If you are leaving Singapore, where will you go?!
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In the end most will stay SG...but it will be interesting to see 50% leaving within 3years
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life goes on
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Hi All,
Just happen to be in Singapore vacationing...visited the two casinos, and they are quite nice - albeit they have done a rush job - the atmosphere is still good though. So now there is another reason to stick around - gambling is much easier liao!
I know some people think it is a bad idea, but look, we needed more stimulus to our economy, more growth sectors, and these resorts make Singapore more fun. Personally I think it has been a good idea.
Enjoy life and please remember Singapore is your home if you are a Singaporean, and for new immigrants, I welcome you if you are the value-adding FT.
Cheers!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
Hi All,
Just happen to be in Singapore vacationing...visited the two casinos, and they are quite nice - albeit they have done a rush job - the atmosphere is still good though. So now there is another reason to stick around - gambling is much easier liao!
I know some people think it is a bad idea, but look, we needed more stimulus to our economy, more growth sectors, and these resorts make Singapore more fun. Personally I think it has been a good idea.
Enjoy life and please remember Singapore is your home if you are a Singaporean, and for new immigrants, I welcome you if you are the value-adding FT.
Cheers!!!!!!!!
Thank you.....Thank you for the Tourism Dollars to help Stimulating Sg economy....
Sheldon Adelson was quoted in the Paper saying
"the city-state founder's projection of three to seven years to fill the resort was "too pessimistic," according to the media reports.
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
Hi All,
Just happen to be in Singapore vacationing...visited the two casinos, and they are quite nice - albeit they have done a rush job - the atmosphere is still good though. So now there is another reason to stick around - gambling is much easier liao!
I know some people think it is a bad idea, but look, we needed more stimulus to our economy, more growth sectors, and these resorts make Singapore more fun. Personally I think it has been a good idea.
Enjoy life and please remember Singapore is your home if you are a Singaporean, and for new immigrants, I welcome you if you are the value-adding FT.
Cheers!!!!!!!!
Personally I am fine with it (coz I don't gamble), but not sure how you would think if you put yourself in the shoes of a family where they have compulsive gamblers.
Then again, I wonder aloud if the IRs can survive. The litmus test will be after the hype and novelty has died off
On my point of view, I will most definitely drop in to visit those 2 when I get back to SG next year.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Personally I am fine with it (coz I don't gamble), but not sure how you would think if you put yourself in the shoes of a family where they have compulsive gamblers.
Then again, I wonder aloud if the IRs can survive. The litmus test will be after the hype and novelty has died off
On my point of view, I will most definitely drop in to visit those 2 when I get back to SG next year.
Compulsive gamblers will always find ways to gamble, with or without the casinos. Think there is a way for family members to blacklist these compulsive gamblers with the two casinos and no access will be granted to the latter - but I doubt this will really stop them.
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
Compulsive gamblers will always find ways to gamble, with or without the casinos. Think there is a way for family members to blacklist these compulsive gamblers with the two casinos and no access will be granted to the latter - but I doubt this will really stop them.
Convenience is almost always the vital key to many aspects of life.Making things convenient almost always result in increase in business.
Shops with the most convenient locations are always charged the most.
The food court at wisma atria, was a never-do-well, and in many occasions, the operators gave up. Until some smart guy did the simplest thing possible. Building an escalator that goes directly from the first level to the top level where the food court is located. Now, the entire place is filled up.
Convenience. Something I learnt from my experience.
Same for gambling. If it costs time and $$$ to get up to Genting, it reduces the no. of times a compulsive gambler can get up there. Now? It's only a 20 min trip to the casinos.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Convenience is almost always the vital key to many aspects of life.Making things convenient almost always result in increase in business.
Shops with the most convenient locations are always charged the most.
The food court at wisma atria, was a never-do-well, and in many occasions, the operators gave up. Until some smart guy did the simplest thing possible. Building an escalator that goes directly from the first level to the top level where the food court is located. Now, the entire place is filled up.
Convenience. Something I learnt from my experience.
Same for gambling. If it costs time and $$$ to get up to Genting, it reduces the no. of times a compulsive gambler can get up there. Now? It's only a 20 min trip to the casinos.
Hi,
I hear you.....Casinos do make gambling easier but if people gamble out of convenience, I personally will not worry about them, as they are not real gamblers. I have been to the Sands and Resort World a few times, and I have not once stepped into the Casinos...what does it say?
I was refering to hard core gamblers, and they would find ways to gamble, 4D, Toto, Star Cruises, Sports betting, even Mahjong.... If people want to gamble they gamble, if they do not like gambling, like me, they don't step in. The Casinos do not make the gambling problems worse or better than what it is...fundamentally speaking.
On a seperate note...
I remember many years ago when the government was saying Casino's were bad because of this and that reason, and Singaporeans were complaining the government was being too "motherly"; and now, we have people saying they should manage the gambling issue. People always have something to say...
End of day, people need to manage themselves. I have repeatedly mentioned throughout this forum that people should not look to our government for solutions, this is one of them.
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
Hi,
I hear you.....Casinos do make gambling easier but if people gamble out of convenience, I personally will not worry about them, as they are not real gamblers. I have been to the Sands and Resort World a few times, and I have not once stepped into the Casinos...what does it say?
I was refering to hard core gamblers, and they would find ways to gamble, 4D, Toto, Star Cruises, Sports betting, even Mahjong.... If people want to gamble they gamble, if they do not like gambling, like me, they don't step in. The Casinos do not make the gambling problems worse or better than what it is...fundamentally speaking.
On a seperate note...
I remember many years ago when the government was saying Casino's were bad because of this and that reason, and Singaporeans were complaining the government was being too "motherly"; and now, we have people saying they should manage the gambling issue. People always have something to say...
End of day, people need to manage themselves. I have repeatedly mentioned throughout this forum that people should not look to our government for solutions, this is one of them.
2 things I wish to highlight
There's the compulsive gamblers (cannot be saved)
And then, there's the boundary compulsory gamblers (close to becoming one, making it more convenient will push them off the edge).
There's also a huge difference between 4D, Toto versus the casinos. I think you should know what I mean. Casinos have more 'kick' for gamblers.
Secondly, in other countries, casinos are usually centralized into specific areas. Look at USA, Korea, Malaysia, Macau, and you can see that being the case. One probable reason is not to make it too convenient for people to gamble, and the other is also to manage the vices that come with casinos better.
For Singapore, we don't have the luxury. That means that the population have to cope with the vices and convenience that come with the proximity of the casinos. It remains to be seen if we can handle it appropriately. After all, we seemed to be the 1st country that is so small, to open casinos (not 1, but 2). The consequences of doing so cannot be found going back into history.
We can just keep our fingers crossed.
I understand you are very positive about Singapore, but the above, you have to admit, are not unfounded risks that I am raising.
And, end of the day, this is not about whether we are a nanny state, but whether its the right thing to do for a country that is so small.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
2 things I wish to highlight
There's the compulsive gamblers (cannot be saved)
And then, there's the boundary compulsory gamblers (close to becoming one, making it more convenient will push them off the edge).
There's also a huge difference between 4D, Toto versus the casinos. I think you should know what I mean. Casinos have more 'kick' for gamblers.
Secondly, in other countries, casinos are usually centralized into specific areas. Look at USA, Korea, Malaysia, Macau, and you can see that being the case. One probable reason is not to make it too convenient for people to gamble, and the other is also to manage the vices that come with casinos better.
For Singapore, we don't have the luxury. That means that the population have to cope with the vices and convenience that come with the proximity of the casinos. It remains to be seen if we can handle it appropriately. After all, we seemed to be the 1st country that is so small, to open casinos (not 1, but 2). The consequences of doing so cannot be found going back into history.
We can just keep our fingers crossed.
I understand you are very positive about Singapore, but the above, you have to admit, are not unfounded risks that I am raising.
And, end of the day, this is not about whether we are a nanny state, but whether its the right thing to do for a country that is so small.
Hi Soul_rage,
Our country is small and therefore we need more angles for growth and global positioning. Casinos should not be seen purely as a moral issue, there is a bigger picture to it. Our two IR's play an important role in Spore's future.
I really do not see any point in making the Casinos isolated and inconvenient. Why? First of al Singapore is small - as you have mentioned earlier - how isolated can it be? Secondly, simple economics will tell us that investments need to be recovered soonest possible and given the global situation these days, no developer will build something this nice and operate in the red so that they can weed out the borderline gamblers.
Granted there will be cosmetic influence on the gambling hype in Singapore in the short term, but over the long run, gamblers are gamblers and non-gamblers stay away! Trust me!
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
Hi Soul_rage,
Our country is small and therefore we need more angles for growth and global positioning. Casinos should not be seen purely as a moral issue, there is a bigger picture to it. Our two IR's play an important role in Spore's future.
I really do not see any point in making the Casinos isolated and inconvenient. Why? First of al Singapore is small - as you have mentioned earlier - how isolated can it be? Secondly, simple economics will tell us that investments need to be recovered soonest possible and given the global situation these days, no developer will build something this nice and operate in the red so that they can weed out the borderline gamblers.
Granted there will be cosmetic influence on the gambling hype in Singapore in the short term, but over the long run, gamblers are gamblers and non-gamblers stay away! Trust me!
Well, I have to politely disagree.
I also noted that you did not take note of my point, that we are the FIRST small country to build casinos, and therefore, unlike other countries, where they could isolate casinos to minimize the negative impacts, we CANNOT.
There are no historical lessons that we can learn of the potential consequences of casinos to a very small country. We are the FIRST. We can only keep our fingers crossed that this will not result in negative consequences to Singapore. Already my parents are telling me that there is increased crime in Singapore.
Secondly, I also disagree that just because Singaporeans say no casino, equals that we want a nanny state. The decision to open casinos is not a straightforward decision, and therefore should have gone to a vote. Instead, the govt did some 'wayang' thing about asking us about our opinions, and when there were many disagreements to that, still went ahead with it anyway. You weren't around when that fiasco happened, so I feel you are being unfair to Singaporeans by your statement.
Finally, you are incorrect to say that gamblers are gamblers. Are you telling me that a baby born immediately has gambling instincts? The fact remains that even compulsive gamblers were once innocent kids, and something happened in their lives that caused them to become compulsive gamblers. Increasing convenience equals increasing the probability of increased exposure to non-gambling people, who may end up going in to try, and end up becoming gamblers themselves.
Frankly, I think you are taking it too lightly the matter of convenience. I have seen so many businesses suffer/prosper because of convenience.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Well, I have to politely disagree.
I also noted that you did not take note of my point, that we are the FIRST small country to build casinos, and therefore, unlike other countries, where they could isolate casinos to minimize the negative impacts, we CANNOT.
There are no historical lessons that we can learn of the potential consequences of casinos to a very small country. We are the FIRST. We can only keep our fingers crossed that this will not result in negative consequences to Singapore. Already my parents are telling me that there is increased crime in Singapore.
Secondly, I also disagree that just because Singaporeans say no casino, equals that we want a nanny state. The decision to open casinos is not a straightforward decision, and therefore should have gone to a vote. Instead, the govt did some 'wayang' thing about asking us about our opinions, and when there were many disagreements to that, still went ahead with it anyway. You weren't around when that fiasco happened, so I feel you are being unfair to Singaporeans by your statement.
Finally, you are incorrect to say that gamblers are gamblers. Are you telling me that a baby born immediately has gambling instincts? The fact remains that even compulsive gamblers were once innocent kids, and something happened in their lives that caused them to become compulsive gamblers. Increasing convenience equals increasing the probability of increased exposure to non-gambling people, who may end up going in to try, and end up becoming gamblers themselves.
Frankly, I think you are taking it too lightly the matter of convenience. I have seen so many businesses suffer/prosper because of convenience.
Hi soul_rage,
The IR's (mainly the casinos) is a strategic consideration and decision, and as are all decisions of this magnitude, one needs to understand there will be pros and cons. I am not saying IR's do not produce problems, but as our country embark on the long journey of reconstructing our nation's future, side effects are anticipated and dealt with.
NO Casinos will ever be isolated, they never will be either in a large or small country, FIRST or LAST. Look at Las Vagas, it was in the middle of a desert (far far away from civilisation....) a few decades ago, and look at what it is today? Human nature and the law of economics my friend. And when I say economics, I do not mean the recovery of investments for the developers/ investors, I refer to the overall impact of the two IR's -financially, job opportunities, the private banking sector, tourism spin-offs, attraction of FT's.... etc. Albeit, there are always negatives amongst positives.
Most Singaporeans said "Yes" to casinos btw..., and from what I have heard at ground zero, I have NOT seen one negative feedback. Though I am sure there will be.
When I said "gamblers are gamblers" I was refering to the hardcore ones that you said they were "hopeless" cases yourself. Yes, some borderline ones could be converted, but this is just a natural phenomenon of a new addition to our entertainment infrastructure. Are the increased crimes that you mentioned directly linked to the casinos? I dun think so, but hey, vice is vice.
We really should look at the situation in its entirety not just one side of it. I remain positive on the two IR's.
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
Hi soul_rage,
The IR's (mainly the casinos) is a strategic consideration and decision, and as are all decisions of this magnitude, one needs to understand there will be pros and cons. I am not saying IR's do not produce problems, but as our country embark on the long journey of reconstructing our nation's future, side effects are anticipated and dealt with.
NO Casinos will ever be isolated, they never will be either in a large or small country, FIRST or LAST. Look at Las Vagas, it was in the middle of a desert (far far away from civilisation....) a few decades ago, and look at what it is today? Human nature and the law of economics my friend. And when I say economics, I do not mean the recovery of investments for the developers/ investors, I refer to the overall impact of the two IR's -financially, job opportunities, the private banking sector, tourism spin-offs, attraction of FT's.... etc. Albeit, there are always negatives amongst positives.
Most Singaporeans said "Yes" to casinos btw..., and from what I have heard at ground zero, I have NOT seen one negative feedback. Though I am sure there will be.
When I said "gamblers are gamblers" I was refering to the hardcore ones that you said they were "hopeless" cases yourself. Yes, some borderline ones could be converted, but this is just a natural phenomenon of a new addition to our entertainment infrastructure. Are the increased crimes that you mentioned directly linked to the casinos? I dun think so, but hey, vice is vice.
We really should look at the situation in its entirety not just one side of it. I remain positive on the two IR's.
How do you define Most Singaporeans said "Yes" by the way? From the newspapers or?
Coz from ground zero, which I doubt is any smaller than yours, many I heard are against the idea.
I am NOT saying that IR is right or wrong, but you yourself aren't being fair to Singaporeans by saying that if we do not want casinos, means we want to be nannied.
The point is, if it's so much of a strategic importance, why not put it to a vote? Or are you as afraid as the govt, that the people will not agree with the standpoint of having the IRs? Or are you going to say that strategic things should not go through a vote, because the govt knows better? Isn't that the very same thing you are talking about, that we are being nannied coz the govt is too afraid for us to make our decisions that it might be against what they want?
Vegas was created out of a desert, true. It was created with the concept of consolidating casino operations over there. It was NOT built within an existing city. That's why it became Sin City. Would we want all forms of related vices to casinos to be too near to our loved ones? If not managed properly, will the IRs result in the degradation of an already established society?
Are jobs necessarily going to Singaporeans, or did you never read about news articles stating that we were employing more filipinos than Singaporeans, one most notably from the Filipino president herself that 10,000 jobs were for filipinos?
And, am I looking at it from one side of it? Or is it yourself who is precisely doing what you are saying I am doing? Coz you are overly positive, and you are simply dismissing all the risks that I am talking about here.
To recreate, must we only go down the casino route, or are there other ways of recreating Singapore? In the blind pursuit of economic growth, are we simply looking for the easiest way out, just as how our immature businesses take the easiest way out by employing cheap labor?
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
How do you define Most Singaporeans said "Yes" by the way? From the newspapers or?
Coz from ground zero, which I doubt is any smaller than yours, many I heard are against the idea.
I am NOT saying that IR is right or wrong, but you yourself aren't being fair to Singaporeans by saying that if we do not want casinos, means we want to be nannied.
The point is, if it's so much of a strategic importance, why not put it to a vote? Or are you as afraid as the govt, that the people will not agree with the standpoint of having the IRs? Or are you going to say that strategic things should not go through a vote, because the govt knows better? Isn't that the very same thing you are talking about, that we are being nannied coz the govt is too afraid for us to make our decisions that it might be against what they want?
Vegas was created out of a desert, true. It was created with the concept of consolidating casino operations over there. It was NOT built within an existing city. That's why it became Sin City. Would we want all forms of related vices to casinos to be too near to our loved ones? If not managed properly, will the IRs result in the degradation of an already established society?
Are jobs necessarily going to Singaporeans, or did you never read about news articles stating that we were employing more filipinos than Singaporeans, one most notably from the Filipino president herself that 10,000 jobs were for filipinos?
And, am I looking at it from one side of it? Or is it yourself who is precisely doing what you are saying I am doing? Coz you are overly positive, and you are simply dismissing all the risks that I am talking about here.
To recreate, must we only go down the casino route, or are there other ways of recreating Singapore? In the blind pursuit of economic growth, are we simply looking for the easiest way out, just as how our immature businesses take the easiest way out by employing cheap labor?
Hi soul_rage,
I can see where this is going so I will just say the following to summarize my points:
- there are always pros and cos in every situation;
- our government is not perfect but I really do not believe the policies and decisions made thus far are designed to short change Singaporeans - most voters are gonna be Singaporeans - do the math;
- Your ground zero could be completely different to mine (since we get totally different responses);
- I never said ney sayers to casinos wanted to be nannied (I only said people always had something to say in whatever situation);
- Casino is but one way to create growth, so it is decided and created, let's embrace it. Look at the number of countries and cities with casinos, like Sydney, Monte Carlo, Atlanta, London, Seoul etc., are they still enjoying good ratings for the most livable cities on the globe? Two casinos don't kill a nation - get some perspective.
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Originally posted by Lionoasis:
Hi soul_rage,
I can see where this is going so I will just say the following to summarize my points:
- there are always pros and cos in every situation;
- our government is not perfect but I really do not believe the policies and decisions made thus far are designed to short change Singaporeans - most voters are gonna be Singaporeans - do the math;
- Your ground zero could be completely different to mine (since we get totally different responses);
- I never said ney sayers to casinos wanted to be nannied (I only said people always had something to say in whatever situation);
- Casino is but one way to create growth, so it is decided and created, let's embrace it. Look at the number of countries and cities with casinos, like Sydney, Monte Carlo, Atlanta, London, Seoul etc., are they still enjoying good ratings for the most livable cities on the globe? Two casinos don't kill a nation - get some perspective.
Since we cannot agree (and anyway we have always agreed to disagree), let me summarize my points to emphasize that you should get an alternate perspective.
- To be honest (not meant to be offensive), you have not lived in Singapore like I did when the decision on the IRs was made. Therefore you have not seen the way they made the decision on this. Where was the decision by the people? It's again the govt deciding everything. You cannot thus blame Singaporeans about us being a nanny state
- Two, Sydney, Monte Carlo, etc, are cities, NOT a country. There is still a difference between that. Get that perspective right. And in no way did I say that the casinos will kill the country. I am just talking about the negative impacts that come with it, whether it is worth it.
- Three, I think you still do not understand the foreign policies that ARE shortchanging our people. Look at the number of foreign labor in our midst. You aren't living in Singapore for a long time. Do you know that the salaries of starting grads have stagnated for the last few years, if not even gone down? My wife has also said that for the past 10 years, she has seen that Singapore, as a clean and green society, is going downhill
All in all, I just find it unacceptable when you said that the policies they made do not shortchange Singaporeans.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
Since we cannot agree (and anyway we have always agreed to disagree), let me summarize my points to emphasize that you should get an alternate perspective.
- To be honest (not meant to be offensive), you have not lived in Singapore like I did when the decision on the IRs was made. Therefore you have not seen the way they made the decision on this. Where was the decision by the people? It's again the govt deciding everything. You cannot thus blame Singaporeans about us being a nanny state
- Two, Sydney, Monte Carlo, etc, are cities, NOT a country. There is still a difference between that. Get that perspective right. And in no way did I say that the casinos will kill the country. I am just talking about the negative impacts that come with it, whether it is worth it.
- Three, I think you still do not understand the foreign policies that ARE shortchanging our people. Look at the number of foreign labor in our midst. You aren't living in Singapore for a long time. Do you know that the salaries of starting grads have stagnated for the last few years, if not even gone down? My wife has also said that for the past 10 years, she has seen that Singapore, as a clean and green society, is going downhill
All in all, I just find it unacceptable when you said that the policies they made do not shortchange Singaporeans.
Hi Soul_rage,
Thanks for your opinion. Ok then...I guess we can try to make it better beyond this forum.
- To be honest (not meant to be offensive), you have not lived in Singapore like I did when the decision on the IRs was made. Therefore you have not seen the way they made the decision on this. Where was the decision by the people? It's again the govt deciding everything. You cannot thus blame Singaporeans about us being a nanny state
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Hello everyone!
I noticed that rat bag of a whinger (I think you all know who I meant) is gone from this forum!! Thought I'll add my two cents worth to the debate if it's OK!?
Anyway, in regards to the latest topic between you guys, I'm more incline to agree with Soul Rage's point of view!
I don't know if you remember my first contribution here Lion Oasis!!?? But that was once upon a time............. anyway, I left Singapore in the early 70s and settled down in Australia. I established myself very well and only been back to Singapore twice after all these years away. And that was for my mother's funeral!!
I don't miss Singapore because I don't like the life the Singapore government has "forced" upon me to lead!! There are many factors which I find impossible to point out at this moment, but I can tell you that if I were to remain there and not make a move, I will never be able to establish myself to the way of life I'm leading now!
I own my property for many years now, my car......my everything!! I don't owe the bank or any one a single cent!! I have enough in my bank account to last me till I leave this world and pass on all that's left to my nieces!! One, I sponsored and living here and the other is still in Singapore, waiting till she's ready to migrate!!
There are many aspects I agree totally with Soul Rage, too many to debate in one go!!
Hope all's well and take special care!!
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Originally posted by Chelsea 1 71:
Hello everyone!
I noticed that rat bag of a whinger (I think you all know who I meant) is gone from this forum!! Thought I'll add my two cents worth to the debate if it's OK!?
Anyway, in regards to the latest topic between you guys, I'm more incline to agree with Soul Rage's point of view!
I don't know if you remember my first contribution here Lion Oasis!!?? But that was once upon a time............. anyway, I left Singapore in the early 70s and settled down in Australia. I established myself very well and only been back to Singapore twice after all these years away. And that was for my mother's funeral!!
I don't miss Singapore because I don't like the life the Singapore government has "forced" upon me to lead!! There are many factors which I find impossible to point out at this moment, but I can tell you that if I were to remain there and not make a move, I will never be able to establish myself to the way of life I'm leading now!
I own my property for many years now, my car......my everything!! I don't owe the bank or any one a single cent!! I have enough in my bank account to last me till I leave this world and pass on all that's left to my nieces!! One, I sponsored and living here and the other is still in Singapore, waiting till she's ready to migrate!!
There are many aspects I agree totally with Soul Rage, too many to debate in one go!!
Hope all's well and take special care!!
Hi Chelsea,
Sorry to hear about your mother, I am sure she is happy in heaven looking down at your fulfilling life in Australia.
No problem at all, this forum is for all to participate and voice their views or concerns. I take a slightly different view becuase of my approach in life, and I am sure we all have different sets of value systems. Both you and soul_rage choose to stay away from Singapore and I choose to return home - so there!!
Are you writing from Aus at the moment?
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Lionoasis, i like you, Atobe and Stevenson style of writing/point of view!
If South Korea - ji zhou, Japan - 4 Pefectures , Taiwan - peng hu, Malaysia - JB and Tahiland - Bangkok all decided and confirmed to build(more) casinos to earn tourists monies, what would happened to our 2 casions?
We need more innovation breakthrough!
One example would be South Korea Hyundai.The next thing, we are facing in the future are not just energy shortage but food shortage!
We needed high tech to solve future food shortage. In case, another bird flu outbreak, blah, blah, blah occurred.
Due to climate change, other countries also might/would cut their export of foods to us. ExampleDrought threatens global rice supply
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LG02Ae01.html
Other rice export countries would just raise up rice prices.
Water shortage no longer pose a threat to us.
Cheers.
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chelsea immigrated in 1970s....lets say shes 25 at that time... its over 40 years past already so she should by right have everything and 5 cars at most in oz.
though her contributions and past efforts might be minimal to spore she has contributed to herself as opposed to what she would have gotten in spore.
however people like eagle imagines oz to be a farm with slaves from asia .see,,,,,chelsea isnt a slave and has her very own mansion and a few cars.....however her leaving her parents behind in spore dont exactly sound like its from an asian culture or love of family.
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Originally posted by Terminator Hitman:
Chelsea immigrated in 1970s....lets say shes 25 at that time... its over 40 years past already so she should by right have everything and 5 cars at most in oz.
though her contributions and past efforts might be minimal to spore she has contributed to herself as opposed to what she would have gotten in spore.
however people like eagle imagines oz to be a farm with slaves from asia .see,,,,,chelsea isnt a slave and has her very own mansion and a few cars.....
She isn't a slave. The way she talks sounds much more cultured and learned.
You are on the other extreme. You can't even distinguish what is the meaning of generalisation and logical fallacies.
So of course you went there to be her slave
You are just trying so hard to prove you are not -
Expo 2010 – Singapore Pavilion A Big Letdown
Dear Temasek Review,
I like to share with your readers my recent visit to the Singapore Pavilion at the Expo 2010 in Shanghai. Like at all the major pavilions there, I had no plan to join in the long queue formed outside the music-box-like two-story structure, spending hours waiting to get in just for a few minutes of experience it offered. However, after having read some negative feedback about it, I was curious to see for myself how bad it could be when the exterior was quite cosmetically appealing.Upon entering the pavilion on the ground floor, I was shocked to be greeted by the sight of stack upon stack of cartons lining up along the walkway leading to the main hall. Initially, I thought they were part of the decorations but upon closer look, I realized they were not. Apparently, the walkway had been turned into a temporary holding area! It was an eye sore that did injustice to the millions of dollars pumped into building the pavilion.
The main hall featured some simple activities for visitors that were boring and disappointing. These include jumping on mini trampolines in line with some rhythms to trigger music, and capturing projected images on hand held paper fans distributed free to visitors, activities that were reminiscent of those at the Singapore Science Center I visited in my early school days.
Very quickly boredom drove me to find my way to the 2nd floor reached by a spiraled ramp where hordes of visitors were queuing up. I joined in without a clue to what I was lining up for at the upper level. Statistics of Singapore adorning the wall on one side of the steep ramp and corporate advertising boards hanging above kept all in the queue accompanied. One interesting set of statistics that caught my attention showed our population density to have doubled in under 40 years to over 7,000 per square km in 2009. Is this 7,000 figure – that ranks Singapore as the world’s third most densely populated country – meant to be an achievement the country is proud of to showcase to the world? I thought otherwise.
Finally the 20-minute wait was over and I found myself stepping into a dimly lighted movie hall where I had to maneuver my way around many small arm chairs and stools strewn across the floor. I found myself one such mini arm chair right at the back of the theater that turned out to be a mini Osim massage chair to my delight. However, just when I was fidgeting around looking for the switch to turn it on to sooth my aching legs and body, the audience were told not to operate them, without any reason given!The movie soon came on and it was a music video clip featuring our 4 famous homegrown singers belting out the pavilion theme song against a backdrop of Singapore. The screen was so low due to the restricted ceiling height of the hall that those at the rear had their views largely blocked by those in front.
When the MV ended, we were ushered out via the rooftop garden landscaped with what else Singapore Orchids and palm tress, that was even less impressive than that of the Buddha Tooth Relic Temple in Chinatown in both size and landscaping, not to mention other mega rooftop gardens featured in other pavilions at the Expo.
Oh by the way, the Durian boy mascot was nowhere in sight except in the form of small soft toys sold at the counter. It looked indeed really ugly!
The overall experience in the Singapore pavilion was a big letdown though not a surprise, and certainly did not deserve the 2 hours of wait. Fortunately for me, I managed to negotiate with a local security officer manning a side entrance to let me in without the need to queue, by flashing my Singapore IC to identify my nationality otherwise I would not have bothered with even a 5-minute wait having heard previous negative feedback and not having any sense of national pride in our pavilion.
A Singaporen In Shanghai
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One thing we can learn from these.
All are perceptions.These are all perceptions of quality of life.
Some people are happy with a place where it's bustling with life, and thrive extremely well in such situations.
Some people are unhappy with such a place, and prefer a quieter countryside, where they will thrive extremely well.
Different people have different needs, and have different talents, so different places and environments are present in this world for us to choose.
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Originally posted by SANTA CLAUSE:Lionoasis, i like you, Atobe and Stevenson style of writing/point of view!
If South Korea - ji zhou, Japan - 4 Pefectures , Taiwan - peng hu, Malaysia - JB and Tahiland - Bangkok all decided and confirmed to build(more) casinos to earn tourists monies, what would happened to our 2 casions?
We need more innovation breakthrough!
One example would be South Korea Hyundai.The next thing, we are facing in the future are not just energy shortage but food shortage!
We needed high tech to solve future food shortage. In case, another bird flu outbreak, blah, blah, blah occurred.
Due to climate change, other countries also might/would cut their export of foods to us. ExampleDrought threatens global rice supply
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LG02Ae01.html
Other rice export countries would just raise up rice prices.
Water shortage no longer pose a threat to us.
Cheers.
Hi Santa,
Thanks for your approval!
I guess it is beautiful that Singaporeans (and those interested in sharing their views) around the world can have a domain to share. Yeah, sometimes there are disagreements, but if everyone can speak sensibly, we always learn something.
The Singapore Pavillion at Expo 2010 is really crap, so much so that SM Goh would pass comments like "there is always room for improvement" and "public opinion is always welcome". I can share with you from an "insider" point of view that there was not enough budget - and how can this happen????!!!!! The STPB (the department in charge I suppose - please correct me if I am wrong) should have done more canvassing or get more direct funding. This is an important platform to shwocase Singapore and this is the best we can do?
We screwed up major I am afraid....
