Don't condemn people in AA
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Why do ppl just love to contradict themselves after a long session of posts..
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Because our brains are unreliable ??Originally posted by BadzMaro:Why do ppl just love to contradict themselves after a long session of posts.. -
If andrew is talking about those who posted here seeking pregnency/abortion advices, or those who had marital affairs and doesn't know what to do. Or those who have done mistakes which is morally wrong.
Don't condemn them.
I'll agree with that. -
Yeah. but in the end there will still be condemnation.Originally posted by M©+square:If andrew is talking about those who posted here seeking pregnency/abortion advices, or those who had marital affairs and doesn't know what to do. Or those who have done mistakes which is morally wrong.
Don't condemn them.
I'll agree with that.
There's nothing we can do abt it. -
I am not GOD I don't know, I can only guess... or try to find out...Originally posted by Xiaozzhen:You Really think so?
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What you say is true, but only if it makes sense... if it really makes sense... that is the most important thing isn't it? How do we know if something really makes sense or not?Originally posted by The man who was death:i think it would be good to have some guidelines on the way or the tone u express your point of views but not to restrict any views or judgements.....
i mean some ppl will post negative replies to the ts in a very harsh or "comdemning" tone...it's not wrong to have negative views but at least u can try to put forward your views in a less harsh tone....
i think it's better this way cos when ts post in aa it shows that ts is willing to listen to views from ppl but when u post your negative replies in such a harsh tone, some ts will naturally can't take the heat, ppl mostly with problems come to seek comforting words, when faced with such a harsh tone they might not be able to take it and will not want to listen to negative views and might even feel that no one understand his/her problems....
whether u post your views in a very harsh tone or a less harsh tone, it's still your own view but if u post it in a less harsh tone, ts might be more willing to listen and think over problems more thoroughly with more views from ppl....
If you say: "What an idiot!" - it does not make sense because nobody other than the one making the statement really knows why! In that way it is a senseless statement.
If you say, "You are an idiot because.... 1...... 2..... 3......" it might make sense to others.... they can agree with your 1...... 2..... 3...... or they can disagree.
The point is, if you come up with 1...... 2..... 3...... others can come up with a... b... c... that will contradict you.
If a... b... c... is more valid than your 1...... 2..... 3...... does that make you the real idiot then?
That is the whole point why people should not condemn others... you can see 1...... 2..... 3......but you cannot see/know/perceive a... b... c...
If you are truly intelligent and GOD-Like, you will be able to see/know/perceive a... b... c... 1...... 2..... 3..... x... y.... z..... to infinity.
Unless you are able to see/know/perceive a... b... c... 1...... 2..... 3..... x... y.... z..... to infinity, maybe you can give yourself the authority to call someone else "an idiot".
Otherwise, you can only say to the people coming here for help and comment on other helpers' posts by saying: "I think this because of this and that... and I think that you are wrong because of 1...... 2..... 3......" -
Just because you do not agree means that you are right? That gives you the right to condemn? You have perfect knowledge and can see everything? Of course we all agree and disagree all the time.Originally posted by MiX Metal:I do not fully agree with you. Like you say, my positive might be your negative and at the same time your positive may be my negative. It dosen't mean that if I condemn someone's action or hehavouir means that I feel that I am GOD it simply means that I do not agree with it.
That is not the issue. The issue is whether if people disagree with each other, they try to understand each other, they give each other their views or the condemn another.
Did I say do not express your views? This is a good example. If you did not say: (But I could be wrong again as u said our brains are unreliable) and simply say "You are such an retard for telling people not to express their views"Originally posted by MiX Metal:You say you are not expecting everyone to be the same, but after reading your replys against all those that disagree with you ...... I'm having doubt about what you say. (But I could be wrong again as u said our brains are unreliable)
If the thread starters are not able to accept all the different kinds views from the readers here which sometimes are abit too harsh I admit then I suggest they don't post here as I don't think there can be a 100% way of preventing it.
All I can say is that you are someone that believes strongly in your so call values of life, the proper way to behave. I respect you for that.
I did not say "Do not express your views" and I said, "Do not condemn others"
I hope you can see the difference. -
Why do you say that? You see, if you do not explain yourself... you have said nothing useful...Originally posted by royale9:Yeah. but in the end there will still be condemnation.
There's nothing we can do abt it.
In chit-chat, or when you want to TKSS, make a joke; when you do not want people to take you seriously... only then do you makes statements like:
"Yeah. but in the end there will still be condemnation. There's nothing we can do abt it."
Those that think so will continue to think so, for their own reasons and those that do not think so will continue not to think so for their own reasons and nobody will change their minds because you have not given them any reasons to.... why? Because you have not given any reasons!
So what have you done by making that statement? So what is your reason for making that statement? So what is the point of making that statement? -
morning andrew.
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Because one's man morality is another's man poison?Originally posted by M©+square:If andrew is talking about those who posted here seeking pregnency/abortion advices, or those who had marital affairs and doesn't know what to do. Or those who have done mistakes which is morally wrong.
Don't condemn them.
I'll agree with that.
Because no one has the perfect morality?
Because some of human acts in history based on one man's morality can cause the greatest harms?
In the extreme, we have suicide bombers. -
Originally posted by popikachu:morning andrew.
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
Don need reasons la..
Why do you say that? You see, if you do not explain yourself... you have said nothing useful...
In chit-chat, or when you want to TKSS, make a joke; when you do not want people to take you seriously... only then do you makes statements like:
"Yeah. but in the end there will still be condemnation. There's nothing we can do abt it."
Those that think so will continue to think so, [b]for their own reasons and those that do not think so will continue not to think so for their own reasons and nobody will change their minds because you have not given them any reasons to.... why? Because you have not given any reasons!
So what have you done by making that statement? So what is your reason for making that statement? So what is the point of making that statement?[/b]
If i give u anyway explanation, u will just argue in a POV that challenges my reasons.
Its like a Vicious cycle.
I also don't have the intention to change ppl's mind. Y shld i?
If u want ppl to share the same POV or mindset as u?
I suggest u go clone yourself, and flood AA with many of your clones so that more than 90% of the forumers in AA are made up of u and your clones lor.
Yeah right.
Andrew, the point is let it be.
Unless u have some supernatural abilities to change the mindsets of people.
OR u r the successor of JASON.
or u offer incentives la.. for every good advice, u get paid 10 cents.
Or go clone yourself
and what's the point of your "wanting to change ppl's mindset?"
U want to run for elections ah? -
You have no intentions of changing people's mind... you think it is pointless and the point is let it be... you cannot change anuone's POV unless you have some supernatural abilities.......Originally posted by royale9:Don need reasons la..
If i give u anyway explanation, u will just argue in a POV that challenges my reasons.
Its like a Vicious cycle.
I also don't have the intention to change ppl's mind. Y shld i?
If u want ppl to share the same POV or mindset as u? I suggest u go clone yourself, and flood AA with many of your clones so that more than 90% of the forumers in AA are made up of u and your clones lor.
Yeah right.
Andrew, the point is let it be.
Unless u have some supernatural abilities to change the mindsets of people.
OR u r the successor of JASON.
or u offer incentives la.. for every good advice, u get paid 10 cents.
Or go clone yourself
and what's the point of your "wanting to change ppl's mindset?"
U want to run for elections ah?
and yet you post...
Mindboggling....
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Y? Anything wrong with that?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:You have no intentions of changing people's mind... you think it is pointless and the point is let it be... you cannot change anuone's POV unless you have some supernatural abilities.......
and yet you post...
Mindboggling....
u want your so called "valid and justifiable" reasons again?
The reason is because I felt like posting.
What can u do abt it. -
You're arguing for the sake of arguing.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:We all have automatic thoughts in our heads... and in this case, it is highly probable that in most people's heads the thoughts will be:
"What a f.......g i.......t; haven't he heard of Karma? Hell-fire? Haven't he heard of Do unto others? Doesn't he consider how bad the guy will feel? Doesn't he consider how he will feel if someone does it to him?"
Yet our assumptions is that if he breaks up other people's relationship, the "other guy" will suffer (we can guess, we can never be sure)
We have also no way of knowing whether the breakup he caused will turn out to be a blessing in disguise for that guy. (we can guess, we can never be sure)
You might say... "Don't give me all that situational morality cr@p, wrong is wrong"
and he said: "No it is not wrong... it is fair competition...."
So is your "It is wrong" correct
or his "It is fair competition" correct?
You think you know.... you are so sure... especially before he came out with his : "It is fair competition"
To him he might even be doing the girl a favour!
So is trying to do the girl a favour wrong?
I don't know... you don't know... we don't know... we are not GOD!!!!!!
Don't condemn others. If you do... you will have very bad relationships all round....
His objective reality, and my objective reality, can be really different, true.
But what are you arguing here? That we are all imperfect, and should just shut the hell up so that we wouldn't "condemn" people and "impose" our views?
I condemn his actions because I think it is immoral. So what? My condemnation wouldn't stop him. He would continue on.
Then, signore, may I ask you what is his purpose of posting here? If he chose to post here, HE WOULD BE SUBJECTED TO CONDEMNATION, TO JUDGEMENT AND TO DISCRIMINATION.
We are not God, because God doesn't exist.
But we are humans with individual thoughts. And this individual thoughts WILL manifest itself in condemnation.
Better relationships? Have you seen someone who DOES NOT HAVE HIS OPINION OF ANYONE? People like this have good relationship with everyone, yes.
But they lost the thing which makes us superior animals. The ability to judge, think and reason. -
double post
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
You are arguing for the sake of arguing.
His objective reality, and my objective reality, can be really different, true.
But what are you arguing here? [b]That we are all imperfect, and should just give each other our opinions and our views and not "condemn" people and "impose" our views.
You condemn his actions because You think it is immoral. So what? You have made a fool of yourself because you are not GOD and you do not have the authority and perfect knowledge of the past, the present and the future Your condemnation wouldn't stop him. He would continue on and you would have wasted your time
Then, signore, may I ask you what is his purpose of posting here? If he chose to post here, HE WOULD receive sound advice and opinions from people that care without SUBJECTED TO CONDEMNATION, TO JUDGEMENT AND TO DISCRIMINATION.
We are not God, but the concept of GOD exists.
But we are humans with individual thoughts. And this individual thoughts WILL manifest itself in in having differing views and opinions.
Better relationships? Have you seen someone who DOES NOT HAVE HIS OPINION OF ANYONE and in full control of their emotions and wise beyond their years? People like this have good relationship with everyone, yes and we should learn from them.
And they possess truly the thing which makes us superior animals. The ability to judge, think and reason, properly and when you can think judge and reason properly, you will realise that you are not GOD and cannot perceive/know/appreciate and understand everything and hold back your condemnation and simply give your opiniona and views. Otherwise you cannot really say that you a superior animal with the ability to judge, think and reason. You are just an animal that thinks he is a superior animal with the ability to judge, think and reason but in reality animal with pseudo abilities to judge, think and reason and not in control of their emotions. Constantly forgetting that he is not GOD -
i dont condemn people in AA, they just condemn themself
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some people like to live a miserable life condemning everyone around them and have bad relationships all round thinking that they are a GOD when in reality they are bigger fool for not realising that nobody is GOD.Originally posted by royale9:Y? Anything wrong with that?
u want your so called "valid and justifiable" reasons again?
The reason is because I felt like posting.
What can u do abt it. -
I rest my case.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
You, by editing my post, are already claiming God. -
When people "edit your post" they are claiming to be GOD?Originally posted by binarynwitz:I rest my case.
You, by editing my post, are already claiming God. 
I am "REPLYING" to your post but using many of of own words to show you the errors of your ways... but then one can expect people that like to condemn others to be like that... unable to think clearly and can only condemn. -
Andrew
Your intentions are good, but its not going to be an easy task. Unless a mod is put in charge 24/7 there will always harsh remarks regarding the TS. Some may feel that they are condemning the TS while some may not. Its all a diffenence in opinion.
As you say, I dun agree with your views but that does not makes your views wrong and in the same time it don't mean I'm right as well. Diffenence in opinion. -
You don't have to apologise. You are not wrong in your arguements and I see your point as well.Originally posted by choco B:Judgement is part of life, there is on right or wrong or good or bad. It is what people do. One does not need to explain nor justify.
Sorry, I do not agree that there should be any guidelines with regards to opinions posted.
It is a free discussion with relations to this topic and I hope it will give the moderators more ideas and opinions on our views towards this. -
You are now imposing your views, and condemning me by saying I would not have a good relationship with people.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:When people "edit your post" they are claiming to be GOD?
I am "REPLYING" to your post but using many of of own words to show you the errors of your ways... but then one can expect people that like to condemn others to be like that... unable to think clearly and can only condemn.
Thank you.
And you are also assuming that I condemn every single soul I meet, and I am an egocentric dude who thinks he is God.
I think I can think clearly, as least clear enough. Ideals reminds as ideals. Practical practises are called practical for a reason. -
Originally posted by binarynwitz:
hahaha you win, I lose.... happy?
You are now [b]imposing your views, and condemning me by saying I would not have a good relationship with people.
Thank you.
And you are also assuming that I condemn every single soul I meet, and I am an egocentric dude who thinks he is God.
I think I can think clearly, as least clear enough. Ideals reminds as ideals. Practical practises are called practical for a reason.[/b]