money or interest?
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Thank you everyone for your advices.
after i read through them
i really feel that
1) interest over money.
2) at this juncture, i should really work hard to get into the designing course i want, Creative Media Design in Singapore Poly.
really thank you guys for your help.
oh, and i heard that the Government is trying to change Singapore into a Art Hub.
can anyone rectify with that? thanks! -
Yeah its really hard to study something which you have no interests in. Take it from me..
Go pursue your interests. -
we're all glad to help.Originally posted by mrcoconut:Thank you everyone for your advices.
after i read through them
i really feel that
1) interest over money.
2) at this juncture, i should really work hard to get into the designing course i wanted, Creative Media Design in Singapore Poly.
really thank you guys for your help.
oh, and i heard that the Government is trying to change Singapore into a Art Hub.
can anyone rectify with that? thanks!
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u got anything u want to achieve in life?
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start an art revolution in singapore.Originally posted by manyu882:u got anything u want to achieve in life?
change the 'sterotypical mindset' of what the definition of art is
in most singaporeans.
most art teachers in primary and secondary school
tells you what art is.
they restrict you from being creative and experimenting on different ways to make art.
i wanna change that -
Guess that is cos not as many people who hate medicine studied medicine as compared to the number who hate reading do law. And probably, all if not most of the people who are terrified of blood would have dropped out in medical school.Originally posted by rmyfrm:If you really want a rewarding career, do medicine. I have yet to meet a single doctor who even dislikes their career. 12 of my friends went on to do medicine; you never hear them complain, or hear stories about how their colleagues complain about their careers - only the long hours; as compared to law - I'm surrounded by people moaning about their jobs and how much they hate it (in Singapore, and now overseas where I'm based). -
Times have changed. which century are you still living in?
In this age that we are living, there are designers making big bucks. They are making it big even decades ago eg Tommy Hilfiger and Christian Dior (in the 40s and 50s). In this age of opportunities, even a famous hairstylist can earn more than a mediocre lawyer or accountant. Dont believe? Ask our local stylist, David Gan.
Having established that people in arts can earn a really good living, should your qn now be changed to:
Blind filial piety vs Career/interest
Easier to make a decision now?
Prove to your parents where your interests lie, and you will do well in it, i am sure they will understand. -
One question to consider would be:
What is the general proportion of art/design-trained folks who make big bucks compared to proportion of ppl in other professions (acc,eng,bus etc)
And also apply it to a local context. How many big names are there in Sg?
For example, just because there's Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, I won't venture to tell people IT is attractive and you can make it big.
In a society where cost of living is high and taxes keep rising, you might have stuff to pay for like housing loans, vehicle loans or insurance. No one can avoid them. Your life plans and goals might change in the future. You might want to save for marriage, look after your parents, start a family or give your kids a better life. Sometimes, interest alone cannot pay for all those. Life is sometimes give and take.
Not taking any sides here, but just suggesting one looks from all perspectives and long term. I'm a person who values passion a lot, but cannot ignore the practical aspects of life.
That said, use your passion to excel in your given field. For that is your greatest gift on the job. -
Originally posted by de_middle:wah seh, ur back
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not trying to put you off here or anything. but i have to agree with SolidSnake. it doesn't mean that 1 or 2 people excel in a certain aspect means you could do the same. or rather could you prove yourself to be a child prodigy? if you could well go ahead and pursue your dreams and don't waste your talent. if its just passion, you better make sure your passion drive motivates you till you make it big. and in any instance where you do not make it big, don't regret your actions.
your parents adviced you to pursue something else its because they know what is it like out there. now tell me, how many parents want their children to suffer in the future?
nothing is easy out there is this world. the 2 main drives that motivates us to work harder. money and interest as stated in your topic. if you take interest, you might not earn big time, than again you might. if you take money, be prepared you might not be enjoying what you do.
just see which do you weigh more. or rather which can drive you to work harder, money or passion.
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Do you have passion?
Do you have talent?
Are you interested in what you will be doing?
I'm doing a design course in Temasek Polytechnic now- if you would look around, you can easily find out who I am.
Anyway- the designing industry may be very different from what you think it is about. Yes, designing is about creating. But it is also about meeting deadlines, sacrificing your design to please the client, countless sleepless nights.
All these will wear people down, if you don't have passion in it.
My lecturer said this to me:
"There are three groups of people in the designing industry. One group has passion and talent- they are easily recognisable, and they are those "elites".
Another group has talent, but no passion- they waste their talents away. The last group has passion, but no talent- they have to work doubly hard to reach the mark of the first group."
You need to be really passionate about what you're doing.
As for the million dollar question of "money or interest":
What is your goals in life? Is creating and revolutionising of a higher priority than having good food, driving in a BMW, living in a private housing?
If the latter is more important, then please take up Auditing or something like that.
If the former is more important, then let your dad know this. Ask him to trust you, and be sure not to let his trust be misplaced.
Good luck.
Oh, and you should consider coming to Temasek Polytechnic's design school. Out of the five Polytechnics, TP's is recognised as the best.
NAFA isn't bad, but you need to really be a rich kid, to be in there.
Lasalle is quite all right, though. I have a friend there, and I heard it's pretty good there. -
The guys and ladies in this forums are quite friendly to offer a great helping hand to a fellow forumers.
I guess that is the spirit of this forums.
I believe you are at the stage of indecision so dun be shy to approach the rest for a tour of the various institutes.
Have a clearer picture of what they can offer and match with what you expect to learn.
If possible, talk to the students and lecturers or attend one of the lecture.
Life is a long journey.
It is better that you can make a correct choice at this cross road of your life so that you save time by not taking the unnecessary roads. -
follow yr heart ...
my dad nvr care where i go 1...he always tell me 3 times a day...the future is yrs.... LOLXa -
Quoted for truth.Originally posted by Medicated Oil:The guys and ladies in this forums are quite friendly to offer a great helping hand to a fellow forumers.
I guess that is the spirit of this forums.
I believe you are at the stage of indecision so dun be shy to approach the rest for a tour of the various institutes.
Have a clearer picture of what they can offer and match with what you expect to learn.
If possible, talk to the students and lecturers or attend one of the lecture.
Life is a long journey.
It is better that you can make a correct choice at this cross road of your life so that you save time by not taking the unnecessary roads. -
The number of high-earners for such careers are typically smaller than those for traditionally high-earning ones. I'm not saying that you can't earn big bucks doing design, I'm just saying the chances are more limited.Originally posted by blu_sky:Times have changed. which century are you still living in?
In this age that we are living, there are designers making big bucks. They are making it big even decades ago eg Tommy Hilfiger and Christian Dior (in the 40s and 50s). In this age of opportunities, even a famous hairstylist can earn more than a mediocre lawyer or accountant. Dont believe? Ask our local stylist, David Gan.
The chances are higher for you to become a consultant for doctors, or to make partner for lawyers or accountants than for you to make it big as a designer and ean big bucks.
IMHO, the main reason designers don't earn as much is because companies are generally unwilling to take the risk. Design is a rather unquantifiable (revenue matching wise) and subjective. It can make or break the product and ultimately the company. There have been cases whereby companies have gambled and won. Case in point, Apple v Creative. Creative came up with the concept of a HDD-based Mp3 player 1st. Apple just made it look desireable.
But, money does govern and limit businessess and so every dollar is monitored to maximize it's benefit. It's with those unquantifiables, the indeterminates that companies are a little fearful. R&D, advertising and design fall into that category. Fortunately though, with Apple's success, companies tend to be more receptive to design these days. So there is still hope. -
I say something la. In SG, have you heard of people starving to death? Go ponder
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follow your dream.. Dad's suggestion might not be alway right .
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You can eat with your dreams... Anyway, many do not need to go to art school or take art courses to be an artist...
You are just a whinner who will thanks your dad for stopping you to day dream the whole time. -
Follow your dreams! Harn Harn Chu Zhuang Yuan!Originally posted by mrcoconut:Currently, im in sec5 taking my O's this year.
Recently i told my dad that i wanted to go into an designing course in poly, if not get enrolled into nafa.
At first, i thought he would be able to accept my decision as its my interest and ultimately 'my future'.
But instead he strongly object and wanted me to go into a course that would allow me to bring bread to the table when i get a job.
This really troubles me, as im not the kind of person who's really interested in science and all.
Is it wrong to follow my interest?
Should i let my dad destroy my dream?
what if i was really able to make it big in the art industry, but because of his mentality everything had to be forgo.
trouble sigh -
As I have msged Uncertain, Mathematics is not a useless degree. Just like design is not a useless degree.Originally posted by Uncertain:But there are a few things to consider:
Money vs Interest
U definitely won't want to starve due to ur interest pursue...
The fact i take accountancy as my course is not that i like accountancy.. is because i don't like lab work... have some interest in math... But then accountancy is not all about math, it involves a lot more... needs to base ur answer on judgement and all... which is somewhat not taught to us when we are in jc, sec or whatever...
In fact, i want to get a pHD in math but then... i need a undergrad degree from Uni... but then what can this useless degree does? Ur only option is becoming a teacher... which i don't like
Therefore, I take a accountancy and then pursue my interest in math later in my life, maybe getting a degree or do some research on it.
Therefore, do consider ur current position before pursuing ur interest.
I've just finished a degree in Mathematics. I know that Mathematics, by itself, does not appear as flexible to many people than it actually is, and hence, I also took on a Finance major. This is because, although there are a lot of people doing Finance, the Mathematics major helps me stand out in the Finance field.
Likewise, doing design might be your interest, but you should try to do something else that complements your interest in a field with more opportunities, and also helps you to stand out from the crowd. -
I would say FOLLOW YOUR HEART!
I didnt say that you should against your father's will but at least make him understand what is really in your heart. Afterall, I believe all parents would want their children to be the happiest people alive on earth.
My advice is that you could have a detailed plan of how your life is going to be after graduation from designing course. What kind of career would you want to have and do some research about the working life and salary of these careers. Once you're done, find a real good opportunity to sit down with your dad and share with him about dreams. Some parents get agitated very easily so just make sure he hears you out first before he gives his comments. If designing is something you really want to pursue, never give it up. Keep on sharing with your dad, I believe one day he will come to realise that he's proud to have a mature child who can make your own decisions and think about life in the future. It's all about winning the trust of your parents. all the best!
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Tell him what kind of jobs you can get after you graduate and show him the Poly brochures that speaks of this or newspaper jobs offers.Originally posted by mrcoconut:Currently, im in sec5 taking my O's this year.
Recently i told my dad that i wanted to go into an designing course in poly, if not get enrolled into nafa.
At first, i thought he would be able to accept my decision as its my interest and ultimately 'my future'.
But instead he strongly object and wanted me to go into a course that would allow me to bring bread to the table when i get a job.
This really troubles me, as im not the kind of person who's really interested in science and all.
Is it wrong to follow my interest?
Should i let my dad destroy my dream?
what if i was really able to make it big in the art industry, but because of his mentality everything had to be forgo.
trouble sigh
Tell him I said this:
I know of an ITE Baharuddin graduate in fashion designing (not even Poly!) is now making $10K a month, that is $10K US dollars running a fashion factory in Indonesia as manager of the factory (she is not the owner).
If he says that I am just an anonymous nick in a forum, tell him I am Andrew PK Yap and he can read about me at my website www.casinogamblingprevention.com
I would advise you to do the following and that is, to go with your dream with your feet firmly planted on the ground. For example, you can get a part time job while pursuing your dream as a struggling fashion designer, meaning that you earn your own living and not depend on others giving the excuse that you are pursuing your dream.
Whether you become successful in life depends on how you live your life day to day and while getting the right education can definitely help, ultimately it is how you live your life after graduation that counts. -
Some things to say
1. Some people dont even have to go to design sch to excel in design
2. You can choose to follow your dad's path first, secure a secure job and then go do a part-time diploma in design.
3. Lastly, passion doesnt necessarily help you pay your housing loans and bills