Tenancy Agreement‏

• rqin

  23 Mar 10, 22:07

  Hi

  I would like to find out from you.  I had download tenancy agreement, did not endorsed by IRAS.
  Does the tenant(s) need not to follow all clauses stated in the tenancy agreement? 
   
  I have a tenant, Shanghai lady moving out on this Thursday 25 March 2010.
  When I asked from her to compensate me equal to 1 month rental, she told me she could not do so.
  Can I sue her from breaching the tenancy agreement, ask her to compensate me equal to 1 month rental?
  and also because of she changed her mind now and then on the moved out date, I have kept record of her sms.
   
  Can I use it as proof to sue her for breaching the tenancy agreement?
   
   
  Can I sue her for defamation or slander me in 1 of her sms in mandarin chinese sent to me?
  She wrote in her sms that I am insane 疯� when she changed her mind on the moved out date in her sms.
   
  Can I be sue by her when I replied her sms in mandarin chinese, in sms called her 臭三八 死八婆 猪脑袋？

   

  I feel troubled.

  Thanks

   

• rqin

  23 Mar 10, 22:29

  below is the sms between me & the shanghai lady called Tao Ke,  I sms her in mandarin she claimed that I twist here & there which is not true because she is the one who is doing that.

  From: me
  Time: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:28am
  贱女人，今天你没有交房租我是有�利的��约没注明1�交�笨拙�
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:18pm
  我现在告诉你�我的新房客，��房间的measurement放她的橱。�进房间了��一张床我须�整�那木�，把你的东西放在你的床�
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:15pm
  我现在告诉你�我的新房客，��房间的measurement放她的橱。�进房间��一张床我整�，把你的东西放在你的床�
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:01pm
  给我收� 我�会少你一分!
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 6:00pm
  是� ���找个律师�问问你有没有�力?有��在我离开之�我会赔给你 在我还�在里�一天你就�能没�过我�许就进�
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:59pm
  臭三八，收�我会给你。没给我房租钱也�谈�
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:57pm
  妈的�你��我�这是我的房�，我有�利检查我的房间有没有任何���
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:56pm
  我为什么�相信你 你是哪�人我已��识过了 给我收�别的�谈
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:49pm
  臭三八，我�是亲�跟你说过会给你。他妈的你烦�烦
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:48pm
  臭三八，我�是亲
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:42pm
  我�想�了 �你怎么说 给我收� 我给你350 �给我收� 我一��给你282 你自己选� 还有你�没有�过我��就进�我房间 我就�警察
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:31pm
  神�婆�你也别以为你自己是什么�我的儿��我家人或任何人没有义务帮你�事-帮你关你的房门�我们没有欠你地，也�是你的佣人�
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:20pm
  神�婆�你转简讯说你明天就�走，没有问我�以还是��以�神�婆�
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:17pm
  你自己神�婆 我�以给你三百五 但你�给我�� ��我��房间干净就�退还剩余的钱!
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:15pm
  是你�讲���神�婆��
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:14pm
  神�婆，你给我350
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:13pm
  你简直有病 我是跟你说我�以明天就�走 你说��以�就好了 我也��能硬硬��走 你�退我钱�以 我�会给你350 我�会给你282 你以为你是�啊 �去法庭是� �以你���讲� 就�能上法庭
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 5:05pm
  你自己转给我简讯�神�病�疯婆��一下说��到3月25日，�一会说�明天��我�会还你剩余的钱�你以为一会儿改�你的注�，你�会应该感到歉��
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 4:52pm
  我为什么�给你钱 我�� 我就�到25� 你昨天给我的纸已�写了�是么 你刚�自己也说了
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:59pm
  你自己说明天�就�，还我新�282.25就是了��
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:58pm
  你神�病 幼稚�第一是你自己说�到25�，今天你�说明天�。
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:37pm
  你自己�疯� 你动�动就�我法庭� 那现在就列�约咯 我没有那么多钱给你扣 你对我有什么�求就讲明白 除了�天�倒垃圾请问还有别的�?
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:34pm
  疯�
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:33pm
  懒得跟你� 麻烦你给我一个�� 列明你对我房间整�度有哪些�求 ��我�到这些 你就必须把剩于的钱退给我 谢谢
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:49pm
  你那么想让我� 我就�到下个月准准25�!
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 2:15pm
  对你这讲��的 连�本该�的，你的语气和�度�须�对你礼貌�
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 2:06pm
  我会�到准准25� 你开一个�关于退我剩下的钱 还有麻烦你在进我房间之�先问过我 你�便进入别人的房间�常没礼貌!!
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:13pm
  你没�到3月25日就�，你明天必须还我新�$282.25 若你没有还我钱那法庭��你签了termination of rental agreement说明�到3月25日没律行我是�以告你�
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:06pm
  我没这样说过�你这人有没有打扫，�有你自己知��别以�人之心妒��之腹��本把房间整�好点你都没有�到�你�出明天�就得还我新�282.25!
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:00pm
  你的��是你没�过我的�许进我的房间还是很对的了!!
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:58pm
  我�会拿别人的钱
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:51pm
  我现在也警告你 倒垃圾�都有忘记的时候 ��因为你是房东就以为�以开门进我的房间 我也有交房租!!! 我的房间里有很多现金 到时候少钱什么的大家都说�清楚!
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:27pm
  你没�到3月25日就�，你明天必须还我新�$282.25 (新�$350 除于1个月= 新�$11.29 x 25天 1�至25�3月 = 新�$282.25)
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:26pm
  �退还给我剩下的钱的数目麻烦你给我一个�
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:25pm
  你的垃圾没拿出去倒掉，有�完的香蕉皮弄房间臭�别忘了你说过你自己是个干净的人，我看未必�
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:17pm
  你所谓清�是什么标准
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:47am
  你没�到3月25日就�，你必须还我新�$282.25 (新�$350 除于1个月= 新�$11.29 x 25天 1�至25�3月 = 新�$282.25)
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:27am
  我会帮你打扫干净到你满�为止 �过我已�找到房� 我这个拜天就�以�走
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:07am
  我警告你，在这期间至到你�出的日期。若你没有��你�的房间清净 你房间的垃圾没清�，我是�会退还你剩下的几天钱�
  
  From: me
  Time: Thursday, February 25, 2010 10:41am
  S$350 处于31天(等于一个月) = S$11.29 x 6天 退回你的钱= S$67.74 + S$300押金 = 总结S$367.74
  
  From: me
  Time: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 9:00pm
  ��，我找到人但她希望一个人�而且她肯付一个人的租房钱。所以抱歉，你�好�到别地方。我会还给你押金新�300，请你在3月24日�出去。
  
  From: me
  Time: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 7:26pm
  请问你是�是很久没有打扫你的房间？�你的东西怎么放在�一张床？�地上怎么�。根本��人�的地方。而且今晚有人�看房间。
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:55pm
  是喔？�便你怎么说�。
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:35pm
  我选择一 还有我没有装模作样!
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:49pm
  'seenhui我��了 咳 我刚给那个房东给气哭了' 这是你�出的简迅��装模作样�现在我给你两个选择1是�到我找到人�你的房客-就是与你一起租房的��。2是你在3月1日�走因为这是你�出地;在你�给我的简迅里。2月的房租钱照例给我新�350，并且赔�我1个月的房租钱若你无法律行租约里所注明的�; 就用你的押金新�300�赔�我1个月的房租钱。�然我们法庭上�。
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:18am
  seenhui我��了 咳 我刚给那个房东给气哭了
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:58am
  你�以一次性把�说清楚 别改�改去Ok??
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:57am
  什么��?
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:56am
  ��，我事先生明若有人想租但�是想跟你�租房间的�就�当别论了。
  
  From: me
  Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:05am
  ��，是没有人�络我关于租房间的事。若你在3月1日�走; 你现在是给我1个月的通知是�？你别忘了租约说明，若没�满1年的�; 而你�出�走须�陪我等于1个月的租房钱。
  
  From: Tao Ke
  Time: Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:57am
  Jenny 我今天会去看房� 如果适� 我会跟对方确定 这样Ok�? 因为这个月也已�30�了 ��找就很难找到�适的了 �过你放心我会在3月1���走 2月1日我也会准时交给你350�房租 我现在先事先通知你 你�以找两个新房客进��了 谢谢 �好��打扰了

• jojobeach

  23 Mar 10, 22:51

  Your tenant is indeed very rude.. but you are also a very lousy landlord, how could you insult her ?

  Both of you epic fail.

  As a landlord, we do not intrude into our tenant's privacy. That is a given.

  As long as she pays for the month and gave you notice according to the rental agreement,  it doesn't matter when she moved out. I don't know why you have to insist she stay till end of march.

  I had tenants who paid for the month but moved out early to mid month.. but I never penalize them, because they had either found a better place to stay or they are not happy living at your home.

  As landlords, we should not abuse our authority and treat them like they owe us a living.

  You must remember.. your home is not a ZOO, and you are not a zoo keeper. 

  The tenant is your CUSTOMER, because they are PAYING YOU.

   

• rqin

  23 Mar 10, 23:02

  but don't forget the tenancy agreement she signed, if she didnt stay till expiry of the tenancy agreement she will have to compensate me which she claimed she don't have money.

  further more she is the 1 who said in the 1st place move out on 25 March 2010, and she is the one who changed her mind think that by sms me informed that she moved out on Sunday 28 February 2010.

   

  Thank you.

• jojobeach

  23 Mar 10, 23:11

  Originally posted by rqin:

  but don't forget the tenancy agreement she signed, if she didnt stay till expiry of the tenancy agreement she will have to compensate me which she claimed she don't have money.

  further more she is the 1 who said in the 1st place move out on 25 March 2010, and she is the one who changed her mind think that by sms me informed that she moved out on Sunday 28 February 2010.

   

  Thank you.

  There are other means of resolving this kind of conflict.

  I usually explain to my tenants why they had to pay if they break lease early.

  The penalty is not really to PENALISE, rather to cover the cost and inconvenience of finding a new tenant. Advertisement cost, agents commission, and showing the rental unit.

  If she does not wish to pay the "penalty", then tell her to get a new tenant for you. Once you have the new tenant signed up, you can release her immediately.

  Your tenant is a foreigner, all the more you should be more understanding, she doesn't know the local rules as well as we do.

  Trading insults add to nothing. Two parties get frustrated, and left with a bitter after taste.

  An agreement is done between both parties so that no misunderstanding arise that will result in excess conflict and unhappiness.

  While it is legal binding, you should not use it to INTIMIDATE the other party.

   

   

   

• rqin

  23 Mar 10, 23:13

  before she moved in, claimed that she keep the place clean which turn out otherwise.

  If you think I'm at fault, as a landlord can not tell her to keep the place clean & have to close both my eyes that is up to other people but not me.

  I had told her personally, and what did I get? arrogant expression which was shown to me, is ok lor whatever you said.

  beside the Shanghai gal, I've other tenant a Malaysian couple the lady told me that she caught the Shanghai gal didnt keep the common bath room clean.

  which I asked the Shanghai gal, she deny it and claimed that she kept it clean which I caught her red handed too.

  If I abuse my authority as landlord, I would be like 1 of the asiaone news online article - 1 china tennat chased out by landlord.  I obliged to the tenancy agreement, now you highlight to me who is not obliged to the tenancy agreement.  Then what the use of the tenancy agreement since Shanghai gal had sighed.

  I can't image if I didn't have the tenancy agreement it could be more worse.

  Thank you.

• jojobeach

  23 Mar 10, 23:13

  but given the quarrel you had with your current tenant.. I doubt she would want to recommend anyone she know personally to your house.

  Friends don't send another friend into hell.

• jojobeach

  23 Mar 10, 23:21

  Originally posted by rqin:

  before she moved in, claimed that she keep the place clean which turn out otherwise.

  If you think I'm at fault, as a landlord can not tell her to keep the place clean & have to close both my eyes that is up to other people but not me.

  I had told her personally, and what did I get? arrogant expression which was shown to me, is ok lor whatever you said.

  beside the Shanghai gal, I've other tenant a Malaysian couple the lady told me that she caught the Shanghai gal didnt keep the common bath room clean.

  which I asked the Shanghai gal, she deny it and claimed that she kept it clean which I caught her red handed too.

  If I abuse my authority as landlord, I would be like 1 of the asiaone news online article - 1 china tennat chased out by landlord.  I obliged to the tenancy agreement, now you highlight to me who is not obliged to the tenancy agreement.  Then what the use of the tenancy agreement since Shanghai gal had sighed.

  I can't image if I didn't have the tenancy agreement it could be more worse.

  Thank you.

  Cleanliness is subjective. To her.. it's already clean, to some it's not.

  Coming from Shanghai, their hygiene level is very different from a Singaporean and Malaysian. I've been there before.. I know how "unhygienic" they are.

  Just make a note that you will no longer accept Shanghainese in the future. You choose your tenants.

  When you rent out to several different individuals or family, you should consider having a cleaner come in at shared cost. That way, it helps to reduce conflict with regards to shared amenities or common areas.

  As for her, the attitude will get her booted out anywhere she goes. That's her problem.

   

• rqin

  23 Mar 10, 23:25

  I don't need them to recommend anyone to my place, I had encounter people recommend from her.

  Either stay for 1 month or 3 months, which I had clearly told her prefer look for tenant stay for 1 year.

  FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I'm a human being.

  For the Malaysian couple, before they moved in & they agreed to keep the place clean.

  This is the basic requirement that I ask from my tennat, keep the place clean.

  Unless you're telling me that is ok for tenant to dirty the place, I told them to keep their room clean is all that I asked.  Rest of the areas like living room; kitchen area & 2 bath rooms I'm the 1 who clean it.

  If you disagree with me, by all means any good suggestion from you are welcome.

  Bless you, in the near future that you don't rent out any rooms to such people or encounter such people.

  Thank you.

• Poignant

  23 Mar 10, 23:26

  woah, damn long.

  imo, i find you the one who's more rude.

  sometimes, dont need follow law by law one mah.

  人 间有情, if can, then try give and take luh.
  

• rqin

  23 Mar 10, 23:30

  jojobeach

  This will be my 1st & last time I'm renting out room to China people

• jojobeach

  23 Mar 10, 23:31

  Originally posted by rqin:

  I don't need them to recommend anyone to my place, I had encounter people recommend from her.

  Either stay for 1 month or 3 months, which I had clearly told her prefer look for tenant stay for 1 year.

  FOR YOUR INFORMATION, I'm a human being.

  For the Malaysian couple, before they moved in & they agreed to keep the place clean.

  This is the basic requirement that I ask from my tennat, keep the place clean.

  Unless you're telling me that is ok for tenant to dirty the place, I told them to keep their room clean is all that I asked.  Rest of the areas like living room; kitchen area & 2 bath rooms I'm the 1 who clean it.

  If you disagree with me, by all means any good suggestion from you are welcome.

  Bless you, in the near future that you don't rent out any rooms to such people or encounter such people.

  Thank you.

  I had my fair share of lousy tenants. Some whom trashed my place for no apparent reason.

  But fighting with my tenants don't do any good.

  A good and loyal tenant is hard to come by. When I get one, I try my best to keep them.

  The bad ones.. I let them go. I rather forgo that "peanut penalty" ,  it's not worth it , really.

  DO you feel happy when you get the extra one month through intimidation ?  If it's such a big deal to you.. then by all means... do what you must so  that you attain happiness.

   

   

• rqin

  23 Mar 10, 23:35

  Poignant

  Only happen to other people, I give more than I take from people.

  It's ok, bless you that you don't complain when you encounter them.

  good luck.

   

  jojobeach

  you can say that, wait till if you don't have tenancy agreement they will walk over you.

• jojobeach

  23 Mar 10, 23:39

  Originally posted by rqin:

  Poignant

  Only happen to other people, I give more than I take from people.

  It's ok, bless you that you don't complain when you encounter them.

  good luck.

   

  jojobeach

  you can say that, wait till if you don't have tenancy agreement they will walk over you.

  no tenancy agreement ? Then it is my fault for letting that happen.

  Whats the point of keeping someone you don't like and don't want to keep , living under your roof, just because you have an agreeement ?

  Are you a prison warden ? seriously girl..

  Lets face it lah.. you are just eyeing that extra $300 yes ? Then pity that lady.. renting from a greedy person like you.

   

   

• rqin

  23 Mar 10, 23:41

  jojobeach

   

  then tell what the use of the agreement? who ever - tenant or landlord sign should oblige it right?

  anyway just consider myself unluck to have such tenant from Mars. 

• rqin

  23 Mar 10, 23:46

  jojobeach

   

  up to you claimed that I'm a greedy person.

  I just stand by my firm that's all I can say.

  Thanks for all the comments.

• noahnoah

  23 Mar 10, 23:50

   

  if agreement not endorsed by IRAS

  sorry ..under the eye of law

  is not vaild at all

  Want to save stamp fee

  but want the court to step a leg in

  NO free lunch in this world

• rqin

  23 Mar 10, 23:52

  noahnoah

  Thanks I got it loud & clear.

• jojobeach

  23 Mar 10, 23:57

  Originally posted by noahnoah:

   

  if agreement not endorsed by IRAS

  sorry ..under the eye of law

  is not vaild at all

  Want to save stamp fee

  but want the court to step a leg in

  NO free lunch in this world

  What do you expect from a cheapskate landlord ?

  I pity the shanghai tenant.. if only she knew...

• rqin

  23 Mar 10, 23:59

  you want her hp number?

  ya ya, anymore?

• jojobeach

  24 Mar 10, 00:02

  Originally posted by rqin:

  you want her hp number?

  ya ya, anymore?

  tsk tsk.. you do know that you will be in deep shit if she reports you to  IRAS right ?

   

• rqin

  24 Mar 10, 00:04

  execuse me?

  I register with HDB & IRAS, what else did I miss out?

   

• jojobeach

  24 Mar 10, 00:12

  Originally posted by rqin:

  execuse me?

  I register with HDB & IRAS, what else did I miss out?

   

  "Evasion of stamp duty is a serious offence that could lead to a fine of up to $10,000
  or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or both."

  What else do you want to know ? Who is acting ya ya here ?

   

   

   

• novelltie

  24 Mar 10, 00:16

  rqin, simmer down... we are trying to help you.

• rqin

  24 Mar 10, 00:17

  Ok, thanks for the update.