pride dun mean ego big big...low self esteem people can be proud...actually dats y low self esteem.Originally posted by Congenial:yeah Yunhaier, the Pisces thing I think is quite true..not too sure though..
no, its not about pride thing or wad..
i dont have any ego or pride etc, and i always think that others are much better than me..much much better.
and the way im coping with this, its really mentally draining and painfull..arrgg![]()
Thanks, personally I been through that phase, and I realised that if you want to be accepted, it has to start from within. The moment I finished secondary school I decided to adopt this new strategy. It worked brilliantly. And to top it off, I was almost to the point of anti-social as a child, with parents never understanding my exasperated outbursts, my extreme fear of socialising....it was a lonely path so to speak. I made a resolution that I wanted to be successful in life, I have to, and will need to, mingle. I did it. I believe so can anyone. I'm no elitest or anyone with great credentials.Originally posted by I_Need_U:color ghost u are really damn right. .....
Originally posted by Congenial:Dude, u articulate quite nicely some of my sentiments. Not for this thread, i wouldn't know that so many other shared such problems to varying extend.
bleahs..
now people, u guys are getting the wrong ideas here..
[b]my condition
i used to have my grp of friends.
but then i cant seem to talk cos anxious, nervous, etc
they are nice people who initiate conversations with me.
then i cannot talk to them cos u noe y..
then they are like:how come u so strange one:
then we get distant.
that happens eveytime.
i can bet my life ard 99% if i meet one of u here, confirm u would say i am a strange boi..and u urself would be uncomfortable with me, thus..
then we grow distant.
then if i call u, u would be thinking "wad does this weird guy wants?"
because of that, i wont call u, and we grow more distant.
i have this persistant feeling people are looking at me all the time no matter how hard i shake it off..
then there was one time when i said some vulgarities. it was meant to be a joke, but my current condition is that, everything i say will come out in serious tone. that guy gt depressed.
i got really guilty, and even though i apologised and he accepted it, i got very depressed and i kept thinking aboutthe whole incident 24 hrs.
no matter how hard, i cant stop dwelling on such negative incidents. and i can even dwell it during meal times
i am super tensed, like what oyster omelette dude has said
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there's nobody in this world, in any way superior to you.Originally posted by Congenial:hello my fellow forumites.
basically just to tell u guys my woes.
i have no friends at all. ok, maybe jus one, since i start my tertiaty education.
when i meet people, i would get nervous, my hands start sweating, i get these negative thoughts etc.
people seem to have this "i detest u" look on their faces. i cannot initiate conversations, i cant joke, i cant make friends. these are things many people take for granted, while me, im longing and desperate for them.
i hava very bad relationship with people. i still remember when i was doing project, i cock things up, my mates started to gossip abt me not doing my stuff etc.. but thats just because i just cannot ask them the specific tasks i am suppose to do, its not because im a slacker..
i have also created many enemies because at times i look snobbish, but deep inside, they donnoe how nervous and worried i am. if only they knew.
when i eat alone in the canteen, there was one of my classmates asking "why u oways eat alone one ah" i feel so embarrased i could die of embarrassment, literally.
even teachers did not spare me. they would be very reluctant to speak to me, let alone meet me. i have a difficulty in asking Qs and when i asked, i look worried and nervous, and teachers would get put off by that.
i am constantly worried, nervous jittery, when around people. they only place i seek solace is at home alone, with my PC.
no matter how many practice i do or how many times i psych myself up, when it comes to people again, i would fall down again.
the more i meet people, the more i get worried and nervous, and the more people are not comfortable with me, and the worst my condition becomes.
i am desperate, really.
i long for friends and stuff, but i know i am not able to get these luxuries.
i have taken down notes for living. and i have found out that my existance does not serve that reasons that i have taken note..
if not for religion, i would have died years ago..![]()
There is also nobody as unique as ur own self too.Originally posted by boy in blues:there's nobody in this world, in any way superior to you.
believe it.
see you around
i believe in overcoming phobias. i have a fear of heights when i was in my teens. in fact it was so serious i felt giddy if i have to go to buildings that are higher than ten storeys? and i tried to overcome it but telling myself im no different from the next person...if he doesnt fear why should i? so i keep staring down any chance i got....and suddenly nowadays i develop a liking to looking down from higher grounds. that is to say, i like to take cable cars, helicopters or even planes just to look down.Originally posted by Congenial:erm..
what u both have said are definitely true, no doubt.
i want to do all the things that u guys recommend, but i just cant.
i have a phobia.
phobia of peeps.
It takes time... Have CONFIDENCE IN YOURSELF and bring HOPE to YOUR FUTURE....Originally posted by Congenial:wa..i did not realise that there quite a handful of people suffereing from social phobia.
yah, basically people dont realise its severity and extend of its disability, as outside we look OK, not like those having heart attack where they are obviously physically not rite.
but deep inside, we are suffering like hell. pure hell. that was why i had no reason to live, cos i did not know how to deal with it, and i could not get out of this nightmare. it keeps repeating, no stop to it. i wasnt afraid of death. i wanted to die.
yah, after researching, i think theres hope, phobia can be overcome. now i dont want to die.
the negative thinking patterns have to be changed.
i have to learn a lot of new things, social skills etc..
although it has been about 0.5 percent improvement, its still improvement for now.
although at times when i say i am improving, i feel i am denying myself as at times i feel i am not improving, but it gets worst as i meet more people.
i jus guess i have to force myself out. sometimes feel like giving up, but i say no, till the head hurts.
thank u once again for those supportive words, people..
That's why as SummerDream has suggested, take the drugs TOGETHER with THERAPY....Originally posted by Congenial:wuuoo..another guy with same condition.
no, i did not really mean as in nicotine kind of addiction...
its like when you stop using it, your anxiety comes back to haunt u again..
then you would need it for a long long time.
and i have done my research, such drugs are not meant to be used for permanent use.
and if at first if u use like 10 mg, then next time you would need a higher dosage, and higher and higher..
and such drugs, its really very hard to quit..i would want to go thru it..
and yeah, doctors will say not addictive so and so..just like my asthma inhaler..say do me good la, wont get addicted lah..
but in few months time, from just 1 puff a day, to about 12 times a day, which was deadly, cause at most oni 8 shots..
i developed tolerance to it..and i needed more..
then i tried to quit, damn, it was pure hell, serious, pure hell...
Originally posted by Congenial:hello my fellow forumites.
basically just to tell u guys my woes.
i have no friends at all. ok, maybe jus one, since i start my tertiaty education.
when i meet people, i would get nervous, my hands start sweating, i get these negative thoughts etc.
people seem to have this "i detest u" look on their faces. i cannot initiate conversations, i cant joke, i cant make friends. these are things many people take for granted, while me, im longing and desperate for them.
i hava very bad relationship with people. i still remember when i was doing project, i cock things up, my mates started to gossip abt me not doing my stuff etc.. but thats just because i just cannot ask them the specific tasks i am suppose to do, its not because im a slacker..
i have also created many enemies because at times i look snobbish, but deep inside, they donnoe how nervous and worried i am. if only they knew.
when i eat alone in the canteen, there was one of my classmates asking "why u oways eat alone one ah" i feel so embarrased i could die of embarrassment, literally.
even teachers did not spare me. they would be very reluctant to speak to me, let alone meet me. i have a difficulty in asking Qs and when i asked, i look worried and nervous, and teachers would get put off by that.
i am constantly worried, nervous jittery, when around people. they only place i seek solace is at home alone, with my PC.
no matter how many practice i do or how many times i psych myself up, when it comes to people again, i would fall down again.
the more i meet people, the more i get worried and nervous, and the more people are not comfortable with me, and the worst my condition becomes.
i am desperate, really.
i long for friends and stuff, but i know i am not able to get these luxuries.
i have taken down notes for living. and i have found out that my existance does not serve that reasons that i have taken note..
if not for religion, i would have died years ago..![]()
You've only got to LIVE ONCE.Originally posted by Congenial:wa..there are loads of advises here! im amazed.
i try to follow what the forumites have said, eg dont force yourself, take meds, no one's superior than u..remove that pride etc..
i went to a GP, i told him about my probs, it was totally hard for me to speak to him. i was shaking and stuttering, but he was friendly.
he gave me some pills that slows down the heart beat. ate them, and for the first time in my life, i could talk to the person in my attachment company that i was toubleshooting for his PC, even though i was shaking inside,it did not show physically
ok, there were also a lot of setbacks. like when my mom compared me to my brother, who is more friendly and outgoing, it really triggered my social phobia in me, causing me to think that people are more superior than me, and i am the lowest of the lowest.
maybe i think too much, too much for their needs, afraid to hurt them, while generally people are "heck care" bunch.
there was also once when i tried to get out of my comfort zone, and said hi to a pretty classmate of mine, and she looked at me like i was an alien or something, gave a smirk and "what are doing here loser?" kind of face.
i was toally embarrased and it reinforced my thinking that attractive girls are all like her, therefore, i cannot talk to them.
and i have not talked to a single girl since SEC 2 for the fear of wrong choice words that might hurt them, believe me.
now i know these are all not exactly true, and im just too self consious, i think too much, but ts hard to change..
its like how you would try to UNLEARN to ride a bike, seems hard eh?
gets depressing at times. those who are certified depressed should know the feeling.
You should really be CONCENTRATING on LIVING and just EXPRESSING YOURSELF... Like you would over here in the INTERNET.... Just speak up and nobody would see you weird... Even if they DO see you weird..? NAY... Just HECK CARE and BE YOURSELF for a start...?Originally posted by Congenial:thanks for the replies once again..
yea Devil1976, i truly get what you mean, and i am applying that concept for the time being.
yea, basically i tried to get out of my comfort zone..
recently i went to a gathering, where some friends who thinks that its pitiful to leave me out, therefore, asked me whether i would like to join them..
usually, i would not, as i knew for sure that it would get comfortable and embarrassing.
then that day i went, there was a quite a number of people, around 10 or so.
they were happily chatting with one another, and some kind souls initiated conversations with me.
that moment was super terrible. being with the crowd alone nearly gave me a heart attack, let alone talking with someone, i nearly died.
i was shaking, my heart beating super fast, i felt i couldnt breathe. in my head i knew they were thinking i was a very weird person, and that made things worst. its that thinking that kills me every now and then.
a pretty girl there made matters worst..arrg..
i ran away a few minutes later..and they were like "okay...weird? "
and i was like![]()
with all the attention you are getting i say u're better den u think u are. i dun like to speak either, but dat doesn't mean i can't.Originally posted by Congenial:hello my fellow forumites.
basically just to tell u guys my woes.
i have no friends at all. ok, maybe jus one, since i start my tertiaty education.
when i meet people, i would get nervous, my hands start sweating, i get these negative thoughts et..
DAMN, that shot through my head man. You live only once! it just gave me a bit of motivation! thanks for that man, even if u didnt realise, your words had really gave me that wake up call!Originally posted by Devil1976:You've only got to LIVE ONCE.
If you're afraid to live at all. You won't be living anyway?
Often said... "Failures are often not the worst mistake you can make, at least not when compared to not having tried at all....?"
There's always a 1st STEP to something before the following steps...Originally posted by Congenial:DAMN, that shot through my head man. You live only once! it just gave me a bit of motivation! thanks for that man, even if u didnt realise, your words had really gave me that wake up call!
"U onli live once"
Yeah..
as for your second quote, i need to improve on my attitude first before i can deal with that.
yeah, and what drx said has also given a shot through my head.
if i were to think rationally, there are more people suffering worst than me, probably that wang yixin/joeann who suffers from split personality disorder is suffering much more, i wouldnt have known.
i am trying to put myself in the shoes of those who suffer from this kinda things.
quotes of the day
"U live once"
"its better to fail than never try"
its super duper hard to abide by this concept, but i will try..
and this friggin depression is not helping either..arrg..
aniways, thanx all for that wonderful advises, i will surely follow them as close as possible...