No Singaporean will go Hungry
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Originally posted by HyperFocal:Maybe, the next thing we know, we'd be reading about them being charged for Tax Evasion....
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they wont dare because they contribute CPF. -
i know of another Malays family who lived in Jurong with 4 children. Both worked as real estate agents and now live in a landed terrace (99 years) in the east. -
the story tells of a reversal of trends. In the 1930s, most of the immigrants were europeans. In the 21st century, asians (20% of canadian population). Immigrants in Australia is >20% population and most of them are asians.
http://new,s.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7128172.stm
if current trend continues, half the population at both countries are asians. -
I meant, whether middle working class owning 2 properties, whether norm or mainstream. Whether is it common for middle income earners to own 2 or more residential units, or is it the exception? Did you have any idea what was the combined income of that family you mention/cited as an example? Non extravagant lifestyle doesnt mean the income is low really.Originally posted by Daddy!!:they are mainstream working class, CPF contributors, malay family.
Which brings be back to my previous post.
Although for a family of 2 kids(aged 10 or less) with household income of about 4k, servicing 2 housing residential properties. I would find it a struggle tho.
Combined household income of 4k is middle working class. Combined income of 8k also middle working class. Actually a huge difference for one family. -
Good for them... So... What about the pple sleeping in the parks, under the void decks and generally, on the streets?Originally posted by Daddy!!:i know of another Malays family who lived in Jurong with 4 children. Both worked as real estate agents and now live in a landed terrace (99 years) in the east.
You gonna tell them to get a room?
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ask their children whyOriginally posted by CX:Good for them... So... What about the pple sleeping in the parks, under the void decks and generally, on the streets?
You gonna tell them to get a room? -
In a way it is true that FTs are helping Singapore (citizens, I am not sure though). There are good reasons why FTs are allowed here, Singapore lacks certain expertise and we need them to contribute, to impart what they have to offer. But you may not be aware that there are jobs that Singaporeans are capable of doing but FTs or FWs are doing the jobs. Just got to know a company in Singapore hires a foreigner from India or Bangladesh to work as domestic helper/cleaner in the office. A local firm hires China Chinese to work as engineers, account assistant and clerk.Originally posted by Daddy!!:the FTs are actually helping the citizens. You dont have the wisdom to see it. -
All electricity is off except the switch to the fridge. They have on their part do adjustment on the meter. How could meter reading be almost the same when the family was out for two weeks. I don't believe the meter reading stuff. I am not the only one facing this, heard many people complain about it before.Originally posted by eagle:Assuming that your two weeks fall into the same monthly bill...
Did you check your meter during that period? If there's a discrepancy, you can always bring the case to Singapore Power, which if you feel that it is unnecessary to do so, you will just have to pay the bill. Surely no matter what business it is, the consumer will too have to make sure that he/she pays the correct bill.
Furthermore, are you sure every single electrical appliance was off at home before you go out?
Lastly, although the bill may be higher, was the meter usage higher? If not, then the claim about meter calculations should be removed because it is false. The only reason which i think the bill may be higher is because of
1) SP raised the price during that period
2) There was certain subsidies during some months, and some months without. Which means your higher charges may come from the month without that subsidy -
Sounds like your main motive here is to stir up trouble and find fault with people. Mind your words and attitude.Originally posted by Daddy!!:somebody does not know how to read electricity bills and try to talk big in the forum. -
I've already explored it for u in my previous post.Originally posted by Daddy!!:ask their children why
It could be cos they don't have children. It could be cos they made bad decisions that led to them not having anyone to take care of them and them not having the resources to take care of themselves.
I can't say and I certainly can't judge.
My point is, shouldn't they be given some help for no better reason then that its a terrible way to spend one's twilight years sleeping on the streets.
They are singaporeans too and if they need some help, they should at least get some help.
I may not agree with the decisions they made that caused them to be in that position, but I still would not say "orh-bi-good, u deserve it".
I agree largely with your point that there are many who have pulled themselves up by their own boot-strap. But it is cruel and just plain not funny to tell that to someone who has no shoes on. -
I read in the paper some low income families earning between $600 to $800 have to moved to JB, Malaysia to save money.Originally posted by CX:Good for them... So... What about the pple sleeping in the parks, under the void decks and generally, on the streets?
You gonna tell them to get a room? -
Problem is some of us don't want to ASK for help cos malu. Like alot of old people rather work ganang guni also dowan open mouth and beg. I think that the govt should realise this and just "automatic" bring the benefits to them lor .... what helpline? As if alot of the old folks keep themselves up to date with helpline numbers? Most dont even noe pizza hut numberOriginally posted by Gazelle:there is a helpline, if you think they talk c0ck, you can always give them a call.
Some dont even noe how to go about their CPF lol -
In Singapore you must be a really terok case, then only you will receive welfare.
So if you own a HDB flat, with wife and kids, and you are penniless, no welfare for you, You got a house, what! That is the reasoning.
You have to be totally 'down and out' to receive a paltry handout form the government.
Your mobile phone better not ring, when you are pouring out your sob story to the minister. -
Terok yes like the Mr. Tan who jumped the MRT. If you ever find out more Mr. Tan actually had applied for assistance but his request was rejected because of some other factors - may be his having a hand phone or income exceeding the help limit by a few dollars.Originally posted by mancha:In Singapore you must be a really terok case, then only you will receive welfare.
So if you own a HDB flat, with wife and kids, and you are penniless, no welfare for you, You got a house, what! That is the reasoning.
You have to be totally 'down and out' to receive a paltry handout form the government.
Your mobile phone better not ring, when you are pouring out your sob story to the minister.
Therefore as long as they can give an impression of helping like the terok cases they can jolly well wash their hands of the many cases of financial crisis leading to suicides, divorces or domestic squabbles and they will be able to carry on like what they have been doing over the past 40 years of over-taxing people and profiteering to serve their own interest and claim success.
Just imagine we pay the ministers millions of salaries and they do not even have to work for success as they could just keep increasing taxes and charges to claim success. -
no.1 super poor people is a very small % of the population.Originally posted by CX:I've already explored it for u in my previous post.
It could be cos they don't have children. It could be cos they made bad decisions that led to them not having anyone to take care of them and them not having the resources to take care of themselves.
I can't say and I certainly can't judge.
My point is, shouldn't they be given some help for no better reason then that its a terrible way to spend one's twilight years sleeping on the streets.
They are singaporeans too and if they need some help, they should at least get some help.
I may not agree with the decisions they made that caused them to be in that position, but I still would not say "orh-bi-good, u deserve it".
I agree largely with your point that there are many who have pulled themselves up by their own boot-strap. But it is cruel and just plain not funny to tell that to someone who has no shoes on.
no. 2 super poor people exist as a minority in the G8 also. democracy in G8 did not save these super poor people. in fact, you find even more of these people in USA.
no. 3 you can expect dr chee to be one of them, those who refuse help adamantly.
if you think you have seen the poorest people of the world in singapore, please open your eyes wider.
if your politics is to take care of this very small % of the population and hammer the PAP for it, i am sorry the majority does not agree. -
And why would the majority not agree? Cause it does not benefit them maybe?Originally posted by Daddy!!:if your politics is to take care of this very small % of the population and hammer the PAP for it, i am sorry the majority does not agree.
I would like to believe that we would perhaps give the poor Priority? Or is it true that we have no dignity...... or self respect? Meybe its time to rob our parents of $ hmm?
We have lots to learn from foreign societies -
1) You mean you need help?Originally posted by genie99:Problem is some of us don't want to ASK for help cos malu. Like alot of old people rather work ganang guni also dowan open mouth and beg. I think that the govt should realise this and just "automatic" bring the benefits to them lor .... what helpline? As if alot of the old folks keep themselves up to date with helpline numbers? Most dont even noe pizza hut number Some dont even noe how to go about their CPF lol
2) You are not one of them, so please dont talk like you are one.
3) If you claim to know so much about them, then why arent you helping them in the first place. Is it because you are only good to be a computer hero? -
Originally posted by genie99:
yes, learn not to repeat the same mistake.
And why would the majority not agree? Cause it does not benefit them maybe?
I would like to believe that we would perhaps give the poor [b]Priority? Or is it true that we have no dignity...... or self respect? Meybe its time to rob our parents of $ hmm?
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The problem is preventing more people from becoming down and out.
1) Perhaps a minimum wage law. Maybe a monthly rate for full time, an hourly rate for Part-timers. Need not be very high, like in Aussie for example, where its 500 plus a week. A calculated amount so that whoever works a secured a lively-hood.
Enough to pay for roof (rental or otherwise) and enuff to settle 3 meals a day, basic clothing, bus fare, clean water and other basic amenities. Maybe around 1.2k? just a very rough estimate. I don't see it raising business cost very much. Employers and business owners are not even paying their employees enough to afford the above amenities will feel the most impact tho, and employers in this category deserve that impact.
2) Welfare only for those who cannot work, unfit for work (medicaly etc..) -
1) Don't need help. So no right to talk?Originally posted by Gazelle:1) You mean you need help?
2) You are not one of them, so please dont talk like you are one.
3) If you claim to know so much about them, then why arent you helping them in the first place. Is it because you are only good to be a computer hero?
2) Doesn't mean i'm not one of them i should not voice concerns over it. If i am Singaporean i should have a right to voice my opinion about their general welfare.
3) Wouldn't changing the system so they automatically get the benefits help them? I don't have the power to do that. Not a computer hero.... and there's no pt in that anyway if nobody knows who i really am. -
The biggest beneficiary to (1) will not be Singaporeans but the foreign workers in SingaporeOriginally posted by Jontst78:The problem is preventing more people from becoming down and out.
1) Perhaps a minimum wage law. Maybe a monthly rate for full time, an hourly rate for Part-timers. Need not be very high, like in Aussie for example, where its 500 plus a week. A calculated amount so that whoever works a secured a lively-hood.
Enough to pay for roof (rental or otherwise) and enuff to settle 3 meals a day, basic clothing, bus fare, clean water and other basic amenities. Maybe around 1.2k? just a very rough estimate. I don't see it raising business cost very much. Employers and business owners are not even paying their employees enough to afford the above amenities will feel the most impact tho, and employers in this category deserve that impact.
2) Welfare only for those who cannot work, unfit for work (medicaly etc..) -
If you are not a social workers who have personal experience in dealing with the needy, please refrain from representing their views and needs.Originally posted by genie99:1) Don't need help. So no right to talk?
2) Doesn't mean i'm not one of them i should not voice concerns over it. If i am Singaporean i should have a right to voice my opinion about their general welfare.
3) Wouldn't changing the system so they automatically get the benefits help them? I don't have the power to do that. Not a computer hero.... and there's no pt in that anyway if nobody knows who i really am. -
Well, if an employee is taking minimum wage... then its safe to assume, low skilled worker right? Perhaps then, a heavier levy can be induced for hiring of low skilled foreign workers. Maybe concessions for Construction sector, depending on the sector performance at the time.Originally posted by Gazelle:The biggest beneficiary to (1) will not be Singaporeans but the foreign workers in Singapore -
Originally posted by Gazelle:If you are not a social workers who have personal experience in dealing with the needy, please refrain from representing their views and needs.
but it makes sense right? I really feel we should be more proactive in Singapores affairs be it ill-informed ( in this case myself ... coffee chats with them is all the exp i had). It is my opinion that "doesn't affect me dun kaypoh" syndrome should not be adopted. I also suspect that's why some of our youth dun bother to vote..... don't affect me yet mah aiya bo chap lo 
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What rubbish! So by that logic, if u're not a minister or an MP then u cannot comment on new laws and govt policies lah?Originally posted by Gazelle:If you are not a social workers who have personal experience in dealing with the needy, please refrain from representing their views and needs.
And I'm not a doctor nor a nurse, so I also cannot tell someone who's sneezing and coughing away that he looks ill and he ought to seek medical attention?
We may not be social workers, but we have 2 eyes and a heart. It is normal to have a sense of concern for the less fortunate.
As concerned citizens, it is the right and the responsibility of everyone to voice out their concerns and discuss about them.