Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:I do understand that drugs would require regulation if legalised. However, to prevent crimes involving drug use such as driving while under the influence, laws enforcing a minimum age to purchase drugs as with alcohol and tobacco, making it illegal for supplying minors with drugs and imposing extremely harsh penalties for harming others while under the influence which would apply to driving under the influence whether or not anyone is actually harmed.
Even though another form of crime will increase, those crimes are actually unlawful and should be punished as opposed to the previous injustice of having many harmless and responsible drug users prosecuted.
Despite what many may think, obtaining drugs even in Singapore is extremely easy, by no means do you have to be desperate. You wouldn't even have to associate with drug lords, just small-time dealers at the very bottom of the chain, you can even get some from people you don't know by just asking around in clubs.
The reduction of demand could be done through the introduction of warning labels on legally sold drugs much like with cigarettes and the harder drugs such as heroin could be controlled by requiring doctor's permission for its medical use. I don't see why we need to reduce the demand of lighter drugs such as marijuana as it isn't as dangerous as those legal drugs sold openly such as alcohol and tobacco.
Yes, but from a legal standpoint, or in the case of any concern parents.
If we didnt legalised it then, and it now serve a minor infrigement into our lifestyle, why introduce it now and we have a whole new rules to erect and monitor?
And Singapore is popular because of the anti drug stand. Plenty of asian folks rather send their children to Singapore then their own country. If Singapore legalised even a minor drug, the social problem that grew out of it eventually. Who is to clean up?
You also have to consider that you are considering the drugs because you are a adult and clear thinking.
What about the younger ones who will experience pressure to be involve in a lifestyle they cannot control or be responsible for?
Look at underage smoking, drinking......isnt those enough?
Even alcohol and ciggies is not cheap.
Originally posted by viciouskitty74:
Yes, but from a legal standpoint, or in the case of any concern parents.If we didnt legalised it then, and it now serve a minor infrigement into our lifestyle, why introduce it now and we have a whole new rules to erect and monitor?
And Singapore is popular because of the anti drug stand. Plenty of asian folks rather send their children to Singapore then their own country. If Singapore legalised even a minor drug, the social problem that grew out of it eventually. Who is to clean up?
You also have to consider that you are considering the drugs because you are a adult and clear thinking.
What about the younger ones who will experience pressure to be involve in a lifestyle they cannot control or be responsible for?
Look at underage smoking, drinking......isnt those enough?
Even alcohol and ciggies is not cheap.
No, it's a minor infringement upon your lifestyle. Think not only of yourself but the nation as a whole. Singapore is popular because of its strong economy and safety, which will not change as crime stems from poverty.
Legalising a drug will have minimal social consequences, in fact, it will have social benefits which I have mentioned in my previous posts.
There is currently already an undersirable level of recreational drug use among teens, the problem being that drugs are considered anti-establishment and our rebellious youth will be drawn to it. As with the case of the Netherlands, lighter drugs are normalised instead of dramatised and you'll find that it works very well when preventing underage consumption of such substances, not to mention the age restrictions which would be enforced were drugs made legal. But of course, as with underage smoking and drinking they will find a way to obtain it but it certainly won't be any more of a problem than it is already.
I am considering the drugs not because I'm a clear thinking adult, I'm not even legally an adult yet, but because I'm a product of an appropriate attitude to drugs which the Australian educational system has taught me. In health class we are not given a blanket statement that drugs are bad and we should stay away from them, we are simply given the facts about them and are free to draw our own conclusions. That is the attitude towards many other aspects including underage sex, drinking and smoking. We are never told anything is 'bad' but are given the information to make our own decisions just as long as we are fully aware of the risks and consequences
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I don't get it, would i be wrong to take it that you believe by legalising social drugs we would actually have a reduced level of abuse or consumption?
If you are not living in Singapore, where do you draw the conclusion that there is an undesirable level of recreational drug use among teens? No one i know know anyone else who uses it.
I can't see the logic of legalising weaker social drugs (Marijuana) and have hopes that the people would use it responsibly. Responsibility is taught to you by your parents, and i see you have very good ones to understand this but it is unreasonable to draw the conclusion that automatically people would be more responsible with widespread usage.
I have functioned fine in my life without getting high, i don't even touch alcohol. What then would the potential benefits of allowing Marijuana?
Originally posted by Stevenson101:I don't get it, would i be wrong to take it that you believe by legalising social drugs we would actually have a reduced level of abuse or consumption?
If you are not living in Singapore, where do you draw the conclusion that there is an undesirable level of recreational drug use among teens? No one i know know anyone else who uses it.
I can't see the logic of legalising weaker social drugs (Marijuana) and have hopes that the people would use it responsibly. Responsibility is taught to you by your parents, and i see you have very good ones to understand this but it is unreasonable to draw the conclusion that automatically people would be more responsible with widespread usage.
I have functioned fine in my life without getting high, i don't even touch alcohol. What then would the potential benefits of allowing Marijuana?
I've already pointed out multiple benefits of legalisation, six in total if I remember correctly.
Responsibility with social drugs has already been learned by regular society, alcohol is considered a social drug and the attitudes regarding would then apply to marijuana. I have been living in Singapore a long time and will continue to until I finish school and I've definitely been here long enough to have experienced the amount of recreational drug use although it isn't as common among teens as other countries, recreational drug use is more widespread amongst the young adult demographic especially those who go clubbing.
Statistically, the United States has had increasing levels of drug use despite adopting tougher drug laws and the Netherlands has not experienced rising levels despite more lenient laws and the legalisation of marijuana; the Netherlands now reap the benefits of decriminalisation which I have mentioned earlier.
Mere possession of fire arms used to be
Mere possession of fire arms used to be a
Mere possession of fire arms used to be a capital offence in Singapore, but is not so now. But in Malaysia it is still a capital offence to possess illegal fire arms in some states. Whereas in the United States of America, it is a right to bear arms.
If the law of the land says so, then it is so.
You defraud the state of millions of dollars in Singapore you get a jail sentence, in China you get executed.
Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:I've already pointed out multiple benefits of legalisation, six in total if I remember correctly.
Responsibility with social drugs has already been learned by regular society, alcohol is considered a social drug and the attitudes regarding would then apply to marijuana. I have been living in Singapore a long time and will continue to until I finish school and I've definitely been here long enough to have experienced the amount of recreational drug use although it isn't as common among teens as other countries, recreational drug use is more widespread amongst the young adult demographic especially those who go clubbing.
Statistically, the United States has had increasing levels of drug use despite adopting tougher drug laws and the Netherlands has not experienced rising levels despite more lenient laws and the legalisation of marijuana; the Netherlands now reap the benefits of decriminalisation which I have mentioned earlier.
Jon fishy..
Your posts on this pot shit is so funny.. I couldn't help laughing going through this thread.
But dude.. Pot is just another substance to make you do stupid things.
And any form of responsible drug use can reap benefits.. unfortunately.. what causes the most harm is NOT the drug itself.. rather the STUPID things recreational drug users DO.
There's no need to legalized or illegalize drug. I'd rather think we should DE-legalize stupid people.
Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:No, it's a minor infringement upon your lifestyle. Think not only of yourself but the nation as a whole. Singapore is popular because of its strong economy and safety, which will not change as crime stems from poverty.
Legalising a drug will have minimal social consequences, in fact, it will have social benefits which I have mentioned in my previous posts.
There is currently already an undersirable level of recreational drug use among teens, the problem being that drugs are considered anti-establishment and our rebellious youth will be drawn to it. As with the case of the Netherlands, lighter drugs are normalised instead of dramatised and you'll find that it works very well when preventing underage consumption of such substances, not to mention the age restrictions which would be enforced were drugs made legal. But of course, as with underage smoking and drinking they will find a way to obtain it but it certainly won't be any more of a problem than it is already.
I am considering the drugs not because I'm a clear thinking adult, I'm not even legally an adult yet, but because I'm a product of an appropriate attitude to drugs which the Australian educational system has taught me. In health class we are not given a blanket statement that drugs are bad and we should stay away from them, we are simply given the facts about them and are free to draw our own conclusions. That is the attitude towards many other aspects including underage sex, drinking and smoking. We are never told anything is 'bad' but are given the information to make our own decisions just as long as we are fully aware of the risks and consequences
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You might as well say legalising rape will decrease the number of sex crimes.
Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:
Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:I've already pointed out multiple benefits of legalisation, six in total if I remember correctly.
Responsibility with social drugs has already been learned by regular society, alcohol is considered a social drug and the attitudes regarding would then apply to marijuana. I have been living in Singapore a long time and will continue to until I finish school and I've definitely been here long enough to have experienced the amount of recreational drug use although it isn't as common among teens as other countries, recreational drug use is more widespread amongst the young adult demographic especially those who go clubbing.
Statistically, the United States has had increasing levels of drug use despite adopting tougher drug laws and the Netherlands has not experienced rising levels despite more lenient laws and the legalisation of marijuana; the Netherlands now reap the benefits of decriminalisation which I have mentioned earlier.
I agree with you on the part of learning responsibility.
However, have you considered how much harm this "social drugs" would inflict on our society? Have we have not enough alcohol addicts to deal with already? Must we legalize more drugs so that people can have more options to get high and cause more trouble.
I believe that the consumption of marijuana is less a threat to the society compared to alcohol. People are stoned rather than mad. But i also believe that both marijuana alcohol does harm to the human body. So should we legalise more options for people to harm themselves?
Besides, what may work for a liberal western society may not work for our more conservative asian society.
Originally posted by crimsontactics:I agree with you on the part of learning responsibility.
hahahah...dude... Pot is not the ONLY way to learn responsibility.
For people who do drugs... better do your homework before u even think about smuggling into sgp.
For people who take drugs, u better pray u dont get caught or u will kenna jialat jialat too.
My dear,
crime stem from poverty, legalising marijuana will do what to the economy and encourage the people to do what? Prosper?
Originally posted by crimsontactics:You might as well say legalising rape will decrease the number of sex crimes.
Instead of using a straw man argument, perhaps you should actually have a look at the drug policy of the Netherlands and its statistics on drug use as well as alcohol prohibition in the United States during 1920 to 1933.
Rape and drugs are completely different, people are deterred from drugs because of the risks involved. How many people can you honestly say would love to do drugs but can't because it's illegal and were it not, they would definitely use drugs?
Originally posted by jojobeach:Jon fishy..
Your posts on this pot shit is so funny.. I couldn't help laughing going through this thread.
But dude.. Pot is just another substance to make you do stupid things.
And any form of responsible drug use can reap benefits.. unfortunately.. what causes the most harm is NOT the drug itself.. rather the STUPID things recreational drug users DO.
There's no need to legalized or illegalize drug. I'd rather think we should DE-legalize stupid people.
I will ignore your post due to obvious irony.
Originally posted by crimsontactics:I agree with you on the part of learning responsibility.
However, have you considered how much harm this "social drugs" would inflict on our society? Have we have not enough alcohol addicts to deal with already? Must we legalize more drugs so that people can have more options to get high and cause more trouble.
I believe that the consumption of marijuana is less a threat to the society compared to alcohol. People are stoned rather than mad. But i also believe that both marijuana alcohol does harm to the human body. So should we legalise more options for people to harm themselves?
Besides, what may work for a liberal western society may not work for our more conservative asian society.
Drugs aren't just people harming themselves, if you choose to put it that way then unhealthy food is just a way for people to harm themselves. It is the individual's choice whether or not he wishes to deal with the medical consequences of drug use and I don't see why you or the government should have a say in it.
Please rid yourself of all typically Singaporean preconceptions of drugs. People who get high rarely cause trouble and even if they do, there are already non-drug related laws being enforced.
What everyone was trying to tell you.
Responsible use of marijuana, does not mean that any person can be responsible, with or without the high of marijuana.
Much like a gambler with gambling habits.
Look, I understand what you are trying to say. Look at guns.
How few consider weapons shooting as a sport and how many consider that its a dangerous thing and will never touch it. (Except maybe the NS boys, you guys got no choice.)
Or blood donation, how many will insist they are 'low blood' as an excuse they cannot donate blood. I can understand about being scared of needles, but I cannot understand why people like to suggest that they are low blood without doctors confirmation.
Originally posted by viciouskitty74:My dear,
crime stem from poverty, legalising marijuana will do what to the economy and encourage the people to do what? Prosper?
In the case of the United States, it will boost the economy by an estimated billions.
http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=73
In the case of the United States, parents will rally to move the family out of those states.
And boy, dont suggest United States anymore please, there is already a few people currently in United States and telling you to quit suggesting what you are not experiencing.
Originally posted by viciouskitty74:What everyone was trying to tell you.
Responsible use of marijuana, does not mean that any person can be responsible, with or without the high of marijuana.
Much like a gambler with gambling habits.
Sure not every person can be responsible, but the second they endanger someone else by cause of being under the influence, they will be prosecuted for the appropriate crime committed e.g. assault.
Another part of regulation would be to enforce harsher punishment for those committing crimes while under the influence to act as a further incentive for responsible drug usage.
Originally posted by viciouskitty74:In the case of the United States, parents will rally to move the family out of those states.
And boy, dont suggest United States anymore please, there is already a few people currently in United States and telling you to quit suggesting what you are not experiencing.
Parents will rally to move the family out of the states? Another baseless claim. Even if it happens then so be it. They have the freedom to live wherever they wish.
Jon, do you remember the chewing gum law?
Care to tell me your understanding of it?
Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:Parents will rally to move the family out of the states? Another baseless claim. Even if it happens then so be it. They have the freedom to live wherever they wish.
and Singapore can take that multitude of family moving away, or parents sending their children away?
Have you considered the size of Singapore and USA, or at least Malaysia?