Gays : To all Singapore Religious Leaders
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the debates are Too wide raging.Should just focus on one point!
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Many Western counties have legalised homo. Geys are confident that S'pore will follow suit.So some of them are rather arrogant when debating about this topic.
Just because Western countries have legalised homosex,it doesn't mean homosex is right.Similarily,even the majority think homosex is wrong,it doesn't automtically mean the view of the majority is right.So we have debates and see which side is correct. -
Of all the people here, PRP is the least qualified person to talk about debate.
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agree agree .......Originally posted by socrates:Of all the people here, PRP is the least qualified person to talk about debate. -
Huh .. babies die instantly?Originally posted by stupidissmart:Com'on. The dangers of smoking r much lower and less drastic than incest. Incest, babies die instantly. Smoking, they can probably last till as old as u. Eating fatty food is also bad for babies. The magnitude have to be studied
Still, incest doesn't lead to babies. Who told you so?Incest is totally different from homosexual. Incest, we have a good reason (society) why we do it. Tis is amplified by the fast tat they havea choice. For homosexual, we have no reason why we force them not to have sex. Wat is your reason ? Religious reason. And is tat a good reason ? No, because not everybody is in your religion. U don't force your religious belief on others. And tat is why we talk about imposing your view on others.
I said already. The issue is about your rights behind closed door. Why are you still harping on choice and no choice?Hello ? R u in the right thread ? why r u talking about smoking or incest ?
You dunno what is red herring ah? -
Using your logic, then people with AIDS cannnot have sex with either gender!!Originally posted by stupidissmart:Com'on. The dangers of smoking r much lower and less drastic than incest. Incest, babies die instantly. Smoking, they can probably last till as old as u. Eating fatty food is also bad for babies. The magnitude have to be studied
'cos have sex with same gender is murdering the other party or the other party is deemed to be committing suicide.
and have sex with opposite gender the baby also will get AIDS.
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Originally posted by PRP:
Let's change the rules of the game a little.
Just because Western countries have legalised homosex,it doesn't mean homosex is right.Similarily,even the majority think homosex is wrong,it doesn't automtically mean the view of the majority is right.[b]So we have debates and see which side is correct.[/b]
You want to debate the issue with me?
It is just a debate .. I can play the devil advocate, no problem. -
Huh .. babies die instantly?
Com'on... it is common knowledge tat if u have babies with someone very close to u by blood, then u will get severely deformed babies such as having 3 eyes or 2 heads.
Still, incest doesn't lead to babies. Who told you so?I said already. The issue is about your rights behind closed door. Why are you still harping on choice and no choice?
I have told u, the 2 cases r completely different. I have elaborate on the differences between the 2 cases and why they r not the same. U didn't read ?You dunno what is red herring ah?
I just don't know why u r complaining I am talking about gay in a gay thread -
Where got so serious? Don't kid me lah.Originally posted by stupidissmart:Com'on... it is common knowledge tat if u have babies with someone very close to u by blood, then u will get severely deformed babies such as having 3 eyes or 2 heads.
Somemore who said about having babies? I was talking about incest.I have told u, the 2 cases r completely different. I have elaborate on the differences between the 2 cases and why they r not the same. U didn't read ?
They are the same insomuch as they are acts behind closed door without causing 3rd party harm. -
Where got so serious? Don't kid me lah.
The act of incest can have babies. U can say tat they can have surgery or something to prevent from having babies but generally speaking incest have a problem of having defective babies. Unless u wanna come out with absurb law mentioning about these type of surgery
Somemore who said about having babies? I was talking about incest.They are the same insomuch as they are acts behind closed door without causing 3rd party harm
The magnitude and cause r different. Even though they act behind closed door, they r still different issues with different reasonale and different impact. They should not be labeled as the same -
SIS can say what he wants, but LOOK at what is happening in the rest of the world!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest
No doubt there is no widespread acceptance like homosexuality, but if two of the world's most advanced nations DO NOT think it is a crime, maybe SIS should reconsider his arguments?
France
In France, incest is not a crime; incest laws were abolished by Napoleon some 200 years ago. Incestuous relations between a parent and minor child are prohibited and punished by law in France, but not between adults.
Japan
In Japan, the Civil Code of Japan restrict marriages of its members, but incest is not a crime. Incest law was abolished in 1881. They also can have children. Incest however is generally considered as a wrong act. One of most vexed cases was Aizawa v. Japan.[19] -
Pathetic logic.Originally posted by stupidissmart:The act of incest can have babies. U can say tat they can have surgery or something to prevent from having babies but generally speaking incest have a problem of having defective babies. Unless u wanna come out with absurb law mentioning about these type of surgery
Once again, you are implying people with AIDS cannot have sex? -
No doubt there is no widespread acceptance like homosexuality, but if two of the world's most advanced nations DO NOT think it is a crime, maybe SIS should reconsider his arguments?
As said, incest is a choice and homosexual is not a choice. Just because 2 countries allow it doesn't mean it is rightOnce again, you are implying people with AIDS cannot have sex?
I already told u my stand. Person with AIDs should inform their partner they have aids before having sex. If both party agree, then I have nothing to say. Talking about mortality, AIDs patient can last on average of 20 years -
Homosex doesn't harm anybody?
One main arguement of pro-gey ppl is homosex doesn't harm others.Is an action which doesn't harm others shouldn't be illegal?No, there are some acts (such as commit suicide and drug abuse) which don't harm others are illegal.
Many geys are promiscuous.They can spread AIDS thru homosex.So homosex doesn't harm other is not even entirely true.Higher percentage of geys have AIDS.This is a justification to make gey-sex illegal. -
r we going back one full circle
Why don't u start reading back the past replies first ?
Icemoon u can be the devil advocate tis time if u like
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Is homosex a choice?
Whether one want to have sex or not,and what type of sex is a willful action.
Why is there not a single gey in this forum say he is a born gey? -
I've said that homo doesn't harm others can't be the justification that it shouldn't be made illegal,but u repeated the same argument again.Originally posted by stupidissmart:r we going back one full circle
Why don't u start reading back the past replies first ?
Icemoon u can be the devil advocate tis time if u like -
I've said that homo doesn't harm others can't be the justification that it shouldn't be made illegal,but u repeated the same argument again.
If I give a rebuttal, will u reply to it ? I don't think so... u never did -
One main arguement of pro-gey ppl is homosex doesn't harm others.Is an action which doesn't harm others shouldn't be illegal?No, there are some acts (such as commit suicide and drug abuse) which don't harm others are illegal.
If u have read my pevious reply to icemoon, then u will read the following point. Firstly, homosexual do not do harm to others. In tis sense, it is the same as suicide or drugs or incest. However, secondly homosexual is inborn. Tat means they r borned to be gay. It is different from drugs or incest or suicide. It is not a choice but nature willMany geys are promiscuous.They can spread AIDS thru homosex.So homosex doesn't harm other is not even entirely true.Higher percentage of geys have AIDS.This is a justification to make gey-sex illegal.
The large majority of gays r not promisuous. If u want to prevent spreading of AIDs, u should target the people who have AIDs, not gays who r faithful to their partner. If u wanna enact a law, then u should banned all AIDs people not to have sex, not ban homosexual. -
I'm not a gey,so i am not qualified to talk about this tiopic.Are u a born gey?Originally posted by socrates:Of all the people here, PRP is the least qualified person to talk about debate. -
Originally posted by PRP:
The above msg is my reply to SIS.
[b]Homosex doesn't harm anybody?
One main arguement of pro-gey ppl is homosex doesn't harm others.Is an action which doesn't harm others shouldn't be illegal?No, there are some acts (such as commit suicide and drug abuse) which don't harm others are illegal.
Many geys are promiscuous.They can spread AIDS thru homosex.So homosex doesn't harm other is not even entirely true.Higher percentage of geys have AIDS.This is a justification to make gey-sex illegal. [/b] -
The above msg is my reply to SIS.
That is why of all the people here, you are the least qualified person to mention the word "debate" -
Originally posted by PRP:
Can you spell properly? It is an insult to them.
[b]Homosex doesn't harm anybody?
One main arguement of pro-gey ppl is homosex doesn't harm others.Is an action which doesn't harm others shouldn't be illegal?No, there are some acts (such as commit suicide and drug abuse) which don't harm others are illegal.
Many geys are promiscuous.They can spread AIDS thru homosex.So homosex doesn't harm other is not even entirely true.Higher percentage of geys have AIDS.This is a justification to make gey-sex illegal. [/b]
Secondly, what's condom usage then? Pai swee one ah? -
please stop this bias against gays or lesbians. if they've done nothing wrong to you, you don't have to be so outwardly biased and discriminative.
TS, if you are a religious person, it is religious people like u that i detest. do u know what is "keep thy religion to thyself"? why must one who is so religious interfere with the lives of others and wad rights or position do they have to tell others what is right and what is wrong?
this world is not just black and white like what religion teaches.there are gray areas which we need to compromise as well.
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wow wow .. now you are going into whether it is right or wrong?Originally posted by stupidissmart:As said, incest is a choice and homosexual is not a choice. Just because 2 countries allow it doesn't mean it is right
The point is, if the repurcussions are as serious as you say, then why did these two countries not make it illegal?
I push my point further .. do you see legions of deformed babies from these two countries from incest birth? Why?I already told u my stand. Person with AIDs should inform their partner they have aids before having sex. If both party agree, then I have nothing to say. Talking about mortality, AIDs patient can last on average of 20 years
Exactly! So those who wanna go into incest should think twice before doing it! But then, who is to STOP THEM from doing it? The law?