Loving a person without reason.. How truth is it?
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It's easy to gain telepathic powers over the other half, once a couple stays years together. Sadly, it's easy to know which buttons to push to make the other half irritated as well.Originally posted by soul_rage:aiya, its the same as how you would disturb your cat sometimes.
You pull her paw until she gets irritated, but its not meant to hurt her.
Sometimes, arguments are fine, so long as it is nothing serious, and its just to have fun sometimes.
My wife sometimes deliberately argues with me just to make me irritated (and she is laughing inside as well, I know)
Yeah, arguments can be constructive as well as destructive. Just stay to the point and don't personal attack can liao
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If a playful arguments warrants an ultimatum, I don't think it is anywhere near fun. Is it ?Originally posted by soul_rage:aiya, its the same as how you would disturb your cat sometimes.
You pull her paw until she gets irritated, but its not meant to hurt her.
Sometimes, arguments are fine, so long as it is nothing serious, and its just to have fun sometimes.
My wife sometimes deliberately argues with me just to make me irritated (and she is laughing inside as well, I know)
Seriously, if you so enjoy pissing her to the core, just for fun.
Both of you must be really bored.
I mean, please lah. Can find something else that is fun to do together right? -
Good to know you are also playing your part to improve.Originally posted by Frustrated_guy:Trying lah. Like I said, sometimes I really don't know why she pissed off. Guys usually don't jing jing ji jiao so much things mah, girls are different.
I am happy, not gloating.
Yes lah, girls are different.
We are not men what.
It is naturally so that we tend to micro manage.
Once you have children, you'll know why women are this way.
It is needed to take care of your offsprings. -
I think maybe you are gripping on the "Core" word.Originally posted by jojobeach:If a playful arguments warrants an ultimatum, I don't think it is anywhere near fun. Is it ?
Seriously, if you so enjoy pissing her to the core, just for fun.
Both of you must be really bored.
I mean, please lah. Can find something else that is fun to do together right?
Its not what you think.
Bickering is fun too. My wife likes to bicker with me just for the fun of it. -
Actually we are all improving.Originally posted by jojobeach:Good to know you are also playing your part to improve.
Yes lah, girls are different.
We are not men what.
It is naturally so that we tend to micro manage.
Once you have children, you'll know why women are this way.
It is needed to take care of your offsprings.
I also never said I am perfect, I have my flaws (such as a bad temper, but which I only unleash thru self-inflicted pain, and never at others), which she is helping me to tackle too.
And yes, I know ladies micro manage, and I think I also know what you mean about taking care of kids requires micro-managing.
So in other words, its a part of a lady's nature. -
Ummm not the "core" word. But the "piss" word.Originally posted by soul_rage:I think maybe you are gripping on the "Core" word.
Its not what you think.
Bickering is fun too. My wife likes to bicker with me just for the fun of it. -
No wonder you all are puzzled...actually it isn't called love without a reason. It's called attraction without knowing the reason.
You can never love a person at first sight. Reason is because there can never be love without understanding + being comfortable to each others' presence.
Ultimate level of love changes and evolves when people have loved enough people. I would say the ultimate level of love could be similar to the MTV by Ah Mu - You Yi Zhong Ai Jiao Zhuo Fang Shou.
Ultimate level of love is a sad, painful, tearful, lonely path to tread...but it might or never bring about the greatest fulfillment of love a person could ever felt in their lives.
I know it so, cos I'm walking on such a path right now at the present. I think I myself might have fallen into a sub-conscious state of depression without even realising it.
I would like to pose this question to all who reads it.
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Possession of another person whom you claimed so much to "love" is easy, but is that really your definition of love itself?
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And that's how cheap love is nowadays....Originally posted by CannyOng:Hi.. I often heard many people say that,they love their opposite sex partner without a reason.
It might be love at first sight...
It might be solely be feeling...
Whatever... Do u believe u need no reason to love a person and base just on purely feeling?
I have a girl friend, she got a bf recently and I know my friend got foul temper and childish. As I predicted,her bf cannot handle and tahan her. He is trouble and he suddenly call me up to pour out his feeling. He told me he loves my friend just becos he loves her and no reason and based purely on feeling(so call love at first sight). He claim only such love is the ultimate lvl of love. Love a person with any bias,no factor and unconditional love...
Just like my friend case,her foul temper will pissed off a lof of pontential lover. I am feeling that guy is suffering cos of his intuition of loving a person without reason.
I don't believe love a person base on feeling...
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What a nice post and a correct one at that.Originally posted by jojobeach:I have one simple question for you.
If your wife has a diak and a vagina down there.
Will you still love her without any reason ?
If your answer is no, then it is one reason why you love her.
For being just a woman.
So that's why I really don't understand why people like to talk about loving a person without any reason. I don't understand their logic because to me, there's always a reason for everything even though you cannot explain it now. (maybe because they watched too much drama ?)
But there's always a reason for everything. My reason is that men love women and vice versa because opposites should attract. Men have something women want/need and the same goes for women. Both fulfilling each other's needs.
doko -
Since you know girls are this way, can you all control your behaviour or something ?Originally posted by jojobeach:Good to know you are also playing your part to improve.
Yes lah, girls are different.
We are not men what.
It is naturally so that we tend to micro manage.
Once you have children, you'll know why women are this way.
It is needed to take care of your offsprings.
doko -
Yes correct!Originally posted by CannyOng:I ask u all. WHo can stand a gal who deem whatever her reason and show attitude to u when she feels like it? No matter how many chemistry,how many love,u will break down one day if they is deemed no improvement on her....
Imagine she shout at u inside a pack bus for no good reason,how will yr ego hurt?
This is where reason and rational comes in... Love is blind,my foot!
That's because a lot of guys are in a rush to get into a relationship for the sake of a relationship (maybe to show off ? if so, what to show off ?) without assessing if the girl is good for a relationship, at least for a long term one/marriage.
True no girl is perfect but there are some good ones out there. It's also about their family upbringing and their individual character. Observe how they treat other people like your parents and grandparents.
Girls are very fussy when choosing guys and as guys, we should be, as well. Make sure you have a checklist of what type of girls you want. Or at least you know which kind of girl you don't want? =)
doko -
Loving a person can be unconditional but the price that comes along with it is huge... So the question boils down to: are u willing to pay the price.
Even if u are willing, but the person who receive ur unconditional love, may treat it as a piece of trash... then u will feel why should i invest so much and get a thrashing in return?
To say love has no reason, it really depends on the person who receives your love. The person who treasures your existence are the person u should love unconditionally, provided u love her. However, the question boils down to are u able to find such a person that u like and likes u in return?
20% to find someone u like, 10% to find someone u like and can live with, 0.1% to find someone u love, 0.0000000000000001% for u to find someone u love and love u in return.
Conclusion: Remain Single? Or married late? -
After browsing the 5 pages, it seems that different people experience Love differently.
So what is exactly love, i could say it's anything that u want it to be and imagine it to be.
I don't think u can rationalized lOve..
Cos Love is irrational.
So i think loving a person with reasons isn't fully valid.
cos with reasons, u need to rationalize.
Reasons do plays a part in the attraction and maintaining it.
I think loving others come with knowing how to love yourself.
If you don't love yourself, you will find it hard to love others. -
How abt love is developed by some action exercise by opposite sex.Originally posted by Isis:After browsing the 5 pages, it seems that different people experience Love differently.
So what is exactly love, i could say it's anything that u want it to be and imagine it to be.
I don't think u can rationalized lOve..
Cos Love is irrational.
So i think loving a person with reasons isn't fully valid.
cos with reasons, u need to rationalize.
Reasons do plays a part in the attraction and maintaining it.
I think loving others come with knowing how to love yourself.
If you don't love yourself, you will find it hard to love others.
A courageous guy save a gal. Owning him a favourite is one thing. Admiring him of his courage and bravery helps her to develop her affection and love for him deeply?
Love becomes rational. His virtue of bravery becomes a attraction for the gal.. -
a moment of infatuation is more likely the case.Originally posted by CannyOng:How abt love is developed by some action exercise by opposite sex.
A courageous guy save a gal. Owning him a favourite is one thing. Admiring him of his courage and bravery helps her to develop her affection and love for him deeply?
Love becomes rational. His virtue of bravery becomes a attraction for the gal..
I couldn't argue about this as different people see love differently. -
From the above, I feel you are puzzled more than us. There is no such thing as ultimate level of love = painful, tearful, lonely.Originally posted by parn:No wonder you all are puzzled...actually it isn't called love without a reason. It's called attraction without knowing the reason.
You can never love a person at first sight. Reason is because there can never be love without understanding + being comfortable to each others' presence.
Ultimate level of love changes and evolves when people have loved enough people. I would say the ultimate level of love could be similar to the MTV by Ah Mu - You Yi Zhong Ai Jiao Zhuo Fang Shou.
Ultimate level of love is a sad, painful, tearful, lonely path to tread...but it might or never bring about the greatest fulfillment of love a person could ever felt in their lives.
I know it so, cos I'm walking on such a path right now at the present. I think I myself might have fallen into a sub-conscious state of depression without even realising it.
I would like to pose this question to all who reads it.
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Possession of another person whom you claimed so much to "love" is easy, but is that really your definition of love itself?
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.
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And that's how cheap love is nowadays....
I feel you are more influenced by TV dramas than anything else.
Love without a reason is NOT about not understanding love. Its about COMPREHENDING what Love is, and that Love does not need reasons to be there.
People who try to make it logical only end up making themselves depressed, upset, and empty.
You can try to challenge the above, but I will tell you very clearly, its NOT us who are puzzled, its you who don't understand yourself enough. -
That's gratitudeOriginally posted by CannyOng:How abt love is developed by some action exercise by opposite sex.
A courageous guy save a gal. Owning him a favourite is one thing. Admiring him of his courage and bravery helps her to develop her affection and love for him deeply?
Love becomes rational. His virtue of bravery becomes a attraction for the gal.. -
Its up to you. You want to rationalize everything, its always possible. Even the worse criminal can rationalize until what he does is correct and valid.Originally posted by dokono:What a nice post and a correct one at that.
So that's why I really don't understand why people like to talk about loving a person without any reason. I don't understand their logic because to me, there's always a reason for everything even though you cannot explain it now. (maybe because they watched too much drama ?)
But there's always a reason for everything. My reason is that men love women and vice versa because opposites should attract. Men have something women want/need and the same goes for women. Both fulfilling each other's needs.
doko
Sex is but one part of love. Sex can be the primary root cause of love, or it can be the natural way of expression of intimacy of love. -
checklist. sigh...Originally posted by dokono:Girls are very fussy when choosing guys and as guys, we should be, as well. Make sure you have a checklist of what type of girls you want. Or at least you know which kind of girl you don't want? =)
doko -
but when you loves someone, it means that you have feelings towards her and feelings should be a ' base reason' of loving somebody right?
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i strongly agree this point.......Originally posted by LyonK:unconditional love means accepting her ferocious temper too. -
Pls read that post again...Originally posted by soul_rage:That's gratitude -
ya, i have an experience with this 2 years ago.
had a dream abt a certain gal in my class, next day woke up then got inexplicable infatuation with her.
strange but true. -
as I said, it depends on how you use the word reasonOriginally posted by toll123:but when you loves someone, it means that you have feelings towards her and feelings should be a ' base reason' of loving somebody right?
I put up somewhere here that reason is opposed to emotions, feelings, etc.
However, if one insists that everything is considered a reason, then its fine. -
That's gratitude,Originally posted by CannyOng:Pls read that post again...
you are just twisting it here and there to try to accommodate your arguments.
Coming back to your posting.
"You DO NOT believe in loving without a reason" (Note the 100%)
All it suffices is to give you one or 2 real-life examples to tell you you are wrong.
Otherwise, please define your word "Reason"
My definition of reason here is related to "rational", and is opposed to feelings, emotions. -
I ask u to read again and if u refuse and insist is gratitude. So be it!Originally posted by soul_rage:That's gratitude,
you are just twisting it here and there to try to accommodate your arguments.
Coming back to your posting.
"You DO NOT believe in loving without a reason" (Note the 100%)
All it suffices is to give you one or 2 real-life examples to tell you you are wrong.
Otherwise, please define your word "Reason"
My definition of reason here is related to "rational", and is opposed to feelings, emotions.