office politics
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I thought you should just state the fact, like "Oh, I thought you asked me for those files when you bumped into me at the pantry (or wherever)..., and so I sent them to you, because I'd thought it would help you to complete your project (or whatever it is, but must convey you are trying to help her, which means you are being a team-player). So sorry, but maybe I'd misunderstood. Thank you for pointing it out to me (like act happily blur/innocent about what she's trying to do)".
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What if colleagues do unjust to you (backstab u during their appraisal sessions when u tot things are ok) and still expects you to talk to them? if you don't, you are accused of not having teamwork. What if u are really sick of their lies and hypocripsy?
What if they interfere with the way you work with your assistant (via emails) just to put you down in front of bosses? What if your assistant was bought over and forward your emails to them just to interpret/misinterpret your emails when she was fine with it for many years?
What if they openly verbally abused you in front of the whole department , calling you names and boss didn't even interfere, will you still stay on / talk to them? What if you were expected to talk to them after the session and be "evaluated" by the rest whether u talk to them or not. What will u do?
What if they had unfairly accused you of "hogging" your assistant (to be shared as well), and suggested a change of supervisor? (when most of their projects were already outsourced while u were working on a report. Your assistant did a sloppy job and you had to work thru weekends and public holidays to complete the job.) Will you let them achieve their ultimate aim, since your assistant has been bought over anyway? -
this i cannot agree.Originally posted by Deportivo:go to the boss in person and explain the situation.
you advantage is that you have been in the office in 7 years. my guess is that your boss will be able to tell who is wrong and who is right.
i left my jobs of 9 years due to heavy office politics. it is never about how valuable you are. -
Glad you're thinking with your cool head...Originally posted by august2005:Oh no, i am new to the company. Only here for 3 mths...in fact right from the start when i just join, i already could sense that she felt threatened. And i heard that she was saying things behind my back as well which explained why sometimes pple i hardly talk to show me black face or ignore me when i smile at them...she probably has already poison their mindset about me.
my 7 yrs of working experience was with other companies.
I heard that she knew my boss for 10 yrs liao...so that's y i am hesitant and dunno what to do next..one wrong move could cost me my job. -
You bet it would be a tiring war...Originally posted by heavenlyfire:one more advise..since you are new, i will strongly advise you to watch (observe the fire from opposite-another stratergy) and observe the stituation more..knowing the boss for 10 yrs doesnt mean anything...the boss may not like her, you don know..she may know a lot of things about her work and the boss has no choice, she is also most likely to keep some skills for herself that is so valued..learnt her skills secretly,be humble.
know stuffs like, what is the characteristics of your boss? shrewd or loyal? meaning will he removed the old thing if he found out you can do her work?afterall she has been so long in the company and the salary she is drawing may be enough to hired 2 you or will your boss valued relationship?
if you really want to play such game...it will be very tiring...so the choice is up to you...maybe you can just be yourself... -
Maybe you were seeing 'value' in a wrong way...?Originally posted by dragg:this i cannot agree.
i left my jobs of 9 years due to heavy office politics. it is never about how valuable you are.
Then again.. What's the 'right' way...?
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i have always thought that being hardworking is the key to at least hold on to my job. i was wrong.Originally posted by Devil1976:Maybe you were seeing 'value' in a wrong way...?
Then again.. What's the 'right' way...?
i tried very hard to avoid confrontation and keep myself away from office politics.
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when the office has politics going on, it's impossible to avoid...
one of my colleagues who is also a friend, was posted to the sewing circle we call HR... he did his work, when it was finished, he minded his own business, when he was required to do stuff, he did it without complaint...
thing is, he was the only male guy there amongst about 8 other women.. and they were a terrible lot...
guess what? within 8 months, he was posted out.. the shortest stint of anyone anywhere in my huge organisation...
just because he was not part of the sewing circle, and he did his job diligently (which made them look bad)..
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Nay... Failures can always be the start to better things to come... It's all just a matter of how you look at things..? It's ok to be beaten... But don't be beaten flat... Pick yourself up and start walking again...Originally posted by dragg:i have always thought that being hardworking is the key to at least hold on to my job. i was wrong.
i tried very hard to avoid confrontation and keep myself away from office politics.
i have to say i failed miserably.
Hardwork? If only life is that simple..? Well.. If you're lucky enough and your boss happens to be one who would appreciate that (and provided on top that your hardworks have its chance to be known), you probably might still be on the BASICs of things...? Haven't you heard yet...? Work SMART... Not work HARD...?
I personally hate politics too.. But it's truly difficult to be totally rid of them at all time especially at this modern age of our lives... Even if you don't wanna be agressive in the office politics, it's always wise at least to know a bit of what's happening, ways to protect yourself a little and whether situation is under control...? -
that's why keeping such old birds the company willnever grow...big boss tink he is safe wif those old hands no thread he can stay on top forever fire new better guys but in the end company have to cut cost one oof his trusted lackey eventually got promoted and kick the big boss out of placeOriginally posted by the Bear:when the office has politics going on, it's impossible to avoid...
one of my colleagues who is also a friend, was posted to the sewing circle we call HR... he did his work, when it was finished, he minded his own business, when he was required to do stuff, he did it without complaint...
thing is, he was the only male guy there amongst about 8 other women.. and they were a terrible lot...
guess what? within 8 months, he was posted out.. the shortest stint of anyone anywhere in my huge organisation...
just because he was not part of the sewing circle, and he did his job diligently (which made them look bad)..
sad isn't it?
company never grow stuck not because no business...because too many boot licker trying to save themsleves eventually the boatd too heavy sunk all die die all no job haha -
I'm not sure if I should start another thread. I really need advice on this as I am just too vexed. Think I am too "nice" to my sub.
My sub has a punctuality problem. She left early yesterday while we were all on course. She would usually leave a message if she is leaving early but she didn't. So I wanted to know what time did she exactly leave this morning.
She went round telling everyone "Damn that bicth" etc.. Isn't it only right to inform your sup if you are leaving early? Isn't right of the sup to ask if the sub is in the wrong? U see, I'm now in an awkward situation for doing the right things and not interacting with people whom I think are hypocrites. For their own agenda, they are ganging up against me. Now just for that, she is now plotting to be On Top of that when she leaves the place. What shall i do now? How to guard against her? She has not been doing a good job and has been warned several times. But we keep giving chances and now she has found an "ally".
It's so difficult to work with these people with bad mouth, bad manners and no integrity. Goodness!
Appreciate genuine advice pls. Tks -
Originally posted by timble:I'm not sure if I should start another thread. I really need advice on this as I am just too vexed. Think I am too "nice" to my sub.
My sub has a punctuality problem. She left early yesterday while we were all on course. She would usually leave a message if she is leaving early but she didn't. So I wanted to know what time did she exactly leave this morning.
She went round telling everyone "Damn that bicth" etc.. Isn't it only right to inform your sup if you are leaving early? Isn't right of the sup to ask if the sub is in the wrong? U see, I'm now in an awkward situation for doing the right things and not interacting with people whom I think are hypocrites. For their own agenda, they are ganging up against me. Now just for that, she is now plotting to be On Top of that when she leaves the place. What shall i do now? How to guard against her? She has not been doing a good job and has been warned several times. But we keep giving chances and now she has found an "ally".
It's so difficult to work with these people with bad mouth, bad manners and no integrity. Goodness!
as i said earlier i left my job of 9 years. i had a problematic subordinate then. she is rude and has a major attitude problem.
try as much as you can to have her removed. otherwise you might end up just like me.
FYI she backstabbed me.
Appreciate genuine advice pls. Tks -
they already started last year. Just few weeks ago, it was a massive attack against me in front of everyone. mY boss was taken in by their poison last year and earlier this year. But luckily, he realised that they have their own agenda for doing /requesting for certain things and against me.
My relationship with my sub was still fine. Though I told her which areas she should improve on, she will still take it. And it's always done very pleasantly. But thru calculated scheme of some people, my Sub was completely bought over and will report to them whatever things she is unhappy about me. Then they will blow things out of proportion together.
Anyway, it's getting so stifling.. I do not want to cost my sub of her job yet I dunno what horrible and immoral things they will do. It's unimaginable what kind of things they can abuse and accuse me of, even when my boss is ard. And my boss, being "nice", just let them call me names at will.
It's an uphill war against the schemers. They wanted me to "join them, since I can't beat them" but I won't want to compromise just cos I am alone in this battle. -
it is extremely frustrating when you have bosses that cannot make right decisions. i once spoke to my bosses about my subordinate's poor attitude. my swiss boss said 'you cant compare. not everybody is good like you'. my local lady GM said 'she is rude to you because you did not earn her respect'.Originally posted by timble:they already started last year. Just few weeks ago, it was a massive attack against me in front of everyone. mY boss was taken in by their poison last year and earlier this year. But luckily, he realised that they have their own agenda for doing /requesting for certain things and against me.
My relationship with my sub was still fine. Though I told her which areas she should improve on, she will still take it. And it's always done very pleasantly. But thru calculated scheme of some people, my Sub was completely bought over and will report to them whatever things she is unhappy about me. Then they will blow things out of proportion together.
Anyway, it's getting so stifling.. I do not want to cost my sub of her job yet I dunno what horrible and immoral things they will do. It's unimaginable what kind of things they can abuse and accuse me of, even when my boss is ard. And my boss, being "nice", just let them call me names at will.
It's an uphill war against the schemers. They wanted me to "join them, since I can't beat them" but I won't want to compromise just cos I am alone in this battle.
i should have pushed for her dismissal. coz eventually she ganged with the GM which eventually resulted in my resignation.
there isnt much that i can advise. just be ready to lose your job if things dont work out. it happened to me and i am telling from experience. as much as you do not want to 'play the game', sometimes situation leaves you with little or no choice.
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aiyoh, let her teach lor, but observe from behind, haha time to relax, got goondoos work for me. Usually office politics invloves more on women, dunno why, last time my company also like that but luckily I got a soulmate there and the guys were great and friendly. the girls are like gossipers...... Can some girls tell me why?Originally posted by august2005:Hopefully, she will get what she deserve...but i doubt so since she can suck up so well to the boss...right now, she is at it again...trying to teach another new senior manager how to use the SAP system when actually it is supposed to be my job as i am the MIS manager...who is she to teach...terrible bitch. -
Originally posted by dragg:it is extremely frustrating when you have bosses that cannot make right decisions. i once spoke to my bosses about my subordinate's poor attitude. my swiss boss said 'you cant compare. not everybody is good like you'. my local lady GM said 'she is rude to you because you did not earn her respect'.
i should have pushed for her dismissal. coz eventually she ganged with the GM which eventually resulted in my resignation.
there isnt much that i can advise. just be ready to lose your job if things dont work out. it happened to me and i am telling from experience. as much as you do not want to 'play the game', sometimes situation leaves you with little or no choice.
I feel for you...
People who doesn't know how to protect themselves always lose out in the end. I refuse to be like them. Sometimes I feel really stupid. One of them apparently hates me over a misunderstanding. After the "attack me" session, the older colleague was sad someone is leaving. So I tot abt it long and hard"it's not worth it that someone else is leavin becos of me.
Thus,despite the verbal abuses, I actually wanted to initiate a chit chat session (via email cos dunno how she wld react) with her just in the hope that she will not be rashed. As it turns out, she took the initiation as a sign of guilt and laughed it off with my sub, saying that she threw me in the trash can. Anyway, I think she is not leaving lah. I am just toooooo stupid.
Doesn't pay to be nice to these people. The way they treat vendors also reflect their character. And their explanation //If you are too nice, the vendors will take advantage of you. So must scold them like hell (meaning insult their intelligence, professionalism etc). To users and important people, they will suck up to them.
I really hate working with such people. Dragg, I know what u mean absolutely. It's the survivors game. If I refused to participate., I'll have to be prepared. I'm already sitting in a corner trying to do my work. Why can't they just behave like normal beings? -
coz power makes people go crazy.Originally posted by timble: I feel for you...
People who doesn't know how to protect themselves always lose out in the end. I refuse to be like them. Sometimes I feel really stupid. One of them apparently hates me over a misunderstanding. After the "attack me" session, the older colleague was sad someone is leaving. So I tot abt it long and hard"it's not worth it that someone else is leavin becos of me.
Thus,despite the verbal abuses, I actually wanted to initiate a chit chat session (via email cos dunno how she wld react) with her just in the hope that she will not be rashed. As it turns out, she took the initiation as a sign of guilt and laughed it off with my sub, saying that she threw me in the trash can. Anyway, I think she is not leaving lah. I am just toooooo stupid.
Doesn't pay to be nice to these people. The way they treat vendors also reflect their character. And their explanation //If you are too nice, the vendors will take advantage of you. So must scold them like hell (meaning insult their intelligence, professionalism etc). To users and important people, they will suck up to them.
I really hate working with such people. Dragg, I know what u mean absolutely. It's the survivors game. If I refused to participate., I'll have to be prepared. I'm already sitting in a corner trying to do my work. Why can't they just behave like normal beings?
i was with my former company for 9 years, the 5th most senior staff. my GM was promoted from within the ranks. she was a sales engineer when i joined as a sales co-ordinator. she left the company after 5 years and rejoined a year later as a sales manager. (surprisingly) she was promoted to GM another year later. i was senior sales co-ordinator then.
she, together with myself and a few other colleagues were very close prior to her promotion. we went for short trips, have CNY dinner, mahjong session at my place, go out at least a few times a week and whatnot.
after her promotion everything changed. she was always picking on me. she accused me of being; in comfort zone for too long; clock watcher; not controlling my subordinates etc. on and off she will ask me to her desk with silly accusations. once she banged the table and yelled so loud everybody could hear it. she apologised for being rude but insist the shoutiing was necessary.
my last year at the company was the worst i ever had. i dreaded going to work.
the last straw was what i posted earlier about my subordinate complaining that she is loaded with work and the subsequent e-mail i got from my new spanish boss. i quitted my job late nov, forfeiting my bonus.
working life sucks, female colleagues sucks even more, female boss sucks super big time. -
dbp
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I agree, largely, with these 2 sentences, but of course not all females are bad.Originally posted by dragg:coz power makes people go crazy.
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working life sucks, female colleagues sucks even more, female boss sucks super big time.
My sister copes well in a female environment, with an understanding immediate female boss.
Was glad that my boss is a male. But he doesn't see things in perspective, only listen to complaints. alamak.
But if given a choice, I would rather work with nice, helpful, down-to-earth males. Women can be quite petty sometimes...sigh -
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I take back my words.."nice" guys can't see through the plots of cunning women. My boss is "charmed" by their polishing ways again. I feel so disgusted that he is so easily swayed over...they are trying so hard to buy my boss over.eekks..some guys are easy preys..;(
Sorry august2005, I've practically used your space to vent my frustrations. Hope we can survive the ordeal.
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I Super hate office politics.
Once office politics step in, I am out of there.
The work place is the second longest spending place in my life. Hate to work in uncomfortable environment.
However for those out there, office politics is a game where either you are in or you are out. So if you wanna continue to work in a work place that is full of office politics. Then even if you are not the best attacker, you have to be the best defender.
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Did u quit without a job? Many times? Is there really a place without office politics?Originally posted by varatare:I Super hate office politics.
Once office politics step in, I am out of there.
The work place is the second longest spending place in my life. Hate to work in uncomfortable environment.
However for those out there, office politics is a game where either you are in or you are out. So if you wanna continue to work in a work place that is full of office politics. Then even if you are not the best attacker, you have to be the best defender.
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Not many times. Of course there is no place in this world that has no office politic unless you own the company and you are the only worker there.
But how far can you put up with these monkeys. If you began to sense the pressure from monkey, there is one term call "I will bear with you first". Start looking for a new job. Dont think that just because you are not responsing to them you arent playing it. Whether you response to them or not, to these monkey, you are in. So be prepare.Originally posted by timble:Did u quit without a job? Many times? Is there really a place without office politics?
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everywhere you go there are office politics. there are assholes!!!
but there must be a limit. there are no perfect working conditions.
i have a friend who works at a french company, now into his 8th year. he told me that his company has little or no politics that he know of. and there are no assholes that make life difficult for anyone.
i am sure there are more of such companies around. just have to be lucky enough to join one.