Suicide, too dramatic?
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sometimes that is the only solution to a confused and depressed mind
no one can really say who is right or wrong
and yes, it takes courage and being selfish
frankly, if I choose to die by my own hands, no one matters, even if I leave behind loved ones, parents, childrend or whoever. Cause I cannot care less about anyone else even if I bring them pain. I do have frequent fantasies of sucides and how I would end it all and enjoy the freedom. Sometimes it takes a lot of effort just not to think about it.
To some, its easier to die, never to even exists at all. Living is too painful.
try not to make light of these people and the pain they feel. -
WRONG.Originally posted by snobbish:as i mentioned, if a person can do such a scary thing like attempting death, why not he use this courage to live on. If dying\ so scary he also dare, biting on and facing life should be easier?
its staying alive thats hard.
when you have reached that stage...
its not courage that you need to kill yourself.
dying isnt half as scary to some who are truly suicidal as it is to people who are sane.
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to sum up what everyone has says, it is fair to say that
sucidiers experienced difficulties that those who are well in life cannot really understand, hence to them, it is hard and addictive to attempt suicide.
however, because life is precious, we hope that they can overcome their obstacles and advise or remind them not to try to suicide.
these advices and reminders may not be too useful to these people, but i think it is still better than nothing to encourage them in forums. -
Hmm.. Somehow I've had that thought before... But the fact is I'M ALIVE.... And NAY... NOBODY'S gonna take that away from me unless it really have to be....?Originally posted by mistyblue:sometimes that is the only solution to a confused and depressed mind
no one can really say who is right or wrong
and yes, it takes courage and being selfish
frankly, if I choose to die by my own hands, no one matters, even if I leave behind loved ones, parents, childrend or whoever. Cause I cannot care less about anyone else even if I bring them pain. I do have frequent fantasies of sucides and how I would end it all and enjoy the freedom. Sometimes it takes a lot of effort just not to think about it.
To some, its easier to die, never to even exists at all. Living is too painful.
try not to make light of these people and the pain they feel.
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Hmm...
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Hmm...most of the time it happens when one cannot see or bear to live tomorrow's life with their current sadness/depression. Sometimes, it happens when people watched too much movies and they subconsciously reacted to this form of behaviour to appease their own sadness/depression. But, nobody will have the courage to actually kill themselves unless they are already at their most desperate ends of their mind, and sometimes they preferred to kill others if they do not have the courage to take their own life.Originally posted by AshedAnna:Some people think death is the answer. No biggie, everyone has their limitations. But what makes you crack to that point? Would it be too much criticism from the people you love? Consistent reminders of your bad past (if you had one)? Always told your incorrigible, never-changing? etc? Share.
Yes, it's true that everyone has their own limitations to their own sadness/depression. Everyone has their own sad experiences in their lives that they cannot overcome the grief with and still griefing over it. And this is the cracking point that they don't allow anyone to make fun of or criticised or reminded of. And nobody should ever even try to find out each other's cracking point and take advantage of it. Unfortunately, in this world...there are alot of sick people around us that will not hesitate to take advantage of each other's weakness to lord over each other. To be frank, this includes a lot of people in our lives including those we grew up with, friends, colleagues, and even people very close to us. So beware and never trust your cracking point to anyone but yourself...unless you have confidence in that person. And never to trust those to whatever counsellers or psychiatrics or social workers, cos even if they're trained to advise and absorb and work in that line of field, cos ultimately they're STRANGERS.
Taking own life is never the ultimate solution to any trouble/situation/sadness/depression, it is just the best way of escape from life itself. It requires more courage to wake up everyday and face the life in our future than to end it all within 20 seconds. (Heard that a person still possess 20 seconds of consciousness before going to see their maker
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Funny thing is, people never die for themselves. Examples like dying for love, money, work, school, pets. So think first before you really take your life, cos you could easily laugh it off and live another day. When you think that all hopes in this world has failed you, the remaining uncertaincies that you haven't thought of will definitely overwhelm it and you will begin to see life after it if you just hold onto life itself for one more day.
Good luck all, take care and have alot of fun being alive. -
You know what scares me about death? JUDGEMENT
Ever considered how armageddon would happen? I reckon like religious wars will start (pffft, all crap, I mean killing is way to easy a task for humans to do...God(whichever one it may be) wouldn't give them something that easy.) Then we'll all just nuke the sht outta each other. it would be like...a massive human suicide.
Most of the things we do nowadays are pretty close to suicide anyway. People have done pretty lousy things alive to others, probably thats why most of the time people die for some cause associated with humans. The fact that they can actually think death is going to be better for them means that they got some pretty bad sht going on. -
That's true, man. The thing is, people are always saying "why dont u talk abt it? Tell mee tell meee i can help u!!!!!" They always try to force out the problem, sometimes cornering the suicidal individual till he/she snaps. The pple who committed suicide have simply proven that they've probably exhausted every single bit of their energy trying to hang on, and can no longer live with themselves. On their side, they'll probably think that others are selfish for letting them live this depressed. Funny, that.Originally posted by mistyblue:sometimes that is the only solution to a confused and depressed mind
no one can really say who is right or wrong
and yes, it takes courage and being selfish
frankly, if I choose to die by my own hands, no one matters, even if I leave behind loved ones, parents, childrend or whoever. Cause I cannot care less about anyone else even if I bring them pain. I do have frequent fantasies of sucides and how I would end it all and enjoy the freedom. Sometimes it takes a lot of effort just not to think about it.
To some, its easier to die, never to even exists at all. Living is too painful.
try not to make light of these people and the pain they feel. -
Suicide tendency comes in when the 'on the spot' moment thinking comes in negatively.
People threaten suicide because they seek attention, a little more love, a little more concern and care. Ironically, by committing suicide, you throw away that attention, love care n concern forever.
Things will never be as bad as it seems. If one can take a moment's pause to think positively, life can indeed be beautiful. -
You want the answers to the questions; what and why am I in this world? Who brought me here (parents are only conduits)? Whatever for?Originally posted by AshedAnna:Some people think death is the answer. No biggie, everyone has their limitations. But what makes you crack to that point? Would it be too much criticism from the people you love? Consistent reminders of your bad past (if you had one)? Always told your incorrigible, never-changing? etc? Share.
You have 2 choices as far as I can see: Buddhism.... life is empty, meaningless and the only hope is to become a Buddha. So you do Buddhism prescritions for Buddhahood.
What Buddhism is not: worshiping some Buddhist gods.
The other would be to have Faith in God. Once you have Faith in God, then all you answers are answered and life takes on meaning because you know what your mission in life as predestined by God is.
What Faith in God is not:
Faith in God is not find a God that you can have faith in. That is faith in a God that you can understand and comprehand. You might have to start from there though.... but never settle on that idea of God in your head or that idea of God cast in stone.
You must have Faith in God, remember that. -
Proven? Not totally true... Ever heard of 2 heads are better than 1...? Let alone a troubled mind who are confused much of the time... That's really the basis for people with depression comes about...?Originally posted by AshedAnna:That's true, man. The thing is, people are always saying "why dont u talk abt it? Tell mee tell meee i can help u!!!!!" They always try to force out the problem, sometimes cornering the suicidal individual till he/she snaps. The pple who committed suicide have simply proven that they've probably exhausted every single bit of their energy trying to hang on, and can no longer live with themselves. On their side, they'll probably think that others are selfish for letting them live this depressed. Funny, that.
In most cases where people opt for suicide... It's not really just 'out of choice' thingy... It's really sort of an ultimate pain... The 'mental one'... Which drills into one's head like there's no means to stop it and no end to that...
They just need to realise that there often are alternate solution(s) for things... And be on their 'will guard' way before they break down... When they're already having suicidal thoughts... To handle those 'negative thoughts' while they still can.... -
Is an escape from the problem. I think is a coward deed. They are escaping instead of facing the problem.
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you can escape without killing yourself right? Just don't care? So I think the problem is not that they are escaping.... they cannot live with themselves anymore. It is mental illness.... you don't blame cancer patients for having cancer do you?
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Originally posted by FORGET-ME-NOT:Is an escape from the problem. I think is a coward deed. They are escaping instead of facing the problem.
No, no, no! You don't get it, it is not that simple for suicidal people. The pain that they feel and thoughts/feelings they go through is in a totally different level. I'm not pro-suicide, I still think there is a way out of it and it is not the final solution, but don't judge them that way. It doesn't help 
Originally posted by AshedAnna:The pple who committed suicide have simply proven that they've probably exhausted every single bit of their energy trying to hang on, and can no longer live with themselves. On their side, they'll probably think that others are selfish for letting them live this depressed Well, not all people are that selfish. There are people genuinely wanting to help suicidal people. Not because they want them to suffer more living with depression, but to help them get out of it. Not by trying to understand them, not trying to make them feeling obligated because they are being offered help. Just trying to show a way out, to show that there is happiness in this world even for them and it can be acheived.
"What doesn't kill me, makes me stronger."[/quote] -
all im going to say is, im glad you are lucky enough not to know how all that suicidal shit feels like...Originally posted by FORGET-ME-NOT:Is an escape from the problem. I think is a coward deed. They are escaping instead of facing the problem.
if one day you ever know how it feels like, you are so going to hate yourself for saying thing though... -
I will never have those thought. I scare of height so I will never jump down from high floor. I scare of water so I will never drown myself. I scare of pain so I will never take poison. There is no way for me to commit.
On top of that I think life is a mission for me, I must complete no matter how tough it get. I always look at those who are worst than me and I count my blessing. -
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The menatlity of a sucidial person is very locked up and locked in. logical and normal reasoning does not always get through or make sense.
In depressive states of mind, all preception is altered. All the person feels is being pushed ever more towards the edge, feeling lonely and all is too late, nothing will matter and everything else is just more confusion.
Sometimes, being depress, the person looses the energy to even commit sucide and sometimes, people who "help" but did not fully follow through might send these people to their death. The "help" might provide the depressed enough energy burst to take action. Cause the mind is still locked in that mental struggle, but the outside might try to present a face of calm cause everything, every though is only bent on finding release and the answer to the relase is now easily at hand with the new found energy to act on the sucide. People who "help" might think they succeeded but all they did was to cause a greater harm. So these seemingly "happy" but internally depressed people commit sucide.
Till the day everyone had been in years of deep depression with no way out, then perhaps people would understand the difficulty and really, not take these depressed people lightly. -
i think some people have no will to live, its not that they have no bravery to live on. they are so sick of life that they choose to end it because they can and they dont like life, not because they do not dare to live on.Originally posted by snobbish:Someone Once told me:
Suicide is Such a Scary deed that needs bravery to do,
If even such a scary thing you have guts to do ,
How Come you dun have The bravery to live On??? -
Everybody thinks differently...Originally posted by FORGET-ME-NOT:I will never have those thought. I scare of height so I will never jump down from high floor. I scare of water so I will never drown myself. I scare of pain so I will never take poison. There is no way for me to commit.
On top of that I think life is a mission for me, I must complete no matter how tough it get. I always look at those who are worst than me and I count my blessing.
Besides... Like the Chinese idiom goes... "Put the ants on the kettle and watch them run...." -
But life is not a still picture... It doesn't always stay the same... No matter how long the dark tunnel may seems...Originally posted by coffeeortea:i think some people have no will to live, its not that they have no bravery to live on. they are so sick of life that they choose to end it because they can and they dont like life, not because they do not dare to live on. -
which is why they say that if someone who used to be really depressed suddenly appears happy, it MIGHT mean that they have planned their suicide. basically, thats one of the warning signs of suicide...Originally posted by mistyblue:The menatlity of a sucidial person is very locked up and locked in. logical and normal reasoning does not always get through or make sense.
In depressive states of mind, all preception is altered. All the person feels is being pushed ever more towards the edge, feeling lonely and all is too late, nothing will matter and everything else is just more confusion.
Sometimes, being depress, the person looses the energy to even commit sucide and sometimes, people who "help" but did not fully follow through might send these people to their death. The "help" might provide the depressed enough energy burst to take action. Cause the mind is still locked in that mental struggle, but the outside might try to present a face of calm cause everything, every though is only bent on finding release and the answer to the relase is now easily at hand with the new found energy to act on the sucide. People who "help" might think they succeeded but all they did was to cause a greater harm. So these seemingly "happy" but internally depressed people commit sucide.
Till the day everyone had been in years of deep depression with no way out, then perhaps people would understand the difficulty and really, not take these depressed people lightly.
there really is no point in trying to explain how someone severely depressed and suicidal feels. no one is going to get it no matter how well explained it is. not unless they themselves have been through it all.
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I guess my words are too misleading, what I am trying to state is that these guys are not really brave but the stress they are feeling till the last point of their life often became the main driving force to commit suicide. In a morbid sense, death=no more stress, unless you are telling me that you believe in certain religions whereby you will be judged even after your death, I fail to see why death is not a release from the stress you are feeling when you are alive.Originally posted by Devil1976:How you know it's a release? Have you been dead before? -
You need not be judged. It's a 'release' with a high price to pay for. Everything you've got. Imagine having to suffer all this while and end your life from there. Then your life would be nothing but sufferings... Carrying on buys you a chance at something which could be so very different.... Sort of like your life paying back to you...Originally posted by BeEtHoVeN:I guess my words are too misleading, what I am trying to state is that these guys are not really brave but the stress they are feeling till the last point of their life often became the main driving force to commit suicide. In a morbid sense, death=no more stress, unless you are telling me that you believe in certain religions whereby you will be judged even after your death, I fail to see why death is not a release from the stress you are feeling when you are alive. -
Sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting too much of my time and effort on all these...
I mean... I'm ok with discussions... But why not people post some things more constructive in AA?
Instead of all debates about whether the others should die or not... Blah blah blah... For most of us, it's just words... But for them it's their lives....
Though I thought all these might be good for those troubled ones to figure and understand... But for many of them, they would just be doing 'selective readings'... (see how some 'normal' people in AA select their readings within the threads, and imagine what can happen for those who are confused)
So pls be sensitive to what you people say within here... Like I've said, I'm ok with discussions... But they simply might not be thinking like the way you and I do....