Please give me some good advise!
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Dan, Greg, me were good friends.
Dan is good looking. Greg has ways with girls. Joyce is the same school as Dan. She is so adorable that almost everyone sees her, like her.
Alan is Dan's cousin. He is quite a bastard from my point of view.
Dan's dad is a Big time gangster, so big that "zhongs" have to give him face. I used to respect him, but now....
Dan found Joyce, and like her. Joyce had a boyfriend but had breakup. Then they had sex but they were never boyfriend and girlfriends. Dan then introduces Joyce to Greg and I. After a while Joyce patch back with her boyfriend and didn't contact us anymore.
Months later, when Greg was at home, he call Dan over to his house and happen to talk about Joyce. Then they invite Joyce over to Greg's house. When Dan's sleeping, Greg and Joyce fell in love or something. Then they did something close to sex. Dan didn't know.
The next few days Greg and Joyce have been meeting each otherÂ’s and they had sex. Greg wants to tell Dan about it but did not know how.
One day, when Greg, Dan, and Alan went to Ktv. Greg asked Dan, do you like Joyce?
Dan: “ai ya, now got no girl to fark, try to get lar."
Greg: “So have you got her?”
Dan: “Hard to get lor.”
Greg: “You know why? Cause you lousy!”
Dan: “You try lar!”
Greg: “If I get how?”
Dan: “You can get you get lor.”
Greg: “You say one ar.”
Dan: “YA!”
Greg: “Okay I fark her already.”
Dan: “Ya right.”
Greg: “She even gam my lanjiao all this already.”
Dan remained silent and nods his head. He decided not to pursue this matter but this conversation was over heard by overheard Alan. -
Alan went to tell Dan's dad and Dan's dad went to ask Dan, is it true that Greg stole Joyce from you. Dan was shocked that his dad knows about this.
Dan's dad and Alan keeps bringing it up and it seems to be affecting Dan. Influenced by their words Dan begin to feel angry, sad and as if Greg really stole Joyce from Dan. Dan's dad then asked Dan to call Joyce to over to their house.Then Dan's dad said that he want to talk to Joyce in private and they did.
The next day, Joyce called Greg and said: “You go and tell around to everyone that you fark me all this already is it?” Greg explained to Joyce that all he wants is just to let Dan know and he admitted that the way he put it is wrong but he only told Dan. Alan is the one who overheard and goes around telling.
That night, I went to meet both of them. At that time I know nothing, but I know something was going on. We all went to Dan’s house. I manage to dig out everything from Joyce and I felt sad hearing from her. Joyce cried to me and said: “ I feel like a biatch… Greg and Dan 13years friendship… I spoil it all… and now I even got something to do with Dan's dad… I really don’t want! I really don’t want all this things to happen one.” She told me that Dan's dad wanted to teach Greg a lesson but Dan and Joyce stopped him. She also told me that Dan's dad says that Greg is spoiling her reputation by telling everyone; if he loves you he should care about that. I asked her what happened and what did Dan's dad do to you but she refused to tell me.
The next day, Dan's dad ask Joyce to go to their house for drinking but Joyce seems afraid so I followed her till morning, then I left for tuition. After I finished my tuition, I call her and she told me that the moment I left, his dad asked her to the room. I felt bad so I apologies, but she said: “If got thing happen also happened already lor.” From my point of view is that nothing happen that day but something had already happened. I suspect that Dan's dad fark Joyce by using his power and threatened to beat up Greg if she doesn’t. -
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Now all Joyce is asking just Greg & Dan back together. I think that sheÂ’s the most painful in the game. But that will not happen because Greg & Dan is trying to get her. She didnÂ’t intent to get attached after all this things had happen. She just wants to remain as friends and forget about the sad things.
I donÂ’t know how to help her too. She doesnÂ’t tell me maybe because itÂ’s a shameful thing to a girl. And even if I want to help, that have to be revealed and it sure will make her feel sad.
Even she tells me and allows me to do something, there's another problem. Dan's mother had passed away, now his dad is his only kin. Dan knows nothing about this and he always thinks his dad as a great one. He and his dad's relationship will be broken.
Alan said that GregÂ’s the one spoiling her reputation but what I feel is that Alan is the one who is spreading it around. -
Too many A, B, C, D, E... I can't read properly. Please just false name to make things clearer.
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I lost in your maze of words, can simple the whole thing down. So we can help you
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let yunhaier do the job....too comfusing..and pls simplify
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and you nebere state what advice u need
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Fake names up. Sorry I don't know how to simply it.
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She's stuck and I want to help her. But it seems that there are too many obstacles.
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dammit, i read 3 times u know....but i try to conclude loh...may got the pple mixed up..dont blame me.
you are saying that Dan, Gred and Den's dad had sex with Joyce right, but oni Dan and Grad case is comfirm. For Dan's dad case, it can be considered as a rape case. And it was not right of Dan to spread the new that he had sex with Joyce b4.
If a ger wanted to haf a nite with a person, if does not means that she is cheap, it does not means that she like you either. Dan is in the wrong here. And he even challanged Grad to do the same, cause he felt that Joyce is a loose ger, and wil had sex with almost every guy.
i hope i get these facts right.
i think wat u want to know now is how to console Joyce izzit? Or how u want to face all of them?
Something is certain, the friendship will not be the same anymore. Not that Joyce spoilt it, but Dan asked for it. HIs dad is the rapist, soli if i had to label this way, but he is the freaking rapist. Ask Joyce to report him and had him jailed. Ans Joyce to forget anout Den and Grad, dont care who is right or wrong. Ask her to lead her own life.
Joyce is the poor ger here, as wat i can see, but i hope u haf the ability to bring her out of this sh^it. ( not asking u to haf sex with her ) -
Something like that.Originally posted by De|usi0n:dammit, i read 3 times u know....but i try to conclude loh...may got the pple mixed up..dont blame me.
you are saying that Dan, Gred and Den's dad had sex with Joyce right, but oni Dan and Grad case is comfirm. For Dan's dad case, it can be considered as a rape case. And it was not right of Dan to spread the new that he had sex with Joyce b4.
If a ger wanted to haf a nite with a person, if does not means that she is cheap, it does not means that she like you either. Dan is in the wrong here. And he even challanged Grad to do the same, cause he felt that Joyce is a loose ger, and wil had sex with almost every guy.
i hope i get these facts right.
i think wat u want to know now is how to console Joyce izzit? Or how u want to face all of them?
Something is certain, the friendship will not be the same anymore. Not that Joyce spoilt it, but Dan asked for it. HIs dad is the rapist, soli if i had to label this way, but he is the freaking rapist. Ask Joyce to report him and had him jailed. Ans Joyce to forget anout Den and Grad, dont care who is right or wrong. Ask her to lead her own life.
Joyce is the poor ger here, as wat i can see, but i hope u haf the ability to bring her out of this sh^it. ( not asking u to haf sex with her )
If I report his dad, what about Dan? His mom passed away and his dad is now his only kin. What will he think? My own father did terrible things to my love ones.
What about joyce? Known as having sex with a uncle or a father and son?
I ever thought of telling her to forget everyone and just leave the group. I discussed it with greg but I missed out something. She's same poly, same class as Dan and doing project together.
By the way Alan, Dan's cousin is the one who is spreading the news. -
well, single parent does not give the father to commit a crime and get away with it. if his dad ever goes to jail, the pple inside will sure screw his ass, all the pple, including hardcore murderer, dont like rapist. cause they pray upon the helpless.best is ask Joyce to break the news to Dan, to say if his dad did haf sex with her. if she want to keep it to herself, no one can help her.Originally posted by iori8888:Something like that. If I report his dad, what about Dan?
His mom passed away and his dad is now his only kin. What about joyce? Known as having sex with a uncle or a father and son? I ever thought of telling her to forget everyone and just leave the group. I discussed it with greg but I missed out something. She's same poly, same class as Dan and doing project together.
as Joyce is doing the same project with Gred, that is something cannot be changed...but it wont last forever...i do feel that Gred is a better person than Dan. She can try to act as if nothing had happen, all as friends, Dan's dad gain a free fcuk, or just tell the truth out.
I would rather her to ignore Dan, and Gred, except for project time. the rest just stay away from them. or let gred decide that if Dan doings is correct anot...if he treasure frendship more than justice on Joyce, than too bad. Joyce, either way, will be hurt.
1 is to keep all to herself
2 is to tell it all out.
both way hurts her., let her decide.. -
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One more thing, we are all afraid of his dad. He is respected because at his time because of his excellent in fighting. He's good because he learn "W......". I'm not going to mention what he learnt because it will spoil the art school's name. The point here is he know all the big gangster all over the place. If we offend him, we will be chopped!
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Joyce had to live for herself, not for thr friendship of Dan and Gred, not for the r/s of Dan and his dad. 10 years down the road, all these will not seem so important, all might forget her as well, so y bother to consider about them, when she is not the one who do the wrong thing.
Joyce is confused, open her up, let her see new light, support her if u need to, encourage her, and keep her away from Dan's dad again...cause i got a feeling that his dad wil ask her for sex again, if he did had sex with her b4. A MUST, let dan know about his Dad, he has the right to know. -
i donno wat u toking...but although the police in singapore is useless, but is enough to put him behind bar...the fact pls..DID HIS DAD RAPE JOYCE?Originally posted by iori8888:One more thing, we are all afraid of his dad. he is respected because at his time, he is excellent in fighting. He's good because he learn "!@#$%". I'm not going to mention what he learnt because it will spoil the art school's name. If we offend him, we will be chopped!
no? than no need to do anything liao.
YES? throw the bastard to jail.
ask Joyce for the truth -
I hinted to him before. But heÂ’s like you worry what? HeÂ’s with my father. Then I said I only trust my friends. Then he said donÂ’t be ridiculous lar, adults are more sensible than us. Then I said if anything happen to her when you are around I first one come and find you. Then he thought I like her. He said you her who? Guardian huh?
Something important here. I do not know what Joyce and his dad do together because she refuses to tell me. These are only what I presume. I canÂ’t do anything unless she really tells me.
We have no prove too. In the Law, if you are raped, you are not suppose to change and bath. That will remove the evidence. And if itÂ’s a threaten, and she did not resist at that time, we will have no case.
Seems like a die die situration.
By the way IF it's time to end this, how to delete this forum? -
Originally posted by De|usi0n:well, single parent does not give the father to commit a crime and get away with it. if his dad ever goes to jail, the pple inside will sure screw his ass, all the pple, including hardcore murderer, dont like rapist. cause they pray upon the helpless.best is ask Joyce to break the news to Dan, to say if his dad did haf sex with her. if she want to keep it to herself, no one can help her.
as Joyce is doing the same project with Gred, that is something cannot be changed...but it wont last forever...i do feel that Gred is a better person than Dan. She can try to act as if nothing had happen, all as friends, Dan's dad gain a free fcuk, or just tell the truth out.
I would rather her to ignore Dan, and Gred, except for project time. the rest just stay away from them. or let gred decide that if Dan doings is correct anot...if he treasure frendship more than justice on Joyce, than too bad. Joyce, either way, will be hurt.
1 is to keep all to herself
2 is to tell it all out.
both way hurts her., let her decide..
this story very very confusing leh.. i almost cant understand what you writing.. becos some names i guess you yourself also mixed up.. Like one sentence "Dan and joyce try to stop Dan"?? huh?? you mean try to stop Dan's father right?? If i'm not wrong.. Next time use paragraphing easier for us to read..
I think delusion oso got the name mixed up.. hahaa Is dan and joyce same class doing same project.. Not greg... I guess after all reading your post.. the nerves in the brain all tangle up liao..
ANyway i reply you tmr.. cos now too late liao... okok?? and as for the post.. only moderator can del or close the topic.. Don't worry ok??
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Okay corrected that part. Still got what should change tell me.
I really mix up a little bit cause i change all the A,G,D,DD to fake names then cork up. 1 real name actually leak out. -
i tink joyce quite stupid......................she is the victim....
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At first I thought that we had fallen in her traps. Thinking that she played with my friends and led them to this state. I thought she was the mastermind of driving my friends crazy.Originally posted by Xiao Long Nu:i tink joyce quite stupid......................she is the victim....
But after knowing her, I realise that it's because she is way too kind hearted that's why this thing was draging so long. She always thing about people's problem, how people feel first, then put her own problem last. -
Finally, I see the story and how this story evolve into such a lame scene and let me tell you this frankly - this whole damn thing is because of a girl, who is not only immature, but rather foolish. Let me do an analysis for you and I am sorry, but I feel that the heat of furiousness is brewing - I will be frank and firm.
'Dan and Joyce have sex and was never gf/bf' - this statement already spoke much of Joyce's character and I wouldn't elaborate any further.
'Then they invite Joyce over to Greg's house. When Dan's sleeping, Greg and Joyce fell in love or something. Then they did something close to sex. ' - This statement further confirm my above comment. You said Joyce was so aborable everyone sees her likes her, and I don't understand why she would be so easy with herself. Well, in the end, its all boils down your own childhood psychology and karmic relations.
'The next few days Greg and Joyce have been meeting each otherÂ’s and they had sex. Greg wants to tell Dan about it but did not know how.' - from here, a third confirmation of Joyce easy nature and one new point: Greg is such poor friends. Seriously speaking, would anyone fark their own good friend's (13 years eh?) potential gf, crush, or gf? If so, Dan needs to look at him from other angles. I don't believe in years of friendship = better as it ages. I believe in how the friend conduct himself with him.
The reason why Greg would claim that Joyce bj him is because of men ego. I was in a guy school for 10 years and understand every single bit of that part. All part of guys talk.
Alan and Dan's daddy is such an extra. Seriously speaking - what the hell does it got to do with them. People always try to get involve in one another's relationship problem and ended up laming this whole issue.
And I don't believe this: After so much happening, all she was crying about is that Gerg and Dan's friendship is falling because of her and she felt that she was a b|tch because of that. OH MY GOD! Didn't she realise that the ROOT of the problem was because she was so farking easy with herself? If I was her, I would slap the hell out of Gerg and destory all contacts with him. Its ok when one is easy with her body (if she was the willing party) - but integrity, one has to protect.
'Dan's dad ask Joyce to go to their house for drinking' - obviously, even in my preception something was wrong and his dad's character & motive leave much room for questioning. As a friend, how can you even leave her in a lurch and left for tution? You must bring her out too! Isn't she your friend too?
This scenario - has come so complicated is of lust. She(4) zhi(4) tou(2) shang(4) yi(4) ba(3) dao(1). (Direct translation: Lust is like knife hanging above head.)
Advice?
She is the source and root of all problem: She cannot be use to solve this crisis. She needs to avoid all these people. Before avoiding - she must either write a letter explaining everything to Dan and Gerg about her decision OR meet them (IN PUBLIC PLACES AND NOT IN EACH OTHER HOUSE FOR GOD SAKE - Oh no, I am screaming because she is so naive.) and spoke to them (not together, but as individuals)
You as a friend, you have to watch over her and MAKE sure she don't go over to their houses and especially any form of meeting for Dan's daddy. And do you know that all these happening is sufficient for you to dial 999 and scream rape at the Dan's dad face if our preception of his motive is true? Of course, she didn't say a word about it and therefore no point to dial either.
She hope that the both of them can patch back their friendship? Can... but she must disappear because her appearance will bound to trigger memories and resentment. Take action as soon as possible - use all woman's tactics of avoiding - I am sure she will know how.
P.S: The profit from a girl is often an expense of a friendship.... - CloUdiSm -
Cheers -
“The next few days Greg and Joyce have been meeting each other’s and they had sex. Greg wants to tell Dan about it but did not know how.' - from here, a third confirmation of Joyce easy nature and one new point: Greg is such poor friends. Seriously speaking, would anyone fark their own good friend's (13 years eh?) potential gf, crush, or gf? If so, Dan needs to look at him from other angles. I don't believe in years of friendship = better as it ages. I believe in how the friend conduct himself with him.”
Greg fark her because during that time when she doesnÂ’t contact us, Dan did went to find Ktv girls for extra servicesÂ… And what GregÂ’s thinking is that if you like this person would you go and do this type of things.
By the way, Joyce was never Dan's girlfriend and at that time, he doesn't really show that he like her. It is when Alan and his Dad know about this, I don't know how; they manage to make him think that Joyce is his girl.
And I don't believe this: After so much happening, all she was crying about is that Gerg and Dan's friendship is falling because of her and she felt that she was a b|tch because of that. OH MY GOD! Didn't she realise that the ROOT of the problem was because she was so farking easy with herself? If I was her, I would slap the hell out of Gerg and destory all contacts with him. Its ok when one is easy with her body (if she was the willing party) - but integrity, one has to protect.
I scolded Joyce before, but she told me this: “You can’t put all the blame on me lor. For girls they don’t get as horny as guys lor. It’s only when guys touch that part then we will what one lor.”
Well, I don’t know. I’m not a girl… I can’t say anything for that. Then she also defended, “Dan also not my stead lor. I’m not attach also lor. Why can’t I have sex with Gerg? Why must I be under his control?”
Well actually I don't think she's cheap or what lar. These things happen in monthÂ’s lor. Maybe at that time she break with the boyfriend that time very sad, then Dan comfort her and make use of the situation...
Greg's a Scorpio... even his horoscope says that he a dating master... hard to resist. But this time I think He's serious. He's had only done so much for a girl before in the past. He makes a card, which can pop up when opened, for her. I had never seen him like this before in the past. He usually flirts.
I asked Dan before, “If you really like her why did you tell Greg can fark fark lor all this?” But this is what he tells me, “You know Greg one lor, he will always disturb me when I am serious with girl one lor. I don’t want to be disturbed by him that’s why I say those words one lor. (We used to say never be serious with girl, will spoil relationship and burn yourself.) You know I don’t mean it one lor. I just say it for face only lor.”
I also scolded Greg before but this is what he tells me, “It takes two hands to clap lor. If she doesn’t let me do anything, I also cannot force her one what. I tell you, Dan doesn’t like Joyce one, he just want to snatch with me only lor. You tell me lar, if you like someone, will you still go and “poo charbo”?” -
Dan's dad ask Joyce to go to their house for drinking' - obviously, even in my preception something was wrong and his dad's character & motive leave much room for questioning. As a friend, how can you even leave her in a lurch and left for tution? You must bring her out too! Isn't she your friend too?
How the fark I know? At that time IÂ’m still like only know her for not long lor. Don't know if she's talking rubbish or not lor. Because when I was there, everything seems normal. The father watch soccer with friend and DanÂ’s cousin. At that time I'm still like don't really trust her.