If you are leaving Singapore, where will you go?!
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Are you now presuming to tell me what real life is?
In REAL life, CEOs and other executives base multimillion-dollar decisions and form government policies based upon information that I provide to them. If I don't apply this degree of precision to my message, then I won't be invited again. But that's just my professional environment. I'd like to hear how you can justify being so sloppy about communication as to corrupt the message under any circumstances.
I have a real problem with you playing fast and loose with what you say, and then talking out the other side of your mouth and asking other people for well-thought-out posts without returning the courtesy. That's just plain rude, and a sure sign that you're playing to your own agenda rather than objectively asking for people's input as you've claimed to do.
You state that your aim is to get other people to share their experiences of living overseas, but then you proceed to tell everyone about how your experiences lead to your conclusion that there's no better place to stay than Singapore, with little if any regard to what other people have written if it doesn't fit your agenda.
Sorry to spoil your little party here, but that's just rubbish and a clear case of intellectual dishonesty. Don't go asking for well-thought-out posts - ask for only posts that fit your world view. At least that way you'll be honest.
You are probably a detailed but not intelligent person. It is rather clear that you cannot differentiate between social forum and business presentation. Though we still seek quality posts, the level of intensity should be adjusted accordingly.
So you are a precise professional manager? Get this, I AM the decision maker in the boardroom. Ask soul_rage who knows my real name, and he can google about me and verify. If my department heads behave like you, they dun go far with me, cause' they dun have the intelligence to differenciate relevant information from what is not. And if they keep interrupting me with unimportant issues, I show them the door sooner or later.
If your type of precision and consistency is to be applied in life, guess our government must have been lying. Talks about we Singaporeans are hardworking, diligent and honest?!! Oh my god, they forgot to qualify and use CONSISTENTLY without fail, the word "most" or use percentages to reflect the real facts throughout their statments! How can the highest paid government in the world make such mistake???!!!
Do you wanna suit them?
I do invite different views, and soul_rage does not agree with me all the time, neither does Atobe, but it's ok. I have praised these two forumers a few times becuase I get something out of my conversations with them. But your sort of "difference" is not about views, it is sadly based on misconceptions due to your "precise" angles!
I really take no interest in such arguments, let's talk or abort.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Hello Lionoasis, I think your statement here is a bit unclear.
- "I remain that Singapore is the best place for most Singaporeans because I don't see them settling down successfully in other countries - not because of competency or attitude towards work - but because we are culturally unadpatable; "
What do your "most Singaporean" refers? to those Singaporean who cannot "settle down successfully in other countries", they therefore find Singapore the best place? then the "all" Singaporean only refers to those who have ventured to live overseas.
If the "all " Singaporeans refer to the Singaporean citizens, resident locally or temporarily outside, then those who have found their new home in other countries, and have given up Singaporean citizenship are not part of this. and you need no statistic (just a little brain) to tell you that "most " Singaporean are comfortably living in Singapore, whether this is the best place or not.
I don't think it is right to say that we don't migrate, or those who choose to return are "cultural unadaptable". The conditions for cultural adaptability differs from country to country, the need for cultural assimilation also varies.
I really think Singaporeans in general are not adaptable in foreign land. We have been living in a very orderly and efficient country for far too long. Yes, we are paying the price of success, some may say.
If people do return home, I won't know all the resons, but they will probably have complaints about lifestyle, food and prospects problems. I have sighted this as a reason, but you are free to have your views.
Culture, by definition, is a collective way of life and believe systems. My observation, is that we are uniquely positioned, such level of advancement (also fairly westernized)and in S.E.A., no where else do we find countries with similar parameters. Not saying who is better or worse, but as Singaporeans (in general) who have been here all their lifes, one can imagine how difficult it will be for them to adopt a new culture, and I am cynical about this.
Does this answer your questions?
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
You are probably a detailed but not intelligent person. It is rather clear that you cannot differentiate between social forum and business presentation. Though we still seek quality posts, the level of intensity should be adjusted accordingly.
So you are a precise professional manager? Get this, I AM the decision maker in the boardroom. Ask soul_rage who knows my real name, and he can google about me and verify. If my department heads behave like you, they dun go far with me, cause' they dun have the intelligence to differenciate relevant information from what is not. And if they keep interrupting me with unimportant issues, I show them the door sooner or later.
If your type of precision and consistency is to be applied in life, guess our government must have been lying. Talks about we Singaporeans are hardworking, diligent and honest?!! Oh my god, they forgot to qualify and use CONSISTENTLY without fail, the word "most" or use percentages to reflect the real facts throughout their statments! How can the highest paid government in the world make such mistake???!!!
Do you wanna suit them?
I do invite different views, and soul_rage does not agree with me all the time, neither does Atobe, but it's ok. I have praised these two forumers a few times becuase I get something out of my conversations with them. But your sort of "difference" is not about views, it is sadly based on misconceptions due to your "precise" angles!
I really take no interest in such arguments, let's talk or abort.
Oh really now.
So what's the deal here, when you talk to your partners you start the a sentence about computers and end up with grapefruits, and on that basis they hand over money to you?
Don't give me this rubbish about you being the decision-maker. Your personal conduct here shows that you you completely and utterly lack the capacity to be in such a position, no matter what phoney names you choose to drop to soul-rage or anyone else. I could just as easily tell you that my real name is Bill Gates - want to hit Google and look me up? Just because you're dumb enough to tell such a lie doesn't mean other people are dumb enough to swallow it.
You see, YOU are the unintelligent one here. The pertinent point here is that what you say is rubbish because you can't decide what you're talking about, but you choose to chase after red herrings and turn this into a laughable "whose dick is bigger" exercise instead. My oh my, how many business deal have you burned by thinking with your gonads and tying yourself up with irrelevancies, Mr Power-that-be?
If you're making some cockamamie distinction between social fora and business presentations now, then you've been an outright hypocrite in spewing nonsense about *ahem* "well though out posts". Make up your mind,will you?
By the way, if you are a business owner, you're the only one I've ever come across who's got time to monkey around on an internet forum. Guess you don't have a lot of business, huh?
Okay, okay, let's get back to the topic. Given how utterly and completely flawed your methods of dealing with information are, your conclusion that Singapore is the best place to be is completely bunkum. That's not to say that Singapore's a bad place to be by any stretch of the imagination - it's just that no conclusion you reach is sound.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Oh really now.
So what's the deal here, when you talk to your partners you start the a sentence about computers and end up with grapefruits, and on that basis they hand over money to you?
Don't give me this rubbish about you being the decision-maker. Your personal conduct here shows that you you completely and utterly lack the capacity to be in such a position, no matter what phoney names you choose to drop to soul-rage or anyone else. I could just as easily tell you that my real name is Bill Gates - want to hit Google and look me up? Just because you're dumb enough to tell such a lie doesn't mean other people are dumb enough to swallow it.
If you're making some cockamamie distinction between social fora and business presentations now, then you've been an outright hypocrite in spewing nonsense about *ahem* "well though out posts". Make up your mind,will you?
Well, so when you look at a green & red apple placed together, you actually see only a pear and a tomato...you are totally off!!
If you are going down that lane about me needing to make up a fake name here (and I do not even disclose it - talk about using big names???) in this forum, I have nothing further to say to you.
Get back to work!
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
Well, so when you look at a green & red apple placed together, you actually see only a pear and a tomato...you are totally off!!
If you are going down that lane about me needing to make up a fake name here (and I do not even disclose it - talk about using big names???) in this forum, I have nothing further to say to you.
Get back to work!
Back to work? It's a weekend, dummy.
Or do the employees in your imaginary company work 24/7?
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By the way, your intellectual limitations are showing again. It's not a case of you showing me a red and a green apple. It's a case of you showing me a panda bear and a pogo stick and expecting me to believe you when you claim it's a red and a green apple.
Get it right, will you?
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
I really think Singaporeans in general are not adaptable in foreign land. We have been living in a very orderly and efficient country for far too long. Yes, we are paying the price of success, some may say.
If people do return home, I won't know all the resons, but they will probably have complaints about lifestyle, food and prospects problems. I have sighted this as a reason, but you are free to have your views.
Culture, by definition, is a collective way of life and believe systems. My observation, is that we are uniquely positioned, such level of advancement (also fairly westernized)and in S.E.A., no where else do we find countries with similar parameters. Not saying who is better or worse, but as Singaporeans (in general) who have been here all their lifes, one can imagine how difficult it will be for them to adopt a new culture, and I am cynical about this.
Does this answer your questions?
It boils down to why people migrate.
If people are migrating for a better life, then to complain about food and lifestyle overseas mean they haven't found what they want.
If people migrate because of idealogical belief or political persecution, then die die they must also adapt, if they can't, that only shows their conviction for their idealogy is not strong enough.
Singapore is a small country, an island, it is idiotic to say how good is USA, Canada, Australia bla bla bla compared to Singapore. Every place is different, even HK, is significantly different from us in many other areas.
But as a small country, Singapore has much to offer, and we don't have to feel sorry about that! if people find it tough in Singapore, then adapting to a better place should never be difficult.
cheers.
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immigrates cuz theres lotsa chiobu japanese girls in oz...........those are like kids u see in jap porn movies!!!
i gots authentic katong laksa in oz in case i freak out after eating fish n chips or burgers everyday.
ideological belief???only ippt and rt i hates!
bvut i do miss the cheap made in europe materials from local hardware store.....and orchard road as i am familiar with those areas n where to get my stuff dat i need.
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honestly, home is ultimately the best place to live. i've been in sydney for 4 years, and its been overall a very lonely experience. the place is beautiful (lotsa nice parks), and the standard of living high, but what is the point of these things when your friends/family/relative are not close by. whats more there is still the inevitable racial prejudice. trust me, i'm speaking from a position of having lived in sydney for 4 years and counting.
i'm returning to singapore at the next opportunity i can. in the meantime, i'm just making the best of what i have.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
It boils down to why people migrate.
If people are migrating for a better life, then to complain about food and lifestyle overseas mean they haven't found what they want.
If people migrate because of idealogical belief or political persecution, then die die they must also adapt, if they can't, that only shows their conviction for their idealogy is not strong enough.
Singapore is a small country, an island, it is idiotic to say how good is USA, Canada, Australia bla bla bla compared to Singapore. Every place is different, even HK, is significantly different from us in many other areas.
But as a small country, Singapore has much to offer, and we don't have to feel sorry about that! if people find it tough in Singapore, then adapting to a better place should never be difficult.
cheers.
Hi,
I have mentioned this before, and here it is again. Whereever people go, their decision should be respected, I am just suggesting that they think through real carefully, which I think they will, afterall it is immigration we are talking about. What I cannot agree, is for some people here to yell North Pole or Congo or whatever crab places for the fun of it; and we have some who fantacize about some "nice" european or american places where they have not visited nor lived in, and think they wanna go there.
Again, research , understand, analyze, before taking any action (or claims for that matter).
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
It boils down to why people migrate.
If people are migrating for a better life, then to complain about food and lifestyle overseas mean they haven't found what they want.
If people migrate because of idealogical belief or political persecution, then die die they must also adapt, if they can't, that only shows their conviction for their idealogy is not strong enough.
Singapore is a small country, an island, it is idiotic to say how good is USA, Canada, Australia bla bla bla compared to Singapore. Every place is different, even HK, is significantly different from us in many other areas.
But as a small country, Singapore has much to offer, and we don't have to feel sorry about that! if people find it tough in Singapore, then adapting to a better place should never be difficult.
cheers.
I don't see why we cannot compare between countries. The way I see it, you are just attempting to avoid discussing about the issue, on why Singaporeans chose or want to leave the country.
Evidence can be seen from one of your previous postings, where you say that Singaporeans that gave up their citizenship should not be considered in this topic coz they are no longer Singaporeans. It's precisely those who gave up their citizenship that we should speak to, and those who chose to live somewhere else, whom we should discover the reasons for their decision.
What is wrong with comparisons? There are ranking reports on standards of living cost of living, etc between countries. So are you saying that we should ignore these comparisons?
If a country refuse to look at data published about other countries in comparison to itself, then it is committing the same fatal flaw as a complacent corporation that does not track its competitors' progress closely. Now, THAT is idiotic.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Back to work? It's a weekend, dummy.
Or do the employees in your imaginary company work 24/7?
No really, please go back to work! You will need all the weekends to go through the nunbers and words in your reports, so that your boss can pass more praise about your precision. Gee, I can almost guess what role you play...
Since you mentioned my company, my best people are rewarded for their results while working in an environment is filled with IMPERFECTIONS and the only constant is CHANGE. This requires taking the minimal of resources (sometimes least or wrong information) to churn out results. To me, working with impecfections is a higher skill than demanding for perfections. But hey, dun take my word for it. Read on...
As a professional manager that you seem to claim you are, have you read the E-Myth by Michale E. Gerber? In it, he mentioned there are three types of people in an organization - the technician, the manager and the entrepreneur. The technician, is wholy concerned with getting the job done right & as precise as possible. Nothing wrong there, we need all sort of people, but such is a mindset that is too focussed and fails to see the broader sense of things.
Stop being an ass! Get back to work!
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Dear Lionoasis and Gedanken,
Do refrain from personal abuses of each other. In my opinion, both have your own valid views and sound observations, therefore I would hope that both take a step back and not get into further arguments that borders on personal detail and are pointless. Sometimes, it's the heat of debates that can turn two friends against each other. So try to refrain from that.
Lionoasis, just a point to note about the forums. You do not need to prove who you are (though, yes, I know you are the decision maker). Leave it to others to determine what they want. It's not important. For example, some of those here claimed that I am lying about living in USA. It doesn't matter. It's not impt, coz from the postings I make, others can determine whether I am speaking the truth or not.
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Hear! Hear!! Soul-Rage! I agree with you!!
For crying out loud you two!! Stop this nonsense won't you? You're both starting to ruin the debate here!! Kiss and make up!! After all, we're still Singaporeans! Aren't we!!??
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Soul_rage & Chelsea:
All I want is free flow of minds, and not needing to slow down for houseflies and other unimportant topics.
You have my word, no more. Cheers!
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
I don't see why we cannot compare between countries. The way I see it, you are just attempting to avoid discussing about the issue, on why Singaporeans chose or want to leave the country.
Evidence can be seen from one of your previous postings, where you say that Singaporeans that gave up their citizenship should not be considered in this topic coz they are no longer Singaporeans. It's precisely those who gave up their citizenship that we should speak to, and those who chose to live somewhere else, whom we should discover the reasons for their decision.
What is wrong with comparisons? There are ranking reports on standards of living cost of living, etc between countries. So are you saying that we should ignore these comparisons?
If a country refuse to look at data published about other countries in comparison to itself, then it is committing the same fatal flaw as a complacent corporation that does not track its competitors' progress closely. Now, THAT is idiotic.
The thread is on where do you go, not " why Singaporeans chose or want to leave the country." Obviously you can't tell the difference.
Nobody says you cannot compare between countries, or believe in statistics or data. But there is lots of wisdom involved in how comparisons are made, how relevant data is selected, how inference is made and conclusions drawn to suit each individual need. You can look at data as much as you like, but it is what data you accept and how you use them that counts.
Just because that latest finding shows that Thailand is the 3rd most popular destination for expat, would you dash into it?
Corporations read all kinds of data, but they take careful analysis to identify the relevant competitors, will only commit valuable resources to engage them in core competitive areas.
Ultimately, do you use the data to help make decision for you or do you use the data to justify your own decision, it is up to you. Whether you are wise or idiotic doesn't matter to others.
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
Hi,
I have mentioned this before, and here it is again. Whereever people go, their decision should be respected, I am just suggesting that they think through real carefully, which I think they will, afterall it is immigration we are talking about. What I cannot agree, is for some people here to yell North Pole or Congo or whatever crab places for the fun of it; and we have some who fantacize about some "nice" european or american places where they have not visited nor lived in, and think they wanna go there.
Again, research , understand, analyze, before taking any action (or claims for that matter).
Never have any problem with that. Just need to say that respect is needed for those who choose to call Singapore home, and we don't need to feel sorry about that.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
The thread is on where do you go, not " why Singaporeans chose or want to leave the country." Obviously you can't tell the difference.
Nobody says you cannot compare between countries, or believe in statistics or data. But there is lots of wisdom involved in how comparisons are made, how relevant data is selected, how inference is made and conclusions drawn to suit each individual need. You can look at data as much as you like, but it is what data you accept and how you use them that counts.
Just because that latest finding shows that Thailand is the 3rd most popular destination for expat, would you dash into it?
Corporations read all kinds of data, but they take careful analysis to identify the relevant competitors, will only commit valuable resources to engage them in core competitive areas.
Ultimately, do you use the data to help make decision for you or do you use the data to justify your own decision, it is up to you. Whether you are wise or idiotic doesn't matter to others.
Obviously, you aren't reading correctly the objectives of this topic. Or rather, you are just doing selective reading, only on items that fit into your agenda.
I won't debate with you on the above, because I acknowledge your valid point. However, do note the point on "wisdom", and the selection of 'relevant' data. Both can be very subjective to weed out data that one does not want others to see.
You called others idiotic to compare countries. It does matter to you doesn't it about how others compare Singapore? And how would you know that their comparisons are not relevant, that you would not hesitate to deem their comparisons idiotic, since you probably have incomplete info on their experience to make a conclusion?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Never have any problem with that. Just need to say that respect is needed for those who choose to call Singapore home, and we don't need to feel sorry about that.
Same. Not interested in those who want to go mongolia or haiti island without any valid reason
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
I really think Singaporeans in general are not adaptable in foreign land. We have been living in a very orderly and efficient country for far too long. Yes, we are paying the price of success, some may say.
If people do return home, I won't know all the resons, but they will probably have complaints about lifestyle, food and prospects problems. I have sighted this as a reason, but you are free to have your views.
Culture, by definition, is a collective way of life and believe systems. My observation, is that we are uniquely positioned, such level of advancement (also fairly westernized)and in S.E.A., no where else do we find countries with similar parameters. Not saying who is better or worse, but as Singaporeans (in general) who have been here all their lifes, one can imagine how difficult it will be for them to adopt a new culture, and I am cynical about this.
Does this answer your questions?
The only way to test out your theory is to put every Singaporean in a foreign country for a couple of years and record how they adapt.
I'm sure we both know that the stituations and scenarios of which you, Arapahoe, Gedankan, soul_rage and pretty much most of the professionals working overseas get to work in privileged positions overseas is rare for your cohort, or at least uncommon.
Of course, i hold no statistics of actual numbers but i'd venture a guess that no more than half of your classmates are working in a similarly high position overseas.
I'm also guessing that all of you have got your degrees in universities and most of you are of at least middle to middle upper class family backgrounds.
That is something not all Singaporeans have access to, it is not solely the blame of the PAP government because that's how society works, some people win and some people don't get the opportunities to play the game.
You could argue we're just not working as hard but that's like saying the Africans deserved what they're getting because they're dumb and lazy.
I think it is extremely unfair to say we are incapable of adapting when we are not even able to have access to the same game as you have to prove that we are capable of it.
Actually if you want to talk about inability to accept change, i would think the Japanese have an even harder time adjusting to new cultures considering the effort they put in to isolate themselves from the local population.
Maybe i'm just ranting but gaining the opportunity to go overseas and test out our ability to adapt just isn't as easy for most of the population. And quite a few of us have personal responsibilities that just isn't easy to let go.
I have talked with the friend of a colleague who's a French. He earned enough as a game designer to just quit his job for 5 months and travel throughout Asia and he's not really much older than i am. While i pretty much have to burn my savings for the past year to visit a friend in London.
Yea we can talk how about how we lack the adventurous spirit and adapability of the Europeans and Americans but there are very practical limitations we just cannot ignore.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
The only way to test out your theory is to put every Singaporean in a foreign country for a couple of years and record how they adapt.
I'm sure we both know that the stituations and scenarios of which you, Arapahoe, Gedankan, soul_rage and pretty much most of the professionals working overseas get to work in privileged positions overseas is rare for your cohort, or at least uncommon.
Of course, i hold no statistics of actual numbers but i'd venture a guess that no more than half of your classmates are working in a similarly high position overseas.
I'm also guessing that all of you have got your degrees in universities and most of you are of at least middle to middle upper class family backgrounds.
That is something not all Singaporeans have access to, it is not solely the blame of the PAP government because that's how society works, some people win and some people don't get the opportunities to play the game.
You could argue we're just not working as hard but that's like saying the Africans deserved what they're getting because they're dumb and lazy.
I think it is extremely unfair to say we are incapable of adapting when we are not even able to have access to the same game as you have to prove that we are capable of it.
Actually if you want to talk about inability to accept change, i would think the Japanese have an even harder time adjusting to new cultures considering the effort they put in to isolate themselves from the local population.
Maybe i'm just ranting but gaining the opportunity to go overseas and test out our ability to adapt just isn't as easy for most of the population. And quite a few of us have personal responsibilities that just isn't easy to let go.
I have talked with the friend of a colleague who's a French. He earned enough as a game designer to just quit his job for 5 months and travel throughout Asia and he's not really much older than i am. While i pretty much have to burn my savings for the past year to visit a friend in London.
Yea we can talk how about how we lack the adventurous spirit and adapability of the Europeans and Americans but there are very practical limitations we just cannot ignore.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
The only way to test out your theory is to put every Singaporean in a foreign country for a couple of years and record how they adapt.
I'm sure we both know that the stituations and scenarios of which you, Arapahoe, Gedankan, soul_rage and pretty much most of the professionals working overseas get to work in privileged positions overseas is rare for your cohort, or at least uncommon.
Of course, i hold no statistics of actual numbers but i'd venture a guess that no more than half of your classmates are working in a similarly high position overseas.
I'm also guessing that all of you have got your degrees in universities and most of you are of at least middle to middle upper class family backgrounds.
That is something not all Singaporeans have access to, it is not solely the blame of the PAP government because that's how society works, some people win and some people don't get the opportunities to play the game.
You could argue we're just not working as hard but that's like saying the Africans deserved what they're getting because they're dumb and lazy.
I think it is extremely unfair to say we are incapable of adapting when we are not even able to have access to the same game as you have to prove that we are capable of it.
Actually if you want to talk about inability to accept change, i would think the Japanese have an even harder time adjusting to new cultures considering the effort they put in to isolate themselves from the local population.
Maybe i'm just ranting but gaining the opportunity to go overseas and test out our ability to adapt just isn't as easy for most of the population. And quite a few of us have personal responsibilities that just isn't easy to let go.
I have talked with the friend of a colleague who's a French. He earned enough as a game designer to just quit his job for 5 months and travel throughout Asia and he's not really much older than i am. While i pretty much have to burn my savings for the past year to visit a friend in London.
Yea we can talk how about how we lack the adventurous spirit and adapability of the Europeans and Americans but there are very practical limitations we just cannot ignore.
Hi,
Thank you for writing. I would like to clarify that when I remarked about Singaporean's inadaptability, I was not making a comparison between Singaporeans and people from other countries. It was purely what I thought Singaporeans in general, would get themselves into, should they begin to presume settling life on other places is easy. We live in a very orderly, clean and efficient city, and we are also cursed by the same pluses.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Hi Stevenson101,
before you continue with the assumptions, I would like to clarify some points in your post.
I started off as a never-do-well. I am not like my brother who has scored straight As since primary school all the way to university. I only woke up sometime in my late teens when I realized I am not being responsible for my life
My dad was a teacher, my mum a housewife. My family is considered probably middle-income, that's about it.
I am a local grad like you. I am proud of it. I never joined the elite undergrad programs in university, even though the professor tried to get me to join the elitist program, which provides lots of additional benefits to those students. Instead, I championed the 'ordinary' students' needs, maintaining that 'ordinary' students should not be discriminated against, and led a campaign to provide more support to the 'ordinary' students. And in the process, incurred the wrath of that professor. I aced my exams and was in the top 10% of the cohort, beating many of the elite students.
The reason I am where I am today, is from my waking up to realize that I need to live my life responsibly and fully, to continuously challenge myself, and to grasp whatever opportunities that come my way. I am where I am today, after going through a gruelling interview process that involved virtual interviews, to flying over to do IQ/EQ tests that are even tougher than uni exams, and to do a one-day business test to verify the authencity of my skills and personality.
I did not come here due to some connections (as forum member eagle will know), but from my own capabilities and opportunities.
I highlight the above, not to validate my claims, but to let you know that I am not unlike you, that we share the same set of education (I was not in any gifted programs), and that I am an example of a 'normal' guy (in the govt's eyes) that has exceled in my career and have gone even further than any of those govt scholars.
Whatever it is, I just want to say, do not limit yourself because of your environment, but find a way out through observing the surroundings and finding opportunities for yourself. Given the nature of your postings, I can say that you have an analytical mind that has the potential to go far.
In fact, Lionoasis is also not some high-flying govt scholar. He has gone thru many hardships to be where he is today. That was from my conversations I had with him outside of this forum.
Actually after reading my own post i realise that the choice of examples i've used is quite bad, making too much assumptions and leap of faiths. I apologize for that.
It was never my intention to imply that either you, Lionoasis or any of the examples i've used are elite scholars. I was trying to make the point that saying Singaporeans are not adaptable is not a fair statement because it's just not something that's easily measurable and can't be verified unless we could somehow put a group of Singaporeans overseas and monitor them for a few years.
But it is, of course his opinion. And there's nothing wrong in stating an opinion on something that's so difficult to measure. Perhaps i have overreacted but i detect the feeling that if we're not working and being successful in an overseas position we're somehow not being adaptable and incapable of integrating culturally.
That is often a position that i've seen taken by a few who are overseas(true or not, i do not know), mocking the dumb Singaporeans who aren't able to succeed as they have and have to put up with the PAP government.
If i have indeed misinterpreted what Lionoasis have said then i apologize again.
It's not about limiting myself but i have personal responsibilities that makes it somewhat difficult to make big choices. The path just isn't as straightforward for a lot of us.
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
Hi,
Thank you for writing. I would like to clarify that when I remarked about Singaporean's inadaptability, I was not making a comparison between Singaporeans and people from other countries. It was purely what I thought Singaporeans in general, would get themselves into, should they begin to presume settling life on other places is easy. We live in a very orderly, clean and efficient city, and we are also cursed by the same pluses.
A debatable opinion but i can see where you're coming from.
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Just some reference numbers for the states side.....
I have spoken to Singapore overseas unit, they told me there are estimated singaporean in the states side about more than 6000 reside in NY state alone.
While west coast in SFO alone is approximately more than 3000 and another few thousand in L.A. that exclude SG population living in other major cities...
And I have met singaporean who reside in the US for over 30 yrs and still visit singapore for various reasons.
Just an observation
What is unique characteristics about singaporean is that they tend to live more independently from another singaporean. While ethnics chinese from PRC, ROC, Korean have shown a tendency to live together and have their social network in the same vicinity/city.
once in a while i would bump into another singaporean in unusual places. So perharps it depend on which generation that seeked the change.