project partner problem
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i doing a pairwork project with a classmate. thought he and i can work together but obviously it wasnt as expected or this thread wouldnt be here.
his problem,
NATO
my problem,
faster do no time already
is like last fri i told him that we have to finish our poster design asap because our collaborated company boss wants to see it this week.
ytd i ask him, he said he got a lot of ideas, but cannot draw out. which is as good as not doing anything to me.
if i were to do it, he will kpkb that why is it we always use my idea, and his is the backup, but when we discussed that he should do it, he will always end up not doing anything.
tell me people, i really at my wits end. i want to be a good partner, but this guy is really testing my limits. -
Is he one of your $330 guys?
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ok i shall share the whole story here. not to push blame or what. just need someone to advise me on how to tackle my problem, namely him.
started out a few weeks before holidays end. poly holis
we took up a project by Grid network to launch their services into consumer market. i asked if he wanted to pair up with me so we both do together since we last sem already in the samegroup, we more or less know each other working pattern. he said ok, lets do it.
after accepting , we were both bz , me with IMF , him with some camp. so we met Grid contact after like 1 or 2 weeks. that was our first meeting, introduced and stuff, blah blah blah. then on that very week, we said to meet on sat to discuss, he say ok. but on sat when i ask him if he is ready to go, he said he not free. then i ask we already say hao liao sat meet, when last min tell me not free. he said o because friday night i no msg him abt sat meeting, so he thought sat meeting is off. KPKB here and there then decided decided tues we meet.
we met and for the first and only time we sat down to discuss our project. brainstormed a few ideas. he said he will do the report, ok so i let him do it since i ok with it. pairwork ma, must split up. up until fri night, he still no do anything. tell me all kinda crap reasons. so i ok nvm i do it, but he say no need he sat do it. ok so i waited, and he sunday night then send me.
forgive forget, i sun night took his report and edited. but by then i had already came up with my own report also. his report is more or less a ripped off from my report but since we are pairwork, ideas are most likely the same. so i used his report added a few new points from mine, and sent it to our boss. told him to think of some service plans. he said ok.
wed(ithink) morning we went to grid again. he came dressed in slippers. i so disgusted. then we went for our meeting. and we shared our proposal. ok ok ok. share liao, but i included my service plans in our proposal. then after our meeting , he kpkb why i tell him to think of service plans when i already included mine into the proposal. i was like, wtf? you mean just because i already had mine and i put them in, doesnt mean that you cant put yours in what! but i didnt say out la. i apologize and we went to school after that.
then following that we had quite a few quarrels, over our proposal. i cant remember exact details but i rmb i promised that we will send our new proposal to Grid on the monday of the next week. he say he do report but end up no do, so i again do it myself. then he kpkb why i do it and send in without his approval. i was like wtf you no do, and you blame me for doing it?
then because i am the contact person in my group, all emails are sent by me. ya and then after that we decided to meet our tutor for some advice on the first week of school. he told me on thurs morning that Fri 11am we can go meet our tutor. and that our 9am lecture v impt. i was v tired but i turned up in school at 9am for our lect and to meet our tutor at 11. my partner called me at 8.50am, pal i not going to lect, help me take notes. i will reach around 1030. i said ok you better come. then at 1045 he still no come, so i sms him, whether he want buy calculator anot. he say ok, he leaving house liao. i was like 1045 leaving house when we meeting tutor at 11? wtf?
so i waited, 1145, he called me, after my repeated sms to him. i was v unhappy that he fly my kite. he had to cheek to tell me , at 1145, that he is waiting for bus at his place's busstop. i was v angry liao. and of course my tone was v irritated. he actually said this to me, zhou she me, bu shuang ah? over the phone. i was like about to explode liao. so i told him as calmly as possible, we are supposed to meet tutor at 11am. what time is it now. he kpkb here and there then we hung up.
then we met up only at 3pm after our lecture. he came to take his calculator and left with his gf. citing that he got other committments to go to. ok lo he go i also dont care. fri evening, should go out de. but i stayed back for 2 hours till 5pm to meet our tutor ALONE.
then we quarrelled over our project during the weekends i think. we were discussing about a gameshow on the roadshow. it was my idea, but he wanted to use his. and his is crap. 3 days, many groups, and many members in each group. how are we going to get enough helpers and prizes for the winners. he just doesnt get it. he insisted on using his, because always i am right , he is wrong. he just wants to go against me and prove he is better. so ok i let him have his way, ask him do a simple words doc to explain his idea to me, he kpkb what waste resources. blah blah. in end i told him i not going to listen unless he put in word doc because i going to bed. and with that i really went off to slp.
was really pissed off he threatened to leave our project because some other group wants him in, so he says.
then we went school as per normal. i emailed my tutor to ask for help and he gave me a slot on thurs, which i have no class but my partner has. but he told me he going driving lesson because he fri has driving test. and so i went to meet tutor alone again.
discuss, advised, and stuff. i waited 1 hour till my partner finish class to tell him what our tutor told me. he orh orh. then went off after 30min.
then after which we put our project on hold. i continued to email our grid contact. and last wed we had a quarrel again i think. cant rmb the details.
but thurs i went to meet Grid alone because they wanna pass me the new phones to test. then after which my boss brought me out to kopitiam for lunch and asked about our proposal. so i told her as much as i can rmb. then she said ok, next time she wants to see us, she wants a list of helpers and posters location, poster design, and roadshow booth locations in our campus. i told my partner on thurs night, and on fri we discussed again. that we have to get ready all this stuff by monday, which is today. because my boss will be having meeting with the CEO and most likely she will want our materials by this week.
my partner hasnt done the poster design. but on fri night when he said he will do it, i said ok, he asked me, "then you do what?" i was like , since when i did nothing for our project? then he kept quiet.
what i was doing this 2 days is really nothing much, i suck at design. i was thinking about how to resolve our conflicts and how to combine both our ideas into 1.
my current situation
he wants our roadshow to have 3 booths at different locations. and to increase our helpers from 20 to more than that amount. each booth will set up a "mini class" space because he wants to have "classes" at 15min interval to teach our potential customers on the benefits of Grid's services.
and when i questioned his idea for more than 20helpers with the reason that we only have 20 phones to loan out. he said then dont give them the phones lor. then the class, who so free to go set up and who will go listen? he said get helpers set up lor, then get them to teach at 15min intervals.
for me, i want to cut down to 2 booths, minimizing the number of helpers to as low as possible. and to let each helper have the phones to use, so they know how to use it, and can convince potential customers easier.
how can you convince someone to buy, if you the salesman yourself are not willing to buy or dont know how to use?
and the cost for loaning out the 20 phones is like 12k because the company cant resell them as new sets because they have been used.
tell me which idea is more feasible? i thought of combining both ideas together, but there is a clash of interest so to speak.
and i also thinking of a new tagline and term for our project, and how we can organize the mini contest. and my partner just doesnt know it but still questions my contributions. btw our project will start on next week. see how rush i am...our marketing effort will start next week. and my partner and i still havent come up with a proper quiz or the design of posters. great right? -
song boh?
any way to get him off the project altogether? -
i cant it will only reflect badly on us to our bosses
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but later when it become very crucial he might blunder up everything..Originally posted by bladez87:i cant it will only reflect badly on us to our bosses
i dunnoe.. i've never worked in teams outside poly before so i can only suggest be careful of your own work and keep proper records of what you done, etc. so when it does come to the above, you can safeguard your own interests.
is it poly project or wad? -
final year project
this module involves us going out to collaborate with Gridnetwork for a project.
and we decided to launch their services into the consumer market. starting from ngee ann poly -
orh..Originally posted by bladez87:final year project
this module involves us going out to collaborate with Gridnetwork for a project.
and we decided to launch their services into the consumer market. starting from ngee ann poly
talk with your superior/supervisor/boss, and hear what they have to say.
crap happens, most of the time they understand because they have seen alot of this kind and how projects, which could have done well gone down the drain. and the last thing they would want is a good student's grades wasted due to one person's incompetence. the more important the project, the more effect they would put to straighten out your differences - even if they hate you.
our team last time also kana, i was also doing mediocre so its quite crucial we work together not to mention our team was one person short, we talked with our supervisor and he talked with that person, in the end, our grades were better than what we expected.
wai.^^ -
Make the decisions for big calls. Anything to settle out for decisions to be made, set date and time (ideally with a lecturer in charge around). If he doesn't turn out as agreed, he forfeit his call for decision-making. Less down and note those schedules.Originally posted by bladez87:final year project
this module involves us going out to collaborate with Gridnetwork for a project.
and we decided to launch their services into the consumer market. starting from ngee ann poly
If he wants impractical plans, he has to solve them and make sure they work. If you think it's not practical, voice out to the company or lecturer. Have them convince him, we can't be doing that to him. If need to, try drawing out 2 different set of proposals (one as a backup).
Set date lines for both of you to clear works. Let him know about your decision-making and plannings. It's really bad if he feels that he's out from your thinkings and plannings. He probably won't feel much attached, devoted or even part of the team. Try to spend time doing things not related to work... Like just a simple lunch, drink and chat session...
For a starter, to work as a team.. You'll need to have someone who wants to be IN your team.... -
hmm thanks. i talked to my tutor before abt this matter. he advised me on what to do le. which i am seriously trying very hard. but it wouldnt work. perhaps i will talk to my tutor tmr again ba.Originally posted by Ito_^:orh..
talk with your superior/supervisor/boss, and hear what they have to say.
crap happens, most of the time they understand because they have seen alot of this kind and how projects, which could have done well gone down the drain. and the last thing they would want is a good student's grades wasted due to one person's incompetence. the more important the project, the more effect they would put to straighten out your differences - even if they hate you.
our team last time also kana, i was also doing mediocre so its quite crucial we work together not to mention our team was one person short, we talked with our supervisor and he talked with that person, in the end, our grades were better than what we expected.
wai.^^ -
ya. thanks again. i have been making decisions for big calls, which led to him saying why is it always me and not him. like i am boss and he is a follower. i want to set dates, but he always use his committments to press me. i dont wish to have to email our tutor abt our dates or BCC my tutor, because he will say i da xiao bao gao, or even worse, backstab him and use tutor to press him. his impractical plans i have told him many times but he just refuse to accept. so i just say erm ok i go home think about it. how to make something impractical become practical. as always i do a back up proposal, just in case. which led to him saying always my idea, and not using his.Originally posted by Devil1976:Make the decisions for big calls. Anything to settle out for decisions to be made, set date and time (ideally with a lecturer in charge around). If he doesn't turn out as agreed, he forfeit his call for decision-making. Less down and note those schedules.
If he wants impractical plans, he has to solve them and make sure they work. If you think it's not practical, voice out to the company or lecturer. Have them convince him, we can't be doing that to him. If need to, try drawing out 2 different set of proposals (one as a backup).
Set date lines for both of you to clear works. Let him know about your decision-making and plannings. It's really bad if he feels that he's out from your thinkings and plannings. He probably won't feel much attached, devoted or even part of the team. Try to spend time doing things not related to work... Like just a simple lunch, drink and chat session...
For a starter, to work as a team.. You'll need to have someone who wants to be IN your team....
i do let him know abt my decisions and plannings, but he is too shortsighted. like next monday we need to put up posters for our project. and until now he still havent gotten a draft out to show me. my tutor also told me i work too much alone. like superman chiong nonstop. while my partner is someone who takes things slowly. if he can threaten to leave our project once, i dont see how devoted he is right now. while i want to be friends with him, i find it hard to ask him out, 1 if got time go out, i rather he do our project. 2 he always finding stuff abt his gf and church, his family biz, or whatever reasons to bail out.
your last line, really woke me up. i will try. even if this time i fail, next time i will rmb... thanks... -
Commitments. I believe often then not, most people would have them. But reminds him that this is his FINAL YEAR PROJECT. No matter how much less significant this may seems to other aspects of his life, this also requires a COMMITMENT with some of his allocated time. The key once again I would say is SCHEDULE. FIX appointments with him (have a time range period to 'possess' him). I think it's only professional that you constantly update your tutor about your progress and meet up arrangements. These are just updates. I don't see how a 'backstab' can happen with such, unless he has already pre-planned to avoid the appointments.Originally posted by bladez87:ya. thanks again. i have been making decisions for big calls, which led to him saying why is it always me and not him. like i am boss and he is a follower. i want to set dates, but he always use his committments to press me. i dont wish to have to email our tutor abt our dates or BCC my tutor, because he will say i da xiao bao gao, or even worse, backstab him and use tutor to press him. his impractical plans i have told him many times but he just refuse to accept. so i just say erm ok i go home think about it. how to make something impractical become practical. as always i do a back up proposal, just in case. which led to him saying always my idea, and not using his.
i do let him know abt my decisions and plannings, but he is too shortsighted. like next monday we need to put up posters for our project. and until now he still havent gotten a draft out to show me. my tutor also told me i work too much alone. like superman chiong nonstop. while my partner is someone who takes things slowly. if he can threaten to leave our project once, i dont see how devoted he is right now. while i want to be friends with him, i find it hard to ask him out, 1 if got time go out, i rather he do our project. 2 he always finding stuff abt his gf and church, his family biz, or whatever reasons to bail out.
your last line, really woke me up. i will try. even if this time i fail, next time i will rmb... thanks...
I think if he's the one who comes up with the 'impractical plan', you shouldn't always be the one trying to make it work. On the other hand, you should let him convince you (maybe also your tutor and the company) how it might work out to be.. Don't always put him down. Be supportive if possible. Try to work out the pros and cons of his plan. Let him try to talk his way out on the short-comings so as to earn the rights for his plan to be carried out.
Like I've said, have date lines for work to be done and cleared. Schedules for meet ups and things to be done. Have those forwarded or BCC to your tutor (boss?). It's always more safe to play by black & white. Unless you're with team mates you can afford to 'over-trust', which I would think not in this case.
A team mate is a very vital part of your project. It's about manpower and resources. Now that your project is only on 2 people, it's like 50% of your manpower available. The best way for a person to work is for them to work self-willingly. Spend at least some time on bettering the relationship with him, because if he's not convince that you're a good team mate / leader... Not convince that he should work for this project... Don't believe that he can be easy being with you around... Things just won't work out. Even if you throw him 10 hours, I bet he'll just channel it elsewhere. The downright truth is that the team would move along only if he BELIEVES in YOU and the PROJECT. Those are the cases where people fork out their own time jsut so that things could be done.
Last but not least. I do not really doubt your ability as a singular. But seems to me that for one reason or another, you do look like you have some problems getting along with others. So one last personal advice for you would be that other than your academic achievements... You might like to find some time reflecting on how you interact with the others around you (especially of people who doesn't like you) so as to find out possible fundamental flaws which might be existing within yourself...? If you could do that... I believe it would be one of the most invaluable lessons you might gain for yourself in the future to come... Which... You certainly won't be able to avoid once you step out into the society....
All the best for now?
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thanks devil. really appreciate your help. i also not sure of my flaws. but 1 of them is being direct and frank. impatience too. but when it comes to work, i really work.
my social and networking skills suck. i know that. but i dont know how to improve on them. reflection have been done. as a friend i think quite alright ba. but as a teammate, i really suck. and that will affect the friendship if there are friends in my team.
been trying hard to change myself. yet find it hard. but i will continue to try. hopefully 1 day i can... -
thinking back
how can i make him motivated to work for this project?A team mate is a very vital part of your project. It's about manpower and resources. Now that your project is only on 2 people, it's like 50% of your manpower available. The best way for a person to work is for them to work self-willingly. Spend at least some time on bettering the relationship with him, because if he's not convince that you're a good team mate / leader... Not convince that he should work for this project... Don't believe that he can be easy being with you around... Things just won't work out. Even if you throw him 10 hours, I bet he'll just channel it elsewhere. The downright truth is that the team would move along only if he BELIEVES in YOU and the PROJECT. Those are the cases where people fork out their own time jsut so that things could be done.
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you picked the wrong person as partner la...
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wu gao suay.
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after the 3 years spent in uni,
i can conclude that:
never get an assignment partner whois your friend
never do last minute work
pester is the best method!
if all things fails, take everything into your own hands and get it done before due!
hais... all because of my group assignment partners who didnt cooperate, we didnt finish work in time and just passed the coursework!!!
knn!! -
Moral of the story, Always find a pisces person if you plan to take the lead in the project.
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Hmm, or considering your horoscope sign, you shld have gotten a libra person to do project with you.
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Get some self-help books or read-up articles if you can for a start. Don't stop on the theories, see if those works could be put into work in reality and the people around you. Don't be discouraged if you don't see immediate results, always trial & error and try your way through...Originally posted by bladez87:thanks devil. really appreciate your help. i also not sure of my flaws. but 1 of them is being direct and frank. impatience too. but when it comes to work, i really work.
my social and networking skills suck. i know that. but i dont know how to improve on them. reflection have been done. as a friend i think quite alright ba. but as a teammate, i really suck. and that will affect the friendship if there are friends in my team.
been trying hard to change myself. yet find it hard. but i will continue to try. hopefully 1 day i can...
If you happens to come across any course or talk of such nature, try to get your share of booking too... -
Different people work for various reasons.Originally posted by bladez87:thinking back
how can i make him motivated to work for this project?
Some people for friend(s). Some under peer pressure. Most must believe in what they're working for. Could be academic results. Because they enjoy it.. Or whatever.. Try to find out yourself? Everyone could be an unique individual... -
I don't quite agree with that... Friends certainly have their own advantage of working together... Just that work still has to be done in the 'proper ways'... Well... To an extent?Originally posted by orange88:after the 3 years spent in uni,
i can conclude that:
never get an assignment partner whois your friend
never do last minute work
pester is the best method!
if all things fails, take everything into your own hands and get it done before due!
hais... all because of my group assignment partners who didnt cooperate, we didnt finish work in time and just passed the coursework!!!
knn!! -
Originally posted by shade343:Hmm, or considering your horoscope sign, you shld have gotten a libra person to do project with you.
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din read all the posts.
xiao di, u taking marketing or entreprenership specialisation?
wat product u selling? phones?
i cannot tolerate such team mates. i sure give black face at least.
since u have been doing the work alone, y not juz go separate ways?
let ur tutor know lor.
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alright latest update
wed we were doing fine. sorted out some info
then today. tmd.
tell him 11am we need go meet the estate people to book the booth. he say he too tired, not coming. i want discuss project he also say he v tired. so not coming. ok nvm. so i went to give the Estate incharge our proposal and explain to him. then after that, our boss called, i gave her the new info, and because our plan was to put up the posters next mon, but until now we still havent got the posters design up yet. so i v stressed with the timeline, and when i told my boss, she was also unhappy that we again gave her last min changes and info. so because i am the contact person, i get all the pressure from our boss.
then he came for lesson, then straight after lesson, i told him we need to discuss project loose ends because our boss called me and want them settled asap. he say he 530 got meeting, then disappear. that was when 520. and he really disappear. so i called him telling him that we really need to discuss because i need to send in a report to state what we want by today. and he heck care. insist on going for his meeting, then i say we need to do it now, because our boss called and wants them asap. then i told him , that our boss unhappy with our last min changes and last min info.
then he told me, why you always last min inform her? tell her earlier la.
then i was like wtf? i told him, oie, flyer design not up, not my fault right?(his part) posters not up, because i want get your approval right?
then he said, no need la, poster you just go ahead and submit la.
i asked him, tmr(sat) what time he free?
he said why always need to meet everyday?(which is not everyday)
then the next thing he said angered me
just because you no life, doesnt mean i no life also.
that triggered my temper. blow liao. told him hello, this is project,
he cut me off saying, dont hello me.
i was v angry liao. then i said ok fine dont talk liao tonight then say. then i hung up.
around 40mins later i use the tracking system in our phones to track him. guess where i found him? somerset... some impt meeting it is sia...go dating.
we behind schedule liao, he still got time go date. somemore everything depend on me to do. and when i do, he kpkb that always is use my idea and not his, then no seek his approval.
people pls advise me on what to do. i got a very good mind to go tell our tutor what is happening all this time.