Don't condemn people in AA
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I wasn't even debating for the sake of winning.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:hahaha you win, I lose.... happy?
Oh, and a spelling mistake.
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I am just pointing out to people that condemn others that they have a major flaw in their thinking... you cannot condemn people simply because you cannot know everything and you yourself are not perfect.Originally posted by MiX Metal:Andrew
Your intentions are good, but its not going to be an easy task. Unless a mod is put in charge 24/7 there will always harsh remarks regarding the TS. Some may feel that they are condemning the TS while some may not. Its all a diffenence in opinion.
As you say, I dun agree with your views but that does not makes your views wrong and in the same time it don't mean I'm right as well. Diffenence in opinion.
You can voice your opinions and you can give suggestions... and I have said many times that people have different opinions.
When you condemn you are insisting that your opinion is right and correct and underlying that must surely be that you can see, know and understand everything perfectly.... otherwise, you give your opinions and your views and respect other people's opinions and views and do not condemn anyone... -
You started it...Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:U ppl think AA is chit chat issit?
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And you in the same way, condemning such people in the forum as well... so what's the point?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:I am just pointing out to people that condemn others that they have a major flaw in their thinking... you cannot condemn people simply because you cannot know everything and you yourself are not perfect.
You can voice your opinions and you can give suggestions... and I have said many times that people have different opinions.
When you condemn you are insisting that your opinion is right and correct and underlying that must surely be that you can see, know and understand everything perfectly.... otherwise, you give your opinions and your views and respect other people's opinions and views and do not condemn anyone... -
Originally posted by caleb_chiang:You started it...
O'really?Originally posted by caleb_chiang:And you in the same way, condemning such people in the forum as well... so what's the point? or is it that you do not understand what it means to give your opinion and what it means to condemn? -
It is not nice to condemn people..... I get it.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:I am just pointing out to people that condemn others that they have a major flaw in their thinking... you cannot condemn people simply because you cannot know everything and you yourself are not perfect.
You can voice your opinions and you can give suggestions... and I have said many times that people have different opinions.
When you condemn you are insisting that your opinion is right and correct and underlying that must surely be that you can see, know and understand everything perfectly.... otherwise, you give your opinions and your views and respect other people's opinions and views and do not condemn anyone...
I don't think that most people here are condemning anyone intentionally. It might be jus a missed interpretation by others on the opinions given.
Disagreeing does not mean that they are condemning the thread starter.
So you shouldn't worry that much. Lighten up dude ! -
Hi, I stopped posting on Page 3, I think, to take a look how this saga continue.Originally posted by MiX Metal:It is not nice to condemn people..... agreed
Disagreeing does not mean that they are condemning the thread starter... agreed
If you stand apart and take a good look at your views and others' views, andrew and all gals and guys, You will find the above true.
I see a lot of people disagreeing with Andrew's point of view.
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"not nice"?Originally posted by MiX Metal:It is not nice to condemn people..... I get it. In my opinion it bothers on "stupidity" and "delusional" and that is putting it nicely.
I am not talking about/to "most" people...Originally posted by MiX Metal:I don't think that most people here are condemning anyone intentionally. It might be jus a missed interpretation by others on the opinions given. I am simply saying that condemning people suggests ""stupidity" and "delusional""
Why do I say that people that choose to condemn others bothers on ""stupidity" and the "delusional""? Read my posts and tell me if you agree or disagree with the reasons given.Originally posted by MiX Metal:Disagreeing does not mean that they are condemning the thread starter.
So you shouldn't worry that much. Lighten up dude ! Since when did I say "Disagreeing " means condemning?
I wonder if you should go back to school and learn "comprehension " -
YES ! and you are the smartest human being alive ??? You go about asking people to stop all this condemnation issue saying these people that condemn others are in fact the stupid ones and then starts to insult others when they do not agree with you ????Originally posted by AndrewPKYap: Since when did I say "Disagreeing " means condemning?
I wonder if you should go back to school and learn "comprehension "
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Since when did I say "Disagreeing " means condemning?
I wonder if you should go back to school and learn "comprehension "
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Andrew, this is not nice of you.
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Wa Lan Bro.. Tell people don't condemn others then still dare to use satirical remarks.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap: Since when did I say "Disagreeing " means condemning?
I wonder if you should go back to school and learn "comprehension "
C'mon la andrew...
And alamak..
Condemning is also a POV la.. -
I meant it when I said you might need to go back to school and learn comprehension because you can't seem to understand the difference between condemning people and "having differences in opinion".Originally posted by MiX Metal:YES ! and you are the smartest human being alive ??? You go about asking people to stop all this condemnation issue saying these people that condemn others are in fact the stupid ones and then starts to insult others when they do not agree with you ????
You are really one of the kind !!! Saying one thing and doing another
You said: "Disagreeing does not mean that they are condemning the thread starter" and where did I say "Disagreeing means that they are condemning the thread starter"? I said, "disagree and give your views all you want but don't condemn"
Does it not follows that you might have a problem in comprehension?
I was irritated when you implied that I am suggesting that people should not give their views and opinions and refuse to say where exactly I said that.
I have given reasons why it is my opinion that "people that condemn others are in fact the stupid ones" and I have yet to see you show why you disagree with my reasons.
All along I said that people should not hold back their opinions but they should not condemn and this is a good example.Originally posted by MiX Metal:You are really one of the kind !!! Saying one thing and doing another
If I had said, "You are the most stupid person I have ever met" That's Condemnation. I said "You seem to have misunderstood my posts and this thread and maybe you should go back to school to learn comprehension..." that is giving you my opinion even though you might not want to hear it. -
Originally posted by Xiaozzhen:quote:
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Since when did I say "Disagreeing " means condemning?
I wonder if you should go back to school and learn "comprehension "
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Andrew, this is not nice of you.
Did I give the impression that I am asking people to be "nice"?Originally posted by royale9:Wa Lan Bro.. Tell people don't condemn others then still dare to use satirical remarks.
C'mon la andrew...
And alamak..
Condemning is also a POV la..
When I said "Do not condemn" I meant do not jump to conclusions...
What is condemnation? It is like "Sentencing" in a court of law.
"I now sentence you to death by hanging" meaning, I now condemn you to death... or I condemn you to life in prison.... or I condemn you to 3 months jail...
How can the judge in a court of law "condemn"?
For one thing, the judge has listened to all the evidence and admited those that are "good" evidence. Secondly, the judge has the statutes or LAWS of the land to guide him/her as to what is right or wrong and so he/she can "condemn"
In AA, and real life, if you condemn others, what LAW or STATUTES do you use to say that someone is "right" or "wrong"?
What LAW or STATUTES do you use to say that someone is "good" or "evil"?
Non Christians are not under the authority of the ten commandments. Non Buddhists are not under the authority of the Buddhist precepts.
So how do you condemn people if you choose to? What is the yardstick you use?
If you do not understand things like "acceptable" evidence and you have to condemn against a statute/law; is it not fair to say that people that condemn others are stupid to do that?
They do not understand that they need "good" "solid" "acceptable evidence" and they need a "Law Book" that is applicable to all in order to condemn. -
AndrewPKYap, I believe all these arguements you had with other forumites are due to the part whereby your replies are misleading. And the emotes that accompany it are not helping either. There is no sense of seriousness and alot of double meaning in it.
Just take a look at the above reply. Your 'wondering' already has elements of condemnation since you 'wonder' if the forumite's intellect or 'academics' is below par to understand your comments. The emotes are not helping as well with the rolling eyes giving a sense of smuck, stuck up attitude implying all the more you stand firm in your opinion and biased attention towards him.I am just pointing out to people that condemn others that they have a major flaw in their thinking... you cannot condemn people simply because you cannot know everything and you yourself are not perfect.
You can voice your opinions and you can give suggestions... and I have said many times that people have different opinions.
When you condemn you are insisting that your opinion is right and correct and underlying that must surely be that you can see, know and understand everything perfectly.... otherwise, you give your opinions and your views and respect other people's opinions and views and do not condemn anyone...[/quote]
[quote]Originally posted by AndrewPKYap: Since when did I say "Disagreeing " means condemning?
I wonder if you should go back to school and learn "comprehension "
If the person you are replying to knows you pretty well, then there will not be so much tension as he/she knows you do not meant it that way. However if the person do not know you so well, they can think anything good or bad about you base on your comments and mode of replies.
You may say its your opinion, however in other people's eyes they do not mean the same thing.
You have good IQ but your EQ needs refining.
You have good IQ but your EQ is suspect.
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Neither... both are your opinions and if you bother to back it up, it might actually be meaningful...Originally posted by Bontakun:You may say its your opinion, however in other people's eyes they do not mean the same thing.
You have good IQ but your EQ needs refining.
You have good IQ but your EQ is suspect.
Tell me, which of the above sentences is more condemning to you?
Condemning is: You have no EQ (and refuses to back up that statement)
If you condemn me and say: You have no EQ
Then I will have to question you if your IQ is up to par because EQ is not absolute... and so on and so forth which I have repeated so many times in this thread.
As it is you are a smart person and did not condemn me by saying: You have no EQ
To give me your opinion either by stating that my: "EQ needs refining" or my " EQ is suspect. " is in my opinion acceptable and even more so if it has sound basis. Reading your post in context, I would say that it has sound basis.
You might not agree with me that either is acceptable and presumably you would prefer the former and that is both natural and fine.
If I have a problem and I need inputs from AA, yours would be most welcomed whether I agree or disagree with you. -
Blah Blah Blah ...... we should not condemn others ..........
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Let you win OK? Happy now?Originally posted by MiX Metal:Blah Blah Blah ...... we should not condemn others .......... -
Bro read you own title for your own thread....Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Did I give the impression that I am asking people to be "nice"?
When I said "Do not condemn" I meant do not jump to conclusions... -
Let you win you still not happy?Originally posted by MiX Metal:Bro read you own title for your own thread.... -
Guys guys, let us stop this arguement. Shall we? Both sides have made their points. We all learn much from this thread. Let it not degrade into a battleground where even a slice of friendship is totally disintergrated.
Andrew, I thank you for your honest input and assessment. We will present more views in the future.
MixMetal, your view is also valuable for it is a side not many people has the ability to see and take heart to. May you continue to do so for the benefit of not only others, but yourself as well.
Others, sorry. Too many nicknames liao. I see alot of valid and truthful comments from your sides. I hope we can learn more by putting our comments through and reviewing and reflecting upon it.
Mods, hows life har? Ok ok, I have no problems with you guys & I trust you guys to do your stuffs well despite being busy people you are.
As for the main topic on 'condemnation'... well... I think it will keep going on & on & on... but we all have a clearer picture on where the line is right?
So... I need to learn more about blading... eh wait... no. Do it for me can? No more arguement. If no, do it for the mods. Let it remain a discussion and not a hotspot for arguement.
Peace.
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No Problem !
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Originally posted by MiX Metal:No Problem ! Originally posted by Bontakun:Peace.
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The way u condemn PAP and their supporters makes me think otherwise about this post.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:I am just pointing out to people that condemn others that they have a major flaw in their thinking... you cannot condemn people simply because you cannot know everything and you yourself are not perfect.
You can voice your opinions and you can give suggestions... and I have said many times that people have different opinions.
When you condemn you are insisting that your opinion is right and correct and underlying that must surely be that you can see, know and understand everything perfectly.... otherwise, you give your opinions and your views and respect other people's opinions and views and do not condemn anyone...
The way u insist ppl are stupid for voting for PAP makes me think otherwise too.
Dun try to act saint to increase ur publicity. WE WONT BUY UR LOUSY BOOK! -
I believe this is not about winning and losing.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Let you win OK? Happy now?
Let's be constructive about this topic. I prefer you when you are arguing. -
hahahaha... I only point out PAP failings (not condemn) because I can't stand the mass media always portray them as saints and god-like... and they always put themselves in good light.Originally posted by morbid4ever:The way u condemn PAP and their supporters makes me think otherwise about this post.
The way u insist ppl are stupid for voting for PAP makes me think otherwise too.
Dun try to act saint to increase ur publicity. WE WONT BUY UR LOUSY BOOK!
So it is my job to point out the other perspectives and I don't condemn PAP one... please point out where I condemn PAP and was not pointing out their failings? All out to defame people that criticise PAP issit?
You telling me PAP is god-like and no failings?
You don't buy my book is your loss...