Gays : To all Singapore Religious Leaders

• happieman

  11 Jan 08, 14:08

  Originally posted by Jamie Zawinski:

  research has shown that 70% of all homophobes are actually closet gays

  Gray area - . .. ... ..... .......... .................. .........................................
  
  Gayness - very Straight .... quite straight .... bit gay .......very gay ....Tot Gay
  
  Many "straight" ppl are actually fall within the gray area .. subconsciously .. they don know abt it ...
  
  some researcher call this "Latent Gayness"
  
  Like what PM Lee said - agree or not .. this has been proven ....
• happieman

  11 Jan 08, 14:09

  Originally posted by happieman:

  Gray area - . .. ... ..... .......... .................. .........................................
  
  Gayness - very Straight .... quite straight .... bit gay .......very gay ....Tot Gay
  
  Many "straight" ppl are actually fall within the gray area .. subconsciously .. they don know abt it ...
  
  some researcher call this "Latent Gayness"
  
  Like what PM Lee said - agree or not .. this has been proven ....

  Don't be too reactive about the previous message ... the more you react the more you proved to be in the gray area ..
• Jamie Zawinski

  11 Jan 08, 14:10

  but i do notice that lesbos are on the rise. seems like there're more lesbos than gays
• happieman

  11 Jan 08, 14:12

  Originally posted by Jamie Zawinski:

  but i do notice that lesbos are on the rise. seems like there're more lesbos than gays

  Be yourself
  
  If you think it is right ... be it!
  
  If you think you need to flush the toilet before use, flush it !
• Jamie Zawinski

  11 Jan 08, 14:17

  Originally posted by happieman:

  Be yourself
  
  If you think it is right ... be it!
  
  If you think you need to flush the toilet before use, flush it !

  i think i should be allowed to have 2 wifes, 5 mistresses and 8 girlfriends!
• happieman

  11 Jan 08, 14:21

  Originally posted by Jamie Zawinski:

  i think i should be allowed to have 2 wifes, 5 mistresses and 8 girlfriends!

  you seriously think this is right ?
  
  i am not said u think u want it ...
• Icemoon

  11 Jan 08, 16:03

  Originally posted by stupidissmart:

  Rubbish argument ? Why is it rubbish ? U r equating gays to incest, tat is the real rubbish. I have already mentioned, one big difference is homosexuals not a choice. Incest is a choice because they like members of the opposite sex. If they do not have sex with their relatives, they can have sex with another girl. For homosexual, they can have sex with only male.
  

  What choice or no choice?
  
  I was talking about imposing views on minority lah! Like smoking, it is something that should be discouraged, but not forbidden.
  
  Agree?
• Icemoon

  11 Jan 08, 16:04

  Originally posted by stupidissmart:

  Rubbish argument ? Why is it rubbish ? U r equating gays to incest, tat is the real rubbish. I have already mentioned, one big difference is homosexuals not a choice. Incest is a choice because they like members of the opposite sex. If they do not have sex with their relatives, they can have sex with another girl. For homosexual, they can have sex with only male.
  

  What choice or no choice?
  
  I was talking about imposing views on minority lah! Like smoking, it is something that should be discouraged, but not forbidden.
  
  Agree?
• Icemoon

  11 Jan 08, 16:05

  Originally posted by happieman:

  Why you bother to explain ?
  
  The underlined fact is that they don like gays .. in whatever "reasons" they will try to find to knock your view down !

  Well, if gays can question why 377 removed liao but not 377A, why can't I question why incest law not removed leh?
• happieman

  11 Jan 08, 16:29

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  Well, if gays can question why 377 removed liao but not 377A, why can't I question why incest law not removed leh?

  This point already successfully rebuked... See below
  
  Originally posted by stupidissmart:
  
  Rubbish argument ? Why is it rubbish ? U r equating gays to incest, tat is the real rubbish. I have already mentioned, one big difference is homosexuals not a choice. Incest is a choice because they like members of the opposite sex. If they do not have sex with their relatives, they can have sex with another girl. For homosexual, they can have sex with only male.
  
  
• happieman

  11 Jan 08, 16:33

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  What choice or no choice?
  
  I was talking about imposing views on minority lah! Like smoking, it is something that should be discouraged, but not forbidden.
  
  Agree?

  This point has been successfully been rebuked. See below:
  
  Originally posted by stupidissmart:
  
  Rubbish argument ? Why is it rubbish ? U r equating gays to incest, tat is the real rubbish. I have already mentioned, one big difference is homosexuals not a choice. Incest is a choice because they like members of the opposite sex. If they do not have sex with their relatives, they can have sex with another girl. For homosexual, they can have sex with only male.
  
  Smoking is a choice ... no one born to be smoker !
  
  Homosexual is not a choice ... even PM Lee said ..." Like it or not, .... it has been proven that ..."
  
  Very tired leh .. u keep repeating same thing again and again ..
  
  
• happieman

  11 Jan 08, 16:35

  Originally posted by happieman:

  Gray area - . .. ... ..... .......... .................. .........................................
  
  Gayness - very Straight .... quite straight .... bit gay .......very gay ....Tot Gay
  
  Many "straight" ppl are actually fall within the gray area .. subconsciously .. they don know abt it ...
  
  some researcher call this "Latent Gayness"
  
  Like what PM Lee said - agree or not .. this has been proven ....

• stupidissmart

  11 Jan 08, 16:43

  What choice or no choice?
  
  I was talking about imposing views on minority lah! Like smoking, it is something that should be discouraged, but not forbidden

  Com'on... for gays it is not only about minority. Cults can make their members commit suicide, they did not hurt society and they r minority. But is their act to society desirable ? Is their act a choice ?
  
  There r many factors to consider. Firstly, homosexual does not do harm to others. Secondly, homosexual is inborn and is not a choice. Though society works better if there r no gays, but we have to face tat it is not a choice and accept them
  
  And of course, incest is different from gays. First is, it give defect children. Second incest is a choice. They can like other girls.
• happieman

  11 Jan 08, 16:45

  Originally posted by stupidissmart:

  Com'on... for gays it is not only about minority. Cults can make their members commit suicide, they did not hurt society and they r minority. But is their act to society desirable ? Is their act a choice ?
  
  There r many factors to consider. Firstly, homosexual does not do harm to others. Secondly, homosexual is inborn and is not a choice. Though society works better if there r no gays, but we have to face tat it is not a choice and accept them
  
  And of course, incest is different from gays. First is, it give defect children. Second incest is a choice. They can like other girls.

  Hey stupidissmart .... you not scared the Extremists keep insisting Homosexual is choice ?
  
  hehe .. let's see who is the extremist !!
• Icemoon

  11 Jan 08, 16:50

  Originally posted by happieman:

  Smoking is a choice ... no one born to be smoker !
  
  Homosexual is not a choice ... even PM Lee said ..." Like it or not, .... it has been proven that ..."
  
  Very tired leh .. u keep repeating same thing again and again ..
  
  

  Exactly! Because smoking is a choice, and presumably if you smoke in your own room, it should not be forbidden right?
  
  Why should the law infringe my choice to do certain harmless action?
• happieman

  11 Jan 08, 16:52

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  Exactly! Because smoking is a choice, and presumably if you smoke in your own room, it should not be forbidden right?
  
  Why should the law infringe my choice to do certain harmless action?

  haha .... well done... good
• happieman

  11 Jan 08, 16:54

  Originally posted by happieman:
  quote:
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  Originally posted by stupidissmart:
  
  Com'on... for gays it is not only about minority. Cults can make their members commit suicide, they did not hurt society and they r minority. But is their act to society desirable ? Is their act a choice ?
  
  There r many factors to consider. Firstly, homosexual does not do harm to others. Secondly, homosexual is inborn and is not a choice. Though society works better if there r no gays, but we have to face tat it is not a choice and accept them
  
  And of course, incest is different from gays. First is, it give defect children. Second incest is a choice. They can like other girls.
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  Hey stupidissmart .... you not scared the Extremists keep insisting Homosexual is choice ?
  
  hehe .. let's see who is the extremist !! !![/b]

• stupidissmart

  11 Jan 08, 16:56

  Exactly! Because smoking is a choice, and presumably if you smoke in your own room, it should not be forbidden right?
  
  Why should the law infringe my choice to do certain harmless action?

  Is smoking illegal ? It is not isn't it U can smoke in your room right ? But homosexual is illegal isn't it ? They cannot have sex anywhere.
  
  Furthermore, choice in tis sense means human will. Non-choice means inborn. It is like left handers.
• Icemoon

  11 Jan 08, 17:01

  Originally posted by stupidissmart:

  Com'on... for gays it is not only about minority. Cults can make their members commit suicide, they did not hurt society and they r minority. But is their act to society desirable ? Is their act a choice ?
  
  There r many factors to consider. Firstly, homosexual does not do harm to others. Secondly, homosexual is inborn and is not a choice. Though society works better if there r no gays, but we have to face tat it is not a choice and accept them
  
  And of course, incest is different from gays. First is, it give defect children. Second incest is a choice. They can like other girls.

  Desirability is subjective. For example, homosexuality is surely not desirable 'cos it leads to population loss.
  
  And smoking is undesirable too. Smoking mums have higher chances of giving birth to babies with defect. So how?
  
  Lastly, it was never about choice! The argument should be about not imposing your views on other people. Let's say if it is proven one day by science (maybe APA makes a statement) that homosexuality IS a choice, then what? Reinstate 377A? Are you sure you want this to happen?
• Icemoon

  11 Jan 08, 17:02

  Originally posted by stupidissmart:

  Is smoking illegal ? It is not isn't it U can smoke in your room right ? But homosexual is illegal isn't it ? They cannot have sex anywhere.
  
  Furthermore, choice in tis sense means human will. Non-choice means inborn. It is like left handers.

  I'm talking about incest, hello .. why do you keep harping about gays?
• Icemoon

  11 Jan 08, 17:04

  This is weird. You people defend the incest law using a characteristic of homosexuality.
• happieman

  11 Jan 08, 17:10

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  I'm talking about incest, hello .. why do you keep harping about gays?

  This thread is about Gay .. you cannot blame him ..
  
  you should use other threat .. please
• happieman

  11 Jan 08, 17:12

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  This is weird. You people defend the incest law using a characteristic of homosexuality.

  Again.... please use other threat or create a new thread for incest ...
  
  this thread is about Gay .. you can see the title ..
  
  please
• Icemoon

  11 Jan 08, 17:17

  Originally posted by happieman:

  Again.... please use other threat or create a new thread for incest ...
  
  this thread is about Gay .. you can see the title ..
  
  please

  you dunno what is throw red herring ah?
• stupidissmart

  11 Jan 08, 17:30

  Desirability is subjective. For example, homosexuality is surely not desirable 'cos it leads to population loss.

  I agree with u. I put it down before isn't it But they have no choice in tis. They r born with it. So we have to accept them
  
  

  And smoking is undesirable too. Smoking mums have higher chances of giving birth to babies with defect. So how?

  Com'on. The dangers of smoking r much lower and less drastic than incest. Incest, babies die instantly. Smoking, they can probably last till as old as u. Eating fatty food is also bad for babies. The magnitude have to be studied
  
  

  Lastly, it was never about choice! The argument should be about not imposing your views on other people. Let's say if it is proven one day by science (maybe APA makes a statement) that homosexuality IS a choice, then what? Reinstate 377A? Are you sure you want this to happen?

  Incest is totally different from homosexual. Incest, we have a good reason (society) why we do it. Tis is amplified by the fast tat they havea choice. For homosexual, we have no reason why we force them not to have sex. Wat is your reason ? Religious reason. And is tat a good reason ? No, because not everybody is in your religion. U don't force your religious belief on others. And tat is why we talk about imposing your view on others.
  
  

  I'm talking about incest, hello .. why do you keep harping about gays?

  Hello ? R u in the right thread ? why r u talking about smoking or incest ?