FINALLY......... boys to men.
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its time for me to be a man. yes, National Service. as much as i am a positive thinker and having read many different forum with answer telling the guy no to worry or its just a part of being a singapore citizen and growing up... im still afraid.
and im pretty stress over it. call me a pus.sy or whatever, i dont think im ready. i play soccer and im not obese so the physical part of NS i still may be able to train myself and i believe everybody can take it if they are doin it almost everyday in camp. the problem i guess is, i dont think i can leave my life behind and turn from a normal civilain to a military life for 2 freakin years. and i got a real hobby/love that i need to continue doing. back when i was sec 1, i got in npcc because of peer pressure. after a few weeks, i decide to get out of it no matter what methods there is. i guess it is just NOT me. "yes sir", wearing uniforms, march, learning code words, military songs, and whatever BS there is. its just not my thing. i belive many of you understand what i mean by that. and now, i gotta do it for 2 freakin years?? i always have the logic that with hard work, one can make a million in a year. let alone 2. now dont get it wrong that i will be able to do. its just an example of how 2 years can change a persons life. girls already have a head start in their careers. i am really really sad and stress up right now. seriously.. i know there's no escaping. but dang... is NS really not THAT bad and 2yrs past by so easily?
PS: to anybody who completed NS over here, i got a few questions. pls help.
1) my fren told me BMT is 3months. and i thought that 3months i'll be stuck in the camp cannot go out. but he told me yes its 3months, but only the first 2weeks i'll be locked inside. after that, i can come out ever weekends for the next 2months+. is it true?
2) i heard the situation in camp is alot better den our father time. as lame as it sounds, do everybody have to bath naked together or is there seperate door like a usual toilet? do they give you limited shiitin time??
3) the most important of all. i doesn't know how to swim! and i heard that in NS, they will throw you inside the river and slowly 'teach' you and let you swim. and without completing a certain quite far distance, you gotta stay back stay back and stay back. is it even true? this is one of the reason im really worried about. i got fears of water.. i think im gonna freak out if they told me to swim in some river or even a 2m swimmin pool. is it really complusory to swim??
please guys.. if im not that stressed out right now, i wont resort to posting in a forum. not that its bad. but theres always some ppl who gonna try to bring another person down here.
its a public forum afterall. but for those kind souls, thanks. -
Hey dude,relax man.Originally posted by projectlime:its time for me to be a man. yes, National Service. as much as i am a positive thinker and having read many different forum with answer telling the guy no to worry or its just a part of being a singapore citizen and growing up... im still afraid.
and im pretty stress over it. call me a pus.sy or whatever, i dont think im ready. i play soccer and im not obese so the physical part of NS i still may be able to train myself and i believe everybody can take it if they are doin it almost everyday in camp. the problem i guess is, i dont think i can leave my life behind and turn from a normal civilain to a military life for 2 freakin years. and i got a real hobby/love that i need to continue doing. back when i was sec 1, i got in npcc because of peer pressure. after a few weeks, i decide to get out of it no matter what methods there is. i guess it is just NOT me. "yes sir", wearing uniforms, march, learning code words, military songs, and whatever BS there is. its just not my thing. i belive many of you understand what i mean by that. and now, i gotta do it for 2 freakin years?? i always have the logic that with hard work, one can make a million in a year. let alone 2. now dont get it wrong that i will be able to do. its just an example of how 2 years can change a persons life. girls already have a head start in their careers. i am really really sad and stress up right now. seriously.. i know there's no escaping. but dang... is NS really not THAT bad and 2yrs past by so easily?
PS: to anybody who completed NS over here, i got a few questions. pls help.
1) my fren told me BMT is 3months. and i thought that 3months i'll be stuck in the camp cannot go out. but he told me yes its 3months, but only the first 2weeks i'll be locked inside. after that, i can come out ever weekends for the next 2months+. is it true?
2) i heard the situation in camp is alot better den our father time. as lame as it sounds, do everybody have to bath naked together or is there seperate door like a usual toilet? do they give you limited shiitin time??
3) the most important of all. i doesn't know how to swim! and i heard that in NS, they will throw you inside the river and slowly 'teach' you and let you swim. and without completing a certain quite far distance, you gotta stay back stay back and stay back. is it even true? this is one of the reason im really worried about. i got fears of water.. i think im gonna freak out if they told me to swim in some river or even a 2m swimmin pool. is it really complusory to swim??
please guys.. if im not that stressed out right now, i wont resort to posting in a forum. not that its bad. but theres always some ppl who gonna try to bring another person down here. its a public forum afterall. but for those kind souls, thanks.
After 2 weeks of confinement(Mine was 3 weeks confinement),after the 2nd weekend,u will be allowed to book out after that weekly.
There are no doors.But there are partitions.And there is no limit for shitting.
If u dunno how to swim,its ok.They will teach u.
I have friends who still dunno how to swim after bmt. -
y worry?
u make it sound like going to prison. it is not so bad la. get to make tons of friends, learn new skills, do stuffs u nv imagined u could do. even learn more about urself!it is ALL about your attitude. u can chose to whine and complain or slack and bo chup or embrace what is thrown at u and do your best.
no matter what u still have to serve bo bian one. it is u who determine how it is going to be.
u will get to book out, u will get time to do ur own stuffs. the only diff is now u have less time to do what u like.
regarding crapping, u can crap all u want. just be considerate, ppl also need to use the toilet.
there are no doors in BMTC. in unit they might have doors. in the beginning u might be uncomfortable, but when u don't have much time to bathe, u'll auto forget about it.
as for swimming, they will teach u. in a pool. not a river la.
the passing requirement is to swim 50m br3aststroke. can use goggles even.
i know u can't swim. but don't u want to learn how to do it? think of ALL the activities u can do after u learn how to swim. u wan to go tru life not being able swim?
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if its tekong, then i can say
relax dude, its shiong, but its not SOF training for goodness sake
a. two weeks confinment, then can go back every weekend, but depends, you may kena confined or other reasons, maybe things like not performing to standards, or remedial training
b. each bathing cubicle has no door, and no problem lar, everyone has what you have, pls do tell me if somebody dont have what you have kekekeke
c. no, no throwing into pool or river, or all the thing you described. your swimming lesson start from the usual basics, like padding the water, although dont expect to be lax about it -
i think your problem with the swimming part is not about being able to swim...its about feeling you are not up to it..alittle bit sia suay in a sense...
if you are worried about it...tried going to swimming pool and have a feel of the water...
important:always swim along the edge first...just in case you need someting to hold on too...if not get a fren to go with you and coach you..
NS is not something you hear about and get worried...its something to experience... -
go learn swimming before you get enlisted.
i dont know if swimming lessons are still as bad as they used to be but i have seen recruits suffering because they cant swim. -
good luck to your posting.........Originally posted by projectlime:its time for me to be a man. yes, National Service. as much as i am a positive thinker and having read many different forum with answer telling the guy no to worry or its just a part of being a singapore citizen and growing up... im still afraid.
and im pretty stress over it. call me a pus.sy or whatever, i dont think im ready. i play soccer and im not obese so the physical part of NS i still may be able to train myself and i believe everybody can take it if they are doin it almost everyday in camp. the problem i guess is, i dont think i can leave my life behind and turn from a normal civilain to a military life for 2 freakin years. and i got a real hobby/love that i need to continue doing. back when i was sec 1, i got in npcc because of peer pressure. after a few weeks, i decide to get out of it no matter what methods there is. i guess it is just NOT me. "yes sir", wearing uniforms, march, learning code words, military songs, and whatever BS there is. its just not my thing. i belive many of you understand what i mean by that. and now, i gotta do it for 2 freakin years?? i always have the logic that with hard work, one can make a million in a year. let alone 2. now dont get it wrong that i will be able to do. its just an example of how 2 years can change a persons life. girls already have a head start in their careers. i am really really sad and stress up right now. seriously.. i know there's no escaping. but dang... is NS really not THAT bad and 2yrs past by so easily?
PS: to anybody who completed NS over here, i got a few questions. pls help.
1) my fren told me BMT is 3months. and i thought that 3months i'll be stuck in the camp cannot go out. but he told me yes its 3months, but only the first 2weeks i'll be locked inside. after that, i can come out ever weekends for the next 2months+. is it true?
2) i heard the situation in camp is alot better den our father time. as lame as it sounds, do everybody have to bath naked together or is there seperate door like a usual toilet? do they give you limited shiitin time??
3) the most important of all. i doesn't know how to swim! and i heard that in NS, they will throw you inside the river and slowly 'teach' you and let you swim. and without completing a certain quite far distance, you gotta stay back stay back and stay back. is it even true? this is one of the reason im really worried about. i got fears of water.. i think im gonna freak out if they told me to swim in some river or even a 2m swimmin pool. is it really complusory to swim??
please guys.. if im not that stressed out right now, i wont resort to posting in a forum. not that its bad. but theres always some ppl who gonna try to bring another person down here. its a public forum afterall. but for those kind souls, thanks. -
btw...i heard they only test proper breast stroke...work on it...and you should be fine...
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I guess everyone who responded have probably ORD. So now look back its not so bad. But its different when you are in it.
Don't get your hopes too high
When you are serving, especially in the early days, you will probably feel damn farked up. Sometimes you will feel it is the worst time in your life and its a complete waste of time. You might also feel sadness, hatred, anger or just pure sianzzz.
Or you might end up enjoying it so much and go on to sign on.
Its so hard to describe what it will be inside until you are there.
In the end you just have to endure through it like everyone has... 2yrs is really long, nevermind 2.5yrs, so just hardened your head and heart and go through it lor.
And don't worry, you will not die from the swimming
This is from someone 3months to clearing leave
So good luck and a little schadenfreude from me.
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army is SOOooOOoo super welfare now unlike my batch last time.
if u're stressed, i understand. but u r more fortunate dude! just enjoy ur time in NS..
once again, growing up is mandatory, being a man is optional.
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my nephew cant cope with army life too.
he keeps calling his father complaining and crying over this and that. -
i think i oso wun be able to cope sia.
and i gt noone to cry to either.
o well. -
many cried during my BMT days.
that was in 1983.
many were afraid of scissors jump. i heard they have removed it from the physical exercise. -
i have a good life during BMT. its so fun la. Do not worry. I have an officer who is a bit affectionate but he made it to OCS. If he can do it, im sure you could too......
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The one which you kena played like sh|t....Originally posted by dragg:many cried during my BMT days.
that was in 1983.
many were afraid of scissors jump. i heard they have removed it from the physical exercise.
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Tekong nowadays is like a island resort man... -
Like the title of your thread says.. "FINALLY......... boys to men". This is a process that one has to go thru. It's 2 years now, compared to my time.. way back when you are probably still a toddler (it was in 1989, when I got enlisted).
I received my posting and I frozed... It was Hendon Camp!... Stoned for 1 whole day in my room, fearing the unknown.. Din know what to expect.
My time during my army daze were fun, despite all the games the instructors played with us.. in the middle of the night.. giving us only 2 hours of sleep... etc.
Bottomline is, it's all in the attitude. You are not the only one that will / had went thru the 2 grueling years of "boys to men" transformation process. Be strong (mentally) & prep physically.. You will make it.
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I think most of already answered your questions before me... But let me be long-winded and answer my fair share as well....Originally posted by projectlime:its time for me to be a man. yes, National Service. as much as i am a positive thinker and having read many different forum with answer telling the guy no to worry or its just a part of being a singapore citizen and growing up... im still afraid.
and im pretty stress over it. call me a pus.sy or whatever, i dont think im ready. i play soccer and im not obese so the physical part of NS i still may be able to train myself and i believe everybody can take it if they are doin it almost everyday in camp. the problem i guess is, i dont think i can leave my life behind and turn from a normal civilain to a military life for 2 freakin years. and i got a real hobby/love that i need to continue doing. back when i was sec 1, i got in npcc because of peer pressure. after a few weeks, i decide to get out of it no matter what methods there is. i guess it is just NOT me. "yes sir", wearing uniforms, march, learning code words, military songs, and whatever BS there is. its just not my thing. i belive many of you understand what i mean by that. and now, i gotta do it for 2 freakin years?? i always have the logic that with hard work, one can make a million in a year. let alone 2. now dont get it wrong that i will be able to do. its just an example of how 2 years can change a persons life. girls already have a head start in their careers. i am really really sad and stress up right now. seriously.. i know there's no escaping. but dang... is NS really not THAT bad and 2yrs past by so easily?
PS: to anybody who completed NS over here, i got a few questions. pls help.
1) my fren told me BMT is 3months. and i thought that 3months i'll be stuck in the camp cannot go out. but he told me yes its 3months, but only the first 2weeks i'll be locked inside. after that, i can come out ever weekends for the next 2months+. is it true?
2) i heard the situation in camp is alot better den our father time. as lame as it sounds, do everybody have to bath naked together or is there seperate door like a usual toilet? do they give you limited shiitin time??
3) the most important of all. i doesn't know how to swim! and i heard that in NS, they will throw you inside the river and slowly 'teach' you and let you swim. and without completing a certain quite far distance, you gotta stay back stay back and stay back. is it even true? this is one of the reason im really worried about. i got fears of water.. i think im gonna freak out if they told me to swim in some river or even a 2m swimmin pool. is it really complusory to swim??
please guys.. if im not that stressed out right now, i wont resort to posting in a forum. not that its bad. but theres always some ppl who gonna try to bring another person down here. its a public forum afterall. but for those kind souls, thanks.
Before I got into NS, I had the same mentality with you about the 2 years head start for women and wearing uniform thingy... But at this point you should really understand... This is really something you can't avoid... Now... That should makes you feel better...? Many had initially thought that it's a TOTAL WASTE of TIME in there for the 2 years... IN FACT, though I personally agrees that 2 years might be quite long... But whether it's a total waste of time or not, depends on your own mentality to pick up and learn things... And make use of whatever spare time you might have... (Don't think too much about 'spare time' during your BMT 1st! )
One of the 1st thing you might not get used to is the confinement.. You NEED to TREAT ARMY like your NEW HOME!! In fact it's NOT EVEN your 2nd home... it's gonna be your 1st HOME!! YES!! Learn to GET USED to the ROUTINE and LIFE in there... Know your commanders... How to handle your superiors and PEERS... Learn to EAT, SLEEP and SH|T with them!! It CAN BE TOUGH, but NOBODY'S telling you it CAN'T be FUN!!
1. Yes. You'll be confined for the 1st 2 weeks... Subsequently so long as you don't make mistakes or meet objectives, you should be pretty much ok... The POINT is to STAY ALERT at ALL TIMES!!
2. Yeah... Things are ALOT BETTER now.. How you would be treated would very much depends on your commanders....
3. You swim in a pool.... They'll teach you but you must be willing to enter the water... There'll be no escaping that... If you can't pass your swimming, you might lost much priviledges compared to others.... -
Some tips on how to survive in the first stage of army life, BMT:
BMT:
1) make friends, make friends, make friends.
Start immediately. Try not to make enemies. Friends will help us get things done, reinforce each other's knowledge of lessons, defend us against backstabbers, and generally raise our morale. They may become our pillars of strength. Having friends means BMT will be alot more enjoyable. Very important.
Help everyone, don't treat anyone badly, even if they may not treat you well.
2) Just do as you as told.
Instructors detest smart alecks, who assume things can be done their way, that their way is better. Army doesn't work that way. One thing you have to learn is to: not be individualistic. Just do things the way you are told, the way you are taught. No room to be individualistic in BMT.
You will have learn things quickly, and do things quickly the way you are told. Never assume.
3) Understand that Army culture is different from civilian life.
The moment you step foot in camp, understand that you are entering a different world. This is not to make you feel stress, but to tell you to expect that at the start of BMT, instructors will be especially hard on all the recruits. Everyone, not just you. They will use all sorts of colourful language on all of you, they will harass all of you. This is done to establish control, so that recruits will understand that in Army, you have to obey orders. Don't fight this. Roll with it.
Understand that instructors don't have anything personal against you. When they use vulgar language on you, when they punish you, dont take it personally. Generally, it is done to teach you about something. Just relax about it, man. Don't hate them, this only wastes energy and distract you what you need to do, what you need to learn. Instructors will begin to let up a little once they see that the recruits are tranforming to suit the system, when they learn army discipline, the way to think and the way to do things in army.
BMT will be tough at the beginning, but as you begin to understand the system and make more friends, things will get better.
4) Be strong, there's nothing to be afraid of.
The transition from civilian life to army life may take a little getting used to. One my first day of BMT, I thought to myself, "how can I live like this for the next 2.5 years?" But once I learnt that my mindset had to change, that I was no longer a civilian but a soldier in training, then i began to understand what i was going through is necessary. So you will learn to change your mindset, the sooner the better.
Also know that treatment of soldiers nowadays is strictly regulated and monitored. Instructors may make life difficult for you, but they will also take care of you physically. Good instructors will take care of you emotionally and mentally. But not every instructor is good, so you have to take care of yourself. Make friends, they will help you get through it all.
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End with this cliche - many people have got through it, don't be afraid that you cannot make it.
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dun worry u can do it!
if u dun think u can, sign on police.....!!! -
dun worry projectlime..
cus i'm enlisting too..
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what do you mean?Originally posted by Devil1976:The one which you kena played like sh|t.... -
i think you're too tensed. my bro is enlisting this july also (we're gonna have a soldier in the family, how cool is that? ) and he is still playing maple the whole day.
so relax. you'll learn and adapt to anything that is required of you when the time comes. for now, just enjoy your pre-NS life. i have a feeling you might need it. -
The scissors jump.... Is it the legs and hands spread WIDE WIDE one...?Originally posted by dragg:what do you mean? -
something like that.Originally posted by Devil1976:The scissors jump.... Is it the legs and hands spread WIDE WIDE one...?
the thighs hurt like being stabbed.