Pain...
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There are medications that can help but you need to get a doctor's prescription. See a doctor and tell him you want "Prozac" and read up all you can about "Prozac".Originally posted by Donavan:I'll be honest. It's gone too deep, I don't know how to even break open.
I tried, clues, giveaways song lyrics, whatever not. If they got it they'd tell me not to be so silly, but I don't know if they know what I'm really thinking.
I don't know how to expose this either, it's gone too deep, no one really has an indicator of what's going on.
None of my friends know the whole thing. Yes, some know parts of it, but parts of stuff won't do much.
I don't have a blog, so I don't know if I can rant here. (my previous blog collapsed without a post)
Religion-wise, yes I do, but I don't really believe in it.
I have sat down and thought about some stuff before. It seemed to work, but then I'm back to Square 1 after only about a week.
None of my friends would really be willing to talk to me about such ultra-negative things; after all they and I don't really talk on similar wavelengths, I find it hard to even communicate with some friends. I admit, somehow I believe I've a freakish mindset. Everyone's unique, but I think I got the shorter end of the stick.
I ever asked her if she would mind my background a few months back, my horrendous memories before 13. She didn't mind, but I didn't really confess much about this later on. I want to be truthful, yet I'm bounded.
I tried hinting them using my iPod, to try and tell them how I felt... Didn't quite work out.
The following songs were used (they're still in my iPod)
My Way
Love Hurts
Boulevard
Knife
Casablanca
Reflections of My Life (by the Marmalade)
Yesterday (by the Beatles)
You're My Everything
Besame Mucho
Greenwood
Nothing's Gonna Change My Love For You
Feelings
He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother
I don't mind throwing out my entire songlist from my iPod, if it can help people understand who I am. (especially so since I believe very strongly in classical music pieces, olden kind of pop, blues e.t.c.) I feel people really have no idea who I am, after all it's an act I'm putting up. I want to stop acting, but it's become too serious; it's become other people's perception of my real life.
I want to laugh, but I can't. I want to cry, but I can't, too.
Every time you feel suicidal, pop a Prozac, but that is a temporary solution and [b}you need a fundamental change in your life.[/b] You see people around you enjoying life and you too can lead a happy healthy life. It is just that you do not know how, but one day you will.
How do I know that? I know it because it is not that difficult or impossible to be a happy person. The problem is that while it is not difficult to be a happy person, it is very difficult to BECOME a happy person.
If you have a religion but you do not believe it then you must look for something else, another religion perhaps or a philosophy of life to keep you going.
Info on Prozac:
http://www.prozac.com/index.jsp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoxetine
This medicine, they sell openly in Thailand, but then, in Thailand you can buy almost any prescription drug you want. -
After looking through your thread, I have to say that you are trying to escape from life. YOu do not like the way people treat you and you hope that by telling people how bad you are people will be sorry for you and treat you better. Sorry bro this is not how the world works. As long as you are health and able to work you will have to take on life that each one and everyone of us have to face.Originally posted by Donavan:I'll be honest. It's gone too deep, I don't know how to even break open.
I tried, clues, giveaways song lyrics, whatever not. If they got it they'd tell me not to be so silly, but I don't know if they know what I'm really thinking.
I don't know how to expose this either, it's gone too deep, no one really has an indicator of what's going on.
None of my friends know the whole thing. Yes, some know parts of it, but parts of stuff won't do much.
I don't have a blog, so I don't know if I can rant here. (my previous blog collapsed without a post)
Religion-wise, yes I do, but I don't really believe in it.
I have sat down and thought about some stuff before. It seemed to work, but then I'm back to Square 1 after only about a week.
None of my friends would really be willing to talk to me about such ultra-negative things; after all they and I don't really talk on similar wavelengths, I find it hard to even communicate with some friends. I admit, somehow I believe I've a freakish mindset. Everyone's unique, but I think I got the shorter end of the stick.
I ever asked her if she would mind my background a few months back, my horrendous memories before 13. She didn't mind, but I didn't really confess much about this later on. I want to be truthful, yet I'm bounded.
I tried hinting them using my iPod, to try and tell them how I felt... Didn't quite work out.
The following songs were used (they're still in my iPod)
My Way
Love Hurts
Boulevard
Knife
Casablanca
Reflections of My Life (by the Marmalade)
Yesterday (by the Beatles)
You're My Everything
Besame Mucho
Greenwood
Nothing's Gonna Change My Love For You
Feelings
He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother
I don't mind throwing out my entire songlist from my iPod, if it can help people understand who I am. (especially so since I believe very strongly in classical music pieces, olden kind of pop, blues e.t.c.) I feel people really have no idea who I am, after all it's an act I'm putting up. I want to stop acting, but it's become too serious; it's become other people's perception of my real life.
I want to laugh, but I can't. I want to cry, but I can't, too.
When we are born each person have to study as hard as possible to get a better job to fed us family.
Are you working? If not can I ask do you know how hard is it to pay the bills that comes in every month. Imagine paying for your own housing,electric, water,hp and many more.
Every month your parents slog to bring every cent home to keep you and the family alive and here you are whining and whining like a baby and asking how people do not pay any attention to your needs and hoping to died to solve all your problem.
All the above things you have written is just crap to me. Every single sentance is just telling people how you try to do it and just finding another reason how to cover it up, by not able due to some weak reasoning thats all.
People earn respect though helping people and not appearing so whining and needy, you are guy not a wimp, even a guy who is hadicap is much better than you. You are such a disgrace to yourself due to your constant thinking that you are worst of than others.
My advice is to go to the hospital and see those patient who are fighting for life everyday in order to live on so that they can see they family once again.
You think your life sucks? There are others worst off than you. -
Sheesh, with replies like these, it's no wonder why no one wants to seek help.Originally posted by kivine:Blardy coward.
Suicide is a crime.
You probably dunno this,but you bring much burden to your family and friends,
imagine all the suffering they have to go thru.
Just take anti-depression pills and clear ur emo songs, and listen to techno or some upbeat songs.And get along with ur fucking life, just like everyone else. -
As I've put it before: "To call a person "stupid" because he chose to end his life is uncalled for. These people have lost their way, and it is the responsibility of the people around him to bring him back. Comments like "Why are you so stupid?' and "You so dumb go hurt yourself for what?" are extremely hurting to one who is already suffering. Comparing his suffering to the suffering of others (like kids in Africa, starving people) will possibly make him feel worse and drive him off the edge. I would know because this is what many have done to me before. Shocking a person with harsh words is a gamble that should not be made casually, because the odds of losing are very high. "Originally posted by zeny:After looking through your thread, I have to say that you are trying to escape from life. YOu do not like the way people treat you and you hope that by telling people how bad you are people will be sorry for you and treat you better. Sorry bro this is not how the world works. As long as you are health and able to work you will have to take on life that each one and everyone of us have to face.
When we are born each person have to study as hard as possible to get a better job to fed us family.
Are you working? If not can I ask do you know how hard is it to pay the bills that comes in every month. Imagine paying for your own housing,electric, water,hp and many more.
Every month your parents slog to bring every cent home to keep you and the family alive and here you are whining and whining like a baby and asking how people do not pay any attention to your needs and hoping to died to solve all your problem.
All the above things you have written is just crap to me. Every single sentance is just telling people how you try to do it and just finding another reason how to cover it up, by not able due to some weak reasoning thats all.
People earn respect though helping people and not appearing so whining and needy, you are guy not a wimp, even a guy who is hadicap is much better than you. You are such a disgrace to yourself due to your constant thinking that you are worst of than others.
My advice is to go to the hospital and see those patient who are fighting for life everyday in order to live on so that they can see they family once again.
You think your life sucks? There are others worst off than you.
Whatever happened to empathy and sympathy? -
lol... first time i agree with zeny totallyOriginally posted by zeny:After looking through your thread, I have to say that you are trying to escape from life. YOu do not like the way people treat you and you hope that by telling people how bad you are people will be sorry for you and treat you better. Sorry bro this is not how the world works. As long as you are health and able to work you will have to take on life that each one and everyone of us have to face.
When we are born each person have to study as hard as possible to get a better job to fed us family.
Are you working? If not can I ask do you know how hard is it to pay the bills that comes in every month. Imagine paying for your own housing,electric, water,hp and many more.
Every month your parents slog to bring every cent home to keep you and the family alive and here you are whining and whining like a baby and asking how people do not pay any attention to your needs and hoping to died to solve all your problem.
All the above things you have written is just crap to me. Every single sentance is just telling people how you try to do it and just finding another reason how to cover it up, by not able due to some weak reasoning thats all.
People earn respect though helping people and not appearing so whining and needy, you are guy not a wimp, even a guy who is hadicap is much better than you. You are such a disgrace to yourself due to your constant thinking that you are worst of than others.
My advice is to go to the hospital and see those patient who are fighting for life everyday in order to live on so that they can see they family once again.
You think your life sucks? There are others worst off than you.
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Andrew Yap highlighted this few weeks back. (about condemning others)Originally posted by SturmDerSchatten:As I've put it before: "To call a person "stupid" because he chose to end his life is uncalled for. These people have lost their way, and it is the responsibility of the people around him to bring him back. Comments like "Why are you so stupid?' and "You so dumb go hurt yourself for what?" are extremely hurting to one who is already suffering. Comparing his suffering to the suffering of others (like kids in Africa, starving people) will possibly make him feel worse and drive him off the edge. I would know because this is what many have done to me before. Shocking a person with harsh words is a gamble that should not be made casually, because the odds of losing are very high. "
Whatever happened to empathy and sympathy?
Albeit your reasons may be cogent.
But the reality factor is not everyone will conform to it.
As u probably know, how hard it is to change someone's belief on a topic.
The more u say, the more the other person is convinced that he is right and u r wrong. (Pretty evident here in AA esp those controversial topics)
I believe AA is more suitable for the troubled and disgruntled to find solace in.
TS's mental ailment is pretty serious, and he should be seeking professional help outside, not in AA.
That is y i strongly recommend TS to consult a doctor forthwith. -
I concur. Any professional help should be welcome help.Originally posted by royale9:Andrew Yap highlighted this few weeks back. (about condemning others)
Albeit your reasons may be cogent.
But the reality factor is not everyone will conform to it.
As u probably know, how hard it is to change someone's belief on a topic.
The more u say, the more the other person is convinced that he is right and u r wrong. (Pretty evident here in AA esp those controversial topics)
I believe AA is more suitable for the troubled and disgruntled to find solace in.
TS's mental ailment is pretty serious, and he should be seeking professional help outside, not in AA.
That is y i strongly recommend TS to consult a doctor forthwith. -
I stand by what I have written down and I believe in my own words and advices. Could you point out which sentence I have written, is wrong in your context? In this realistic world there is no such thing as empathy and sympathy, I have learnt it the hard way and I still live on.Originally posted by SturmDerSchatten:As I've put it before: "To call a person "stupid" because he chose to end his life is uncalled for. These people have lost their way, and it is the responsibility of the people around him to bring him back. Comments like "Why are you so stupid?' and "You so dumb go hurt yourself for what?" are extremely hurting to one who is already suffering. Comparing his suffering to the suffering of others (like kids in Africa, starving people) will possibly make him feel worse and drive him off the edge. I would know because this is what many have done to me before. Shocking a person with harsh words is a gamble that should not be made casually, because the odds of losing are very high. "
Whatever happened to empathy and sympathy?
Just look at the guy. Everyone pity him so much that they give in to him saying good advices and this will only led him to think that just by acting pityfull will gain the pity of others and they will in turn give in to him. I do not agree with your point of saying my words are hash. This are the words of the real truth out there. -
I understand that your intentions are good and that what u said make sense.Originally posted by zeny:I stand by what I have written down and I believe in my own words and advices. Could you point out which sentence I have written, is wrong in your context? In this realistic world there is no such thing as empathy and sympathy, I have learnt it the hard way and I still live on.
Just look at the guy. Everyone pity him so much that they give in to him saying good advices and this will only led him to think that just by acting pityfull will gain the pity of others and they will in turn give in to him. I do not agree with your point of saying my words are hash. This are the words of the real truth out there.
But your approach is wrong.
If this thread is abt some "I cannot get over my ex" , " I'm feeling melancholy", " I hate bla bla" , etc. I have no qualms on your stand to wake up their idea if that were the case.
But We are dealing with someone SUICIDAL here.
I hope u understand that this is exceptional.
SUICIDAL thoughts should be handled on a different level. Best by professional help. but since TS already chose to post his prob in AA, i think the least we can do is not to compound to his problems.
“Those problems weren't enough to commit suicide over,” is often said by people who know little about the mental distress they are going through. You cannot assume that because you feel something is not worth being suicidal about, that the person you are with feels the same way. It is not how bad the problem is, but how badly it's hurting the person who has it.
If TS is feeling suicidal, it is highly likely that he is experiencing some form of depression.
We should be trying to alleviate his pain, rather than increase or prolong it.
Some people have this bad habit of trivializing depression (often unintentionally) by dropping a platitude on the depressed person as if that is the one thing they needed to hear. While some of these thoughts have been helpful to some people (for example, some find that praying is very helpful), the context in which they are often said mitigates any intended benefit to the hearer.
Here are some examples:
“What’s wrong with you? Why can’t you snap out of it and get on with your life?”"Will u stop whinning?" - these judgments are invalid and abusive.
Even statments like, "Stop feeling sorry for yourself.""There are a lot of people worse off than you", "But it's all in your mind.", "I thought you were stronger than that.", "Get a grip.", are imprudent to say. Really.
Platitudes don't cure depression.
TS,
Some people will react badly to your suicidal feelings, either because they are frightened, or angry; they may actually increase your pain instead of helping you, despite their intentions, by saying or doing thoughtless things. You have to understand that their bad reactions are about their fears, not about you. -
Originally posted by royale9:
Extremely mature post, one which I totally agree.
I understand that your intentions are good and that what u said make sense.
But your approach is wrong.
If this thread is abt some "I cannot get over my ex" , " I'm feeling melancholy", " I hate bla bla" , etc. I have no qualms on your stand to wake up their idea if that were the case.
But We are dealing with someone [b]SUICIDAL here.
I hope u understand that this is exceptional.
SUICIDAL thoughts should be handled on a different level. Best by professional help. but since TS already chose to post his prob in AA, i think the least we can do is not to compound to his problems.
“Those problems weren't enough to commit suicide over,” is often said by people who know little about the mental distress they are going through. You cannot assume that because you feel something is not worth being suicidal about, that the person you are with feels the same way. It is not how bad the problem is, but how badly it's hurting the person who has it.
If TS is feeling suicidal, it is highly likely that he is experiencing some form of depression.
We should be trying to alleviate his pain, rather than increase or prolong it. Some people have this bad habit of trivializing depression (often unintentionally) by dropping a platitude on the depressed person as if that is the one thing they needed to hear. While some of these thoughts have been helpful to some people (for example, some find that praying is very helpful), the context in which they are often said mitigates any intended benefit to the hearer.
Here are some examples:
“What’s wrong with you? Why can’t you snap out of it and get on with your life?”"Will u stop whinning?" - these judgments are invalid and abusive.
Even statments like, "Stop feeling sorry for yourself.""There are a lot of people worse off than you", "But it's all in your mind.", "I thought you were stronger than that.", "Get a grip.", are imprudent to say. Really.
Platitudes don't cure depression.
TS,
Some people will react badly to your suicidal feelings, either because they are frightened, or angry; they may actually increase your pain instead of helping you, despite their intentions, by saying or doing thoughtless things. You have to understand that their bad reactions are about their fears, not about you.
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TS, you need to talk to a professional counsellor, whether on the phone or in person.
Get help fast! It's worth it, and can make a real difference. -
Originally posted by royale9:
Before I start I would like to ask, how do you feel about the below sentence?
I understand that your intentions are good and that what u said make sense.
But your approach is wrong.
If this thread is abt some "I cannot get over my ex" , " I'm feeling melancholy", " I hate bla bla" , etc. I have no qualms on your stand to wake up their idea if that were the case.
But We are dealing with someone [b]SUICIDAL here.
I hope u understand that this is exceptional.
SUICIDAL thoughts should be handled on a different level. Best by professional help. but since TS already chose to post his prob in AA, i think the least we can do is not to compound to his problems.
“Those problems weren't enough to commit suicide over,” is often said by people who know little about the mental distress they are going through. You cannot assume that because you feel something is not worth being suicidal about, that the person you are with feels the same way. It is not how bad the problem is, but how badly it's hurting the person who has it.
If TS is feeling suicidal, it is highly likely that he is experiencing some form of depression.
We should be trying to alleviate his pain, rather than increase or prolong it. Some people have this bad habit of trivializing depression (often unintentionally) by dropping a platitude on the depressed person as if that is the one thing they needed to hear. While some of these thoughts have been helpful to some people (for example, some find that praying is very helpful), the context in which they are often said mitigates any intended benefit to the hearer.
Here are some examples:
“What’s wrong with you? Why can’t you snap out of it and get on with your life?”"Will u stop whinning?" - these judgments are invalid and abusive.
Even statments like, "Stop feeling sorry for yourself.""There are a lot of people worse off than you", "But it's all in your mind.", "I thought you were stronger than that.", "Get a grip.", are imprudent to say. Really.
Platitudes don't cure depression.
TS,
Some people will react badly to your suicidal feelings, either because they are frightened, or angry; they may actually increase your pain instead of helping you, despite their intentions, by saying or doing thoughtless things. You have to understand that their bad reactions are about their fears, not about you.
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" The only thing that seems to really stop me from suicide now is in actual fact, the hope of chasing someone. (name cannot be disclosed as of press time) That's the only reason for now why I'm living on. "
Do you seriously think that this guy is serious ? -
Originally posted by royale9:
"your approach is wrong.
I understand that your intentions are good and that what u said make sense.
But your approach is wrong.
If this thread is abt some "I cannot get over my ex" , " I'm feeling melancholy", " I hate bla bla" , etc. I have no qualms on your stand to wake up their idea if that were the case.
But We are dealing with someone [b]SUICIDAL here.
I hope u understand that this is exceptional.
SUICIDAL thoughts should be handled on a different level. Best by professional help. but since TS already chose to post his prob in AA, i think the least we can do is not to compound to his problems.
“Those problems weren't enough to commit suicide over,” is often said by people who know little about the mental distress they are going through. You cannot assume that because you feel something is not worth being suicidal about, that the person you are with feels the same way. It is not how bad the problem is, but how badly it's hurting the person who has it.
If TS is feeling suicidal, it is highly likely that he is experiencing some form of depression.
We should be trying to alleviate his pain, rather than increase or prolong it. Some people have this bad habit of trivializing depression (often unintentionally) by dropping a platitude on the depressed person as if that is the one thing they needed to hear. While some of these thoughts have been helpful to some people (for example, some find that praying is very helpful), the context in which they are often said mitigates any intended benefit to the hearer.
Here are some examples:
“What’s wrong with you? Why can’t you snap out of it and get on with your life?”"Will u stop whinning?" - these judgments are invalid and abusive.
Even statments like, "Stop feeling sorry for yourself.""There are a lot of people worse off than you", "But it's all in your mind.", "I thought you were stronger than that.", "Get a grip.", are imprudent to say. Really.
Platitudes don't cure depression.
TS,
Some people will react badly to your suicidal feelings, either because they are frightened, or angry; they may actually increase your pain instead of helping you, despite their intentions, by saying or doing thoughtless things. You have to understand that their bad reactions are about their fears, not about you.
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Since you feel my approach is wrong then how do you think I should write it ?
"YOu are such a poor thing, you should not feel depressed, you should go to a doctor to solve your problem."
Wow nice everything just throw to the doctor to solve the problem.
Was the point of repeating this same advice again and again?
Everyone here is doing just that.
To be fair to both of us, let see how you advice the TS in your own point of view. There is no need to kick my point of views aside and make your views look good. Since you feel that others advices are so bad lets see yours. -
At the risk of looking really stupid, we have to assume he is serious.Originally posted by zeny:
Before I start I would like to ask, how do you feel about the below sentence?
" The only thing that seems to really stop me from suicide now is in actual fact, the hope of chasing someone. (name cannot be disclosed as of press time) That's the only reason for now why I'm living on. "Do you seriously think that this guy is serious ?
If he's not and we think he is, everyone would have a laugh and that's okay.
If he is serious, and we think he is not, the consequences may be drastic. We don't want to risk that. -
Dear TS,
i can understand how you feel,by the way,are you currently working or studying?what are the methods that you have tried other than those that you have mentioned?
there are much things that need you to be accomplished,for example,concentrate on your career,take up some courses to for you to improve yourself or get some intersting hobby or sports to occupy yourself.....make yourself more valuable by doing charity work,helping others,who are more in need of survival and sick,try earning more money to give your parents or siblings for holidays,etc.....help others will make you a better person and also feeling better inside out.
why do you not believe in religion?honestly,go and try to meditate every night before sleep or anytime for god to give you a blessful life or imagine that you are talking to HIM....i did just that and work well for me and many others,and to tell you the truth,i'm not a christian,go ahead and try my method,if you trust me....
i'm not going to tell you much further because down here we can actually only advise you that much but in reality,it is up to you......give yourself a chance and most importantly,give others a thought too before jumping the tracks or popping the pills........
Terence