ARE YOU AN UNEMPLOYED SINGAPOREAN?

eagle

11 Apr 09, 01:40

Originally posted by MyLord_L:

This is a waste of time.

You’re ignoring what I’m writing or playing dumb, or it’s just a cultural difference. I don’t use derogatory names to talk of people. Specially on the internet, specially when addressing to them directly. You think it’s ok to do it as long as nobody complains, and you won’t probably change your mind. Well it’s too bad. I guess I will just have to live with it. As you said, I’m just a guest here after all, so I have nothing to say, and should leave if I’m not happy. So please go on, Ang Moh me as much as you like, even if you know I don’t like to be refered by a stereotyped hair color. Another cultural difference I guess. In my country hospitality says we should try to be good hosts and please the guest.My mistake. So I’d better go back there and leave a job for a good Singaporean lah!

I won’t argue anymore on this.

Simple.

Why don't you tell us your home country, and let us know which country produced such a person like you? Or are you just a clone making a new account just to make trouble?

You don't use derogatory names to talk to people, and neither did we at all.

And if you are really not a clone, please go back. Your kind of attitude will not bring you anywhere, nor will you be accepted anywhere in Singapore. A foreigner comes here, he/she will play by the rules here. Cannot play by the rules, too bad. Go back.

And if any of us cultured Singaporeans go to any other country, and find that we are not able to accept what they call us or play by their rules, same thing. We come back. It's a duh.

Finally, I'm not sure if you are acting extremely dumb.

Saying:

I don’t use derogatory names to talk of people.

When this was already said:

In Singapore, we use the term Ang Mo freely. Nothing wrong.
But if we go to other countries where this term is regarded as derogatory, then it is dumb and offensive if we use it there.

Saying:

You think it’s ok to do it as long as nobody complains, and you won’t probably change your mind.

and

So please go on, Ang Moh me as much as you like, even if you know I don’t like to be refered by a stereotyped hair color.

When this was already said:

But of course, if pple use it in front of you, and you feel uncomfortable, state it out. There's no obligation for them to stop using it, but most people are cultured enough not to use the term in front of you again.

Saying:

You’re ignoring what I’m writing or playing dumb, or it’s just a cultural difference

and

Another cultural difference I guess. In my country hospitality says we should try to be good hosts and please the guest

When this has already been said:

Then again, if you want to go on and criticise the culture and language of others, you are inviting flames and criticism to yourself. And that's rather dumb in my opinion.

I think you should really tell us your home country so we can beware of your fellow countrymen.

eagle

11 Apr 09, 01:46

Originally posted by MyLord_L:

seyKai, thx for being the perfect example of what i was describing earlier. "like it or leave it" as classic answer to all critics coming from foreigners.

I don't expect you to treat me like a king, but i don't expect you to treat me like a dog either.

I ask you the same question that i asked Eagle: You see a man jumping from a bridge. Do you follow him?

Cofee-Lover: I'm glad to meet someone will a real education.. Thx for the nice words, I'm sure i will fit in eventually, it's not the first time i move in a foreign country. But you escalator example is not that good. I can see everyday people standing on the right side who don't care of people behind. But it's worst in the West so...

seyKai, thx for being the perfect example of what i was describing earlier. "like it or leave it" as classic answer to all critics coming from foreigners.

If your guests at your house has nothing but complains on you, on your dressing, on your house decorations, on the food you prepared for him, on everything you have and possess, what would you say to him? Suppose your guest tells you straight in your face that he don't like your attire and finds it uncomfortable, are you going to change it? Suppose he tells you he don't like the design of your utensils, are you going to rush out of home immediately to buy a new set to suit him? Suppose your guest doesn't like the sofa he/she is sitting on, are you going to rush out immediately to buy a new set of sofa and throw away your old set?

I ask you the same question that i asked Eagle: You see a man jumping from a bridge. Do you follow him?

Your analogy isn't even accurate.

You said this:

In my country hospitality says we should try to be good hosts and please the guest.

Why do you follow? Would you please the guest if he/she offends you? At all cost?

Or let me give you another analogy. In Sg, chips is generally regarded as potato chips. In UK, chips is regarded as fries. Why do each country follow their own culture? Why not follow others?

I don't expect you to treat me like a king, but i don't expect you to treat me like a dog either.

We have treated you as a guest; we educated you about the culture here, and the cultural explanations of the language and terms used. But no, you appeared to be unable to take it in your stride, but instead, criticised it. Is that in your country's culture? To criticise your host as a guest? And in this case, the culture of your host?

I wouldn't know about you, but Singaporeans practice cultural and religion tolerance, giving rise to a multi-cultural, multi-religion society. Seems like you aren't able to accept it.

mancha

11 Apr 09, 02:01

Englishman, I think.

Encountered one Englishman long time a go in Yahoo Chat. Came in, and started dictating rules, - no vulgarities, no derogatory remarks, no curses, no insults, no profanities, if anyone wants to engage him in a 'propah' discussion. Needless to say he vanished after a few lines.

xtreyier

11 Apr 09, 11:13

'Ang moh' is actually spoken with endearment and not with derision. You should be glad others call you an ang moh. It is symbolic with being wealthy, holding a stable career, a big spender and very liberal in attitude.

So much so that ridiculous singaporean women believes such myths and hero worships fair skin blue eyed boys, disregarding the real Singaporean males whom looks on with much amusement as they cherish their more intelligent and sensible womenfolk or foreign kind. Regardless of your skin color, we are all the same, but such myths still prepertrates, a hangover from our colonnial days on the superiority of the white race, whom built their civilisations upon the backs and heads of non-white skin asians.

BUT all that is past, for no one can exist on historical baggage, more so on the descendants of such imperialist and cruel white men or japanese torturers, as we seek to build a new world free from all kinds of discrimination, as you can see in Singapore - people of all races with one common goal - to survive for themselves and their next generations.

I personally bid you a warm welcome, and would address you by your real name if you should provide, to our shores and may you contribute to our growth and our society in a meaningful way, instead of being overly sensitive which will only inhibit your own personal development.

xtreyier

11 Apr 09, 11:13

*double post*

MyLord_L

11 Apr 09, 12:35

@Eagle: there's no point telling you my home country, so i won't indulge you. I don't you want to start a new stereotype based only on what i said...
What on say on my guest/host example doesn't apply. Your other examples don't apply. I'm losing my time with you.

@All

To make it short, I'll be please if nobody call me Ang Moh, because i don't like it. Even if you grand father used it all the time, if you think it's a cute name, and i should be glad i'm called like this, or you think i'm stupid. Just don't use it, for the reason il already described. This is a cultural difference, you don't see anything wrong about it, 90% of western people will think different. In the west using this kind of stereotyped name is seen as racism. and you may face serious argument leading to violence if used in the bad place.. I'm not accusing anyone, i'm just telling you guys and I understand it's different here. Maybe it's better to live in a country like Singapore where nobody cares of what other people call you by, but it's really difficult for me, regarding my education, and the place i grown up, to understand that. I was thaught that refering to people using stereotype is really rude. I'm not into the whole typical political correctness concept like "vertically challenged" instead of "small", but I'm trying to not make an opinion on people, just based on how they look like and where they coming from. That's why Ang Moh sounds rude to me.

But i wonder if everybody in Singapore think like you. I'd like to have the opinon of other local and other foreigners like Indian, African, Caucasian. I think i'm gonna start a new thread to discuss about that. With a better suitable subject we could gather more opinion.

BTW: I ws wondering if my nickname was a problem? I realized that with this subject, it could be taken bad. It's a really old joke, maybe i should have take somethng more neutral. It maybe make me look like a arrogant dude who want to rule you all.

eagle

11 Apr 09, 12:46

Originally posted by MyLord_L:

@Eagle: there's no point telling you my home country, so i won't indulge you. I don't you want to start a new stereotype based only on what i said...
What on say on my guest/host example doesn't apply. Your other examples don't apply. I'm losing my time with you.

To make it short, I'll be please if nobody call me Ang Moh, because i don't like it. Even if you grand father used it all the time, if you think it's a cute name, and i should be glad i'm called like this, or you think i'm stupid. Just don't use it, for the reason il already described. This is a cultural difference, you don't see anything wrong about it, 90% of western people will think different. In the west using this kind of stereotyped name is seen as racism. and you may face serious argument leading to violence if used in the bad place.. I'm not accusing anyone, i'm just telling you guys and I understand it's different here. Maybe it's better to live in a country like Singapore where nobody cares of what other people call you by, but it's really difficult for me, regarding my education, and the place i grown up, to understand that. I was thaught that refering to people using stereotype is really rude. I'm not into the whole typical politcally correct concept like "vertically challenged" instead of "small", but I'm trying to not make an opinion on people, just based on how they look like and where they coming from.

But i wonder if everybody think like you. I'd like to have the opinon of other local and other foreigners like Indian, African, Caucasian. I think i'm gonna start a new thread to discuss about that. With a better suitable subject we could gather more opinion.

BTW: I ws wondering if my nickname was a problem? I realized that with this subject, it could be taken bad. It's a really old joke, maybe i should have take somethng more neutral. It maybe make me look like a arrogant dude who want to rule you all.

@Eagle: there's no point telling you my home country, so i won't indulge you. I don't you want to start a new stereotype based only on what i said...
What on say on my guest/host example doesn't apply. Your other examples don't apply. I'm losing my time with you.

Simply put, you are merely giving the idea that you are just someone who is ashamed of telling us your country. You are ashamed of your behaviour, and afraid that it will lead to stereotypes on your fellow countrymen.

Did I say your guest/host example doesn't apply? I told you your analogy of following a man jumping down a bridge doesn't apply.

Reminder: I have given you the analogy/question of whether it is in your culture as a guest to criticise your host, of which you have conveniently side stepped.

To make it short, I'll be please if nobody call me Ang Moh, because i don't like it. Even if you grand father used it all the time, if you think it's a cute name, and i should be glad i'm called like this, or you think i'm stupid. Just don't use it, for the reason il already described. This is a cultural difference, you don't see anything wrong about it, 90% of western people will think different. In the west using this kind of stereotyped name is seen as racism. and you may face serious argument leading to violence if used in the bad place.. I'm not accusing anyone, i'm just telling you guys and I understand it's different here. Maybe it's better to live in a country like Singapore where nobody cares of what other people call you by, but it's really difficult for me, regarding my education, and the place i grown up, to understand that. I was thaught that refering to people using stereotype is really rude. I'm not into the whole typical politcally correct concept like "vertically challenged" instead of "small", but I'm trying to not make an opinion on people, just based on how they look like and where they coming from.

As I have already said, if because of cultural difference that Ang Moh is derogatory in your country, then it will be extremely dumb of us to use it in your country.

But because of the same cultural difference that it is not in Singapore, it is extremely dumb and rude of you to criticise it.

As xtreyier has put it:

'Ang moh' is actually spoken with endearment and not with derision. You should be glad others call you an ang moh. It is symbolic with being wealthy, holding a stable career, a big spender and very liberal in attitude.

Just like in Western countries, they regard all Asians as well, Asians. Not Singaporeans, not Japanese, etc. Or some even regard the Chinese race in Singaporeans as Chinese from China. There are a number here who take offence at that, so how?

Lastly, "ang moh" is not even Mandarin or English. It is a dialect. What you have done is tantamount to criticising another culture's dialect/language. Are you trying to breed racism and sow discord between caucasians/eurasians who accepted the culture and Singaporeans? I hope you are not.

But i wonder if everybody think like you. I'd like to have the opinon of other local and other foreigners like Indian, African, Caucasian. I think i'm gonna start a new thread to discuss about that. With a better suitable subject we could gather more opinion.

Well, in the US, Africans are refered to as Blacks. Would Africans find it racist?

Suppose you are an African, would you go over there and condemn them, telling them the same things you have just told us?

BTW: I ws wondering if my nickname was a problem? I realized that with this subject, it could be taken bad. It's a really old joke, maybe i should have take somethng more neutral. It maybe make me look like a arrogant dude who want to rule you all.

Your nick is not the problem. It's your attitude.

4sg

11 Apr 09, 12:50

White man's attitude, that is.

eagle

11 Apr 09, 12:54

Problem is, he made that stereotype on himself, and now he's putting the blame on us.

Worse still on his credibility, he can't bring himself to tell us his home country. If he was so sure all his countrymen would agree with him, I don't see anything wrong with stating it. Furthermore, it would educate us which countries would find it offensive, and when people from these countries come over, we would not use it as freely in front of them.

But no, he does not dare to do so. He prefers it to be a one sided attack on our local culture rather than fostering a cultural exchange.

4sg

11 Apr 09, 13:10

No need to ask about his home country.

It's either US or Britain, from the way he wrote, my guess is Britain.

seyKai

11 Apr 09, 13:20

Originally posted by MyLord_L:

@Eagle: there's no point telling you my home country, so i won't indulge you. I don't you want to start a new stereotype based only on what i said...
What on say on my guest/host example doesn't apply. Your other examples don't apply. I'm losing my time with you.

@All

To make it short, I'll be please if nobody call me Ang Moh, because i don't like it. Even if you grand father used it all the time, if you think it's a cute name, and i should be glad i'm called like this, or you think i'm stupid. Just don't use it, for the reason il already described. This is a cultural difference, you don't see anything wrong about it, 90% of western people will think different. In the west using this kind of stereotyped name is seen as racism. and you may face serious argument leading to violence if used in the bad place.. I'm not accusing anyone, i'm just telling you guys and I understand it's different here. Maybe it's better to live in a country like Singapore where nobody cares of what other people call you by, but it's really difficult for me, regarding my education, and the place i grown up, to understand that. I was thaught that refering to people using stereotype is really rude. I'm not into the whole typical political correctness concept like "vertically challenged" instead of "small", but I'm trying to not make an opinion on people, just based on how they look like and where they coming from. That's why Ang Moh sounds rude to me.

But i wonder if everybody in Singapore think like you. I'd like to have the opinon of other local and other foreigners like Indian, African, Caucasian. I think i'm gonna start a new thread to discuss about that. With a better suitable subject we could gather more opinion.

BTW: I ws wondering if my nickname was a problem? I realized that with this subject, it could be taken bad. It's a really old joke, maybe i should have take somethng more neutral. It maybe make me look like a arrogant dude who want to rule you all.

have u been to ANG MO KIO yet?

skythewood

11 Apr 09, 13:21

Originally posted by MyLord_L:

@Eagle: there's no point telling you my home country, so i won't indulge you. I don't you want to start a new stereotype based only on what i said...
What on say on my guest/host example doesn't apply. Your other examples don't apply. I'm losing my time with you.

@All

To make it short, I'll be please if nobody call me Ang Moh, because i don't like it. Even if you grand father used it all the time, if you think it's a cute name, and i should be glad i'm called like this, or you think i'm stupid. Just don't use it, for the reason il already described. This is a cultural difference, you don't see anything wrong about it, 90% of western people will think different. In the west using this kind of stereotyped name is seen as racism. and you may face serious argument leading to violence if used in the bad place.. I'm not accusing anyone, i'm just telling you guys and I understand it's different here. Maybe it's better to live in a country like Singapore where nobody cares of what other people call you by, but it's really difficult for me, regarding my education, and the place i grown up, to understand that. I was thaught that refering to people using stereotype is really rude. I'm not into the whole typical political correctness concept like "vertically challenged" instead of "small", but I'm trying to not make an opinion on people, just based on how they look like and where they coming from. That's why Ang Moh sounds rude to me.

But i wonder if everybody in Singapore think like you. I'd like to have the opinon of other local and other foreigners like Indian, African, Caucasian. I think i'm gonna start a new thread to discuss about that. With a better suitable subject we could gather more opinion.

BTW: I ws wondering if my nickname was a problem? I realized that with this subject, it could be taken bad. It's a really old joke, maybe i should have take somethng more neutral. It maybe make me look like a arrogant dude who want to rule you all.

you don't like people to call yu ang moh, than tell your friends that.

MyLord_L

11 Apr 09, 15:53

i'm not ashamed of my country. I love it, even if i'm away from it for personal and profesional reason. What i don't want is you changing the subject by finding bad stuff to say about my country, because this is not the point. You see a man jumping from a bridge. You follow him? Meaning just because some people do stupid stuff around doesn't mean that it's ok to be stupid yourself. So talking about other country using derogatory name is just not what i'm interested here, i don't want to talk about it, because there's nothing we can do. You say some foreigners from the west don't make difference between Asian people wether they are Chinese Malays or Japanese? It's true! This is a lack of education, and I can't help making a remark when they do it in front of me. Fortunatly things are changing.

Guest/host example. If the host call me "Ang Mo" i will ask him not to do it. Other you said about it don't apply. Did i came here and say "hey Sg like Durian, but it stinks, stop doing it!" ? No i didn't. I react to someone using Ang Mo in bitter way.

Don't put words in my mouth. I just say i don't like being called Ang Mo, i never said anything about Hokkien culture. There's probably better word to describe caucasian than Ang Mo in Hokkien. I think you're the one trying to make a troll of this thread...

seyKai, you talk of Ang Mo Kio. This is what i've found about it:

The locality's name is believed by some to derive from the Hokkien phrase Ang Mo Kio (çº¢æ¯›æ¡¥), meaning "Westerner Bridge". The term ang mo (literally "red hair") is a somewhat derogatory Hokkien reference to the people with fair hair who settled from the West and, because such a name might be considered unflattering, it is now written as å®�èŒ‚æ¡¥ which is pronounced in an almost identical way but means "Bridge of Expansiveness and Prosperity"

The words 'Ang Mo Kio' mean 'red-haired man's bridge' in the Hokkien dialect. The story of how the Ang Mo Kio area was named, was passed down from the old local village-folk to the present occupants of Ang Mo Kio New Town. The bridge refers to one or two bridges** located in the area during Singapore's era under colonial rule. It was the British who apparently built these bridges during the bygone colonial days. When Ang Mo Kio was transformed from a forested kampong into an HDB-flatted new town in the 1970s, the authorities decided to keep the phonetics of the name 'Ang Mo Kio', but altered the Chinese characters slightly, so that it would read 'large and prosperous bridge', instead of 'red-haired man's bridge

Looks like even Sg officials think like me...

the Bear

11 Apr 09, 16:17

This thread become more and more off-topic. Anyway its always good to think of people as another person, no matter which culture or country they are from. :lol:

S.gal83

11 Apr 09, 16:54

It is hard to find jobs in Singapore. I graduate with a degree, search for a job that requires a degree for one year, but to no avail. I decide to downgrade and look for a job that requires O/A level but was told that I was overqualified.

Finally, one and a half year later, I came across a job as a kindergarten teacher. The pay, though, is not very high. At least, I have a job, so I am not complaining. Times are really hard.

S.gal83

11 Apr 09, 16:54

I feel for people who cannot find a job.

4sg

11 Apr 09, 17:10

Originally posted by MyLord_L:

i'm not ashamed of my country. I love it, even if i'm away from it for personal and profesional reason. What i don't want is you changing the subject by finding bad stuff to say about my country, because this is not the point. You see a man jumping from a bridge. You follow him? Meaning just because some people do stupid stuff around doesn't mean that it's ok to be stupid yourself. So talking about other country using derogatory name is just not what i'm interested here, i don't want to talk about it, because there's nothing we can do. You say some foreigners from the west don't make difference between Asian people wether they are Chinese Malays or Japanese? It's true! This is a lack of education, and I can't help making a remark when they do it in front of me. Fortunatly things are changing.

Guest/host example. If the host call me "Ang Mo" i will ask him not to do it. Other you said about it don't apply. Did i came here and say "hey Sg like Durian, but it stinks, stop doing it!" ? No i didn't. I react to someone using Ang Mo in bitter way.

Don't put words in my mouth. I just say i don't like being called Ang Mo, i never said anything about Hokkien culture. There's probably better word to describe caucasian than Ang Mo in Hokkien. I think you're the one trying to make a troll of this thread...

seyKai, you talk of Ang Mo Kio. This is what i've found about it:

Looks like even Sg officials think like me...

I am sure you agreed that the word "red hair" has literal meaning to it. It is not structured in the western sense, like the word "Ching Chong Chinaman", where it is constructed out of thin air and use with relish, in derogatory way.

If you have been living in this part of the world, you would know that a single word can be syntactically combined with another word to give rise to another or new meaning. The Chinese language and dialects are one of them (for this matter, many languages too).

Put yourself in our shoes, sincerely see from our perpective and tell us which of the above words is more degoratory?

Shall we appologize to the westerner for developing our language this way? Or shall we change ourselves to suit foreigner here?

If change we must, where does the buck stop? Here in Singapore? If so, you must be kidding. What about telling the UK queen to drop her title because the word "Her Majesty" smacks of past colonalism?

We all know that a word carry more than literal mean. It can also carry symmetrical meaning. The word "fuck", shouts loudly on a crowded street and whispers in lover's ear, carry entirely different meanings.

Derogatory is a subjective matter here. If you feel "ang mo" is derogatory, it jolly well is. If you feel it isn't, it jolly well isn't. But I also know many white folks out there who are nonchalant or not bother by the word "ang mo".

4sg

11 Apr 09, 17:20

Originally posted by S.gal83:

It is hard to find jobs in Singapore. I graduate with a degree, search for a job that requires a degree for one year, but to no avail. I decide to downgrade and look for a job that requires O/A level but was told that I was overqualified.

Finally, one and a half year later, I came across a job as a kindergarten teacher. The pay, though, is not very high. At least, I have a job, so I am not complaining. Times are really hard.

What deg u grad in? u can pm me if not comfy posting here.

May able to let u know if there is job opening...but no promise...

eagle

11 Apr 09, 23:38

Originally posted by 4sg:

I am sure you agreed that the word "red hair" has literal meaning to it. It is not structured in the western sense, like the word "Ching Chong Chinaman", where it is constructed out of thin air and use with relish, in derogatory way.

If you have been living in this part of the world, you would know that a single word can be syntactically combined with another word to give rise to another or new meaning. The Chinese language and dialects are one of them (for this matter, many languages too).

Put yourself in our shoes, sincerely see from our perpective and tell us which of the above word is more degoratory?

Shall we appologize to the westerner for developing our language this way? Or shall we change ourselves to suit foreigner here?

If change we must, where does the buck stop? Here in Singapore? If so, you must be kidding. What about telling the UK queen to drop her title because the word "Her Majesty" smacks of past colonalism?

We all know that a word carry more than literal mean. It can also carry symmetrical meaning. The word "fuck", shouts loudly on a crowded street and whispers in lover's ear, carry entirely different meanings.

Derogatory is a subjective matter here. If you feel "ang mo" is derogatory, it jolly well is. If you feel it isn't, it jolly well isn't. But I also know many white folks out there who are nonchalant or not bother by the word "ang mo".

The word "fuck", shouts loudly on a crowded street and whispers in lover's ear, carry entirely different meanings.

To him, it's the same meaning.

Till now, he's still giving excuses not to tell us his home country. What more can be said about such a person? He's just ashamed. I didn't even say it is bad stuff, yet he admitted so fast that "What i don't want is you changing the subject by finding bad stuff to say about my country, because this is not the point"

Like wow.

But I also know many white folks out there who are nonchalant or not bother by the word "ang mo".

And he tries to bluff through by saying

90% of western people will think different.

Who's right?

I guess we can also say that 90% of westerners in Singapore agree with Singaporeans that such a term is not derogartory.

eagle

11 Apr 09, 23:51

Originally posted by MyLord_L:

i'm not ashamed of my country. I love it, even if i'm away from it for personal and profesional reason. What i don't want is you changing the subject by finding bad stuff to say about my country, because this is not the point. You see a man jumping from a bridge. You follow him? Meaning just because some people do stupid stuff around doesn't mean that it's ok to be stupid yourself. So talking about other country using derogatory name is just not what i'm interested here, i don't want to talk about it, because there's nothing we can do. You say some foreigners from the west don't make difference between Asian people wether they are Chinese Malays or Japanese? It's true! This is a lack of education, and I can't help making a remark when they do it in front of me. Fortunatly things are changing.

Guest/host example. If the host call me "Ang Mo" i will ask him not to do it. Other you said about it don't apply. Did i came here and say "hey Sg like Durian, but it stinks, stop doing it!" ? No i didn't. I react to someone using Ang Mo in bitter way.

Don't put words in my mouth. I just say i don't like being called Ang Mo, i never said anything about Hokkien culture. There's probably better word to describe caucasian than Ang Mo in Hokkien. I think you're the one trying to make a troll of this thread...

seyKai, you talk of Ang Mo Kio. This is what i've found about it:

Looks like even Sg officials think like me...

You see a man jumping from a bridge. You follow him? Meaning just because some people do stupid stuff around doesn't mean that it's ok to be stupid yourself. So talking about other country using derogatory name is just not what i'm interested here, i don't want to talk about it, because there's nothing we can do.

Of course you don't follow people to do stupid stuff. Thing is, only you find ang mo derogatory. None of us here find that it is.

Just because you find it so doesn't mean you have to impose your opinions and force it upon us. You are afterall just a guest.

And talking about other countries is a way better analogy than yours. Yet you are not interested. What a convenient excuse to slunk away again.

You say some foreigners from the west don't make difference between Asian people wether they are Chinese Malays or Japanese? It's true! This is a lack of education, and I can't help making a remark when they do it in front of me. Fortunatly things are changing.

This isn't about lack of education. It's in their culture, and from what I know of the Singaporeans who went with me overseas and witness such things, we find it interesting that they think and see differently.

Only uncultured people will want to find it offensive, point faults, and refuse to believe it is due to themselves.

Guest/host example. If the host call me "Ang Mo" i will ask him not to do it. Other you said about it don't apply. Did i came here and say "hey Sg like Durian, but it stinks, stop doing it!" ? No i didn't. I react to someone using Ang Mo in bitter way.

No, you didn't just ask. You criticised when it was kindly explained to you that it is just a cultural difference. You criticised the culture. You used an analogy to tell us right in our face that it is stupid.

So it is a norm in your country to criticise the host, and use analogies to tell the host he is stupid? Not once, not twice.

Don't put words in my mouth. I just say i don't like being called Ang Mo, i never said anything about Hokkien culture. There's probably better word to describe caucasian than Ang Mo in Hokkien. I think you're the one trying to make a troll of this thread...

Or would you prefer in Mandarin, the common term is yang ren (literally, people from the other side of the ocean). Or lao wai (literally old outsider)?

Let's see who's the first one to so affected by online virtual terms, so much so that he has to make a troll of this thread just to criticise his host country, making himself totally unwelcomed.

Finally, your wiki link does not reflect how most Singaporeans think. This is a better link:

http://talkback.stomp.com.sg/forums/showthread.php?t=267

Some posts from there:

but then again, when we go overseas, they call us "Chinks" too, which is definitely derogatory...
Ang mo means red hair. When we explain that to our ang mo friends, they find it amusing, and sometimes refer to themselves as ang mo too! Hence I don't think it is offensive to call caucasians ang mos

In today's context, I don't find the term Ang Moh to be a derogatory. Its just a simple way to refer to caucasions.

eagle

11 Apr 09, 23:59