Please give me some good advise!
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She is the source and root of all problem: She cannot be use to solve this crisis. She needs to avoid all these people. Before avoiding - she must either write a letter explaining everything to Dan and Gerg about her decision OR meet them (IN PUBLIC PLACES AND NOT IN EACH OTHER HOUSE FOR GOD SAKE - Oh no, I am screaming because she is so naive.) and spoke to them (not together, but as individuals)
You as a friend, you have to watch over her and MAKE sure she don't go over to their houses and especially any form of meeting for Dan's daddy. And do you know that all these happening is sufficient for you to dial 999 and scream rape at the Dan's dad face if our preception of his motive is true? Of course, she didn't say a word about it and therefore no point to dial either.
It's very hard for her not to meet them. As I say she's too softhearted, so soft that IF I say things like, “You never go out with me today... I felt so lonely.” She will feel so bad till she want to cry then go out with you whole day, paying everything for you and apologies the whole day! Imagine, if they say things like, “I really miss you all this.” She’ll be melted. Some more same class as Dan. If he asked why avoid me, do you know how much pain I’m getting when I don’t see you all this, she will sure go. She can even try to forget what his dad done to her (I don’t know what); I really don’t know how to help. I can’t be 24hours with her. -
i wash my hand off this thing...watever the case, the ger is not 'zhi ai' at all, and the guys are all backstabbing friends..gd luck
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I am so utterly disgusted by how she could reply you. Let me ask you one question: How old are all these people? My advice is to wash your hands on her unless you are her good friends. Because:
I) In the first place, her personal valves are in the bins. She couldn't see that the problem in this damn issue is because she is so easy with herself. Woman that bu zi ai (self love) will never find a man who loves her truely, because such woman ain't worthy of such man's love (Psychological explaination - I getting to pissed to type it down.)
“You can’t put all the blame on me lor. For girls they don’t get as horny as guys lor. It’s only when guys touch that part then we will what one lor.” - You know, when woman come sleeping with guys and come up with REALLY poor excuses like this: it really speaks volumes of their moral and social ethics and it goes way down like a plunging plane.
I’m not attach also lor. Why can’t I have sex with Gerg? Why must I be under his control?” - WHY CAN'T SHE SLEEP WITH GERG? Of course she can... *ahem* cheap *ahem *wh0re*. Come on, Iori let me ask you something very frankly: You do respect woman whom you pick from the bar, etc? Respect as in the way you give to your TRUE LOVE - the girl you loved most in your life (No neccessary Gf). HELL NO RIGHT?
You think any girl next door will go around sleeping with other guys and ask WHY they can't? Its their life and they have all the right too, well, since I am analysising this situation for you - You have to understand this point: The cause of this whole issue is because she is so easy with herself (Repeating for a thousand times and still repeating.)
I asked Dan before, “If you really like her why did you tell Greg can fark fark lor all this?” But this is what he tells me, “You know Greg one lor, he will always disturb me when I am serious with girl one lor. I don’t want to be disturbed by him that’s why I say those words one lor. (We used to say never be serious with girl, will spoil relationship and burn yourself.) You know I don’t mean it one lor. I just say it for face only lor.”
I also scolded Greg before but this is what he tells me, “It takes two hands to clap lor. If she doesn’t let me do anything, I also cannot force her one what. I tell you, Dan doesn’t like Joyce one, he just want to snatch with me only lor. You tell me lar, if you like someone, will you still go and “poo charbo”?”
Lame... lame and so lame. Iori, one warning for you, you will do better without them man.
And the part of her softhearted thing: she wants to listen all the sweet talks they do to get her to bed, etc - let her. Iori you have done enough as a friend and the problem lies within her. My warning and caution for you is that Dan and Gerg are poor friends -if possible always keep an eye about them. As for Joyce, do what you can and after you did what you can and she is still like that (I don't want to explain what-with-the-like-that) - LEAVE HER and let her be.
Experience will be her best teacher and True love will be a myth to her.
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Btw: You only know her not long? Forget about trying to know her more anyway. This girl doesn't deserve your sympathy and your effort to help - why help someone who ruins themselves? Understand why ain't people forth coming with analysis about this situation? Because: she doesn't deserve it.
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AlrightÂ… I got your views. This thing is actually more complicated than what you seeÂ… thereÂ’s a lot more that I didnÂ’t tellÂ… I have my reasons for not tellingÂ… anyway, there donÂ’t seems to be much solution to this anywayÂ… LetÂ’s just end this topicÂ… Even the thought of it is sadÂ…
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erm...nothing constructive here...just to correct something...
u noe hor....u shld use "advice" instead of "advise"
because:
advise - to be used like when u r advising someone...
advice - is when people give u advice lor....dunno how to explain...4got about the verb and noun thing....paiseh...angmo not very good -
I have wrote out one whole chuck of comments on this post.. but then i decide not to post and erase it totally..
I read what Yun has written.. I think you really need to consider his points..
I REALLY see no point in you trying to help someone who doesn't even deserve anything from you.. She don't even think that what she did was wrong and still get on with it.. All she know is that she spoils the 13 years of friendship between Dan and Greg...
13 years leh... Becos of this flirtatious girl, they had their friendship turn sour... (sorry dun mean to offend her using such word, but i guess i cant think of any "nicest" word they describe her)
You know it yourself.. You dunno her well enough.. And you only know her for how long?? You have already done your part as a friend.. What you need to advice her you already told her.. But did she ever think about what you say??
You don't that she's cheap then what do you think of her?? Innocent? Naive? Or what? Think about it.. A girl who goes around and fark around with any guy she knows.. How would you feel towards her?? Pathetic?? NO!!!
I really dunno what to say.. She doesnt listen and doesn't learn from her mistakes.. there's nothin else you can do.. You are not her... She wants to ruin her life like that.. no one can help her except HERSELF!! It's her life.. She wants to continue like that let her be.. No matter how much you talk to her about it.. And she still "ZHI MI BU WU" that's the end of her..
Time will tell everything...
*sorry if i sound rather harsh on my words or offended you...
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I am sure regardless of what you have kept from posting, I am 109.6% sure that those information ain't enough to excuse herself from her behavior and character because simply: there ain't any one in the first place.Originally posted by iori8888:AlrightÂ… I got your views. This thing is actually more complicated than what you seeÂ… thereÂ’s a lot more that I didnÂ’t tellÂ… I have my reasons for not tellingÂ… anyway, there donÂ’t seems to be much solution to this anywayÂ… LetÂ’s just end this topicÂ… Even the thought of it is sadÂ…
Of course you could end this topic if you wish, since you are the one who posted this topic and seek for views. I am telling you directly on a unbiased, neutral analysis according to WHAT you posted from their conversation, the WAY their speak and the situations itself.
Its ok if you don't know how to reply me at all because my views has its firm quality stand - your topic states 'give some good advice' and I feel its useless if I post something ain't genuine and weak because this problem is indeed a problematic issue.
Last but not least and once again: Do what you can within your means.
Cheers -
ahahhhaa.. actually no need to be so exact.. ppl knows what you trying to say.. is jus like the word "Nowadays" there is not such word exist.. but we still use it.. ahahha... well, We're not having english lessons here...Originally posted by bratpig:erm...nothing constructive here...just to correct something...
u noe hor....u shld use "advice" instead of "advise"
because:
advise - to be used like when u r advising someone...
advice - is when people give u advice lor....dunno how to explain...4got about the verb and noun thing....paiseh...angmo not very good
But anyway thanks for pinpointing out!! hehehhee...
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Dan is now not very close to me anymore because of some words he said. Joyce tell me this, “Dan don’t want to contact you people any more… he said that it brings him pain.” Then I said, “What does it got to do with me?” She replied, “He say you are like siding Greg more than him.” Yes, I am closer to Greg than Dan. Yes, I am biased. But I’m already doing my best to be fair to all! He can because of this matter, don’t want me as a friend anymore, not including his distrust in me as a friend. I don’t think I should tolerate such things.Originally posted by Yunhaier:Lame... lame and so lame. Iori, one warning for you, you will do better without them man.
And the part of her softhearted thing: she wants to listen all the sweet talks they do to get her to bed, etc - let her. Iori you have done enough as a friend and the problem lies within her. My warning and caution for you is that Dan and Gerg are poor friends -if possible always keep an eye about them. As for Joyce, do what you can and after you did what you can and she is still like that (I don't want to explain what-with-the-like-that) - LEAVE HER and let her be.
As for Greg, I will not leave him. So far he had not attacked me or stab me in the back before. Joyce… I usually choose me friend and I’ve accepted her as a friend… I will not take back my words or ignore her unless, she do something bad to me. I believe she have her reasons and pain… If she’s a b|tch and he’s a basta®d, then they are my b|tch and basta®d friends.
Once a friend, forever a friend, I will keep it in that way unless they stab me in the back. I accept what they are, forgive what they had done, accept their opinions and views, and go through their pain with them, defend the negatives way people look at them because I feel for them, never asking for much in returnÂ… I may be a fool but at least in this way, I didnÂ’t let anyone down. This is the way I make friends and these are how important friends are to me.
WellÂ… now, both of them are my only true friends. Maybe that is why I donÂ’t want to lose them. ItÂ’s hard to find friends, who will really take you as friendsÂ… In the past, I had experience them, the girl friends will treat me good but actually, they treat me like this for the liking and love. The guy friends will treat you good but actually, they treat me like this just for the fun and company. They back stab when they had found others, they gossip when you are not aroundÂ… even my birthday, when I think for them, booking a restaurant for them, asking them to tell me in advance if they canÂ’t come but yet, they give lame excuse. Oh I canÂ’t find the placeÂ… bla bla bla.
All I ask is just “be true to friends,” but they can’t do it. They will look at people at colour, wealth, studies, looks and status… I just hope now is that Greg and Joyce are not people like this. As for her, I’ll try to do as much as I can. -
Thanks for telling. I didn't know that... at least I learn something new now.Originally posted by bratpig:erm...nothing constructive here...just to correct something...
u noe hor....u shld use "advice" instead of "advise"
because:
advise - to be used like when u r advising someone...
advice - is when people give u advice lor....dunno how to explain...4got about the verb and noun thing....paiseh...angmo not very good -
Damn! I type an essay and my internet explorer just shut down!Originally posted by iori8888:Dan is now not very close to me anymore because of some words he said. Joyce tell me this, “Dan don’t want to contact you people any more… he said that it brings him pain.” Then I said, “What does it got to do with me?” She replied, “He say you are like siding Greg more than him.” Yes, I am closer to Greg than Dan. Yes, I am biased. But I’m already doing my best to be fair to all! He can because of this matter, don’t want me as a friend anymore, not including his distrust in me as a friend. I don’t think I should tolerate such things.
As for Greg, I will not leave him. So far he had not attacked me or stab me in the back before. Joyce… I usually choose me friend and I’ve accepted her as a friend… I will not take back my words or ignore her unless, she do something bad to me. I believe she have her reasons and pain… If she’s a b|tch and he’s a basta®d, then they are my b|tch and basta®d friends.
Once a friend, forever a friend, I will keep it in that way unless they stab me in the back. I accept what they are, forgive what they had done, accept their opinions and views, and go through their pain with them, defend the negatives way people look at them because I feel for them, never asking for much in returnÂ… I may be a fool but at least in this way, I didnÂ’t let anyone down. This is the way I make friends and these are how important friends are to me.
WellÂ… now, both of them are my only true friends. Maybe that is why I donÂ’t want to lose them. ItÂ’s hard to find friends, who will really take you as friendsÂ… In the past, I had experience them, the girl friends will treat me good but actually, they treat me like this for the liking and love. The guy friends will treat you good but actually, they treat me like this just for the fun and company. They back stab when they had found others, they gossip when you are not aroundÂ… even my birthday, when I think for them, booking a restaurant for them, asking them to tell me in advance if they canÂ’t come but yet, they give lame excuse. Oh I canÂ’t find the placeÂ… bla bla bla.
All I ask is just “be true to friends,” but they can’t do it. They will look at people at colour, wealth, studies, looks and status… I just hope now is that Greg and Joyce are not people like this. As for her, I’ll try to do as much as I can.
OK anyway, you are indeed a good friend and I respect your views according to what you have mentioned above regarding friends. I am not saying that you must give up this friendship, rather to take a second look and to see things more than the surface when it comes to fishy issues around them. You are a good friend and fiercely loyal, but not neccessary they are to you.If she’s a b|tch and he’s a basta®d, then they are my b|tch and basta®d friends.
*Claps* However, I have a modification to it. If they are my good friends, I will change them and if over the time I failed to, most likely this good friendship will revert to causal friends. It takes one to know one; I will not stand by and just accept plainly - going by my nature, probably I will nag them to death.
One piece of advice: You can't seek for true friends - it comes to you naturally. Initiative is meaningless here, while fate and destiny plays an important role here. Exactly like true love.
P.S: I know you understand my previous posts about this situations, just that this you have to defend your friends when it comes to people snarling words to question their intergrity. The thing about friends is not just accepting them for who they are - but also to guide and if possible change their negative traits. You can't defend someone who is really the cause of this trouble can you? Because you just have no stand to. Don't be just a honest woodhead - be witty and adaptable. Not because of them, but for your future, so that you wouldn't get cheated and taken advantage of your good nature.
P.S: Are you a Taurus, Leo, Aquarius or Scorpio?
Cheers -
I realised hor you always ask ppl about the horoscope sign.. and among the signs.. LEO always appear in whatever post you ask!! ahhahha.. Feel that they are like you ah?Originally posted by Yunhaier:*Claps* However, I have a modification to it. If they are my good friends, I will change them and if over the time I failed to, most likely this good friendship will revert to causal friends. It takes one to know one; I will not stand by and just accept plainly - going by my nature, probably I will nag them to death.
One piece of advice: You can't seek for true friends - it comes to you naturally. Initiative is meaningless here, while fate and destiny plays an important role here. Exactly like true love.
P.S: I know you understand my previous posts about this situations, just that this you have to defend your friends when it comes to people snarling words to question their intergrity. The thing about friends is not just accepting them for who they are - but also to guide and if possible change their negative traits. You can't defend someone who is really the cause of this trouble can you? Because you just have no stand to. Don't be just a honest woodhead - be witty and adaptable. Not because of them, but for your future, so that you wouldn't get cheated and taken advantage of your good nature.
P.S: Are you a Taurus, Leo, Aquarius or Scorpio?
Cheers -
No lar! Just speculating.Originally posted by SunRisE:I realised hor you always ask ppl about the horoscope sign.. and among the signs.. LEO always appear in whatever post you ask!! ahhahha.. Feel that they are like you ah? -
SagittariusÂ…Originally posted by Yunhaier:*Claps* However, I have a modification to it. If they are my good friends, I will change them and if over the time I failed to, most likely this good friendship will revert to causal friends. It takes one to know one; I will not stand by and just accept plainly - going by my nature, probably I will nag them to death.
One piece of advice: You can't seek for true friends - it comes to you naturally. Initiative is meaningless here, while fate and destiny plays an important role here. Exactly like true love.
P.S: I know you understand my previous posts about this situations, just that this you have to defend your friends when it comes to people snarling words to question their intergrity. The thing about friends is not just accepting them for who they are - but also to guide and if possible change their negative traits. You can't defend someone who is really the cause of this trouble can you? Because you just have no stand to. Don't be just a honest woodhead - be witty and adaptable. Not because of them, but for your future, so that you wouldn't get cheated and taken advantage of your good nature.
P.S: Are you a Taurus, Leo, Aquarius or Scorpio?
Cheers
Now I sounds like a victimÂ…
I donÂ’t know LarÂ… like this cannotÂ… like that cannotÂ… tell me donÂ’t do anythingÂ… I feel quite sh|tty lorÂ… this kind of things happen I cannot do anythingÂ… -
WOW
Im reading so much & thks for the 'entertainment' but watz ur qn or the help u need?
1st of all, I cant sympathize with Joyce, not at all. Sleeping ard with fenz & defending her acts in tt manner.....well, I cant agree. Tt's her desserts. I supposed u r not in love with her, r u?!?
As for Alan, Im puzzled, he's the big-mouth but not involved in the piture after all the shit tt had happened.....bravo man.
Greg & Dan, let them fight over Joyce lor. I dun see watz the attraction besides an easy target
Tt gangster dad ah, u r not even sure wat he did to Joyce, so dun speculate so much. Maybe juz a threaten inside the room with Joyce?
Then u leh. Being loyal to frenz is gd but only when they want help & r able to help themselves also. Eveyone heckcare already, wat do u wanna do ah? -
I think Leo is considered as a sign of loyal friend...Originally posted by SunRisE:I realised hor you always ask ppl about the horoscope sign.. and among the signs.. LEO always appear in whatever post you ask!! ahhahha.. Feel that they are like you ah? -
from what i hear from u.. i think she just a bitch.... sleep with 1 guy aft another.. y shd u help this kinda girl?.. maybe u just bed her she wld be fine loh... pls don't tell me she goes to bed with them becuase she loved them...... if tt's the case she seems to love so many guys in such a short time.... anyway she's not a good girl, not even near.... let her choose her life as she wishes..... pity her cuase she got rape?.... if it's a good n nice girl got rape i wld pity... but nope..not her..... anyway tt guy's father is a bastard too....
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Erm... did the back part of this disappeared.... they write 42 replies but I only see 22... and those I just read and replied few hours agoÂ… I donÂ’t see themÂ…
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Hmm... funny... now i don't even see the thing i just posted... I only see the max of page 2 and Yunhaier's yesterday reply...
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the main water is the alan..
if he dun say anything to dan's dad..then dan's dad wouldn't pressure dan to chase back joyce...
so i think joyce is the root..
and alan is the water..(kinda backstabber)
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hmmm.. loyal friend? dun think so... but then from what iori posted and what he says.. doesn't sound like a LEO at all.. BUt well after all he's a saggitarusOriginally posted by Imperfect:I think Leo is considered as a sign of loyal friend... -
hmm..
i think tt alan hv a big-mouth..which will really bring harms to others..rumours kill..tt's how "ruan lin yu" (think i spell it correct..)died..well..if it's not yr business..keep yr mouth shut..watever u hear..juz let the other side of yr ear cum out loh..juz like when yr mom nag..nag..nag at you..listen one side..the other side let those words flow loh..
as for joyce..well..she shouldn't be Zzz ard..and when things happened..giving lame excuses..after pleasures..den still wanna to hv a good reputation? tt's hard man~dun think she's a victim..if she's really one..why she agreed to hv sex wif Dan and petting wif Gerg? And there's no prove tt she's being force to hv sex wif Dan's dad..remember..rumours kill..so get the truth before u say anything..be fair to them..
as for Dan..well.."ear too light"..listen to wat Alan and his Dad's words..den angry for wat? aiyo..in the first place not BGR wif Joyce mah..wat for angry? bcoz of "face"? hmm..worth it?
well..Gerg..next time think carefully before u say anything..play wif yr words..the way u put it..well..not nice loh..
triple D..( Dear Dan's Dad )..dunno wat to say abt u..well..suspected of raping a girl..well..should noe mah..rumours kill..u might wanna to hv a private conversation wif joyce..but why ask her over to hv a drink den go to a room? no matter..can't conclude anything..no prove yet mah..
as for u..sweetie..dun think too much..as long as u think u'd done yr part..tt's enough..u did gave them advice..concern..if they dun care abt u..well..put a stop loh..they can't blame u in the future..so..dun brood over it..cheer~ remember..u juz THINK tt triple D might hv sex wif joyce..ONLY think..so..dun be biased in watever u say and think..dun jump to conclusion..remember..rumours kill..dun be another Alan.. O=) -
She told Greg that what his Dan's dad done to her, but he say she want him to keep it a secret so he didn't tell me. He only said, "I just want to let you know she tell me already, but I'm not surppose to tell you. All I can say is he's a real bastard. Don't ask me anymore."Originally posted by Angel^_^:And there's no prove tt she's being force to hv sex wif Dan's dad..remember..rumours kill..so get the truth before u say anything..be fair to them.. -
Hi...im back at ur thread, hoping tt my reply wont be deleted away againOriginally posted by iori8888:She told Greg that what his Dan's dad done to her, but he say she want him to keep it a secret so he didn't tell me. He only said, "I just want to let you know she tell me already, but I'm not surppose to tell you. All I can say is he's a real bastard. Don't ask me anymore."
Watz ur main concern now? To solve wat & to seek wat can of advice?