Gays : To all Singapore Religious Leaders
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aiya .. you should adopt the da ren bu ji xiao ren guo attitude and say this time I let you off.Originally posted by PRP:Thank you for supporting me.Arguing agaisnt homo is a difficult 'work'!
Debating with these pro-gey ppl, the debate can continue until the cows come home
For geys,when they can't have hetero sex,they go for homosex.Front cannot,from the back.Perhaps pro-gey ppl aslo argue in similar way!
But really,i believe homosexual don't exist,only homosex existt.Do u agree?
Accept 'geys' as persons is one thing but accept homosex is another matter.Can they understand our stand?
Don't argue with them and no point making them understanding your stand.
btw .. getting poked behind shiok or not? I haven't try yet .. -
Sex is heterosexual by nature.Your son love another man.Can u tell him find a woman to love?Is it to say your son doesn't love any woman in this world?Probaly he hasn't tried hard enuf to find one!
A man like a feminine man.A girl likes a Tomboy girl.This is the so called homosexuality. -
Originally posted by PRP:
I dont think its that simple. Or a feminine man would have like a Tomboy already.
Sex is heterosexual by nature.Your son love another man.Can u tell him find a woman to love?Is it to say your son doesn't love any woman in this world?
A man like a [b]feminine man.A girl likes a Tomboy girl.This is the so called homosexuality.[/b] -
Icemoon,
The one who pokes from behind feel shiok.Probably the one who is poked doesn't feel shiok. -
That is heterosexual and OK!Originally posted by Boy Stratus:I dont think its that simple. Or a feminine man would have like a Tomboy already. -
The rectum has natural lubricant meh?Originally posted by PRP:Icemoon,
The one who pokes from behind feel shiok.Probably the one who is poked doesn't feel shiok. -
No,but at least it is more similar to the female sexual organ!Originally posted by Icemoon:The rectum has natural lubricant meh? -
Can buy the toy look-alike from sex shop .. i think more shiok.Originally posted by PRP:No,but at least it is more similar to the female sexual organ! -
do u mean u wouldn't want to answer stragiht to my above question because the answer is unfavourable to your viewpoint?
Can u guarantee tat nobody, for all the time the law exist, no matter wat is the situation will ever be charged in tis law ?
Now u answer, if the law is as useless as u think, why force it to remain ?does non enforcement of 377A lead to others?
Why force the law to exists then ? 377 hasn't been actively enforced till recent times as well. And our laws and constitution r really mocked by people from other countries
In fact, the content of 377A hasn't really been enforced since 1965. Was our law and constitution mocked because of that?Fact is, our government is willing to bear the "mockery" of having a non enforced law. Even if the govt does not love gays, can anyone say the govt is all out to get them, like we are going all out to tekan drug traffickers, sex offenders, murderers etc.?
Sure, the gov is not out to get them. But forcing a law, which is against human basic right, double standard between sexes, a mockery of the legal system and the promote discrimination of a group of people is already cause of concernSo when we are arguing for the repeal, are we doing it for gays or the govt?
Ehh... doing for your religion ?if one day the majority wants 377A to be repealed, does that make them right?
The majority is not always right.then why can't PRP be right all along?
He can be right if he show the necessary logic and evidence. Who says PRP is always wrong ?If you push for that non-enforceable law, what's the message you are driving across?
Bigotry ?Accept 'geys' as persons is one thing but accept homosex is another matter.Can they understand our stand?
Frankly speaking, tat is your stand. Your stand only. I don't think icemoon is stupid enough to come out with a one line statement claiming there is no such things as homosexual. I can show u many examples and study tat prove homosexual exists in tis world. Can u prove to me homosexual does not exists ?For geys,when they can't have hetero sex,they go for homosex.
Sex is heterosexual by nature.Your son love another man.Can u tell him find a woman to love?Is it to say your son doesn't love any woman in this world?Probaly he hasn't tried hard enuf to find one!
There is a gross mistaken concept by PRP. He assume gays r socially inept people in society and cannot find a girl who like them and have to resort to homosexual. The second mistaken concept is tat gays have no taste or preference and will take anybody, no matter how lousy or how socially inept tat person is as a partner.
Truth is, a lot of homosexual r more charming than normal guys and women like them more for their sensitivity. And a lot of lesbians r actually very pretty and a lot of guys will do anything to chase them. But they prefer someone of their own sex.The one who pokes from behind feel shiok.Probably the one who is poked doesn't feel shiok
If they like it, wat has it got to do with u
Even straight people go for anal themselves sometimes. -
I've explained why 377A should be retained even thou it is hard to enforce.Let me explain again for SIS.
1. Majority of MPs and the govt want to retain it.PM said there were good reasons for ppl who oppose repealing the law.
2.Parliament keep the law to show that sexual value it want to keep.Sex is meant to be heterosexual.
3.With this law,pro-gey ppl cannot advocate such lifestlye openly because otherwise it would be telling ppl to commit a crime.
Would SIS accept PM's 'verdict' on this issue? -
Originally posted by PRP:
As I said before,the above arguments are simple & mostly general knowldges.Easy for pro-homo ppl to rebut them.But for ppl who don't accept homo,they think it is reasonable.
I explain again why homo is wrong.It is wrong because:
1.The [b]natural instinct of sex is heterrosexual.Homo goes against nature.
2.The natural purpose of sex is procreation.Homo sex can't achieve the purpose of sex.So it goes against the nature.
3.Higher percentage (than heterosexauals') of local geys are infected with AIDS.
Heterosex in marriage is right & good because:
1.It follows the nature (natural instinct & purpose of sex).
2.It is a happiness (& responsibilty) to have babies and bringing them up
3.One can be taken care by his children when he is old..
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They can refute my arguments but I don't think their rebutals correct.It is too tedious to rebut all their points.Let the internet surfers make their own judgement. -
SIS,
The one who has the last say doesn't mean he wins the debate.It is possible that his oppenent decides not to continue the debate. -
For many thousand of years,most societies held that homo is morally wrong.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Frankly speaking, I don't care wat u think. Tis is because u r not qualified to tell us tat there is no such thing as homosexual when all the psychotrists, doctors, medical researchers and educated people know homosexual exists. U can even ask the pope and he know there r homosexual in the world. But u don't. And u cannot produce any evidence except telling us wat u think. Wat u think is insignificant because it may not (in tis case cannot) be the truth.
The majority of the ppl in most Asian countries don't think homo is acceptable.
A columist of ST,who is a medical doctor,wrote an article and conluded there was no conculsive evidence to show homo is born.
I showed u evidences the so called homo are not really homo.
All the above opinions u don't believe.U only beleive what u want to believe.Are u objective in your arguments? -
First, where do u get your source ? I hope it is not something u think out.
1. Majority of MPs and the govt want to retain it.PM said there were good reasons for ppl who oppose repealing the law.
Majority ? Prove it. And there r also good reasons for people who want the law not to be kept. The reason why gov want the law to be kept is mainly to appease the religious people and keep singapore from being divisive2.Parliament keep the law to show that sexual value it want to keep.Sex is meant to be heterosexual.
As said, it is being pragmatic and just want to be popular. Sex is meant for heterosexual is a point which u think.3.With this law,pro-gey ppl cannot advocate such lifestlye openly because otherwise it would be telling ppl to commit a crime.
If u have problems of gays advocating their lifestyles, u can enforce other laws such as amend 377a to be legal in private but not public or a mass media law preventing people from speaking again religion and homosexual as well. Why 377A ?As I said before,the above arguments are simple & mostly general knowldges.Easy for pro-homo ppl to rebut them.But for ppl who don't accept homo,they think it is reasonable.
Why don't u give a counter argument for the comments If it is easy to rebut your points, it means your points r not concrete.
For anti gay people, they think it is reasonable. For the pro gays, they r not acceptable. So then how ?The one who has the last say doesn't mean he wins the debate.It is possible that his oppenent decides not to continue the debate.
U r the one who continues ba. And I never claim the one with the last say is the winner Then all arguments can be won by persistent idiotsFor many thousand of years,most societies held that homo is morally wrong.
However for thousands of years, homosexual exist. For thousands of years, asian countries r slaves to the king and no asian country is democractic. And the majority of western countries think homo is acceptable.
The majority of the ppl in most Asian countries don't think homo is acceptable.A columist of ST,who is a medical doctor,wrote an article and conluded there was no conculsive evidence to show homo is born.
Then benefit of the doubt should be given since there is no evidence to show homo is not bornI showed u evidences the so called homo are not really homo.
Com'on... u never show a single evidence. U only tell me wat u think. And wat u think can be wrongAll the above opinions u don't believe.U only beleive what u want to believe.Are u objective in your arguments?
R u objective in your argument ? U never answer any person reply and u force people to answer your reply. U r not sincere in your argument and u just want to see things from your side of the fence. -
You believe those people and the ST Forum...Originally posted by PRP:For many thousand of years,most societies held that homo is morally wrong.
The majority of the ppl in most Asian countries don't think homo is acceptable.
A columist of ST,who is a medical doctor,wrote an article and conluded there was no conculsive evidence to show homo is born.
I showed u evidences the so called homo are not really homo.
All the above opinions u don't believe.U only beleive what u want to believe.Are u objective in your arguments?Shows how much importance you place on the standards of your facts.. or veracity for that matter. -
Just freakin close this dumb thread already.
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This is rather late, but heterosexuals can choose to become homosexuals ...Originally posted by dreameryb:To draw this analogy betrays one's profound ignorance on the subject of human sexuality.
While non-gamblers can become gamblers, heterosexuals can never become homosexuals, or vice versa.
People can be influenced into picking up the habit of gambling, hence the rational for discouraging this practice.
There is no way one's sexuality can be altered by influence from people of different sexuality.
This is a fundamental reason why the homosexuality being bad influence argument cannot stand. Anyone who invokes this argument starts to look hopelessly stupid.
I know a friend who was from a certain school in Singapore.
According to her, the student body largely consisted of homosexuals.
All the 'popular' kids were homosexual (this was in an all girls' school).
In order to gain acceptance, she once considered to choose to become homosexual.
(Many of her friends who had once gone to the same primary school and had moved into the same sec school as her had chosen to become homosexual.)
However, eventually, she set her mind that she would not do something like that for acceptance.
I'm very proud of her =). -
All the 'popular' kids were homosexual (this was in an all girls' school).
If they r not really homosexual, they will grow out of it one day. -
The debate is about why heterosexuals can have anal sex and why homosexuals cannot. Maybe you should be asking the govt to reinstate S377 instead of them promoting double standards.Originally posted by PRP:Thank you for supporting me.Arguing agaisnt homo is a difficult 'work'!
Debating with these pro-gey ppl, the debate can continue until the cows come home
For geys,when they can't have hetero sex,they go for homosex.Front cannot,from the back.Perhaps pro-gey ppl aslo argue in similar way!
But really,i believe homosexual don't exist,only homosex existt.Do u agree?
Accept 'geys' as persons is one thing but accept homosex is another matter.Can they understand our stand?
There is no such term as "homosex". I wonder where you got the term from... -
Other forummers have rebutted your points well and all you can come up with is a pathetic "I dont think its correct....let internet surfers make their own judgement" This goes to show that you are stupid!Originally posted by PRP:As I said before,the above arguments are simple & mostly general knowldges.Easy for pro-homo ppl to rebut them.But for ppl who don't accept homo,they think it is reasonable.
They can refute my arguments but I don't think their rebutals correct.It is too tedious to rebut all their points.Let the internet surfers make their own judgement. -
In this case, clearly, you have lost the debate because you are stupid!Originally posted by PRP:SIS,
The one who has the last say doesn't mean he wins the debate.It is possible that his oppenent decides not to continue the debate. -
AND I AGREE! Now can we shut this thread down or not?Originally posted by shade343:In this case, clearly, you have lost the debate because you are stupid! -
That's why I said the gays are just jealous. But no one cares to admit here.Originally posted by shade343:The debate is about why heterosexuals can have anal sex and why homosexuals cannot. Maybe you should be asking the govt to reinstate S377 instead of them promoting double standards.
And who are you people really fighting for? gay rights? or govt's face? -
That's why I said the gays are just jealous. But no one cares to admit here.
Like tat say one ya ? Is fighting for equality simply because of jealousy ? Then in the past women shouldn't fight for equal right with men, or the negroes in america shouldn't fight for equal right with the causacian and they do it because they r just jealous. R all these examples of struggle to achieve equality all r simply due to jealousy ? People strive to achieve equality and no people should be discriminated or unfairly treated because of lame reasons. Nobody should make life harder for another party just because of irrelevant reasons.And who are you people really fighting for? gay rights? or govt's face?
Equality, fairness and removing discrimination. Wat r u fighting for ? -
This is where I have to disagree.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Like tat say one ya ? Is fighting for equality simply because of jealousy ? Then in the past women shouldn't fight for equal right with men, or the negroes in america shouldn't fight for equal right with the causacian and they do it because they r just jealous. R all these examples of struggle to achieve equality all r simply due to jealousy ? People strive to achieve equality and no people should be discriminated or unfairly treated because of lame reasons. Nobody should make life harder for another party just because of irrelevant reasons.
Women had to fight for equal rights because they were truly discriminated. No suffrage till the 20th century, social and cultural discrimination.
But are gays discriminated here? Are they boycotted? Are they beaten up? Are they denied constitutional rights?
Dont make it sound like you guys are so noble trying to fight for gay equality. Are you even a gay yourself?