If you are leaving Singapore, where will you go?!
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
Hello there,
I thought I underlined the word "MOST"? This word would suggest there are a minority of people who would have adapted, wouldn't it? Where is the injustice?
Let's examine your statement, shall we?
Originally posted by Lionoasis:I remain that Singapore is the best place for most Singaporeans because I don't see them settling down successfully in other countries - not because of competency or attitude towards work - but because we are culturally unadpatable;I acknowledge that you underlined the word "most" at the beginning of the sentence, but you end that same sentence with a sweeping generalisation, which i have underlined and highlighted in red.
Tell me, which end of the sentence am I to believe?
Yeah, it's injustice.
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Originally posted by Chelsea 1 71:
In reply to Gedankan :)
Baby squids??!! Indeed you can get them at Springvale market!! But not in the supermarket itself, you'll have to go upstairs, two doors away from the Chinese restaurant. Unfortunately, they stock only frozen food. So, if you're looking for fresh ones, you won't find it there!
Suh-weet! I hadn't thought of looking there. Crispy baby squid, here we come!
Whereabouts are you in Victoria, anyway? I've just bought a house in Eltham.
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Listen up Leesiewhoi!
Come to Australia...Victoria!!!! You won't have any regrets!! I've settled down here since the 70s and also brought my sister and niece!! They've bought their own home and car since and that's just nearly 2 years ago!!
As for JohnPenn...... wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi there Gedankan :)
I'm in Chelsea, all I need to do is just cross over the Nepean Highway and there's the sandy beach and open ocean to enjoy. Just 15 to 20 minutes walk from my residence to the beachfront!!
This is the life.....if you're reading this!!!! So, don't get envious! It's your life, get up, pull your socks up and do something about it! But it's all up to the individual, everyone of us is different.
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Dear Chelsea,
I'm interested to know the process and papers needed to become an Australian citizen or PR? Please enlighten. :) -
Originally posted by soul_rage:
Was referring to some others, those who don't contribute constructively, but make remarks about living in Antartica. Between Antartica and Singapore, Singapore still wins :D
I guess what Lionoasis was trying to bring across, later on, was about valid reasons on living in other countries. Valid points like, "experiencing another lifestyle", "freedom of speech", etc are things he is looking out for in what influences the forumers here.
Silly remarks like "Living in Antartica" on the other hand... just goes to show how much a person making that remark has not seen any part of the world. It's just plain immature in my opinion as well.
Dear Mr. soul rag,
if you are able to build your own 4 man diesel powered submarines ...build factories and serious industries at that... then u can live anywhere in antarctica.
i am aware that u are not a practical person..........perhaps that is why u are still in singapore.i was forged from the fiery hell of singapore's industrial might that packs as much punch as the heavy weights in the usa and japan.The industrial technology transfer from what usa & japan into spore was complete unto me. my undying will was the start of it along with my adaptations to all enviroments possible. AND THAT IS WHY I AM ABLE TO DO AND GO PLACES .
IT AINT IMMATURE......more like mission impossible for u. it aint impossible for me with my know-how..its how well u have learnt in lifes own experience.even if im in spore........i wont be in sgforum........most likely an upheavel due to not much results from pap.if i died n failed in process.....i will be back!
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to all,
as u read this i made a new method of producing mirror surface prototypes this week with no special tools.....and no method that anyone on the internet gives. i am amazed at its simplicity and such brilliant results.its japanese quality with no special tools!best of all its non-toxic and very safe to use.
if i were in spore,i would be unable to do it as my time would be taken up by army remedial training on whatever spare time i have left after work.
what could i do with it???i would say i could now setup many factories , design centres with my know-how and trade secrets with its customer potentials worldwide which is highly technical and futuristic in its practical designs.
the oddest thing to is that the materials can be found in singapore too!so how come couldnt i do it when i was in spore ????was i too occupied trying to find the right food on my off days or remedial army athelete trainings???maybe spore was never meant to go anywhere.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Let's examine your statement, shall we?
I acknowledge that you underlined the word "most" at the beginning of the sentence, but you end that same sentence with a sweeping generalisation, which i have underlined and highlighted in red.
Tell me, which end of the sentence am I to believe?
Yeah, it's injustice.
I think you are not reading enough of my posts all these while. For people who have read enough, they know where I come from. But here's the thing, the ending sentence, which is part of the entire paragraph is to summarize a thought, and this thought is - Sinpaporeans are (on the whole) not culturally adaptable - nothing wrong there. If you wish to give me a lesson in English, please take this elsewhere. You are either having trouble understanding complex English or you are just not focussed on the subject matter and therefore, would take a sentence as a stand alone comment where it is actually part of a paragraph.
So "which sentence am I to believe?" you asked, well it is not important to me what you believe. If you really wanna know what I am saying, please invest more time and go through the posts to see where I stand. To take part of a paragraph and make conclusions about me is rude and kinda stupid - this is what I believe.
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to seanpenn,
to be afraid is a sign that u are a normal person..............but dont let the 3 thieves take yer life slowly from u.....they are apathy,fear and sloth.
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In reply to Iwanna Humpalot!
You do have an Australian Embassy in Singapore don't you? The first step is go there and find out from them what you need to know. Their rules and regulations changes every year. It's a rather involve process and no one should be taking "information" from forums anywhere of such importance! It involves your life ahead of you in a different country, so do the right thing and do it properly!! Best of luck endeavour!
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Originally posted by Chelsea 1 71:
In reply to Soul Rage!
First and foremost, greetings from Downunder! As to your query about roti pratas and roast ducks, you need to realise that Australia is VERY multicultural now compared to the earlier years!! Asian migrants have brought with them famous recipes of Asian foods, ALL, I repeat, ALL Asian foods are available here in Australia, especially in Melbourne!! Hawker stalls and take aways in most shopping centres!!
Australia is also much closer to Singapore than the US of A, hence also one of the reasons why I picked this country to be my home!
As for those who come to this forum and make foolish remarks, just ignore them! They're uncultured, no family education and just can't tell the difference between yea or nay! That will be the day when they have the knowledge to debate wisely and can say something nice to anyone who don't agree with them! Typical social misfits!!!
Anyway, have a good day and ciao!!
Well yea, I do agree Melbourne is now very much more cosmo than it was many years back, I was just there in 2008, and the Chinese food over there was pretty good. And yes, I was considering Melbourne as it is closer to Singapore.
However, opportunities beckoned, and here I am in USA, experiencing a totally different way of life.
A certain die-hard fan of the Singapore govt insisted that there are so many places to fly from Singapore and argued that life is just as good as other places. And he made rude remarks about Australia.
I, on the other hand, feel that it's so much more affordable to go anywhere in a big country. I go up north, there's Niagara Falls, Toronto, Vancouver, Seattle, Alaskan Cruise, down south to Florida and LA, Carribean, Bahamas, etc. And it's so much more affordable and convenient to travel, than to just keep taking a plane out of Singapore.
I am getting too bored with Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia for that matter, and will prefer a more convenient and more affordable location to see the world.
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Originally posted by Gattlinggun80:
Dear Mr. soul rag,
if you are able to build your own 4 man diesel powered submarines ...build factories and serious industries at that... then u can live anywhere in antarctica.
i am aware that u are not a practical person..........perhaps that is why u are still in singapore.i was forged from the fiery hell of singapore's industrial might that packs as much punch as the heavy weights in the usa and japan.The industrial technology transfer from what usa & japan into spore was complete unto me. my undying will was the start of it along with my adaptations to all enviroments possible. AND THAT IS WHY I AM ABLE TO DO AND GO PLACES .
IT AINT IMMATURE......more like mission impossible for u. it aint impossible for me with my know-how..its how well u have learnt in lifes own experience.even if im in spore........i wont be in sgforum........most likely an upheavel due to not much results from pap.if i died n failed in process.....i will be back!
As I can see, you do not read postings properly. As I mentioned, I am not in Singapore, and am enjoying another lifestyle somewhere else.
If you are a great inventer, I commend you for it. But i don't appreciate one-liner postings that were originally what you did. If you wish to live in Antartica, of course you may, but the discussion here is more about why you wish to leave Sg, and WHY you decided in whichever location you are in.
For me, I left Sg becoz of (1) the govt, (2) cost of living, (3) boredom, (4) retirement, and am here coz of (1) work opportunities, (2) superb work life balance, (3) living a life of more freedom, (4) retirement
Your previous one-liner posts do not give sufficient respect to forum members in this who are discussing the subject more seriously. You were also not respecting yourself, if you had given the thought of living in Antartica seriously.
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
I think you are not reading enough of my posts all these while. For people who have read enough, they know where I come from. But here's the thing, the ending sentence, which is part of the entire paragraph is to summarize a thought, and this thought is - Sinpaporeans are (on the whole) not culturally adaptable - nothing wrong there. If you wish to give me a lesson in English, please take this elsewhere. You are either having trouble understanding complex English or you are just not focussed on the subject matter and therefore, would take a sentence as a stand alone comment where it is actually part of a paragraph.
So "which sentence am I to believe?" you asked, well it is not important to me what you believe. If you really wanna know what I am saying, please invest more time and go through the posts to see where I stand. To take part of a paragraph and make conclusions about me is rude and kinda stupid - this is what I believe.
Actually, both of you guys should not fight over this.Frankly, I think the word "most" is pretty valid, not just in Singapore, and in other parts of the world.
Statistically, there are always more locals than foreigners in any given country, therefore, statistics would already imply that most locals in ANY country will always remain in their own country, be it whether it's because of the lack of adaptability, or opportunities, etc.
So in a sense, yes, I concede that most Singaporeans will remain in Singapore, but I would hesitate to provide the reasons as being due to culturally unadaptable.
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Originally posted by Iwanna Humpalot:
Dear Chelsea,
I'm interested to know the process and papers needed to become an Australian citizen or PR? Please enlighten. :)
I have done it already.It's a very intense process with lots of paperwork and evidence through documentation. It kinda weeds out those who have the steel to go thru the intense process, and those who are not determined enough.
If you are interested, pls go to http://www.immi.gov.au/immigration/
There are many different channels to apply for a PR in Australia. You just have to decide which one is the right one for you.
Also, bear in mind that Australia is shutting its doors tighter to immigrants (protecting their own people, unlike Singapore), so if you are interested, my suggestion is to start reading asap, because it takes months to even get your application submitted, and months to years for the processing to complete.
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"A certain die-hard fan of the Singapore govt"....hahahaha
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Actually, both of you guys should not fight over this.Frankly, I think the word "most" is pretty valid, not just in Singapore, and in other parts of the world.
Statistically, there are always more locals than foreigners in any given country, therefore, statistics would already imply that most locals in ANY country will always remain in their own country, be it whether it's because of the lack of adaptability, or opportunities, etc.
So in a sense, yes, I concede that most Singaporeans will remain in Singapore, but I would hesitate to provide the reasons as being due to culturally unadaptable.
Hey bro, I am a very peaceful person, but just dun like to deal with talks that are "any how". I am taking valuable time to contribute, and prefer well thought out comments. You know that. -
When u go US, Aus, the people there will see you like how we see the ah tiongs here
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Originally posted by Vader1337:
When u go US, Aus, the people there will see you like how we see the ah tiongs here
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
I think you are not reading enough of my posts all these while. For people who have read enough, they know where I come from. But here's the thing, the ending sentence, which is part of the entire paragraph is to summarize a thought, and this thought is - Sinpaporeans are (on the whole) not culturally adaptable - nothing wrong there. If you wish to give me a lesson in English, please take this elsewhere. You are either having trouble understanding complex English or you are just not focussed on the subject matter and therefore, would take a sentence as a stand alone comment where it is actually part of a paragraph.
So "which sentence am I to believe?" you asked, well it is not important to me what you believe. If you really wanna know what I am saying, please invest more time and go through the posts to see where I stand. To take part of a paragraph and make conclusions about me is rude and kinda stupid - this is what I believe.
Dear fellow, I have read enough of this thread to remember this:
Originally posted by soul_rage:You will have to agree, coz that term MUST be corrected.
It's not a matter of English. It's more a matter of people understanding what you are trying to convey.
Standard of living is the ease (or difficulty) by which people living in a country satisfy their want.
Cost of living is the cost of maintaining a certain standard of living.
By all means, what you were trying to convey was about the cost of living.
My CFO once made an English glaring mistake, by using the word "oversight", over "oversee" in a global publication. I had a friend who used "entrails" over "entails"
Slight difference in spelling, miles of difference in meanings.
It's not the first time you've fallen back on the "let's not make this an English issue" excuse.
What you have done here is start with "most of" and ended with a general "we". Since the point of reference changes, how, by the end of the sentence, can we say for certain if you are talking about most Singaporeans (denoted obviously by "most") or all Singaporeans (denoted by the sweeping "we")?
It would be incredibly short-sighted to take this sentence in isolation, since it could well be brought up in later conversation. What happens then? If someone objects to the sentence in general, would you say, as you already have, "but I was only talking about most Singaporeans"? If someone disagrees that Singaporeans are culturally unadaptable, would you fall back on this sentence, switch frames of reference and insist that "we" are culturally unadaptable? On these grounds that statement would be invalid since each end could apply to diametrically opposed purposes.
How can your post be well thought out if your frame of reference shifts from one end of a sentence to another? As with soul_rage's earlier objection, it's not a simple matter of English - the meaning of the sentence at both ends is different.
Now I'm taking you at your word when you say that you want well thought out comments, and on that point we're on the same page here. However, is it fair that you demand that of other people when you don't practice that yourself?
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Actually, both of you guys should not fight over this.Frankly, I think the word "most" is pretty valid, not just in Singapore, and in other parts of the world.
Statistically, there are always more locals than foreigners in any given country, therefore, statistics would already imply that most locals in ANY country will always remain in their own country, be it whether it's because of the lack of adaptability, or opportunities, etc.
So in a sense, yes, I concede that most Singaporeans will remain in Singapore, but I would hesitate to provide the reasons as being due to culturally unadaptable.
No arguments there at all, soul_rage. You have kept the frame of reference consistent throughout your post, and in addition acknowledged that cultural unadaptability is not the only possible cause.
Now THAT is a well thought out post.
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antarctica.............too far and meant for the tougher ones.
singapore............might as well be in mongolia.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Dear fellow, I have read enough of this thread to remember this:
It's not the first time you've fallen back on the "let's not make this an English issue" excuse.
What you have done here is start with "most of" and ended with a general "we". Since the point of reference changes, how, by the end of the sentence, can we say for certain if you are talking about most Singaporeans (denoted obviously by "most") or all Singaporeans (denoted by the sweeping "we")?
It would be incredibly short-sighted to take this sentence in isolation, since it could well be brought up in later conversation. What happens then? If someone objects to the sentence in general, would you say, as you already have, "but I was only talking about most Singaporeans"? If someone disagrees that Singaporeans are culturally unadaptable, would you fall back on this sentence, switch frames of reference and insist that "we" are culturally unadaptable? On these grounds that statement would be invalid since each end could apply to diametrically opposed purposes.
How can your post be well thought out if your frame of reference shifts from one end of a sentence to another? As with soul_rage's earlier objection, it's not a simple matter of English - the meaning of the sentence at both ends is different.
Now I'm taking you at your word when you say that you want well thought out comments, and on that point we're on the same page here. However, is it fair that you demand that of other people when you don't practice that yourself?
I thought your approach to my posts looked familiar! You may wish to know you are probably the only one who takes my posts that way, and miss the message behind behind the somewhat "inconsistent" choice of terms or expressions. If you are so detailed, I wonder why you could not catch my message all these while? And is it a problem when most people understand what I say and not you, apparently? Who's problem is that?
If you dun mind, can we re-direct our attention to the discussion? In REAL life, if you are sitting in a meeting with that kinda approach, correcting this and that person's English, I can assure you that you will not be invited in again.
Do you understand what I am saying? (hope no spelling mistake or sentence structure problem here? But hey, what do I know?)
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
Hi,
Just to clarify a few things:
- I have always made it clear Singapore is my choice and may not be everybody's choice;
- I have always encouraged exploration to understand, instead of reading "passively" about what the media reports about various places that look good, and take things at face value - I was worried for some people here;
- I remain that Singapore is the best place for most Singaporeans because I don't see them settling down successfully in other countries - not because of competency or attitude towards work - but because we are culturally unadpatable;
- Most importantly, I wish all Singaporeans will make the best out of their situation, instead of complaining endlessly like loosers do (obviously if you don't have the nack of complaining, this message is not for you). We complaint too much, and this is the impression we give to other countries.
I do visit Singapore 5-6 times a year, and I still have my apartment, relatives and friends there. I am also a member (and founding member) of a large Singaporean soccer team in Shanghai. So I am in touch with issues back home. But the time spent away from home has given me other perspectives, that sometimes, it takes time to find the right audience.
In this forum, I have enjoyed exchanges with Atobe & soul_rage, and a few others, but I cannot remember their avatars or names since they have not written in for some time. Sorry guys/ gals.
Hello Lionoasis, I think your statement here is a bit unclear.
- "I remain that Singapore is the best place for most Singaporeans because I don't see them settling down successfully in other countries - not because of competency or attitude towards work - but because we are culturally unadpatable; "
What do your "most Singaporean" refers? to those Singaporean who cannot "settle down successfully in other countries", they therefore find Singapore the best place? then the "all" Singaporean only refers to those who have ventured to live overseas.
If the "all " Singaporeans refer to the Singaporean citizens, resident locally or temporarily outside, then those who have found their new home in other countries, and have given up Singaporean citizenship are not part of this. and you need no statistic (just a little brain) to tell you that "most " Singaporean are comfortably living in Singapore, whether this is the best place or not.
I don't think it is right to say that we don't migrate, or those who choose to return are "cultural unadaptable". The conditions for cultural adaptability differs from country to country, the need for cultural assimilation also varies.
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most countries shut down n cut down immigration.............oz now takes 2 years to approve of a temp visa....somewhere on that line.......refer to oz immigration website for latest.
usa..............much longer.
planet earth is now a very hard place to immigrate from country to country.even u got 10 million dollars it will still be hard to immigrate.......even if u were lky or some big shot minister its still hard to immigrate to another country now.but its ok if ya a tourist hoping between country to country.
looks like everything is stuck for the next few years.
dun have choice now.got money or degree also cannot immigrate anywhere now.
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:If you dun mind, can we re-direct our attention to the discussion? In REAL life, if you are sitting in a meeting with that kinda approach, correcting this and that person's English, I can assure you that you will not be invited in again.
Are you now presuming to tell me what real life is?
In REAL life, CEOs and other executives base multimillion-dollar decisions and form government policies based upon information that I provide to them. If I don't apply this degree of precision to my message, then I won't be invited again. But that's just my professional environment. I'd like to hear how you can justify being so sloppy about communication as to corrupt the message under any circumstances.
I have a real problem with you playing fast and loose with what you say, and then talking out the other side of your mouth and asking other people for well-thought-out posts without returning the courtesy. That's just plain rude, and a sure sign that you're playing to your own agenda rather than objectively asking for people's input as you've claimed to do.
You state that your aim is to get other people to share their experiences of living overseas, but then you proceed to tell everyone about how your experiences lead to your conclusion that there's no better place to stay than Singapore, with little if any regard to what other people have written if it doesn't fit your agenda.
Sorry to spoil your little party here, but that's just rubbish and a clear case of intellectual dishonesty. Don't go asking for well-thought-out posts - ask for only posts that fit your world view. At least that way you'll be honest.