need some advice....
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Originally posted by cokeyou:
Only God can change a person to become better.We human beings are unable to do it no matter how powerful we are.
Sorry bro, I disagreed with you.If only GOD can change a person, why still need to study pri school for the kids? They study to learn to be a good kid and study well.
If only GOD can change a person, why still pple go night class to upgrade themselves to be a better person and to progress and climb up the coporate ladder?
Might as well sit at home, lt the GOD change for you.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Sorry bro, I disagreed with you.If only GOD can change a person, why still need to study pri school for the kids? They study to learn to be a good kid and study well.
If only GOD can change a person, why still pple go night class to upgrade themselves to be a better person and to progress and climb up the coporate ladder?
Might as well sit at home, lt the GOD change for you.
Very hard even sometime GOD hard to change. Got Christian Serial Killer. His name is BTK:
Dennis Lynn Rader (born March 9, 1945) is an American serial killer who murdered ten people in Sedgwick County (in and around Wichita, Kansas), between 1974 and 1991.
He was known as the BTK killer (or the BTK strangler), which stands for "bind, torture and kill" and describes his modus operandi. He sent letters describing the details of the killings to police and to local news outlets during the period of time in which the murders took place.
After a long hiatus in the 1990s through early 2000s, Rader resumed sending letters in 2004, leading to his 2005 arrest and subsequent conviction. He is currently serving a life sentence at El Dorado Correctional Facility, with an earliest possible release date of February 26, 2180
Early life
Rader is the eldest of four sons[1] born to William Elvin Rader and Dorothea Mae Cook. Though born in Pittsburg, Kansas, he grew up in Wichita, attended Riverview School, and later graduated from Wichita Heights High School. In 1957, he was confirmed into the Zion Lutheran Church. According to several reports, including his own confessions, as a child he tortured animals,[1][2] one of the warning signs in the Macdonald triad. He also harbored a sexual fetish for women's underwear;[3] he would later steal panties from his victims and wear them himself.[2] Rader attended Kansas Wesleyan University from 1965 to 1966. He subsequently spent four years (1966–1970) in the U.S. Air Force, stationed in Texas, Alabama, Okinawa, South Korea, Greece and Turkey.
When he returned to the United States, he moved to Park City, a suburb located seven miles north of Wichita. He worked for a time in the meat department of Leekers IGA supermarket in Park City alongside his mother, a bookkeeper for the store.
[edit] Personal life
Rader attended Butler County Community College in El Dorado, earning an associate's degree in Electronics in 1973. He enrolled at Wichita State University that same fall. He graduated from there in 1979 with a bachelor's degree in Administration of Justice. He married Paula Dietz, on May 22, 1971, and they had one son and one daughter.
From 1972 to 1973, Rader worked as an assembler for the Coleman Company, a camping gear firm, as had two of his early victims. He then worked for a short time for Cessna, in 1973. From November 1974 until being fired in July 1988, Rader worked at a Wichita-based office of ADT Security Services, a company that sold and installed alarm systems for commercial businesses during Rader's years there.[4] He held several positions, including installation manager. It is believed that he learned how to defeat home security systems while there.[citation needed]
Rader was a census field operations supervisor for the Wichita area in 1989, prior to the 1990 federal census.[5]
In 1991 Rader was hired to be supervisor of the Compliance Department at Park City, a two-employee, multi-functional department in charge of "animal control, housing problems, zoning, general permit enforcement and a variety of nuisance cases." In this position, neighbors recalled him as sometimes overzealous and extremely strict; one neighbor complained that he euthanized her dog for no reason. On March 2, 2005, the Park City council terminated Rader's employment for failure to report to work or to call in; he had been arrested for the murders five days earlier.
Rader served on both the Sedgwick County's Board of Zoning Appeals and the Animal Control Advisory Board (appointed in 1996 and resigned in 1998). He was also a member of Christ Lutheran Church, a Lutheran congregation of about 200 people, near his former high school. He had been a member for about 30 years and had been elected president[6] of the Congregation Council. He was also a Cub Scout leader. His son became an Eagle Scout. On July 27, 2005, after Rader's arrest, Sedgwick County District Judge Eric Yost waived the usual 60-day waiting period and granted an immediate divorce for his wife, agreeing that her mental health was in danger. Rader did not contest the divorce, and the 33-year marriage was ended. Paula Rader said in her divorce petition that her mental and physical condition has been adversely affected by the marriage.
[edit] Victims
- January 15, 1974: Four members of the Otero family
- Joseph Otero
- Julie Otero, Joseph's wife
- Joseph Otero II, son
- Josephine Otero, daughter
- April 4, 1974: Kathryn Bright (he also shot Bright's brother, Kevin, twice in the head, but he survived)
- March 17, 1977: Shirley Vian (her 3 children, age 8, 6, and 4 years, were home but were locked in a bathroom by Rader and escaped)
- December 8, 1977: Nancy Fox
- April 27, 1985: Marine Hedge
- September 16, 1986: Vicki Wegerle
- January 19, 1991: Dolores Davis
He collected items from the scenes of the murders he committed and, reportedly, he had no items that were related to any other killings. He did have other intended victims, notably Anna Williams, 63, who in 1979 escaped death by returning home much later than he expected. Rader explained during his confession that he had become obsessed with Williams and was "absolutely livid" when she evaded him. Rader spent hours waiting in her home but became impatient and left when she did not return home from visiting friends.[7]
Rader had stalked two women in the 1980s and one in the mid-1990s. They filed restraining orders against him and one moved away.[8]
Rader also admitted in his interrogation that he was planning to kill again. He had even set a date, October 2004, and was stalking his intended victim.[3][9]
Investigation
By 2004, the investigation of the BTK Killer had gone cold. Then, Rader sent a letter to the police, claiming responsibility for a killing that had previously not been attributed to him. DNA collected from under the fingernails of that victim provided police with previously unknown evidence. They then began DNA testing hundreds of men in an effort to find the serial killer. Altogether, some 1100 DNA samples were taken.[10]
The police corresponded with the BTK Killer (Rader) in an effort to gain his confidence. Then, in one of his communications with police, Rader asked them if it was possible to trace information from floppy disks. The police department replied that there was no way of knowing what computer such a disk had been used on, when in fact such ways existed. Rader then sent his message and floppy to the police department, which quickly checked the metadata of the Microsoft Word document. In the metadata, they found that the document had been made by a man who called himself Dennis. They also found a link to the Lutheran Church. When the police searched on the Internet for 'Lutheran Church Wichita Dennis', they found his family name, and were able to identify a suspect: Dennis Rader, a Lutheran Deacon. The police also knew BTK owned a black Jeep Cherokee. When investigators drove by Rader's house they noticed a black Jeep Cherokee parked outside.
The police now had strong circumstantial evidence against Rader, but they needed more direct evidence in order to detain him. They obtained a warrant to test the DNA of a Pap smear Rader's daughter had taken at the University of Kansas medical clinic while she was a student there. The DNA of the Pap smear was a near match to the DNA of the sample taken from the victim's fingernails indicating that the killer was closely related to Rader's daughter. This was the evidence the police needed to make an arrest.[11]
On February 25, 2005, Rader was detained near his home in Park City and accused of the BTK killings. At a press conference the next morning, Wichita Police Chief Norman Williams announced, "the bottom line... BTK is arrested." Rader pleaded guilty to the murders on June 27, 2005, giving a graphic account of his crimes in court.[12][13] On August 18, 2005, he was sentenced to serve 10 consecutive life sentences, one life sentence per murder victim. This included nine life sentences that each had the possibility of parole after 15 years, and one life sentence with the possibility of parole after 40 years. It meant that, in total, Rader would be eligible for parole after 175 years of imprisonment, in 2180.[14]
Rader was ineligible for the death penalty, because Kansas did not have a death penalty during the period of time in which he committed his crimes. Kansas reinstated death penalty laws in 1994.
ArrestThe BTK killer's last known communication with the media and police was a padded envelope which arrived at FOX affiliate KSAS-TV in Wichita on February 16, 2005. A purple, 1.44-MB Memorex floppy disk was enclosed in the package. Also enclosed were a letter, a photocopy of the cover of a 1989 novel about a serial killer (Rules of Prey) and a gold-colored necklace with a large medallion.[19]
Police found metadata embedded in a deleted Microsoft Word document that was, unbeknownst to Rader, on the disk.[20] The metadata, recovered using the forensic software EnCase,[20] contained "Christ Lutheran Church", and the document was marked as last modified by "Dennis". A search of the church website turned up Dennis Rader as president of the congregation council. Police began surveillance of Rader.[21]
Sometime during this period, police obtained a warrant for the medical records of Rader's daughter. A tissue sample seized at this time was tested for DNA and provided a familial match with semen collected at an earlier BTK crime scene. This, along with other evidence gathered prior to and during the surveillance, gave police probable cause for an arrest.[22]
Rader was stopped while driving near his home and taken into custody shortly after noon on February 25, 2005. Immediately after, law enforcement officials, including a Wichita Police bomb unit truck, two SWAT trucks, and KBI, FBI and ATF agents, converged on Rader's residence near the intersection of I-135 and 61st Street North. Once in handcuffs, he was asked by an officer, "Mr. Rader, do you know why you're going downtown?" to which he replied, "Oh, I have my suspicions, why?" Police searched Rader's home and vehicle collecting evidence, including computer equipment, a pair of black pantyhose retrieved from a shed, and a cylindrical container. The church he attended, his office at City Hall and the main branch of the Park City library were also searched that day. Officers were seen removing a computer from his City Hall office, but it is unclear if any evidence was found at these locations.
After his arrest, Rader talked to the police for several hours. He stated he chose to resurface in 2004 for various reasons, including David Lohr's feature story on the case and the release of the book Nightmare in Wichita: The Hunt for the BTK Strangler by Robert Beattie. He wanted the opportunity to tell his story his own way. He also said he was bored because his children had grown up and he had more time on his hands.
On February 26, 2005, The Wichita Police Department announced in a press conference that they were holding Rader as the prime suspect in the BTK killings.[23]
Rader was formally charged with the murders on February 28, 2005.[24]
- January 15, 1974: Four members of the Otero family
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i dont think prisoners can so easily receive letters and reply.
need sometime one.
dependin on his reply, and if hes truly repentant,
u can decide if u can ignore his mistake and still wan to be with him
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can any mods ban macho man?
This guy sibei irritating with his useless murderer reports.
Long and probably no one bothers to read too.
And i hate scrolling over a pile of trash.
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Originally posted by trolol:
can any mods ban macho man?
This guy sibei irritating with his useless murderer reports.
Long and probably no one bothers to read too.
And i hate scrolling over a pile of trash.
agreed.
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thanks everyone, for your advice. i don't think i can make a trip to visit him as only immediate family members are allowed in. and the report said that he was suffering from "depression" and something else can't remember. and the strange thing is that, he did those stuff before we were together and he never did try to hurt me in any way for the past 8 months. i am waiting to listen to his explanation through his letter but he has not replied me yet.
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i am now in a state of confusion and i am not sure what is going on at all. he had been very normal all these while although sometimes he would act strangely, like apologising profusely for no reason. i am waiting for his reply. anyone knows how long it will take? i will be fair and hear what he has to say before making any decisions.
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Originally posted by cokeyou:
Only God can change a person to become better.We human beings are unable to do it no matter how powerful we are.
I think it is better that you post your thread at ET.Over here, we dont discuss about GOD change this, GOD change that.
One thing for sure, you have waste your life if you let GOD change you and your living. You simply dont have any backbone at all.
Btw, plse post any religion matter at ET.
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Probably have to wait 2-3 weeks
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Originally posted by Mybluemoon:
i am now in a state of confusion and i am not sure what is going on at all. he had been very normal all these while although sometimes he would act strangely, like apologising profusely for no reason. i am waiting for his reply. anyone knows how long it will take? i will be fair and hear what he has to say before making any decisions.
Are you able to talk to his family members?Find out more from them.
How long? Nobody knows really.
Reading a letter is different from looking at someone and talk to you.
Best is you hear what he said.
Not from letter.
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his family members are full of lies as well. i wouldnt mind listening to him through mail instead of getting info from his family members. his mother etc have cooked up a story together with him to transmit false information to me as well. so i will not trust whatever his mum says. as long as the letter is written by himself, i wouldnt mind communicating through letters. he is usually very sweet and caring, and he always looks after me and is very tolerant, he never hits me or scolds me or forces me into anything ever before. thats what made me so shocked.
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Originally posted by trolol:
can any mods ban macho man?
This guy sibei irritating with his useless murderer reports.
Long and probably no one bothers to read too.
And i hate scrolling over a pile of trash.
I second this
OT: That depends on you if you want to forgive him. But after your last post, seems like his family members very selfish. I find no reason for his mum to lie to you also... I think best is leave him. Save the dramas....
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Originally posted by Mybluemoon:
his family members are full of lies as well. i wouldnt mind listening to him through mail instead of getting info from his family members. his mother etc have cooked up a story together with him to transmit false information to me as well. so i will not trust whatever his mum says. as long as the letter is written by himself, i wouldnt mind communicating through letters. he is usually very sweet and caring, and he always looks after me and is very tolerant, he never hits me or scolds me or forces me into anything ever before. thats what made me so shocked.
Remember before and after marry is different love.
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his mum loves him so much. but in the wrong way. spare the rod, spoil the child. she never scolds him and doesnt want him to be sad ever. i suspect, both himself and his mother know that if i knew he did such a thing, i would choose to leave him. that could be why she lied.
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Originally posted by Mybluemoon:
his mum loves him so much. but in the wrong way. spare the rod, spoil the child. she never scolds him and doesnt want him to be sad ever. i suspect, both himself and his mother know that if i knew he did such a thing, i would choose to leave him. that could be why she lied.
Mother's love is always great.You cannot blame her.Be rational on what choice you make.
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im still waiting for his reply anyway. and i will be fair and listen to what he has to say first. just wanna find out like how long it will take and stuff
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Hi...
In my humble opinion.....
You are still lucky and fortunate.....because you are still only in the dating phase.....
You have not married him yet.....
In my opinion....
It is better to seek other better men...for your life partner....
If you stick with him.....it will be tiring and draining....
Why should you do that...?
You have to decide and think very carefully, and you have to plan your life, your future......You have to think deeply about some consequences and some paths that you take.
I think you need to take action and try to change path.
It is unfair for you.....
You still can get thousands of other men out there......dont choose a life of sacrifice....thinking you can change him......thinking that love conquers all, etc......it need not be this way.....
Please......life is short.....this guy has problems and he is a problematic man with issues.......you need to surround yourself with good people, optimistic and uplifting people, with people who can motivate you and make you improve....people who complete you, protect you, support you........all these.....and not someone who is a burden, to be honest.....
So my advice is to break up with him, as soon as practicable.
Dont waste anymore time......
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but honestly, i wont deny it. i do love him and i really think of him everyday and how he is, although i was very disgusted at first after discovering his darkest secret.
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i will award your bf with a yellow ribbon when he is out of prison...this tag certifies that he is still fit to love after a hard lesson
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Just break up.....
It will be hard for a while....then it will get better....
Life moves on....
Then later you will meet other more suitable partners.....
You have to be strong.
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move on... get on with your life
you are too precious for any heartaches and complications
keep your life simple, simple job, simple relationship that you enjoy
love yourself by understanding yourself first before going into any relationship. Know what you can love and what you cannot love so that it's easy to make a decision.
Good luck to you ! Go to a nearby church and may you experience the greatest love ever given to mankind.
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i know of that. but i still have to listen to what he has to say. and he will be taking his A levels inside prison school starting 2011.
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a guy who will molest a girl has a higher tendancy than other guys to commit molest again. my good advice is to find a new guy. if he did something that don't respect you and throw his life away, then all the more you should cherish yours.
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he even told his mother that he wanted to marry me when we were older and that if i didnt want him anymore, his life wouldnt mean anything to him. it really worries me, honestly.
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Melodrama of the highest order and emotional blackmail - that is what it is all about.
I am sure for all claims he should know better that being reckless cancels out love