money or interest?
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Originally posted by rmyfrm:
I actually have sat for exams and done research assignments and mooting. I agree, the research is hell. Whole weekends up in smoke to find that elusive case analgous to yours with a decision in your favour.
I hope that's not the only area of law you enjoy; money and criminal law is exclusive in Singapore. The only area of law that positively guarantees a steady cashflow all fall within, or at least into the shadows of corporate and commercial law. Even then, the pay is not as good as you think it is, in comparison to the amount of work you have to do; again, I'm sure you read the news, the crisis of quitting lawyers .. leaving practice, AND leaving Singapore.
Also, sounds like you're in your first year only. And also sounds like you probably haven't sat for an exam or done any research assignments.
But yup, I'm still 1st year. And no, I have no aspirations to defend the innocent in a court of law nor to prosecute. Law is to me a way of paying the bills. Hopefully I won't be working as a lawyer, but if I do, I'd probably do M&A or something related with negotiations thrown in. I quite dislike courtrooms and advocacy
I don't have the flair necessary for the dramatization.
Anyway, working in Singapore has not been on my list of priorities. I'd like to have the option of working there, but whether I'll exercise it is another matter. Besides, I'm overseas and I do prefer it that way. -
Interest for sure
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At the end of the day, what is happiness to you?
Money is important too. Money enable you to do many things.
Interest is different. Though you might earn a little, you can still be happy.
When you find yourself doing something that you love, you will get contentment easily. Passion for something also motivates you to be a successful person in life.
Yes draw out a practical plan and convince ur dad. Ultimately, it is your life that you have to be responsible for, not your dad as you have grown up. -
This is from me a design student in TP.
i was at first like u.
whethr to persue my interest or take a course in which is like in demand,in the working world.
I was quite in a dilema.
but then i figured out.
for 17 yrs i have been doing something which i dont even like.
now theres the chance for me to do something which i like.
Comeon man y not?
And there i am here.
however now the design industry in singapore is really very saturated, and highly competitive. It doesnt mean that u can draw well means that u will do well. U need alot of passion.
so give it a thought.
the cut off point for design course in TP is very low.
so u gotta work hard for it.
So now go do ur ols get a good result. -
why not both money and interest? Convinced your dad that design courses has its own way of bringing bread to the table. And its true
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who say design no money wan?
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In my humble opinion, interest is definitely more important than money when it comes to career planning. I've seen many people who initially chose careers which paid well but not within their interests, only to end up disillusioned and quit after a couple of years to do what they really like.
On the practical side, if you really like designing, you can compile a portfolio of your work and go around asking for freelance work. This can help to show your father that designing is a viable livelihood in Singapore. -
it's not about the money your dad thinks about, it's your livelihood he's concerned.....consider yourself wanting to have a family of your own one day, will the low pay do? the small flat and etc...? the family needs money, the kids need money, the small flat needs money and so too does the scooter.....Originally posted by mrcoconut:Seriously i dont mind the pay.
and i've even imagined myself just driving a scooter and living in a small flat.
with just enough money to have a social life and carry on with life.
but my dad thinks money money money!
that said, this doesn't mean designing cannot draw good money, in fact it's one of the easier route to start your own business than say engineering or other 'safe' disciplines....
talk to the old man and ask for his blessings....regardless, diploma holders in any course will have certain pay scale....not sure what design progamme you want to do but these days design degrees are a plenty too and you can progress to get one later..... -
I would say, go ahead and pursue your dreams. But I would also like to remind you that reality is actually harsher than you think (i.e. even if you get into the design industry and work hard, you might not do as well as if you get into a more 'profitting' job).Originally posted by mrcoconut:Currently, im in sec5 taking my O's this year.
Recently i told my dad that i wanted to go into an designing course in poly, if not get enrolled into nafa.
At first, i thought he would be able to accept my decision as its my interest and ultimately 'my future'.
But instead he strongly object and wanted me to go into a course that would allow me to bring bread to the table when i get a job.
This really troubles me, as im not the kind of person who's really interested in science and all.
Is it wrong to follow my interest?
Should i let my dad destroy my dream?
what if i was really able to make it big in the art industry, but because of his mentality everything had to be forgo.
trouble sigh
Take for example, one of my GP tutor in JC, who previously worked as a mime artist. It was his interest and he was pretty good at it to the extent that he is able to do coaching. However, his pay was so pathetic, he basically have to live off his savings for a few years.
And so, when his savings ran out dry, he had no chioce but to change job, thus coming to my JC to teach GP. The pay is a damn lot better, but he don't get to do what he like.
So keep this in mind...society is not as idealistic as we would like it to be. -
You can also do what your dad wants you to do, to ensure your bread and butter, then do some designing on the side. It's the safest way to experience the best of both worlds.
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Live your dream. I choose engineering over business.
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this is coming from a design student from sp.
my lecturer told me this. design is to earn money.
and from my point of view, there is still a lot of potential in Sg for design. More and more companies are starting to realise that design is essential for them to earn big bucks. for eg. Yah Kun rebranded to a more young image and now, they have operations in other parts of the world too.
and god knows how much singapore zoo paid Satchi and satchi to do that new logo, but it definately was'nt cheap.
design does bring in money. it only depends on which design agency you are working in.
like the tp student said:
if u have been doing 11 years of stuff u do not like, would u wanna do another few years studying things u do not like?
design is not easy, there is no set fomula for a good design, and so this usually means sleepless nights. if your passion dies out halfway through the course, it is as good as wasting the time spent in that course. so think carefully.
sp design course cut off point is also pretty low.
nyp design course just made a killing at the crowbar awards.
school of the arts should go into operation pretty soon
la salle, and raffles design institute
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Actually, I'm in a somewhat similiar position as you.
I wanted to go NAFA/LaSalle to do arts after my O levels instead of doing what he wanted me to do. He wanted me to get into one of the business courses to help him out with his business.
Butttt, I did badly for my O levels. Didn't qualify for any of the biz courses. So here I am now doing Biz Admin in one of the ITEs while retaking my O levels. And I'm actually doing very well and beginning to be interested in business and how it works.
Maybe you might wanna consider going for a "proper" poly diploma first. Like what you cited, science courses. Then go into your interest after you've satisfy your dad. After all, he's expecting you be able to bring bread to the table in the future. When you can fulfill that, go for your arts thingy?
HTHs~
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I was in exactly the same position as you after my O'levels.
I wanted to do art...parents didnt think it was practical.
I ended up doing what they wanted....and till today that is one of my biggest regrets.
However, now I'm in a comfortable place financially....and i have the ability to pursue my art on the sidelines....which to me is a plus.
So i'm definately on the fence on whether i should or shouldn't have listened to my parents.
But i say to you...RUN FORREST RUN!
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design is unlike any other courses...
it's a continuous thinking process because there is no "right" answer... -
There is no right answer in law either.Originally posted by GHoST_18:design is unlike any other courses...
it's a continuous thinking process because there is no "right" answer...
I believe this lack of a model or right answer applies to most courses across the board. -
Hello mrcoconut
I went thru the same thing u gone thur when I complete my 'O' Level. I had an argument with my dad over it. He want me to be in the business, I wanna be in computer. (For your information at that time computer isnt as well-know as now).
Well you can ask ur dad whether he prefer to pay u the money to study what u interested in, pass, come out and work happily? Or he can pay you to study what u dont like, sleep thru the class, fail and start looking for a job u may not like? Remember it isnt just a waste of money....but a waste of your time too.
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We're on the same boat. I always aspire to become a graphic designer so it's natural for me to develop interest in designing.
So after my O lvl ended, I wanted to enroll in design courses but my parents discouraged me from pursuing my dream as they see it as a path which doesn't bring much success and a lot of money in the future.
It may be true that designers (I'm talking about the mediocre ones in sg) don't make as much money as accountants or other professions. but ask yourself, are you going to be happy if you follow what your parents want you to do?
I was stupid not to follow my dreams, just to please my parents. In the end, I was enrolled in IT courses and I only did ok and no matter how hard I studied, my grades are always average (because I have little interest in IT to begin with). Well, I'm starting to look on the bright side of studying IT but somehow, I wonder what would it be like if I take a different path. I knew that if I were to enrolled in design, I would be much more successful (without trying too hard). -
+1Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:Follow your dreams. Go pursue it. Don't live with regret. -
I see some of you that like Law eh.
I have interests for law even before i finished secondary. But my dad told me to do engineering. Which i had 0 interest and my physics sucked. studying something u are not good at is hard.. its freaking hard. Try and party and study la.. is fuking tiam. in the end after 3 years also finish. After got cheated back , work not happy.. still feel that not enough knowledge to cope with the job scope and the speciality of some engineering works , so i took up part time dip. engineering. After obtaining it , i just cannot take it. I really decided that thats it.. i have followed through my dad's plan. Now i will follow my own plan , which may be a bit late.. but at least my mum and family of lawyers support me!
So hopefully i will be able to take it up after all these years. I want to take it cause i am interested , and it is to me , essential for my master plan. Do i regret my other stuffs ? Not really , at least i gained significant knowledge. But i will regret for not trying to do what i wanted to do.
So to T.S i guess u dont want to waste time and money , you just go for something u are good at and very interested. Maybe they cannot see what u see because they do not fully understand . My dad also wanted my older bro to do engineering, he did Sound Engineering.. and then left to pursue his dream. Dad cant say anything , he did do 'engineering' but now is a producer in the music industry in HK & Taiwan. hahaha!! But because he is so good at it , dad also now just let him be.
Money or not , if u are good at what u do .. u WILL earn money. Its how u use your interests to your advantage.
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I am sure many face pressures like this. But those pressures are sometimes really un-necessary extra burden and stress. Win : Lose situation. worst is thsoe Lose : Lose situation.. but the hardest is to get the Win : Win situation.
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i once read somewhere that a person has three oppurtunities in life. and as i grew up, i've always come up with the answer that it's not just waiting for the oppurtunity to come by, but also having the money to take advantage of that oppurtunity. if i were you, i'd pursue something that blends a mix of both in. for example, you can take the arts course, but also learn how to startup a business using management courses.
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well, ur father is being practical.
it is ur really decision.
whether u are really passion abt the design as u are in career, u will face a lot of obstacles.
Study design course and being designer can also bring bread to the family , but maybe in the career prospective , it is much harder.
or the income may not be as much.
$$ vs passion and u have to ask urself , what u want to go when u grow up.
it is ur life, u are living for urself
but as living for other as next time , u have to have the income to support urself and the family..
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wow, that sounds like meOriginally posted by pokkagreentea:We're on the same boat. I always aspire to become a graphic designer so it's natural for me to develop interest in designing.
So after my O lvl ended, I wanted to enroll in design courses but my parents discouraged me from pursuing my dream as they see it as a path which doesn't bring much success and a lot of money in the future.
It may be true that designers (I'm talking about the mediocre ones in sg) don't make as much money as accountants or other professions. but ask yourself, are you going to be happy if you follow what your parents want you to do?
I was stupid not to follow my dreams, just to please my parents. In the end, I was enrolled in IT courses and I only did ok and no matter how hard I studied, my grades are always average (because I have little interest in IT to begin with). Well, I'm starting to look on the bright side of studying IT but somehow, I wonder what would it be like if I take a different path. I knew that if I were to enrolled in design, I would be much more successful (without trying too hard). except that my parents didnt really care what i do, i guess. I didnt manage to enter the design course tho due to my results. And at that time didnt consider NAFA or sth.
Then i listened to some f.uck instead who claim that this course is so awesome or sth and then i got enrolled into the course, that i've no interest in. I was stupid at that time i think.
I wasted 3 years of my life, doin s.hit that i dislike, a hell lot (im not exactly free now actually , surfin and all, i've to clear off stuffs that i dislike to do, but gotta do it)
Waste time, waste $, my BIGGEST regret in life. But what. This hell is gonna be over soon.
Also, i didnt really perform well in the course, i didnt put in effort in it (dont bother) and just aim for a better pass thats it. Sort of self-destruction.
Met some f.uckers, who think they are really good and give you all sort of s.hits. So i told myself, if i were in another course (that i liked), im sure i will pwn them hard, that is if they are there hmm i mean im sure i could do much better i guess
Im gonna graduate soon, waitin eagerly, tho i've to clear off some s.hit first.
Then i will start my life afresh! Currently on the lookout of school. Raffles Design i guess, more likely, but the fees are expensive i guess i gonna work for some time.
pokkagreentea: Uhmmmm are you sayin your goin to stay in the IT line?
mrcoconut: Think carefully.... okay? Im really unhappy because i've wasted time and $ and in the end gonna restart everything again. It's a painful choice but somehow i gotta accept it. Hope your not in the same path as me.... and many others here -
wow, u have the same thinking as me. i took acc too because i tot it was related to maths. damn it =.=Originally posted by Uncertain:But there are a few things to consider:
Money vs Interest
U definitely won't want to starve due to ur interest pursue...
The fact i take accountancy as my course is not that i like accountancy.. is because i don't like lab work... have some interest in math... But then accountancy is not all about math, it involves a lot more... needs to base ur answer on judgement and all... which is somewhat not taught to us when we are in jc, sec or whatever...
In fact, i want to get a pHD in math but then... i need a undergrad degree from Uni... but then what can this useless degree does? Ur only option is becoming a teacher... which i don't like
Therefore, I take a accountancy and then pursue my interest in math later in my life, maybe getting a degree or do some research on it.
Therefore, do consider ur current position before pursuing ur interest.