Where to find cheap and safe abortion clinic?
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Just for a brief history lesson. Before abortion was legalised in many countries, many couples facing the issue of moral and social pressure...Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I'm not going to discuss any Buddhist views here (those who are interested can search 'abortion' on sgforums), but I would like to share something for those who are considering abortion.
Unlike popular misconceptions, babies of 1~3 months have heartbeat and sense perception... Meaning they can feel pain. Unfortunately most countries including Singapore allow babies up to 6 months to be aborted (and as you know babies as early as 4 months may be given birth and babies of 5 or 6 months old have almost fully developed). Even worse is that only a few percent of abortions in Singapore is due to medical reasons, others can all be avoided and alternative paths could have taken (i.e Adoption). Adoption is in high demand in Singapore right now (there's a news article on that last year).
Please do your own research and if you like, read my post on abortion. I have written a little more about that.
1. Have the guys running off because they do not wanna face the consequence.
2. 'Punished' (by death?) or some 'pushed' into suicide by the pressure of moral and / or society (it still happens today.. Heard of news of 'wrapped up' babies? Just that mother's lives are also endangered too for those cases).
It was quite a serious problem in the past, though I would agree that the society might be more 'open' these days about certain things... But still, being in an Asian country and a 'mixed generations' age... Many just cannot afford to opt to face the conseqence.
Some would rather die than to face it. Some suicided after they opt for keeping the children and cannot handle it. (or they sort of 'deserted' the children) Some having too much pressure ended up in a VERY messy life. Life for their kids ain't that much close to 'good' neither.
Of course, there're also examples of mums who take care of their child well.. Though I must really say fairly that the odd against that would be considerably higher? Especially in a modern society in Singapore where $ is important.) -
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Can't be lah.. last time when financial situation is much worse than now, people having 7, 8 children or more also can handle. Anyway like I said, adoption can be considered too.Originally posted by Devil1976:Just for a brief history lesson. Before abortion was legalised in many countries, many couples facing the issue of moral and social pressure...
1. Have the guys running off because they do not wanna face the consequence.
2. 'Punished' (by death?) or some 'pushed' into suicide by the pressure of moral and / or society (it still happens today.. Heard of news of 'wrapped up' babies? Just that mother's lives are also endangered too for those cases).
It was quite a serious problem in the past, though I would agree that the society might be more 'open' these days about certain things... But still, being in an Asian country and a 'mixed generations' age... Many just cannot afford to opt to face the conseqence.
Some would rather die than to face it. Some suicided after they opt for keeping the children and cannot handle it. (or they sort of 'deserted' the children) Some having too much pressure ended up in a VERY messy life. Life for their kids ain't that much close to 'good' neither.
Of course, there're also examples of mums who take care of their child well.. Though I must really say fairly that the odd against that would be considerably higher? Especially in a modern society in Singapore where $ is important.) -
What happens in a partial miscarriage? Do you think you should abort?
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How apt that one defends violence with even more violence.Originally posted by allentyb:F U C K LAH
IF YOU PEOPLE WANT TO BASH AT ONE ANOTHER
GO AHEAD LAH
DON'T WASTE TIME ALREADY
SETTLE FOR A PLACE AND TIME LAH -
even if there's a problem with the pregnancy, it will still be killing a life right?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:go to hospital better... KK Hospital. They will try to talk you out of it... so sorry that you have to take this route... please reconsider.
or East Shore Hospital (private)
and missqi, don't simply jump to conclusions.. for all you know there is a problem with the pregnancy...
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eh missqi i get what u r trying to say.
but the way u put it makes ppl feel like slapping you. -
Most of the discussion seems to focus on the boy the girl the morality etc etc
Lets look at the perspective of the baby....
Does it want to be given birth to and then given up for adoption??
Does it want to be considered a burden when the parents are not ready for it (esp if finacially inability)
Even if the baby is born and the parents cannot provide proper care and love, dont you think its better off the baby's not born?
There is no right or wrong cos every case has its own unique situations and conditions. But only those involved will live with the consequeces of their decisions.
Peace and all best to TS and others in similar situation -
if u dun intent to have a child,don't have sex...learn to control..now u r going 2 kill a feotus...it's vey bad...i know maybe u dun wan,but u can be honest with yr parents n c wat they say...
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I would suggest to you that your thinking is too simplistic...Originally posted by PamperedSoul:even if there's a problem with the pregnancy, it will still be killing a life right?
You will be one person that qualifies under "Ignorantly Blissful" but you might end up the other end and become like schizo people with unconscious assumptions in their heads.
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agreedOriginally posted by Mid9Sun:Most of the discussion seems to focus on the boy the girl the morality etc etc
Lets look at the perspective of the baby....
Does it want to be given birth to and then given up for adoption??
Does it want to be considered a burden when the parents are not ready for it (esp if finacially inability)
Even if the baby is born and the parents cannot provide proper care and love, dont you think its better off the baby's not born?
There is no right or wrong cos every case has its own unique situations and conditions. But only those involved will live with the consequeces of their decisions.
Peace and all best to TS and others in similar situation -
I don't think he/she wants to be killed either. He/She would want parents to love too, and many couples at adoption centres here and overseas are willing to give that love. Originally posted by Mid9Sun:Most of the discussion seems to focus on the boy the girl the morality etc etc
Lets look at the perspective of the baby....
Does it want to be given birth to and then given up for adoption??
Does it want to be considered a burden when the parents are not ready for it (esp if finacially inability)
Even if the baby is born and the parents cannot provide proper care and love, dont you think its better off the baby's not born?
There is no right or wrong cos every case has its own unique situations and conditions. But only those involved will live with the consequeces of their decisions.
Peace and all best to TS and others in similar situation -
Originally posted by Mid9Sun:
Good and timely.
Most of the discussion seems to focus on the boy the girl the morality etc etc
Lets look at the perspective of the baby....Does it want to be given birth to and then given up for adoption??
As far as I know most adopted babies do not mind very much that they are adopted. Most adopted children are quite understanding of the situation of their real parents. And most adopted children have a good quality of life as well -- especially when adopting parents really want to have children, that is why they adopt them. When they grow up, they are also like any of us, they can have a family, they can just be like any ordinary persons like us so an adopted child generally does not have a lower quality of life than any of us.
Honestly if you found out today that your parents are not your real parents, would you just want to stop living and become suicidal? No. You may be a little sad for some time, but life goes on, you can still enjoy living your life. And you will still appreciate your adopting parents' care for you all the while.Does it want to be considered a burden when the parents are not ready for it (esp if finacially inability)
Like I said if it is impossible to personally take care of the child, adoption can be considered.
Anyway nobody wishes to die, even if the parents may have financial difficulty to raise the child. Do understand that financial difficulty can gradually be solved but life is priceless.Even if the baby is born and the parents cannot provide proper care and love, dont you think its better off the baby's not born?
Same as above.There is no right or wrong cos every case has its own unique situations and conditions. But only those involved will live with the consequeces of their decisions.
However in most cases there are alternatives to be considered.Peace and all best to TS and others in similar situation
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Here are some links:Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Unlike popular misconceptions, babies of 1~3 months have heartbeat and sense perception...
http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/fetaldevelopment.html
http://www.lifesite.net/abortiontypes/ -
This thread not conducive for giving advise.
First few post were already starting hostile war and opposing views. -
http://sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=236060&page=1
Be it Pro-Choice or Pro-Life.
Respect one another views please.
If things were to happen to you, it will be your own decision too.
Let's stop doing the justifying until you've gone through what threadstarter have gone through. -
First few posts are first few posts, now is becoming better so it's fine.Originally posted by Haven:This thread not conducive for giving advise.
First few post were already starting hostile war and opposing views.
I hope that forummers do not become overly emotional from now as 'flaming' posts will not help anyone.
It doesn't mean that if we never smoked before, we cannot discuss about whether we should smoke or not.Originally posted by Haven:http://sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=236060&page=1 Be it Pro-Choice or Pro-Life.
Respect one another views please.
If things were to happen to you, it will be your own decision too.
Let's stop doing the justifying until you've gone through what threadstarter have gone through. -
It's ok to discuss objectively and with respect.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:It doesn't mean that if we never smoked before, we cannot discuss about whether we should smoke or not.
But do we know what the girl is thinking? What she's going through?
This is the more critical question.
We are good at sourcing and putting out facts and talk about morality.
But what is the real deal?
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fcker. grow some nuts and have some responsibility u cbk.
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It's better to bite the bullet now and face his parents and her parents. We don't know maganimous they can be even if they appear strict.
Imagine years down the road, when the lass gets married and wants to have kids...and is told that she can't due to mishaps arising from the abortion. By then it's too late, and she'll still have to face her parents. The feelings of betrayal will be far greater.
Even if she's still afraid of facing her parents, she can seek shelter at places such as Andrew & Grace until the baby is born. And I repeat, the threadstarter needs to remember the risks his girlfriend will be going through, and to consider her well-being.
Bring the baby to term and give it up for adoption. It's the safest option for all the parties involved.Originally posted by dcx:Aside to all these financial abilities, i presumed that both are at a young age.
Also, ever thought about their parent's views? With such thoughts of going for abortion, it could means that the girl's very afraid to let her parent know about her pregnancy, and her parent's very strict on her? I dunno...just some pressumptions. (What will you do if you're the parent n your daughter's pregnant at a very young age?)
All in all, i would say that raising a child is not easy and cheap, especially at a very young age, of coz, unless the parents are rich enough. But then, rich doesn't means that the parent will approve or agree to let the baby be born.
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Abortion
Abortion ends a pregnancy before birth.
It occurs naturally in 15–40 percent of all established pregnancies — when an embryo or fetus stops developing and the body expels it. This is called spontaneous abortion, miscarriage, or early pregnancy loss. Women choose abortion in less than 25 percent of the 6,000,000 pregnancies that are diagnosed in the U.S. every year — 50 percent of which are unintended. This is called induced abortion.
Women have turned to abortion to end unwanted pregnancies throughout the ages. In the U.S., induced abortion was common among Native Americans, and it was legal from colonial times to the middle of the 19th century. But unclean, primitive medical practices made it very dangerous. To protect womenÂ’s lives, laws against abortion began to be passed during the mid-1800s. But by the middle of the 20th century, cleaner, more advanced medical procedures made safe abortion possible. All U.S. laws against abortion were overturned in 1973 by the landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade. Today, abortion is legal nationwide and is one of the safest of all available medical procedures.
Use the navigation bar on the left to find up-to-date information about choosing abortion, first-trimester options, risks and side effects, various procedures, and information about the thousands of fake clinics that have been set up to frighten women away from choosing abortion. -
no offence..
but for the past 6 pages this thread has gone wayyyyy off topic -
fight fight fight
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i provide on topic suggestion!Originally posted by tek_koh:no offence..
but for the past 6 pages this thread has gone wayyyyy off topic
eat pineapples!!! its cheap and safe! -
Please read this website first before you make such statements: http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/facts/fetaldevelopment.htmlOriginally posted by allentyb:its a foetus, not a life yet,
Lots of people use this as an excuse for abortion. This is what I call denial of truth.