I concur with your observation here and you are wise to see it yourself. You sounded pretty sensible and level minded all these while.Originally posted by jackdaniels:i think he's being straightforward enough. leaving for work without saying goodbye. that itself is an good answer. except I'm disappointed when he came back saying he misses me. he doesn't. he thinks he is being kind by letting me down easy. it's just selfishness from wanting to keep me around from time to time whenever he needed to be close to someone.
mid9sun is right. life goes on. thanks all.
wa...drama...Originally posted by jackdaniels:Just writing in here hoping to feel better after pouring it out.
A little less than 2 years ago, I chanced upon Mr G through a shared project at work. Though there were no sparks and we hardly made conversation initially, one encounter probably initiated what carried on and happened the next 2 years. Things began rather strangely, I've never looked upon him as someone who might be my type. He is older and the sort who communicated more with mandarin and dialect, I am younger, and what you would call, the "ang moh type."
I was going through a difficult period of my life back then, having to cope with family and financial difficulties plus looking after my then bed ridden father who was passing from terminal cancer. That was when I started going out with Mr G.
I have no clear idea why I enjoyed going out with him, it was probably the annonymity of being with a person who didn't understand me or was very far apart from the realities of life that were hanging over me... I considered our dates momentary escapism. For a few hours each time, I left everything behind and went around a Mr G I didn't care for. He didn't care for me. And I found myself lured to this company. It was easy. There were no heavy discussions about life and problems, just conversation about the simpler things and some laughter.
A month or so later, we slept together. A few months later, my father passed. And Mr G left for work overseas. I have no idea really what things meant back then but I assumed it was over. My problems were over. And Mr G was gone. And so the affair ended.
Between the 3 months we dated and slept together, the relationship between us was a push and pull. I suppose. Initially, I'd been nicer. Sometimes asking him out for a movie but he didn't sound interested so I assumed we are hanging around each other for the sex. Soon afterwards he began calling me in the after noons, sometimes everyday, sometimes making a meal, sometimes wishing I stayed over and sometimes wanting to go out the same day even after we parted. Then he left. But found me a job with him overseas. I chose not to join him. And left traveling by myself. I didn't know why he wanted me to join him back then. The cynical side of me imagined he wanted a free bed partner and he wanted my company due to the loneliness overseas. When he called me during my backpacking days and asked why I couldn't seem to share the adventurous things I did with him, the better part of me believed he had feelings. Nothing happened in the end. He came back to Singapore. And so did I. And we carried on. We borrow our company; an occasional visit or drink. Momentarily leaving the realities of our separate lives behind and simply laughing about unimportant things.
We carried on behaving like friends in public. Other times intimate in private. Things were complicated because we ran in the similar public circles. Even after a year of sleeping with each other repeatedly every week, he was nervous, sometimes shy when we are out together. In private, he drank a lot. We bumped into each other at work and were formally introduced as colleagues. The irony of being asked if we knew each other before hand at the office when a few days before the introduction we'd been fucking each other's brains out was a little too dramatic for me to handle. Not knowing how to behave around him at work, I threw in the towel and left before the project began.
I left traveling again. The new year passed. I had no idea exactly what I was running from. I probably liked Mr G a plenty but had no idea how to reconciliate my liking with all that has happened. The same thing happened. He was alright, sometimes offering to pick me up or send me off, other times calling and saying he misses me. I came back. We started again. After a year of being strangers, he suddenly held my hand one time. I had no idea what that meant but he was quiet when he did it and so was I. We did nothing but slept with each other. Often nothing was being said since I told him he doesn't have to feel obliged to make conversation after sex if he didnt want to.
Because nothing was being said, I rarely knew what Mr G feels most of the time. Only recently after I came back from a last trip, he was often quieter but doting. Many times holding me very tightly throughout the night until I fell asleep. Other times he would sleep away on a couch, quiet, by himself old music humming in the background.
I realise at times that Mr G, is ultimately a loner at his best, solo from the view he loves. His private, desolate appeal was probably what kept me going back. Or perhaps it was the night, and a city in deep slumber that rustles a certain lonely quality, elusive and hollow, that brought me back to the same circle again and again. Sleeplessness from working erratic hours and probably loneliness. The need for closeness. Physical intimacy. I have no idea.
I don't know if he has anyone else in another country or if we were nothing. The pleasures of having experienced whatever encounter we had, was always deterred by spontaneous dates with others. When I would drive out into the same kind of night, with another someone, in search of filling the void left behind by Mr G whenever he wasn't around. I am beyond wanting relationships. Or the fun filled conventions of being in one. It tires me. It is exhausting. I have seen friends going through disappointments and anguish all for nothing in the end. And I do not want to go through it again. I have nothing to offer in a relationship neither do I know how to behave in one.
I don't know why I do it if Mr G meant anything at all. I'm not expecting him to consider anything serious with me because I am probably not worth his time. The last time we were out, he took my phone and saw the messages from my previous date. He didn't say anything. If he called and I was out with friends, he would coolly tell me to go keep my friend company. But continue sending me messages till I was home. He never asked me out on Valentines. Just wishing me happy valentines day the day before and sends me messages asking if I was home on Valentines.
Today he is back overseas. There wasn't difficult leaving and he'd given me the news after he arrived over there though I knew he was making a trip for work.
A few weeks before, I'd asked him what this was all about. He told me we are more than close and he wanted to mean something to me. But couldn't ask me for more because I do not want a relationship. He'd said the same thing a year ago, that he didn't want a relationship. (That is man speak for not wanting a relationship with me. I understand.)
And he asked why I never seemed to call him. That he wanted surprises. He was right about that. I never once called him or initiated contact throughout the time we spent together. Even if I were to cancel on him last minute, he had no temper. Just wishing me goodnight and to enjoy my evening, have my fun. It felt like I meant nothing to him because he was so unaffected. Afterwards he said there was nothing he could do because he isn't the type of person to keep pestering me if I didn't want to go out.
So now he is away. And I have no idea what would happen next. Probably a looming knowing this has finally ended. The last time we met, for the first time in my entire life, I'd been left alone on the bed while he slept on his couch. Afterwards ignoring me when I said goodbye. I'm not blaming anybody much less him. For a woman who has closed his doors repeatedly, I probably deserved it.
We will probably come and go in each otherÂ’s lives without warning. These intermittent encounters will continue leaving me with a hint of longing until the day I stop seeing him.
Just wondering what any of you would've done if you were in my shoes.
Originally posted by jackdaniels:When he called me during my backpacking days and asked why I couldn't seem to share the adventurous things I did with him, the better part of me believed he had feelings.
Originally posted by jackdaniels:Only recently after I came back from a last trip, he was often quieter but doting. Many times holding me very tightly throughout the night until I fell asleep. Other times he would sleep away on a couch, quiet, by himself old music humming in the background.
Originally posted by jackdaniels:And he asked why I never seemed to call him. That he wanted surprises. He was right about that. I never once called him or initiated contact throughout the time we spent together.
Did he actually say that he didn’t want a relationship or did you simply assume that it’s “man speak”?Originally posted by jackdaniels:A few weeks before, I'd asked him what this was all about. ]He told me we are more than close and he wanted to mean something to me. But couldn't ask me for more because I do not want a relationship. He'd said the same thing a year ago, that he didn't want a relationship. (That is man speak for not wanting a relationship with me. I understand.)
Then again, it is useless to speculate what he is thinking when you yourself are terrified of leaving your comfort zone.Originally posted by jackdaniels:I am beyond wanting relationships. Or the fun filled conventions of being in one. It tires me. It is exhausting. I have seen friends going through disappointments and anguish all for nothing in the end. And I do not want to go through it again. I have nothing to offer in a relationship neither do I know how to behave in one.
I think most people, wo/man would like to have a long term relationship... I am just surprised that you did not find someone else while you were with him... since he was not "the one" but "the convenient one".Originally posted by jackdaniels:Just writing in here hoping to feel better after pouring it out....
Just wondering what any of you would've done if you were in my shoes.
Is he a scorpio? Are you a sagi ? Not related to your problem, just curious.Originally posted by jackdaniels:Thanks to all for your thoughts and opinion. ItÂ’s baffling and funny observing how different male and female responses can be.
I’d rather not believe in possibilities of a single one out there for each of us. There may be several ‘the one’ out there. Although I didn’t stop dating other people throughout this time nor did I quit on living my life and doing the things I love, there were times when I feel guilty. Especially when he calls or sends messages and I’m in the middle of other company. I’ve had my fair share dating around, even shared more about my life with these people than I ever did with Mr G. But I didn’t enjoy them. Not as much as Mr G’s. I have no idea why.
Perhaps this is just false pride from wanting a person I never cared to have. Perhaps I am expecting him to care in return for nothing from me. Perhaps he feels I am not good enough for him. The list goes on.
For instance when he once cried, I didnÂ’t know if I should let him be or give him comfort. We are worlds apart. It could be a lack of understanding or a strange sense of distance keeping it going.
Actually I once asked him how long we have been doing this. All he said was every time feels like the first. When I needed some honesty because this could have gone on as long as the line was drawn (either we are only physical or nothing) he insisted there was more than and he didnÂ’t want to be alone. Then he said it was difficult to ask me to stay and to share. Then he refused to talk about it. Just wanted me to say it was all right between us. That everything is still fine.
This post can go on and on but even I am sick of myself. Much less you guys. I dislike the person I have become. Intense and confused. I'd rather be out in the sun and traveling again too, and laughing a lot while at it. Perhaps this was why I enjoyed Mr G in the first place. For who he is. Private, lonely and at times foot loose and fancy free. Perhaps this is just a channel for me to pour out some thoughts. I appreciate all the advice but will go with mid9sun. Life goes easy.
Thank you all.
You are a free spirit and loves to discover new things and new ideas. No wonder you love travelling around.Originally posted by jackdaniels:Hi curiousorange.
Mr G is capricorn. I am sagittarian.
Hi Ms Intense and Confused,Originally posted by jackdaniels:I dislike the person I have become. Intense and confused. I'd rather be out in the sun and traveling again too, and laughing a lot while at it. Perhaps this was why I enjoyed Mr G in the first place. For who he is. Private, lonely and at times foot loose and fancy free.