help me!!! am i a gay?? i dun wan to be 1,i wana be normal!
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Hmm...Originally posted by lance_bi:is this site cramps of ppl or just sit around smacking flys??
jus wanted to noe whether this site popular ornt
so any counselour 2 help me
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i probably didnt phrase my sentence right.....Originally posted by HENG@:I think this is one of the biggest misconceptions people have. If u are gay, u can sincerely "don't want to be gay" but at the end of the day u know what? U can try to be straight but u will just be living a lie. U're not who u are. The most important thing in life is always to be true to yourself, to who u are inside. If u're gay, the worst thing u could choose to do is to "try" and be straight. That is called denial, and its not only potentially psychologically harmful to one's well-being, it also opens up lots of scenarios for potential future hurt.
For eg:
a gay guy marries a woman in an effort to convince himself he is "straight". Say 5 years down the road, he has a kid. He likes the woman he is married to, but he doesn't love her. And then he meets a guy he really loves, and start a extra-marital affair with him. Think how devistating it will be for the wife to find out her husband has been closet gay all along. How bad it will be for the children. Especially since there is less incentive for him to stay faithful to her, since he dosen't like woman. All that hurt and pain not only for him, but for his wife, his children, his family, his wife's family, everybody. How cheap he feels everynight when he has to sleep with her in an attempt to be straight, the self loathing he ends up feeling for himself, hating himself for being "not normal", the disgust that floods inside him everytime he has sex with his wife just to try to convince himself he is "straight". And in the end he strays just because nobody can hide who they are forever. U can lie to yourself but the truth always comes out. And if u've been trying to hide it, it will only cause more damage when it finally sees the light of the day.
So u see, this is how denial can ruin lives, not just your own, but whoever u choose to cast in your own little "straight family" act. My advice is, we have enough of this sort of tragedy and sorrow in the world. And we don't need children from this sort of homes coming out hating gay people and spreading bigotry. So be wise, accept yourself for who u are, and don't listen to the other bigots if they try to tell u its "not normal" to be gay or that its a "disease" to be gay. If u ask me, bigotry is a much bigger social disease than being gay will every be. They're the ones who need to speak to counsellors.
firstly, i dun hate gays......secondly i do nt pick on dem.... thirdly i accept dat every human beings r unique individual......
but den lets face the truth okay?...this society is like this.....in singapore dere r bound to be discrimination against homosexuality.....juz look at my frenz....always make fun abt gays n lesbians with words dat r insulting.......
the thing is we should educate the younger generations abt homosexuality....not tell or pressurise or wad but tell dem dat it is actually ok if u r reallie a homosexual.....n i do think in today's society dere is a nid to change pple's perceptions abt homosexuality...... -
no no i agree with youOriginally posted by hiphop2009:i probably didnt phrase my sentence right.....
firstly, i dun hate gays......secondly i do nt pick on dem.... thirdly i accept dat every human beings r unique individual......
but den lets face the truth okay?...this society is like this.....in singapore dere r bound to be discrimination against homosexuality.....juz look at my frenz....always make fun abt gays n lesbians with words dat r insulting.......
the thing is we should educate the younger generations abt homosexuality....not tell or pressurise or wad but tell dem dat it is actually ok if u r reallie a homosexual.....n i do think in today's society dere is a nid to change pple's perceptions abt homosexuality......
the problem is im worried that by seeking help here, he has just opened himself up to all the self-righteous people who just discriminate against gays because of their ignorance.
I'm sure u've seen the amount of bullshit and posts lacking in intelligence telling him things like "if u're gay u won't feel ashamed" and things like that. Don't they realise he feels ashamed due to the social conditioning he received, and not because he's not gay?
If they truely used their brains to think, anyone can be made to feel guilty. I can take a chinese child, or take a young boy, and raise him in such a way that the chinese kid grows up feeling ashamed to be chinese, or the boy grows up feeling ashamed to be male. And u all know what? Just because they are ashamed of who they are, doesn't make them any less chinese, or any less male. The argument that one is not gay because one is ashamed to be gay is stupid and has not been given any through, intelligent thought at all. People can be gay and ashamed of that, if the social conditioning they received made them see being gay a "bad" thing. Gays can be ashamed of being gay. We call that "in denial". Seriously a lot of people here need to start thinking intelligently before they decide to post.
As for those who even argue from a Christian pt of view, last I looked it says all man are sinners and sinners shouldn't judge other sinners. These sly people use words like "plenty want to help you" and trick them with fake affectionate calls of "brother" when in reality deep inside they're just hypocrital pharisees. One'd be a fool to trust them. -
What's all this noise? Someone's drumming the empty barrels here? I'd say, be constructive, sincere, and stay along the line of helping him. Throwing stones to hide your hands is not beneficial and constructive at all.
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oh u say? i AM trying to help him. u're trying to mislead him. What about u? U think u can help him have a happy life by sending him into denial? U have offered NO logic in your arguments whatsoever. All u can do is to focus on what other people say and try to drown logic with your senseless mutterings.Originally posted by SajNT:What's all this noise? Someone's drumming the empty barrels here? I'd say, be constructive, sincere, and stay along the line of helping him. Throwing stones to hide your hands is not beneficial and constructive at all.
instead of talking so much about drumming barrels n throwing stones here, why not offer up some logic? oh wait u don't have any logic do u? Just a deep rooted prejudice born of a misguidance. -
What are you? are you able to set your uncoth aside and see things from my point of view? Flaming me isn't gonna help him much, or is it gonna make your sleep at night any better? Hey maybe it does.. but put the thinking cap on.Originally posted by HENG@:oh u say? i AM trying to help him. u're trying to mislead him. What about u? U think u can help him have a happy life by sending him into denial? U have offered NO logic in your arguments whatsoever. All u can do is to focus on what other people say and try to drown logic with your senseless mutterings.
instead of talking so much about drumming barrels n throwing stones here, why not offer up some logic? oh wait u don't have any logic do u? Just a deep rooted prejudice born of a misguidance.
I know we're all trying to help this guy. And obviously we are coming in from 2 points of view. As much as I'm not rubbing into yours in the 1st place, have a little respect and don't intervene and judge mine, if you want, we can discuss about this issue, but with an open mindedness, are you able to do that?
My point is not to bring him, or against him. Like I've said clearly, I'm against this behaviour as much as i'm against acts that're against the natural like, incest, polygamy etc. I used to think like you, just accept them as they are, they should just accept themselves, but hey, this will not benefit them in the long run. Accepting them as they are, are just temporal solutions don't you think? Its easy for you to say now as there's no kin of yours that is of this nature.
But what if your child develops a fondness of such? Will you correct him? I know I will. And as much as I will try to help my child get out of it, so am I advising as best as I can to lancer_bi to avoid getting into it.
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my goal has always been to help enlighten others, make them more knowledgable. U think I'm flaming u? U think I get a kick out of flaming others? U're wrong.Originally posted by SajNT:What are you? are you able to set your uncoth aside and see things from my point of view? Flaming me isn't gonna help him much, or is it gonna make your sleep at night any better? Hey maybe it does.. but put the thinking cap on.
I know we're all trying to help this guy. And obviously we are coming in from 2 points of view. As much as I'm not rubbing into yours in the 1st place, have a little respect and don't intervene and judge mine, if you want, we can discuss about this issue, but with an open mindedness, are you able to do that?
My point is not to bring him, or against him. Like I've said clearly, I'm against this behaviour as much as i'm against acts that're against the natural like, incest, polygamy etc. I used to think like you, just accept them as they are, they should just accept themselves, but hey, this will not benefit them in the long run. Accepting them as they are, are just temporal solutions don't you think? Its easy for you to say now as there's no kin of yours that is of this nature.
But what if your child develops a fondness of such? Will you correct him? I know I will. And as much as I will try to help my child get out of it, so am I advising as best as I can to lancer_bi to avoid getting into it.
get it? Peace
You say u used to think this way, but ultimately u cannot accept it. You want to know where u went wrong? U when wrong whne u decided that being gay was against nature. In fact homosexuality IS every part of nature. Denying one's homosexuality is what is against nature.
And u say its easy for me to say because there is no kin? Well wrong. I think I know more gay people than u do, and if u want to tell me that u' have kin who are gay and hence made u see acceptance is bad, well, that is because people around him/her do not accept it due to their ignorance. And for that u say self acceptance is bad? Because others are ignorant? I don't think so.
And in future, if I have a child, and he or she is gay, I will most wholeheartedly not attempt to "correct" what is natural. I will instead, nuture them to have a right frame of mind towards understanding AND acceptance of themselves, and teach them not only to be brave in the face of social ignorance, but also to do their best to spread love, understanding and enlightenment amongst society.
Perhaps u are the one who needs to get it instead. Your type of views ultimately leads to unhappiness for everyone in the long run. -
HENG@: tsk.. tsk.. tsk..Originally posted by HENG@:
sounds familiar eh?
Agenda: are you sure about that?Originally posted by Agenda:I think you should call one of the hotlines but through payphones in case they track you and conttac your parents
dragg: treatment? are we handling a disease? homosexuality is not a disease!Originally posted by dragg:it is ok to appreciate other guys but if you like to 'ice-cream' then you better seek treatment.
Parn: have you consider the scenario whereby a gay lives in a conservative society such as Singapore that condemns homosexuality? I have actually met a number of Singaporeans abroad who are closet homosexuals until they left Singapore. It is a personal tragedy to deny yourself anything, including your natural sexual preference.Originally posted by parn:Good news, you're not gay yet...cos gay people will never feel ashamed of their gayness. But I'm very sure that you're not gay and won't even make it as an apprentice-gay even if you went to take the gay test and licence.
Don't mention the religious bigots!Originally posted by HENG@:As for those who even argue from a Christian pt of view, last I looked it says all man are sinners and sinners shouldn't judge other sinners. These sly people use words like "plenty want to help you" and trick them with fake affectionate calls of "brother" when in reality deep inside they're just hypocrital pharisees. One'd be a fool to trust them.
Any thoughts on (hetero- or homo-) sexual acts are regarded "dirty", but that don't stop us from engaging them. I can say you are gay for this matter because you (a guy) clearly demonstrated sexual interest in males by intitiating the act. Your problem is not whether you are gay, but that you can't stop imagining yourself engaging in any sex acts. It is also a problem for heterosexual couples.Originally posted by lance_bi:
i put my hands on his thighs and he didnt do anything,i then move into his pants (he acts like he dosent noe it) then i feel his cock,(i feel the shape of it)feeling curios,i ask him do u noe wat i am doing?? he said yes,i then ask him,do u like the feeling and he said yes ................................ we both see each other in underwear,i wanted to strip his underwear and he reject,then we just feel each other's private part and went out of the toilets.i wanted to touch his,but when he says he wantwd to touch mine as to fair i rejected,bt i don wan him to refuse me touching his,so i let him touch my cock by letting his hands into my pockets. -
a fact that can be found on the net:all men are not 100% straight.
yes.this includes you and me.
at some point in life,men would have some slight fantasies,be it purely sexual or wad,with the person of the same gender.most likely this is somebody whom they idolised,adored,or dreamt of being intimate with or having sex with.they can be popular stars,attractive friends or charismatic,charming socialites.
anyone,as a matter-in-fact.
the heart tells one it's religiously wrong to involve oneself in homosexual acts,yet on the other hand,the brain is giving signals to show how the body actually enjoys sexual pleasure,be it with a male or female.
put it bluntly,even the straightest guy on earth would have gay thoughts before. -
wait a minute, are you one yourself?Originally posted by HENG@:my goal has always been to help enlighten others, make them more knowledgable. U think I'm flaming u? U think I get a kick out of flaming others? U're wrong.
You say u used to think this way, but ultimately u cannot accept it. You want to know where u went wrong? U when wrong whne u decided that being gay was against nature. In fact homosexuality IS every part of nature. Denying one's homosexuality is what is against nature.
And u say its easy for me to say because there is no kin? Well wrong. I think I know more gay people than u do, and if u want to tell me that u' have kin who are gay and hence made u see acceptance is bad, well, that is because people around him/her do not accept it due to their ignorance. And for that u say self acceptance is bad? Because others are ignorant? I don't think so.
And in future, if I have a child, and he or she is gay, I will most wholeheartedly not attempt to "correct" what is natural. I will instead, nuture them to have a right frame of mind towards understanding AND acceptance of themselves, and teach them not only to be brave in the face of social ignorance, but also to do their best to spread love, understanding and enlightenment amongst society.
Perhaps u are the one who needs to get it instead. Your type of views ultimately leads to unhappiness for everyone in the long run.
If so stop here. Period. I can understand where you're coming from. -
sorry but, instead of flaming each other, can u guys concentrate on helping the poor guy instead ??Originally posted by SajNT:wait a minute, are you one yourself?
If so stop here. Period. I can understand where you're coming from.
how much do all of us know about Homosexuality ?? I believe that in order to provide good help, we need to know how to otherwise we will be doing the person more harm than help.
and to SanJT, i have a question, how can one help when he is against homosexuality ?? nothing personal, jus a thought. -
Mix Metal is right.....though i tink these arguments are some what useful, however i tink is going towards the direction whereby you all are going into personal attacks....no offence pple but this is juz my thoughts on it......Originally posted by MiX Metal:sorry but, instead of flaming each other, can u guys concentrate on helping the poor guy instead ??
how much do all of us know about Homosexuality ?? I believe that in order to provide good help, we need to know how to otherwise we will be doing the person more harm than help.
and to SanJT, i have a question, how can one help when he is against homosexuality ?? nothing personal, jus a thought.
this is the paradox.......today's society in singapore has stereo-typed heterosexual as "normal' while homosexual as "abnormal"........this is not my personal opinion or thoughts but isnt it true??....but wad hav our teacher taught us?.....i am sure they hav taught us to respect each other..........in singapore whereby everyone is given equal chances to succeed and strive.....a society based on justice and equality........... -
is this with sacrasm?......pls.............Originally posted by SajNT:wait a minute, are you one yourself?
If so stop here. Period. I can understand where you're coming from. -
bingo!...u share the same view poiints as me.......Originally posted by HENG@:no no i agree with you
the problem is im worried that by seeking help here, he has just opened himself up to all the self-righteous people who just discriminate against gays because of their ignorance.
I'm sure u've seen the amount of bullshit and posts lacking in intelligence telling him things like "if u're gay u won't feel ashamed" and things like that. Don't they realise he feels ashamed due to the social conditioning he received, and not because he's not gay?
If they truely used their brains to think, anyone can be made to feel guilty. I can take a chinese child, or take a young boy, and raise him in such a way that the chinese kid grows up feeling ashamed to be chinese, or the boy grows up feeling ashamed to be male. And u all know what? Just because they are ashamed of who they are, doesn't make them any less chinese, or any less male. The argument that one is not gay because one is ashamed to be gay is stupid and has not been given any through, intelligent thought at all. People can be gay and ashamed of that, if the social conditioning they received made them see being gay a "bad" thing. Gays can be ashamed of being gay. We call that "in denial". Seriously a lot of people here need to start thinking intelligently before they decide to post.
As for those who even argue from a Christian pt of view, last I looked it says all man are sinners and sinners shouldn't judge other sinners. These sly people use words like "plenty want to help you" and trick them with fake affectionate calls of "brother" when in reality deep inside they're just hypocrital pharisees. One'd be a fool to trust them.
and seriously tink he should seek prefessional advices.....sgforums is somewhere he can look at it and get some ideas but den if he reallie wans in depth advices den here is not the place.........
and the christianity part, well i hope you didnt rave up the mood of christian....because from wad i roughly noe, homosexuality is a v complex issue in christianity (correct me if i am wrong)....so we better leave dat alone and not going into it -
1 thing I wish to add in to this thread...
May it be gay or lesbianism... It somehow relates a nature vs nurture question... Our environment... Our exposures... Beliefs... Biological build up...
A gay maybe a gay due to different facts or factors.. It's sometimes difficult to debate delibrately whether we should 'change' what is 'wrong' or accept what is 'right'...
A student who never listen to his teacher in class may be a student with poor attitude and refuses to pay attention to class... Another student who also never listen to his teacher in class may instead be a student with biological hearing problem...
I think both SAjNT and Heng@ holds a different perception of things.. And somehow held on quite strongly to their own beliefs... Which isn't anything really wrong...
A person who believes that he might be gay and curiosity allows him to explore further (normal growth thinking phase), might have his mentality set 'right' by explaining things to him and let him understand truly it's just an indirect way of questioning life and sexuality...
A person who is biologically born as a gay may have his sanity suppressed if people INSIST that something is 'wrong' with him... Causing him to try and act 'normal' if society pressure is strong or psychologically restrained or he feels that he's just born a 'freak' and there is little he can do about it...
All in all, alot of cases may even be in what we call the 'grey area'... Thus sometimes 'right' or 'wrong' is simply determined more by your own biological build up or the environment you cultivates in.... -
GOOD thought... But don't bother....Originally posted by MiX Metal:sorry but, instead of flaming each other, can u guys concentrate on helping the poor guy instead ??
how much do all of us know about Homosexuality ?? I believe that in order to provide good help, we need to know how to otherwise we will be doing the person more harm than help.
and to SanJT, i have a question, how can one help when he is against homosexuality ?? nothing personal, jus a thought. -
YOUNG PUNK. I think you simply have nothing better to do.Originally posted by lance_bi:
i really am confuse whether there is any counsellour here,any1 noes.
i get to this site from yahoo sear,i search counselling in singapore.
so is there any??
there is once in primary6,its after psle.my friends were out playing basket ball(the teacher is out too,supervising them)
i was in the classroom with 1 of my male friends,the teacher dunno it.
he was playing gameboy,i sit on a chair in front of him.then i dunno wat the hell is in my mind,i put my hands on his thighs and he didnt do anything,i then move into his pants (he acts like he dosent noe it) then i feel his cock,(i feel the shape of it)feeling curios,i ask him do u noe wat i am doing?? he said yes,i then ask him,do u like the feeling and he said yes contineu like this.This set me further,i stand behind him while he is still sitting at the chair,i pull his pants and sees his butt,then i put my hand and feel it,he then said hey wait wait,ok ok(i think he didnt notice i was touching his bare butt,he thinks i was touching his butt with his underwear(maybe).
then i told him to go toilets,and he agrees.we both see each other in underwear,i wanted to strip his underwear and he reject,then we just feel each other's private part and went out of the toilets.i wanted to touch his,but when he says he wantwd to touch mine as to fair i rejected,bt i don wan him to refuse me touching his,so i let him touch my cock by letting his hands into my pockets.i remember this so clearly because its been haunting my mind!!!
i feel dirty,i wana be clean!
i feel sad after tat...
any1 can clear the dirtiness in my mind???
counselor pls help me
STOP wasting our 'resources' in AA on meaningless thread like yours...
I SERIOUSLY THINK you're got a PROBLEM. But I'll reckon that you're either still quite YOUNG or have a rather IMMATURE or SUPPRESSED character. And don't think it's a GAY ISSUE at all... IN FACT, you have LITTLE RESPECT for gays...
If you think that by putting up with SUCH WASTELESS and MEANINGLESS TOPICS can make you feel better SIMPLY BECAUSE you've DEPRIVED of the OTHERS who TRULY DESERVES and NEEDS the TIME, EFFORT and ATTENTION MORE than YOU DO... Don't forget to CLAIM YOUR SHARE of the 'BONUS' the next time someone kill himself / herself or JUMP down from their flat....
HOPE THAT MAKES YOU A VERY HAPPY PERSON.... -
Mix Metal, it was never my intention to flame people in posts. I respect all opinions posted by people here, thus i wish they respected mine as well.Originally posted by MiX Metal:sorry but, instead of flaming each other, can u guys concentrate on helping the poor guy instead ??
As much as flowers appeals its beauty to diferent eyes( like the chinese saying ), so does opinion vary. I'm open to people discussing about my opinions, like you questioning me now. I'm fine! Anyway, unless someone steps on my tail, repeatitively, I'm docile
In my opinion Mix Metal, *takes a deep breathe*
Homosexuality can only be digested with a certain amount of acceptance. I have gay friends who're working together with me. And we laugh, talk & at times smoke together. I don't frown at them! But sometimes they'll give me an extra shoulder nudge, and i'll be like, ok. So far it has not moved to u know butt slaping, that sort of thing. Which is why i say, there can only be a certain amount of acceptance.
well now everyone's pointing their fingers at me eh. I started the flame? Let those who have eyes to see, see and those with a discerning mind, read.
OMG..
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I try not to but not all Christians are like u, they forget some of the fundamentals of their beliefs.Originally posted by geodome:Don't mention the religious bigots! -
homosexual? no. So maybe u don't understand where I'm coming from.Originally posted by SajNT:wait a minute, are you one yourself?
If so stop here. Period. I can understand where you're coming from.
But I shall tell u right now WHERE I'm coming from. I'm sick and tired of people who think that being straight are superior and go around looking down their noses at others thinking they can "save" others when in reality they're just ignorant about life and insecure about their own sexuality. I'm sick of all the self righteous people who have so much time on their hands that they find people to condemn just because they are different. I'm sick of all the people who cannot evolve their thinking trying to bring everyone else into the stone age with them. I'm sick of these people who think that anyone who does not share the same views as they on sexuality to be gay. I'm sick that all they can do is assume that everyone else is as backwards thinking as they are, that if they don't think its a bad thing to be gay, they must be gay themselves. I'm sick of ALL the stupid SHIT like that, when there is no need for ANYONE to go around making other people miserable about themselves.
You want to know where I'm coming from? There you go. THATS where im coming from.
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so very true.Originally posted by MiX Metal:and to SanJT, i have a question, how can one help when he is against homosexuality ?? nothing personal, jus a thought. -
Originally posted by SajNT:Mix Metal, it was never my intention to flame people in posts. I respect all opinions posted by people here, thus i wish they respected mine as well.
As much as flowers appeals its beauty to diferent eyes( like the chinese saying ), so does opinion vary. I'm open to people discussing about my opinions, like you questioning me now. I'm fine! Anyway, unless someone steps on my tail, repeatitively, I'm docile
In my opinion Mix Metal, *takes a deep breathe*
Homosexuality can only be digested with a certain amount of acceptance. I have gay friends who're working together with me. And we laugh, talk & at times smoke together. I don't frown at them! But sometimes they'll give me an extra shoulder nudge, and i'll be like, ok. So far it has not moved to u know butt slaping, that sort of thing. Which is why i say, there can only be a certain amount of acceptance.
I too have gay friends therefore I have to agree with u saying that Homosexuality can only be digested with a certain amount of acceptance. I jus feel that unless we ourselves are very sure of how the person's state of mind is like, otherwise we should excerise caution when giving advise.
well now everyone's pointing their fingers at me eh. I started the flame? Let those who have eyes to see, see and those with a discerning mind, read.
OMG..
I'm not saying that you are the one that started the Flame. jus feel the exchange of conversations is getting out of topic that's all.... I'm sorry if i cause u any discomfort.
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no all we have to see is who are the ones who like to start all the "its wrong to be gay" shit around here. They are the ones who start flame wars by spreading that sort of bigotted views around. Its certainly not constructive.Originally posted by SajNT:Mix Metal, it was never my intention to flame people in posts. I respect all opinions posted by people here, thus i wish they respected mine as well.
As much as flowers appeals its beauty to diferent eyes( like the chinese saying ), so does opinion vary. I'm open to people discussing about my opinions, like you questioning me now. I'm fine! Anyway, unless someone steps on my tail, repeatitively, I'm docile
In my opinion Mix Metal, *takes a deep breathe*
Homosexuality can only be digested with a certain amount of acceptance. I have gay friends who're working together with me. And we laugh, talk & at times smoke together. I don't frown at them! But sometimes they'll give me an extra shoulder nudge, and i'll be like, ok. So far it has not moved to u know butt slaping, that sort of thing. Which is why i say, there can only be a certain amount of acceptance.
well now everyone's pointing their fingers at me eh. I started the flame? Let those who have eyes to see, see and those with a discerning mind, read.
OMG..
lol at Devil1976's post
And as acceptance? If your friends know u're straight, and there is no chance of them with u, why should u ever get a butt slap? If there is only limited acceptance because u worry they might go too far with you, either your friends do not respect your sexuality, which is their fault as a person, its not a fault of homosexuals in general. In fact i know of much more cases of straight males who fall for gay women and vice versa, go out of their way to "convert" them, because they just don't know how to respect other people's sexuality.
More importantly, are u afraid that if they cross a line, u would be forced to face certain feelings that u do not want to think about? Is that also a factor in limited acceptance? Because that does seem quite plausable. And if your gay friends can't resist teasing u in that manner once in awhile, perhaps they sense u're not as secure as u really should be if u were really straight.
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well bottomline is they believe everyone is a sinner and nobody has the right to be judgemental unless they're God. If they want to believe then they should not be judging. If they want to judge, then they'd better not be Christians or they'd just be hypocrites.Originally posted by hiphop2009:bingo!...u share the same view poiints as me.......
and seriously tink he should seek prefessional advices.....sgforums is somewhere he can look at it and get some ideas but den if he reallie wans in depth advices den here is not the place.........
and the christianity part, well i hope you didnt rave up the mood of christian....because from wad i roughly noe, homosexuality is a v complex issue in christianity (correct me if i am wrong)....so we better leave dat alone and not going into it -
There you go again. As much as people do not dis your opinion off, so should you not dis em off. Respect two sides of view as much as you want them to respect yours.Originally posted by HENG@:no all we have to see is who are the ones who like to start all the "its wrong to be gay" shit around here.
I will say no more. Period.