Gays : To all Singapore Religious Leaders
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You inferred the selfsame conclusion. Don't try to run away from that insinuation.Originally posted by PRP:Did i say all geys have AIDS?
U make a judgement that I'm wrong -- bigotry.Are your stand neutral?U think u are really a lord?
I accept geys as any other human beings.Do u know that?
Do you really accept them? Do you?
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Originally posted by PRP:
I feel sorry for your son...
[b]Pro-gey bigots pls don't read my below opinion.
When your son like another boy,please tell him: Sex is heterosexual.One can like a same sex person but one shouldn't have sexual relationship with a same sex person.You can be a very good & close friiend with him but not having sexual relatinship.You should look for a gilt as sexual partner.U should have sex after marriage.[/b]
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Women had to fight for equal rights because they were truly discriminated. No suffrage till the 20th century, social and cultural discrimination.
They r discriminated because there is an unfair and absurb law banning homosexual from having sex while people of the opposite sex can do the same thing.
But are gays discriminated here? Are they boycotted? Are they beaten up? Are they denied constitutional rights?
And if u say the law does not work, then why force the law to exist ?Dont make it sound like you guys are so noble trying to fight for gay equality. Are you even a gay yourself?
The attitude of straights is even worse. To argue for something which doesn't even concern them.
I don't see why u want to ask tis question. I am not a gay, but I do not like to see people discriminate others and see injustice done. If u see an old granny gonna get cheated, will u do nothing because u do not know her ? R u the type tat like to watch people get robbed on the streets and do nothing ?
They must be thinking all the gays are living in depression because they can't have sex legally. So poor thing, must fight equality for them.Singapore.
And how have u help singapore ? IS singapore gonna sink because 377A is absent ?The issue is not whether sodomy is wrong but whether our society is ready to accept homosexual lifestyle.
Their lifestyle has nothing to do with u when they do it privatelySeriously you think those religious people care about the prohibition in 377A? Will the repeal of 377A see a huge surge in the no. of private sodomy acts?
Then why do u wanna force the law to exist ? U want to make the legal system here as a joke ?Using your logic, then the heterosexuals here must have suffered greatly compared to the citizens in more liberal countries, when 377 was still around.
Then they look into the law and remove 377 isn't it ?But isn't this what the govt is doing .. leaving them alone?
The problem is the religious guysIf these people so powerful, then maybe we won't have IR liao
Com'on la... IR have a diferent impact compared with tis. These religious people have wielded enough power to make the gov form an awkward position in the penal code. Aren't they powerful enough as it is ?And it is not only religious people who are against it. Many older folks find it hard to accept also, and they are not really religious people.
They r not making much noises because frankly wat gays do in private has no impact in their lives.If I'm not wrong,377A is not about sodomy.It is about soliciting for gey sex
U r wrong. It is about sodomy. Please go and read carefully before postingThe govt doesn't want them to get AIDS.So the govt is so good,they still want to complain.That's why the job of the govt is very difficult.The attitude of geys is strange & inmature.
U r talking rubbish here. U think everyone is like small kids and have to have a daddy looking after u and banning u from doing tis and tat. Furthermore, there r gays who r faithful to their partner and there r married people who r promiscuous. Why only target homosexual ?If geys want to reinstate S377,i have no objection.Do geys really want it?
Tis is stupid. Give me a reason why they don't want to.When your son like another boy,please tell him: Sex is heterosexual.One can like a same sex person but one shouldn't have sexual relationship with a same sex person.You can be a very good & close friiend with him but not having sexual relatinship.You should look for a gilt as sexual partner.U should have sex after marriage.
If things r tat simple, then there is no gays in the world. Oh ya hor... u don't believe gays exists. No wonder u make such a silly commentI accept geys as any other human beings.Do u know that?
Let me see, u felt gays r socially inept and cannot find girlfriends and resort to homosexual, u felt homosexual r promiscuous, u think they have bad parents and taught them the wrong thing, u think they r crazy to fu k people asshole. Ok, u don't accept gays as any other human beings. -
The religious figures should never have too much power with regards to the Penal Code.
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Hey, prima Deli opening today. Anyone willing to buy some bread from them? Cakes? TO celebrate the new year?
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Incestual law?Originally posted by chinese helicopter:I am a layman, any wise man here can tell me is there a law in today world which criminalise an act done in private and do not hurt anyone. I thought that only existed in ancient China. -
So you mean if 377 is reinstated, then they won't be discriminated anymore?Originally posted by stupidissmart:They r discriminated because there is an unfair and absurb law banning homosexual from having sex while people of the opposite sex can do the same thing.I don't see why u want to ask tis question. I am not a gay, but I do not like to see people discriminate others and see injustice done. If u see an old granny gonna get cheated, will u do nothing because u do not know her ? R u the type tat like to watch people get robbed on the streets and do nothing ?
If you do not like to see people discriminated, then ask for 377 to be reinstated lor! So technically all of us become discriminated. Fair and square?
What do gays lose? What does the granny lose?Their lifestyle has nothing to do with u when they do it privately
Which is my argument to repeal incestual law also. But why nobody supports me?Then why do u wanna force the law to exist ? U want to make the legal system here as a joke ?
Har? Do I look like I have voting rights in parliament?
If SM, MM, PM think it is not a joke, then it is not a joke lor.Then they look into the law and remove 377 isn't it ?
The reason for removing 377 is not because anyone is discriminated, but that we should keep up with the time. Technically, the population since the penal code came from India has been discriminated. But then nobody seems to pay attention to this point.The problem is the religious guys
Religious guys also leave them alone. Religious guys have more complaints with movies like Golden Compass and Da Vinci Code in fact.Com'on la... IR have a diferent impact compared with tis. These religious people have wielded enough power to make the gov form an awkward position in the penal code. Aren't they powerful enough as it is ?
Other then NMP Thio, which religious MP make the most noise?They r not making much noises because frankly wat gays do in private has no impact in their lives.
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Why don't you give him the benefit of the doubt?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Do you really accept them? Do you?
After all, Christians say it is possible to hate the sin but love the sinner. -
Luckily MM Lee himself is not religious. We can trust him with the penal code.Originally posted by LazerLordz:The religious figures should never have too much power with regards to the Penal Code. -
Why don't you email NMP Thio this question?Originally posted by stupidissmart:And if u say the law does not work, then why force the law to exist ?
As a lawyer, she can give you a lecture on why laws exist. -
So you mean if 377 is reinstated, then they won't be discriminated anymore?
Straight couples can always have sex isn't it ? How can tat be fair ?What do gays lose? What does the granny lose?
The gay lose their human right and the granny lose her money. Wat have u gained ?Which is my argument to repeal incestual law also. But why nobody supports me?
One reason is incest is a choice. The person can always find a girl and he like girl. Homosexual is inborn. He can only like men.Har? Do I look like I have voting rights in parliament?
U r skipping he question. Lets assume u sign the petition. Then u have already taken part in forcing the gov to change it stand. Now answer the question
why do u wanna force the law to exist ? U want to make the legal system here as a joke ?The reason for removing 377 is not because anyone is discriminated, but that we should keep up with the time. Technically, the population since the penal code came from India has been discriminated. But then nobody seems to pay attention to this point.
Why we said it is discriminated because labelling homosexual from having sex as an illegal activity. Why aren't they given the basic right as human to have sex in their own privacy ? We r not talking about past or present but the basic right of human being
And straight couple can always have sexReligious guys also leave them alone. Religious guys have more complaints with movies like Golden Compass and Da Vinci Code in fact
Com'on, everybody knew the religious guys r the ones with the complaints. Look at the thread starter and the anti gay peopleOther then NMP Thio, which religious MP make the most noise?
Religious people r demanding the law to be repeal. If u refuse to acknowledge tis basic fact then I leave it as it is and let the readers judge themselvesDo you expect old people to make noise at their age?
Since they r not making any noise, then only the religious guys making them right ?Why don't you email NMP Thio this question?
Wat is your view ? U can avoid all question and point them all to the gov u know. Then u might as well don't comment.
As a lawyer, she can give you a lecture on why laws exist -
Must agree with LL on this area.Originally posted by LazerLordz:The religious figures should never have too much power with regards to the Penal Code. -
Drug addiction is an offence.Originally posted by chinese helicopter:Here we are talking about law. The law must be be seen to be fair. I am a layman, any wise man here can tell me is there a law in today world which criminalise an act done in private and do not hurt anyone. I thought that only existed in ancient China. -
[b]Pro-gey bigots pls don't read my opinion below .
When your son like another boy,please tell him: Sex is heterosexual.One can like a same sex person but one shouldn't have sexual relationship with a same sex person.You can be a very good & close friiend with him but not having sexual relatinship.You should look for a gilt as sexual partner.U should have sex after marriage.
But accept your son and still love him even if he doesn't heed your advice.Don't say: "U are no more my son if u want to 'marry' that boy." -
It is very kind of you.Happy new year!Originally posted by crosshairs:Hey, prima Deli opening today. Anyone willing to buy some bread from them? Cakes? TO celebrate the new year? -
I find it tedious to rebut all their points,so why can't i ask the readers to make their own judgement?What u said is stupid!Next time don't any how say others stupid!Originally posted by shade343:Other forummers have rebutted your points well and all you can come up with is a pathetic "I dont think its correct....let internet surfers make their own judgement" This goes to show that you are stupid! -
Sorry SIS .. I wrote a reply but dunno why not posted.
Perhaps it is God's will that it is time to desist.
PRP .. did your god give you the same message to desist? -
The common ground
I accept geys as any other persons and i don't wish them to be dicriminated.I think this point is most important to geys & pro-gey ppl.Regarding our difference on whether homosex is right or not,th s can be debated but should debate honestly and sincerely. -
These few days, after i posted the msg and there are problem to return back to the forum.Neverthelss,it does return to the forum after my intervention.Originally posted by Icemoon:Sorry SIS .. I wrote a reply but dunno why not posted.
Perhaps it is God's will that it is time to desist.
PRP .. did your god give you the same message to desist?
Maybe the mod pro-gey but maybe not too! -
Pro-gey bigots pls don't read my opinion below
Tat is childish. U post it here, u post for everyone.Regarding our difference on whether homosex is right or not,th s can be debated but should debate honestly and sincerely.
Tat is right. U r not debating honestly and sincerely. I can give u a few examples. U put a title asking opponents not to read them and then writing all the rubbish u want. Also u do not exhibit honesty and sincerity when u refuse to answer any points raised by the other people. U also quote statements without showing evidence or where u get your source from. U r also guilty of going around in circles hoping the other will forget it. If u want to debate, then follow your own advise and debate honestly and sincerely -
The extremists always take it personally ... can't help it and quite sad... these group normally do not have enuf education and maybe from broken family .. rppOriginally posted by PRP:Even we debate,we still can be frends.Unless some ppl take it personally. -
All of us .. except the extremists have already made our judgement ... please rest in peace ..Originally posted by PRP:I find it tedious to rebut all their points,so why can't i ask the readers to make their own judgement?What u said is stupid!Next time don't any how say others stupid! -
is that the full name of PRP ? Please Rest in Peace ?
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That's true.Originally posted by happieman:The extremists always take it personally ... can't help it and quite sad... these group normally do not have enuf education and maybe from broken family .. rpp
When you are not open to other rational ideas, the first thing to leave the nest is the essence of a rational debate.
Voltaire once said "Je désapprouve ce que vous dites, mais je défendrai jusqu'à la mort votre droit à le dire."
The right to an opinion is paramount, but in today's context, there is a right of rebuttal to an opinion that is discriminating as well. -
I hope you choke on their cake.Originally posted by PRP:It is very kind of you.Happy new year!