A moment in time, this moment in time - Andrew PK Yap

• AndrewPKYap

  12 Jan 07, 14:10

  Originally posted by sunny6110:

  OK... I'm Out since its in aunt agony...
  
  guess u juz need some listening ears n No comments...
  
  And Gd luck~

  No it is not I need a listening ear, I am trying to help the people with "problems" in AA see the "reality" of life, the nature of time and space... I believe that it will help them cope and relieve their distress.
• blu_sky

  12 Jan 07, 14:11

  Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

  We do not have to talk about certainty of the future since you are so smart... are you sure that you can be certain of the past all the time? Is it normal for people to go, when they talk about the past "I thought, I thought!...."

  When an event has happened, it has happened. Nothing can change that. However, perception of that event that happened can be changed. Hope i've answered your qn on 'i thought, i thought'.
• AndrewPKYap

  12 Jan 07, 14:12

  Originally posted by blu_sky:

  wouldnt it be too tiring even if that is possible?

  Yes too tiring and too impossible... and since you are from accounts, too expensive, maybe?
• blu_sky

  12 Jan 07, 14:14

  Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

  Yes too tiring and too impossible... and since you are from accounts, too expensive, maybe?

  Yes, it would be too expensive.
  
  btw, did i say im from accounts?
• AndrewPKYap

  12 Jan 07, 14:14

  Originally posted by blu_sky:

  When an event has happened, it has happened. Nothing can change that. However, perception of that event that happened can be changed. Hope i've answered your qn on 'i thought, i thought'.

  So you see even the past is not "certain" right? So what is certain? Is there nothing that is certain? Read the "poem" again and tell me what is certain?
• AndrewPKYap

  12 Jan 07, 14:14

  Originally posted by blu_sky:

  Yes, it would be too expensive.
  
  btw, did i say im from accounts?

  OK ex-accounting student...
• Bontakun

  12 Jan 07, 14:15

  What is the purpose of this topic?
  
  With what do you put reference to "time" with?
  
  What can we learn from this topic?
• blu_sky

  12 Jan 07, 14:17

  Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

  So you see even the past is not "certain" right? So what is certain? Is there nothing that is certain? Read the "poem" again and tell me what is certain?

  I'll read and digest the poem tonight. gotta get back to my work now, or i will have to change my plans for tonight.
• AndrewPKYap

  12 Jan 07, 14:17

  Originally posted by Bontakun:

  What is the purpose of this topic?
  
  With what do you put reference to "time" with?
  
  What can we learn from this topic?

  "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking. It is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices with the truth." Your sig...
  
  It will help people become "LOVE"
  
  
• AndrewPKYap

  12 Jan 07, 14:18

  Originally posted by blu_sky:

  I'll read and digest the poem tonight. gotta get back to my work now, or i will have to change my plans for tonight.

  You are so smart dear.
• Devil1976

  13 Jan 07, 14:42

  Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

  What happens if you do not think of time in terms of a week, a month, a year, a life-time?

  Mmm.. Ok.
• rane

  13 Jan 07, 15:13

  Not wise to make rigid plan if the plan can be a flexible one. Guess in life be it relationship or others if possible (depends on the nature) if we choose to be flexible, we can be happier people! La, la, la, time to let our hair down, it's Saturday! Umm, nice weather, time to go and enjoy!
• AndrewPKYap

  14 Jan 07, 07:56

  Originally posted by rane:

  Not wise to make rigid plan if the plan can be a flexible one. Guess in life be it relationship or others if possible (depends on the nature) if we choose to be flexible, we can be happier people! La, la, la, time to let our hair down, it's Saturday! Umm, nice weather, time to go and enjoy!

  The trick is to live with eternity AND a moment in time at the same instance! I can do it but I don't know how to teach somebody else how to do that! It is a real headache!
• rane

  14 Jan 07, 13:28

  Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

  The trick is to live with eternity AND a moment in time at the same instance! I can do it but I don't know how to teach somebody else how to do that! It is a real headache!

  HUh, live with eternity and a moment in time at the same instance! Sounds very like Christianity - don't understand this statement, care to explain? To live for the moment and prepare for the future is what I think is necessary. The past serves as a reference and experiences that we learn to put in use for the moment and future.
• AndrewPKYap

  15 Jan 07, 09:47

  Originally posted by rane:

  HUh, live with eternity and a moment in time at the same instance! Sounds very like Christianity - don't understand this statement, care to explain? To live for the moment and prepare for the future is what I think is necessary. The past serves as a reference and experiences that we learn to put in use for the moment and future.

  Christianity is accept Christ or you go to hell, according to the mainstream Churches.
  
  Do you agree that everything is subject to change? That everything that you know and believe in is subject to change?
• Yunhaier

  15 Jan 07, 10:52

  Originally posted by rane:

  HUh, live with eternity and a moment in time at the same instance! Sounds very like Christianity - don't understand this statement, care to explain? To live for the moment and prepare for the future is what I think is necessary. The past serves as a reference and experiences that we learn to put in use for the moment and future.

  I think it sounded more like Buddhism.
  
  Cheers
• AndrewPKYap

  15 Jan 07, 11:36

  Originally posted by Yunhaier:

  I think it sounded more like Buddhism.
  Cheers

  Buddhism does not believe in "Eternity" does it? There is no "Eternity" in Buddhism is there?
• rane

  15 Jan 07, 11:53

  Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

  Buddhism does not believe in "Eternity" does it? There is no "Eternity" in Buddhism is there?

  Buddhism does not believe in "eternity" , Christianity does!
• AndrewPKYap

  15 Jan 07, 11:59

  Originally posted by rane:

  Buddhism does not believe in "eternity" , Christianity does!

  Mainstream Christianity believes in Eternity only in terms of Jesus and only in terms of Eternity after death, doesn't it?
  
  This world is "ruined" by sin and so there is no hope for this world.
  
  How can you live Eternity in this instance while you are here on earth?
• rane

  15 Jan 07, 12:10

  Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

  Mainstream Christianity believes in Eternity only in terms of Jesus and only in terms of Eternity after death, doesn't it?
  
  This world is "ruined" by sin and so there is no hope for this world.
  
  How can you live Eternity in this instance while you are here on earth?

  Andrew, i suggest you ask the christians re the above question. They have lots of theory, many of which are not practical and realistic.
• AndrewPKYap

  15 Jan 07, 12:20

  Originally posted by rane:

  Andrew, i suggest you ask the christians re the above question. They have lots of theory, many of which are not practical and realistic.

  I think Christians are not allowed to think for themselves. They are supposed to accept a set of beliefs and that's it. No questions asked. All their debates are conducted within their set of beliefs. They are not allowed to question their beliefs. The minute they question their beliefs, they are no longer accepted as Christians or they will be labeled as cults. I think it is such a waste because I study what Jesus taught and there is so much to learn.
• AndrewPKYap

  15 Jan 07, 12:25

  BTW even the moderators are scared of religious people.http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=231064
• rane

  15 Jan 07, 13:56

  Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

  BTW even the moderators are scared of religious people.http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=231064

  Hi, Andrew, moderators are not the only ones that are scared of religious people, they are many others as well. Some religious people are so extreme one good example is those terrorists who killed innocent lives.
• rane

  15 Jan 07, 14:06

  Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

  I think Christians are not allowed to think for themselves. They are supposed to accept a set of beliefs and that's it. No questions asked. All their debates are conducted within their set of beliefs. They are not allowed to question their beliefs. The minute they question their beliefs, they are no longer accepted as Christians or they will be labeled as cults. I think it is such a waste because I study what Jesus taught and there is so much to learn.

  Agree with what you said above. Christianity is rather "tyranny" and brainwashing! Even my catholic friend told me christianity is brainwashing. My other catholic friend told me the bible is outdated. I was invited to church (christian) and attended service for a no of years. I saw more of the ugly side of christians than the good side, and this is contradicting to the teaching of God. Many christians don't practice love as God wants them to. During church meetings they shouted, argue and quarreled with one another for differences and power, aiyo!
  
  Christians consider those who don't worship the same God as them are to go to hell and many of them condemn non christians and their religions. Hey, christians bear in mind not all christians go to heaven OK, so watch your words, actions, attitudes and thinking.
  
  
• Devil1976

  15 Jan 07, 17:51

  Pls refrain from religious discussions and stick more closely to the TOPIC.