Nudity on our fair shores
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What do you guys think? refer to the article in the newpaper (130204) page 4.
who's really offended by nudity? shouldn't that be left up to the choice of the person who owns the body? if there are those that get offended, i'm sure they can shift somewhere else riight?
moderators, please dun remove this topic.. i know it should belong in the bar or chit chat.. but i dun think the ppl in those two forums are mature enough to hold a proper conversation about this. -
you might wanna review your points.
ever consider about flashers (those perverts who go around flashing their dicks)?
its their bodies, but does that mean they can go around showing their private parts to everyone?
i personally aint too offended by what's reported in the paper, but i thought tourist should respect the country's norm and culture, not to mention the laws.
there are still conservative people and children living in this country. -
havent read the article but yes, maybe the younger generation here will be more open to accept nudity. not all of course...
but stil, i guess sg as a whole still aint ready for it... -
Personally, I am okay with it. But I don't think Singapore as a whole can tolerate such behaviours yet. Beside, it is against the law.
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yea.. i agree flashers shouldn't be allowed to walk about freely.. thats why maybe the govt could allocate areas that are not so public for those who wanna walk around nude. u get my point don't u? that way, when ppl go to that area, they'd be expecting nudity therefore have no grounds to complain abt it..Originally posted by www:you might wanna review your points.
ever consider about flashers (those perverts who go around flashing their dicks)?
its their bodies, but does that mean they can go around showing their private parts to everyone?
i personally aint too offended by what's reported in the paper, but i thought tourist should respect the country's norm and culture, not to mention the laws.
there are still conservative people and children living in this country.
and didja read carefully? they weren't familiar with the laws in singapore. can't blame them.. we seem to be more liberal then our asean neighbours yet they allow nudity...
besides.. if u respect the europeans' culture of nude suntanning or going to spas(co-ed)nude, then shouldn't u join in? i dun think its a case of respecting the culture... i think its more on the perspective of singaporeans... -
when in rome, do as the romans do
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coz ur prior point was pretty general and involved a rather wide scope, thus i assumed u meant "being nude, regardless of venue, is one's right".Originally posted by Farmer Brown:yea.. i agree flashers shouldn't be allowed to walk about freely.. thats why maybe the govt could allocate areas that are not so public for those who wanna walk around nude. u get my point don't u? that way, when ppl go to that area, they'd be expecting nudity therefore have no grounds to complain abt it..
and didja read carefully? they weren't familiar with the laws in singapore. can't blame them.. we seem to be more liberal then our asean neighbours yet they allow nudity...
besides.. if u respect the europeans' culture of nude suntanning or going to spas(co-ed)nude, then shouldn't u join in? i dun think its a case of respecting the culture... i think its more on the perspective of singaporeans...
since u now pinpoint on this particular aspect, let's not argue on that further.
in most so-called liberal countries, such as america, flashing urself is not something very pleasant.
recall janet jackson's incident about her boob being exposed on national telecast?
as such, i think i can safely say it is not a norm for one to show her boobs in public, yes?
if thats the case, dont u think these foreign tourists should have just ask before stripping herself?
instead of blaming how conversative our people are, these foreign tourists should have the faintest idea of politeness.
in return, try going to their countries and commit a crime and tell them that u aint familiar with the laws. u think they will let u off? -
x2...Originally posted by www:coz ur prior point was pretty general and involved a rather wide scope, thus i assumed u meant "being nude, regardless of venue, is one's right".
since u now pinpoint on this particular aspect, let's not argue on that further.
in most so-called liberal countries, such as america, flashing urself is not something very pleasant.
recall janet jackson's incident about her boob being exposed on national telecast?
as such, i think i can safely say it is not a norm for one to show her boobs in public, yes?
if thats the case, dont u think these foreign tourists should have just ask before stripping herself?
instead of blaming how conversative our people are, these foreign tourists should have the faintest idea of politeness.
in return, try going to their countries and commit a crime and tell them that u aint familiar with the laws. u think they will let u off?
before u go to a place... check it out first... learn of wat u can do and wat u cannot do... -
ok see...first of all. u did say crime. and crime is crime? an act considered criminal shouldn't be committed in the first place. maybe you meant committing an act that was considered criminal in that country which is not normally criminal anywhere else.Originally posted by www:coz ur prior point was pretty general and involved a rather wide scope, thus i assumed u meant "being nude, regardless of venue, is one's right".
since u now pinpoint on this particular aspect, let's not argue on that further.
in most so-called liberal countries, such as america, flashing urself is not something very pleasant.
recall janet jackson's incident about her boob being exposed on national telecast?
as such, i think i can safely say it is not a norm for one to show her boobs in public, yes?
if thats the case, dont u think these foreign tourists should have just ask before stripping herself?
instead of blaming how conversative our people are, these foreign tourists should have the faintest idea of politeness.
in return, try going to their countries and commit a crime and tell them that u aint familiar with the laws. u think they will let u off?
u did notice i was referring to things like sun tanning in the buff and not flashing. there is a big difference. first of all. i'm asking if singaporeans will be liberal enough to allow the government to designate an area in singapore, prob one that's more secluded, for nude enthusiats. i mean if they're gonna be more open minded towards homosexuality, i do suppose they can be open minded about nudity.
janet jackson's stunt is not at all related to what we are talking about. its more about her intent that people are speculating and being disgusted about. hey maybe she didn't want to do it intentionally. who knows? u have the facts? u interviewed her? she told you? i dun think so
so lets get back to the facts. are there people in singapore who would like to suntan in the buff? I don't know. but what i do know is that generally, the new generation is pretty okay with it. the two tourists did raise a few eyebrows but its not as if they were stoned to death by an anti nude mob.
all i'm asking is. are we ready to accept nudity?
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Hi Playboy Bunny,
Juz to discuss some pts, namely: Ur reference to the American public & the Janet Jackson incident.
Bear in mind tho, tt the US has a whole lotta XXX-rated sex tapes & R(A) movies.
There's a time & place for ev. thg. Janet Jackson created a hoo-haa, cosh Justin ripped off part of her top & exposed her breast @ wat may be a family event to many, wif children involved : )
RPOriginally posted by www:coz ur prior point was pretty general and involved a rather wide scope, thus i assumed u meant "being nude, regardless of venue, is one's right".
since u now pinpoint on this particular aspect, let's not argue on that further.
in most so-called liberal countries, such as america, flashing urself is not something very pleasant.
recall janet jackson's incident about her boob being exposed on national telecast?
as such, i think i can safely say it is not a norm for one to show her boobs in public, yes?
if thats the case, dont u think these foreign tourists should have just ask before stripping herself?
instead of blaming how conversative our people are, these foreign tourists should have the faintest idea of politeness.
in return, try going to their countries and commit a crime and tell them that u aint familiar with the laws. u think they will let u off? -
i wonder when they will legalise nudity in sg???
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U'll be the 1st @ the nudist beaches
RPOriginally posted by sgboy2004:i wonder when they will legalise nudity in sg??? -
actualli i find dat nude sunbathing is ok la.. probably where all the nude sunbather gather on 1 spot of the beach.. rather den spread all along the beach coz i tink singaporeans are nt dat open minded..
the 2 danish ger duno SG law mah so i guess its ok with it.. and perhaps lucky dey didnt get caught.. -
then the sales of binoculars will shoot skyhigh...Originally posted by WrX_STi:actualli i find dat nude sunbathing is ok la.. probably where all the nude sunbather gather on 1 spot of the beach.. rather den spread all along the beach coz i tink singaporeans are nt dat open minded..
the 2 danish ger duno SG law mah so i guess its ok with it.. and perhaps lucky dey didnt get caught..
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Nah uh... HUMSUP Lohs like SGBoy will be the 1st to line up to enter the nudist beach
RPOriginally posted by sgboy2004:then the sales of binoculars will shoot skyhigh... -
SGOriginally posted by Farmer Brown:What do you guys think? refer to the article in the newpaper (130204) page 4.
who's really offended by nudity? shouldn't that be left up to the choice of the person who owns the body? if there are those that get offended, i'm sure they can shift somewhere else riight?
moderators, please dun remove this topic.. i know it should belong in the bar or chit chat.. but i dun think the ppl in those two forums are mature enough to hold a proper conversation about this.
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i will cordon off the area and sell tickets for pple to enter to watchOriginally posted by RainbowPrincess:Nah uh... HUMSUP Lohs like SGBoy will be the 1st to line up to enter the nudist beach
RP -
the way things go, i dont think this argument will ends with a result, having each of us bearing a complete different point of view and mindset.
thus, i will cease here.
btw, my example of janet jackson is not used as a form of comparison, but more of using it as a basis whereby revealing one's boob in public could be offensive, even to the so-called most liberal country.
as such, it is a common sense that one should possesses second thought before display their assets to the public when in doubt, even when sunbathing is concerned. -
Yeah, I knew it
U certainly live up to ur reputation as a BUAYA
RPOriginally posted by sgboy2004:i will cordon off the area and sell tickets for pple to enter to watch -
Originally posted by www:
first of all. obviously u dun understand the notion of this thread. Janet Jackson's stunt was deplored and condemned NOT BECAUSE SHE BARED HER BOOB. but rather the low level to which she stooped to attract attention to her already failing career.
the way things go, i dont think this argument will ends with a result, having each of us bearing a complete different point of view and mindset.
thus, i will cease here.
btw, my example of janet jackson is not used as a form of comparison, but more of using it as a basis whereby revealing one's boob in public could be offensive, even to the so-called most liberal country.
as such, it is a common sense that one should possesses second thought before display their assets to the public [b]when in doubt, even when sunbathing is concerned.[/b]
it is NOT common sense that one should possess blahblahblah whatever u said as a result of Janet's stunt.
i don't think u understand at all what we are all talking about. even sgboy does.. u should be ashamed of yourself. IF the government dedicates a secluded beach for nude sunbathers, people who feel offended by nudity would not go there in the first place. If such people actually visit this nude beach, then they have nothing to complain about as they were told before hand it is a nude beach and should expect nudity therefore havin no reason to feel offended.
but sadly i have to agree with you there is no point trying to convince you as you don't really read into things. TSK ppl gettin offended by Janet's stunt just because they saw her boob. its people like you that would try to sue her if possible. -
*yawn*
hahahha. no need to resort in using such agitated and provoking approach to show your stand, kiddo. it doesnt work on me.
maybe i should summarise everything, facilitating people of your intellect to digest where we were driving at individually.
you were writing with an opinion that singaporeans are conservative and should be more opened up to nudity.
i was defending singaporeans from another aspect by saying tourists should learn to ask when in doubt. to claim that one doesnt know about the local culture and law system is just not good enough.
u were looking at what should be the solutions to this situation. i was debating on the fact that this situation shouldnt be there in the first place.
simple? clearcut enough?
next time, if you have poor ability in comprehending what others are trying to elaborate, feel free to ask, rather than using words like "i don't think u understand at all what we are all talking about."
u are a big boy now. learn to ask when in doubt, like those ang mohs who were sunbathing naked.
somemore can complain about the maturity of the people in chit chat forum leh. i think u are the one who needs to get a grip of yourself. -
So perhaps the both of u cld move onto COMMON grd?
Insisting on ur opinions, when both r actually on different plains isn't gonna solve anythg...
RPOriginally posted by www:
*yawn*
hahahha. no need to resort in using such agitated and provoking approach to show your stand, kiddo. it doesnt work on me.
maybe i should summarise everything, facilitating people of your intellect to digest where we were driving at individually.
[b]you were writing with an opinion that singaporeans are conservative and should be more opened up to nudity.
i was defending singaporeans from another aspect by saying tourists should learn to ask when in doubt. to claim that one doesnt know about the local culture and law system is just not good enough.
u were looking at what should be the solutions to this situation. i was debating on the fact that this situation shouldnt be there in the first place.
simple? clearcut enough?
next time, if you have poor ability in comprehending what others are trying to elaborate, feel free to ask, rather than using words like "i don't think u understand at all what we are all talking about."
u are a big boy now. learn to ask when in doubt, like those ang mohs who were sunbathing naked.
somemore can complain about the maturity of the people in chit chat forum leh. i think u are the one who needs to get a grip of yourself.[/b] -
Originally posted by www:
u just summed up your inablitiy to comprehend.. u said it yourself i was asking whether singaporeans were open to the concept of nudity. ie, nude beaches.. and then u go and defend singaporeans against tourists who wanted to sunbathe nude? the article was used as an introduction to a new notion. it isn't about how ang mohs or banglas should respect singapore laws. its about whether singaporeans are ready to accept nudity.
*yawn*
hahahha. no need to resort in using such agitated and provoking approach to show your stand, kiddo. it doesnt work on me.
maybe i should summarise everything, facilitating people of your intellect to digest where we were driving at individually.
[b]you were writing with an opinion that singaporeans are conservative and should be more opened up to nudity.
i was defending singaporeans from another aspect by saying tourists should learn to ask when in doubt. to claim that one doesnt know about the local culture and law system is just not good enough.
u were looking at what should be the solutions to this situation. i was debating on the fact that this situation shouldnt be there in the first place.
simple? clearcut enough?
next time, if you have poor ability in comprehending what others are trying to elaborate, feel free to ask, rather than using words like "i don't think u understand at all what we are all talking about."
u are a big boy now. learn to ask when in doubt, like those ang mohs who were sunbathing naked.
somemore can complain about the maturity of the people in chit chat forum leh. i think u are the one who needs to get a grip of yourself.[/b]
and this thread isn't about whether or not those ang moh's should have asked for your permission.
besides, u think its just the ang moh's that wanna sun tan in the buff? i think plenty of singaporeans out there are just as ready to do the same as their ang moh counterparts.
and intellect and maturity? u mean u know what they mean? wow...
u think janet jackson's act was outrageous because she flashed boob... who hasn't seen boob before? u?
while the whole world contemplates the REASONS behind her tasteless act, you are coming to terms with the sight of her breast. i think its u who should get a grip on yourself..
STEADY BOM PI PI AH!!! -
hehe.. appreciate rp's effort to be a peacemaker.
anyway, i apologise if i was too offensive, which i believe i was, as a countering measure.
this argument doesnt seems to get us anywhere and wont be fruitful at this pace and progress.
so let's put it to a rest.
my apology once again. hehe. -
*grinz* Thank u
Actually, there cld be intelligent discussion, if both of u were actually arguing from the SAME perspective
RPOriginally posted by www:hehe.. appreciate rp's effort to be a peacemaker.
anyway, i apologise if i was too offensive, which i believe i was, as a countering measure.
this argument doesnt seems to get us anywhere and wont be fruitful at this pace and progress.
so let's put it to a rest.
my apology once again. hehe.