No Singaporean will go Hungry
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If you are not a doctor and you have never been diagnose with cancer and have never taken care of a cancer patient. will you be in position to comment how a cancer patient feeling and the degree of pain they are going through?Originally posted by CX:What rubbish! So by that logic, if u're not a minister or an MP then u cannot comment on new laws and govt policies lah?
And I'm not a doctor nor a nurse, so I also cannot tell someone who's sneezing and coughing away that he looks ill and he ought to seek medical attention?
We may not be social workers, but we have 2 eyes and a heart. It is normal to have a sense of concern for the less fortunate.
As concerned citizens, it is the right and the responsibility of everyone to voice out their concerns and discuss about them.
You can comment on the law and you can speculate about their intention etc, but you are in no position to represent the Singapore community based on your personal experience, interest and agenda. -
I'm not suggesting that u prescribe snake oil and burnt joss paper to the patient. Only that he looks sick and concerned individuals should advise him to seek medical attention.Originally posted by Gazelle:If you are not a doctor and you have never been diagnose with cancer and have never taken care of a cancer patient. will you be in position to comment how a cancer patient feeling and the degree of pain they are going through?
You can comment on the law and you can speculate about their intention etc, but you are in no position to represent the Singapore community based on your personal experience, interest and agenda.
And is anybody here claiming to "represent the Singapore community"?
You are simply imposing an absurd gag-order on everyone: that if u dunno EVERYTHING about something, don't say ANYTHING.
That's not right. We are merely concerned individuals here making a point about what we see, what we've experienced and what we feel. Its called an opinion and a perspective.
Nobody mortal can claim to represent universal truth, and we can all disagree with each other, but we must also preserve the collective rights of each other to discuss and debate various points of view.
If a person is talking turd, the errorneous view should be corrected by someone who knows better. But u cannot tell anyone that they have no right to make their views known. -
If you have never been involve in helping the poor, please shut the fcuk up and stop making up stories about them.Originally posted by CX:I'm not suggesting that u prescribe snake oil and burnt joss paper to the patient. Only that he looks sick and concerned individuals should advise him to seek medical attention.
And is anybody here claiming to "represent the Singapore community"?
You are simply imposing an absurd gag-order on everyone: that if u dunno EVERYTHING about something, don't say ANYTHING.
That's not right. We are merely concerned individuals here making a point about what we see, what we've experienced and what we feel. Its called an opinion and a perspective.
Nobody mortal can claim to represent universal truth, and we can all disagree with each other, but we must also preserve the collective rights of each other to discuss and debate various points of view.
If a person is talking turd, the errorneous view should be corrected by someone who knows better. But u cannot tell anyone that they have no right to make their views known. -
If your friend has been diagnosed with cancer , they tell you constantly that they are in pain. However in your logic , if you are not the doctor/you were never diagnosed with cancer /and you are certainly not taking care of them since their family does, you are still not in a position to do anything in their best interest at all even if you know something is not right?Originally posted by Gazelle:If you are not a doctor and you have never been diagnose with cancer and have never taken care of a cancer patient. will you be in position to comment how a cancer patient feeling and the degree of pain they are going through?
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CX one thing you should know about Gazelle . Only his opinion and whoever supports some of his feeble minded views matters in sgforums in his eyes. Yours don't if you start asking him questions he cannot answer.Originally posted by CX:I'm not suggesting that u prescribe snake oil and burnt joss paper to the patient. Only that he looks sick and concerned individuals should advise him to seek medical attention.
And is anybody here claiming to "represent the Singapore community"?
You are simply imposing an absurd gag-order on everyone: that if u dunno EVERYTHING about something, don't say ANYTHING.
That's not right. We are merely concerned individuals here making a point about what we see, what we've experienced and what we feel. Its called an opinion and a perspective.
Nobody mortal can claim to represent universal truth, and we can all disagree with each other, but we must also preserve the collective rights of each other to discuss and debate various points of view.
If a person is talking turd, the errorneous view should be corrected by someone who knows better. But u cannot tell anyone that they have no right to make their views known. -
1) Have you been involved in social work to help the poor in Singapore?Originally posted by fymk:If your friend has been diagnosed with cancer , they tell you constantly that they are in pain. However in your logic , if you are not the doctor/you were never diagnosed with cancer /and you are certainly not taking care of them since their family does, you are still not in a position to do anything in their best interest at all even if you know something is not right?
What a load of garbage.
2) Do you have a friend who is collecting cardboard and aluminium cans in Singapore
3) Have you been collecting cardboard before?
If you have never been involved personally doing any of the above, please shut up.
typical arm chair critic trying to be robinhood. -
Suddenly, u sound a lot like Andrew... Jumping to conclusions, making judgmental comments about others, only caring about what YOU have to say.Originally posted by Gazelle:If you have never been involve in helping the poor, please shut the fcuk up and stop making up stories about them.
u don't know crap about me and I don't need to prove anything to u.
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Mind telling us what have you done to help the poor?Originally posted by CX:Suddenly, u sound a lot like Andrew... Jumping to conclusions, making judgmental comments about others, only caring about what YOU have to say.
u don't know crap about me and I don't need to prove anything to u.
I do however, find your views callous, uncaring and insensitive. -
LOL to question 1. I see no need to justify anything to you.Originally posted by Gazelle:1) Have you been involved in social work to help the poor in Singapore?
2) Do you have a friend who is collecting cardboard and aluminium cans in Singapore
3) Have you been collecting cardboard before?
If you have never been involved personally doing any of the above, please shut up.
typical arm chair critic trying to be robinhood.
What gives you the right to talk? You are just a snob who thinks lowly of your fellow Singaporeans in need and trumpets your so call achievements to run others down.
So why don't you do yourself a favor and take your own advice. -
you have answer none of my question...whats new...arm chair criticOriginally posted by fymk:LOL to question 1. I see no need to justify anything to you.
What gives you the right to talk? You are just a snob who thinks lowly of your fellow Singaporeans in need and trumpets your so call achievements to run others down.
So why don't you do yourself a favor and take your own advice. -
Mind telling us what you yourself have done? Besides throwing a few cents into the donation can of a volunteer?Originally posted by Gazelle:Mind telling us what have you done to help the poor? -
fymk, I cant remember you telling us about anything.
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And you , none of mine, so wassup ....arm chair snob?Originally posted by Gazelle:you have answer none of my question...whats new...arm chair critic -
Have you done anything besides donate money ?Originally posted by Gazelle:fymk, I cant remember you telling us about anything.
http://sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=263474
I don't see a need to brag about doing charity work. Charity work is an altruistic act - not some act that you can bring into the forums to declare how great you are. -
If you talk the talk, you better walk the walk. If you dont walk the walk, just keep quiet and stop pretending like robinhood.Originally posted by fymk:Have you done anything besides donate money ?
I don't see a need to brag about doing charity work. Charity work is an altruistic act - not some act that you can bring into the forums to declare how great you are. -
If you want to talk the talk, you better walk the walk and not trip. If you trip, sometimes you fall facedown smack on the ground.Originally posted by Gazelle:If you talk the talk, you better walk the walk. If you dont walk the walk, just keep quite and stop pretending like robinhood. -
Totally agree man... What the heck has he been smoking?Originally posted by fymk:Have you done anything besides donate money ?
I don't see a need to brag about doing charity work. Charity work is an altruistic act - not some act that you can bring into the forums to declare how great you are. -
please dont pretend to miss my question.Originally posted by CX:Totally agree man... What the heck has he been smoking?
what have you done to help the poor? -
Speak for yourself first.Originally posted by Gazelle:please dont pretend to miss my question.
what have you done to help the poor? -
Can I see you in a nurse uniform first?Originally posted by fymk:Speak for yourself first.
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Are you as saintly as Mother Theresa first?Originally posted by Gazelle:Can I see you in a nurse uniform first? -
I do what I can and I don't owe u or any other arrogant, self righteous jerk-off here any explanation or justification.Originally posted by Gazelle:please dont pretend to miss my question.
what have you done to help the poor? -
Originally posted by genie99:
what i meant was the majority would not agree with you if you should blame PAP for the small % of the population.
And why would the majority not agree? Cause it does not benefit them maybe?
I would like to believe that we would perhaps give the poor [b]Priority? Or is it true that we have no dignity...... or self respect? Meybe its time to rob our parents of $ hmm?
We have lots to learn from foreign societies
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you probably know that in countries with minimum wage and welfare etc, there are also people who die of cold during winter every year because they could not afford the heating costs etc. at least our poor are endowed with nature's kindness to them.
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"No Singaporean will go hungry" is nothing but a political punchline.
There will always be those who become destitutes. No matter which country. And these destitutes should not be seized upon to critize the government. They are not proof that the government is incompetent.
To live, anywhere in this world, some self discipline is required. Once this self discipline is lacking, it will be downhill for that individual. No matter what economic or political system a country is run on, the individual must exercise some responsibility for his own well being. This is a brutal truth.
Therefore the old lady collecting cardboards, or cans, is not the fault of the government, if she chooses to continue doing what she can do rather than reach out for a handout.
And that man, with brackish and tattered clothes, and long unkempt mattered hair, with a bag of his possessions, has lost his will to live. Could be a love lost, or personal tragedy. Still that is his choice.
But for those willing to receive help, there is help. And more help. That is what Dr. Balakrishna is saying.
But the availability for this help, many a times escape those in the "sandwich" class. There are people there who are also genuinely in need. But help is not for them. Because they own their fully paid up four-room flat.
But then again this has to be pitted against the guy who drives a Mercedes, and want the government to pay his utilities bill for him, because he can't afford to. He, his wife and children can't sleep without aircon.
Therefore there should be a more equitable means test, for government assistance, rather than the "you must be really down and out" to qualify for a paltry assistance. -
"more equitable means test" = reading people's minds.Originally posted by mancha:Therefore there should be a more equitable means test, for government assistance, rather than the "you must be really down and out" to qualify for a paltry assistance.
how do you read people's mind?