singaporeans are racist
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no offence but this is the conclusion that i have come up with in last 30 days or so based on my recent experience with locals....i'm in singapore for quite sometime and i enjoyed the company of different people here in singapore like main land chinese, singaporean chinese, malays, indians, europeans. but today a lady in KFC pointed at me and called me "illiterate indian" .heheheheh i'm not an indian but i look like one and if i'm an illiterate then 90+% singaporeans are also illiterate considering my education (which is also from singapore).... incident was quite normal... i went to KFC to have a dinner with two other friends... we bought our meals but the girl at the counter forgot to give me spoon... i went back to counter to get one for me... and this lady in the queue shouted at me and asked me to queue up. i told her quite politely "lady i just need a spoon, i'm not going to buy something" but lady seemed unconvinced... and then girl at the counter gave me spoon and i was going back then that lady gave that remark... i was pissed off but i kept quite. it wasn't the end.. after that lady bought meal for her... she again shouted at me for not following the queue... and then i stood up and went to her and asked "lady is there any problem or did i say you something" listening that she walked away...... i don't see any problem with my behaviour not following the queue just to get a spoon from the counter as i have already bought the meal...... do you people think i was wrong. and this is usual practice in KFC and mcdonald to get the tissues, straws and remaining orders... i don't know whether she came to KFC for the first time or i was in different planet.
The second incident was in MRT. i politely asked a lady to give me the way as i wanted to get down at city hall. MRT was crowded and she was standing in the middle of the door. she refuesed to move and i was unable to get down.. i had to go to next step and the come back...the lady passed the comment "why you indians come to our place, you people don't know how to behave in MRT". again i don't see any misbehave and i was polite and i don't see any problem to ask a woman to give me way as i want to get down and she is standing in the middle..... -
*fallacy detected*
over-generalization of Singaporeans...
well, some of us are just downright rude... but thankfully they make up the majority of Singaporeans... NOT!
Just ignore those people and don't let them spoil your day 
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r u a singaporean too??Originally posted by I'm out there:no offence but this is the conclusion that i have come up with in last 30 days or so based on my recent experience with locals....i'm in singapore for quite sometime and i enjoyed the company of different people here in singapore like main land chinese, singaporean chinese, malays, indians, europeans. but today a lady in KFC pointed at me and called me "illiterate indian" .heheheheh i'm not an indian but i look like one and if i'm an illiterate then 90+% singaporeans are also illiterate considering my education (which is also from singapore).... incident was quite normal... i went to KFC to have a dinner with two other friends... we bought our meals but the girl at the counter forgot to give me spoon... i went back to counter to get one for me... and this lady in the queue shouted at me and asked me to queue up. i told her quite politely "lady i just need a spoon, i'm not going to buy something" but lady seemed unconvinced... and then girl at the counter gave me spoon and i was going back then that lady gave that remark... i was pissed off but i kept quite. it wasn't the end.. after that lady bought meal for her... she again shouted at me for not following the queue... and then i stood up and went to her and asked "lady is there any problem or did i say you something" listening that she walked away...... i don't see any problem with my behaviour not following the queue just to get a spoon from the counter as i have already bought the meal...... do you people think i was wrong. and this is usual practice in KFC and mcdonald to get the tissues, straws and remaining orders... i don't know whether she came to KFC for the first time or i was in different planet.
The second incident was in MRT. i politely asked a lady to give me the way as i wanted to get down at city hall. MRT was crowded and she was standing in the middle of the door. she refuesed to move and i was unable to get down.. i had to go to next step and the come back...the lady passed the comment "why you indians come to our place, you people don't know how to behave in MRT". again i don't see any misbehave and i was polite and i don't see any problem to ask a woman to give me way as i want to get down and she is standing in the middle.....
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"singaporeans"?, not all like tat la...
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i'll be so ashamed for whoever saying that to you...
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Frankly speaking , i think most of the shops in singapore have bad customer service. If you looks like a poor chap , they don't even bother to serve you. Regarding of your MRT incident , well.. not all of the singaporeans are racists. have you ever listen to our national anthem ? It goes like we the citizens of singapore , regardless of races , language or reglion... : )
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juz cos of 2 incidents it tells you everything bout singapore?Originally posted by I'm out there:no offence but this is the conclusion that i have come up with in last 30 days or so based on my recent experience with locals....i'm in singapore for quite sometime and i enjoyed the company of different people here in singapore like main land chinese, singaporean chinese, malays, indians, europeans. but today a lady in KFC pointed at me and called me "illiterate indian" .heheheheh i'm not an indian but i look like one and if i'm an illiterate then 90+% singaporeans are also illiterate considering my education (which is also from singapore).... incident was quite normal... i went to KFC to have a dinner with two other friends... we bought our meals but the girl at the counter forgot to give me spoon... i went back to counter to get one for me... and this lady in the queue shouted at me and asked me to queue up. i told her quite politely "lady i just need a spoon, i'm not going to buy something" but lady seemed unconvinced... and then girl at the counter gave me spoon and i was going back then that lady gave that remark... i was pissed off but i kept quite. it wasn't the end.. after that lady bought meal for her... she again shouted at me for not following the queue... and then i stood up and went to her and asked "lady is there any problem or did i say you something" listening that she walked away...... i don't see any problem with my behaviour not following the queue just to get a spoon from the counter as i have already bought the meal...... do you people think i was wrong. and this is usual practice in KFC and mcdonald to get the tissues, straws and remaining orders... i don't know whether she came to KFC for the first time or i was in different planet.
The second incident was in MRT. i politely asked a lady to give me the way as i wanted to get down at city hall. MRT was crowded and she was standing in the middle of the door. she refuesed to move and i was unable to get down.. i had to go to next step and the come back...the lady passed the comment "why you indians come to our place, you people don't know how to behave in MRT". again i don't see any misbehave and i was polite and i don't see any problem to ask a woman to give me way as i want to get down and she is standing in the middle.....
anyway...
first of all... don brag bout ur education status... instead i'm quite sad to know tat you received ur education in Singapore. Is there anyway tat you can get a refund? i'm nt saying tat my command of english is better than you...
anyway...
secondly both situations u encountered we need to consider lots of areas to... such as ur facial expressions... ur tone of voice... ur body language... etc... -
Thankfully, da racist Singaporeans are just da minority.. I hope..
Anyways, those self-centred aunties are like that.. It's an aunty thing.. Met a few before also.. If you think you did nothing wrong, and I think you didn't, just dun bother so much about them.. -
in all places there will sure be some racist people in it...
just like the bad and good guys...well...don't take it to heart...i think the one who said it also don't mean it lah... -
Mayb some aunty r lik tat. old liao thik they r the biggest lik tat, but i will say u R wrong to put the topic "singaporeans are racist" only, u should add in at least a question mark...no offence.
For at fast food place , i also kanna b4, i wan to take chilie sauce, den a cantonese old aunti(on offence hor) shout to me in canto nese say i dunno how to Q u ah...of cos to lan rite,i shouted back to her in hokkien, KNN, take chilie cannot issit,u got problem issit,den later i use a cantonese "ham ka chan" gv her...
~U must understand, some ppl already wait very long liao mah,den suddenly see some1 walk to te counter, of cos they may think u cutting the Q rite, so is a normal thing..get wat i mean, sometime i at the KFC, the counter stuff so slow, i also angry, let alone if some1 walk to te counter area, most of te ppl will think te same way.
If u wan to servive in singapore, have to be fierce, i feel singapore is see who got ball will win 1 lah.., lik another case, tat time top up te money in CPF to get $200, i in Q wait half an hour, den got 1 uncle behind me kay siao walk infront of me,i of cos shout at him in te CPF building at Jurong East,dunno how to line up is it....
Wat i'm telling you is tat, u should see the situation 1st b4 stating ur claimes of singaporeans R raciest.Well, y not this way, have u ever thought of y singaporeans dun lik some country ppl, its vice versal thing, every1 got their own likes & dislike,but not every1 is lik tat.
Jus lik me, i dun really lik indian kids (not all)running around carparks where i park,parents talking den children running around, they may get into accidents, got once, 2 children run below the slope of te carpark, i honk at them, den the father come, shouting at me say i wan to scare his children to death, (i install the airhorn kekekek), i got off car den say him back, ur farking child lik tat run, u as a farking father dunno how to see is it, i dun horn den do wat ah, bang them issit.Den the father reliese it was his fault,u see, when te man shout at me, it was te SPUR of te moment, but later he know wat happen. Really lar, mayb u can put urself in their position 1st lor.
Mayb u go put alot of tattoo, den u go take spoon sure no 1 will say u 1.lolx -
I agree that not all of them are.
But I was reading and defending indians, caucasians and every other race on this forum. Guess what happened? Been called s|ut, caucasian lover and everything you can imagine.
I read lots of threads.. my boyfriend was indian.. or from some other race. Guess what? Everyone (especially in another forum) jumps on board and starts saying they are 'diluting', 'polluting' the chinese race. HAHAH..
My response is.. yes.. they are racists. My friend from India, whom i met in Melbourne came down to Singas with me. We were sitting in my neighbourhood coffeeshop in the morning. The aunties that walked past with their groceries in their hands stared at us. Every one of them did that. My friend asked what on earth is wrong with them. I had to shrug my shoulders and hide my embarrassment. -
Sorry to hear what you've encountered. Regarding your 1st incident with the fast food restaurant, no.. It's not your fault. Though I agree with some that your topic is far too overgeneralised, it's more like a response of mine.. Like to defend my position as a Singaporean...Originally posted by I'm out there:no offence but this is the conclusion that i have come up with in last 30 days or so based on my recent experience with locals....i'm in singapore for quite sometime and i enjoyed the company of different people here in singapore like main land chinese, singaporean chinese, malays, indians, europeans. but today a lady in KFC pointed at me and called me "illiterate indian" .heheheheh i'm not an indian but i look like one and if i'm an illiterate then 90+% singaporeans are also illiterate considering my education (which is also from singapore).... incident was quite normal... i went to KFC to have a dinner with two other friends... we bought our meals but the girl at the counter forgot to give me spoon... i went back to counter to get one for me... and this lady in the queue shouted at me and asked me to queue up. i told her quite politely "lady i just need a spoon, i'm not going to buy something" but lady seemed unconvinced... and then girl at the counter gave me spoon and i was going back then that lady gave that remark... i was pissed off but i kept quite. it wasn't the end.. after that lady bought meal for her... she again shouted at me for not following the queue... and then i stood up and went to her and asked "lady is there any problem or did i say you something" listening that she walked away...... i don't see any problem with my behaviour not following the queue just to get a spoon from the counter as i have already bought the meal...... do you people think i was wrong. and this is usual practice in KFC and mcdonald to get the tissues, straws and remaining orders... i don't know whether she came to KFC for the first time or i was in different planet.
The second incident was in MRT. i politely asked a lady to give me the way as i wanted to get down at city hall. MRT was crowded and she was standing in the middle of the door. she refuesed to move and i was unable to get down.. i had to go to next step and the come back...the lady passed the comment "why you indians come to our place, you people don't know how to behave in MRT". again i don't see any misbehave and i was polite and i don't see any problem to ask a woman to give me way as i want to get down and she is standing in the middle.....
Despite the fact that I won't agree all Singaporeans are like that. I've come to realised that quite a majority of them can indeed be so. Calling the ang mos racist and uncivilised and yet we're not reflecting on ourselves... Yes. In a way, it's a shame.
Against Indians, there're generally 3 types of prejudice which I've come to noticed. The 1st is 'inborn'. Some people 'just don't like the smell and look' of Indians... In Singapore's hokkien culture, 'koah li ber siong...'. Nothing you've done, you've said. Some people just 'naturally' don't like certain things or certain people... I have no problem with their attitude, except that they should just try to restrain themselves 'a little'? Imagine a world where tomorrow President of US 'not happy' with Singaporeans then some missiles would come flying our way... You'll get the picture?
The 2nd would be 'hatre of behaviour & power'. As of now, some Indians tend to take quite high positions in our society and SOME have them do tends to 'look after' their own skin type... Could be the way of 'management' which they use or the attitude which they display (which I personally believe in due to their background culture... Can't really blame them totally..?) Being suppressed long term by such a form of character would naturally make you develop a prejudice and hatre against this race...
The 3rd type is 'Status prejudice'... This type is not really prejudice against local Indians.. Nor establised overseas one... This type is a form of 'looking down'... Because of a form of mentality that Indians work as labourers and cleaners.... It's a form of look down. And it's not exclusive to Indians. But it has become more and more influential subconsciously as more Indians take up these jobs....
As for your woes. I've noticed indeed that especially of customer service areas... They tends to treat those who they believe are of the 'lower class' as less worthy and can really be rude to them... This I would not defend against. You'll only see a minority who really understand the meaning of customer service or having zero prejudice at all doing a good (fair?) job....
As for your encounter in the MRT. I personally believe that the comment is racist and uncalled for. But another point I would like to bring up here. I think that you could usually see quite alot of 'rude' Singaporeans displaying their behaviours at the MRT... Ok.. Not only Singaporeans... Even foreign Indians and China workers...? It's just the way you see it? I think among all, the Europeans are the ones displaying much better behaviours generally speaking... The rest? Well... I believe it's very much a matter of 'culture' and beliefs? Being in the kinda society we're in, we tends to be more 'practical'... So especially of those aunties and uncles.... They would tend to neglect things like that... Or people in some work force? Highly selfish and 'each for their own' kinda mentality?
Yup... This is the kinda society... Having said that, have I told you about the Indians? Yup... And the China man... It's the background culture and beliefs you see..? -
wah..where have u disappeared to ?Originally posted by MooKu:*fallacy detected*
over-generalization of Singaporeans...
well, some of us are just downright rude... but thankfully they make up the majority of Singaporeans... NOT! Just ignore those people and don't let them spoil your day
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racism is everywhere......depends on ur luck whether u encounter it onot......
one bamboo cannot hit whole boat of ppl..... -
Well...
There's always a couple of rotten eggs in a basket.
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can i also den say tt australians r racist?
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Actually, if you want to talk about the top 2 racist countries in the world, they are Australia ranks #1 and Briton comes in 2nd.Originally posted by Lingos:I agree that not all of them are.
But I was reading and defending indians, caucasians and every other race on this forum. Guess what happened? Been called s|ut, caucasian lover and everything you can imagine.
I read lots of threads.. my boyfriend was indian.. or from some other race. Guess what? Everyone (especially in another forum) jumps on board and starts saying they are 'diluting', 'polluting' the chinese race. HAHAH..
My response is.. yes.. they are racists. My friend from India, whom i met in Melbourne came down to Singas with me. We were sitting in my neighbourhood coffeeshop in the morning. The aunties that walked past with their groceries in their hands stared at us. Every one of them did that. My friend asked what on earth is wrong with them. I had to shrug my shoulders and hide my embarrassment.
The Aussies are widely known to hate the chinese and any other non-white race, even their own aboringal people are depised! There was a recent racist attack in Perth.
The Brits hate the Indians to the core, then come the chinese but less since they like chinese food but still look down on the chings.
In Singapore, no race calls another race names, except for the ang mo. Hardly any racist fights at all... mostly pub/club brawl... but thats a diff story. So compared to these two other countries, we are pretty harmonious. -
and to think i just give a presentation on religious harmony act last week
related to racial harmony
ah well all about services about auntie here niaz
mrt i also encountered this case thankx god i got long journey arbo i very frustrated by ppl blocking the doorway... if encountered this auntie i just ignore her
as for fastfood aiyah shout shout only let dat person embrassed herself can liao
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SK, if this is true.Originally posted by :Actually, if you want to talk about the top 2 racist countries in the world, they are Australia ranks #1 and Briton comes in 2nd.
The Aussies are widely known to hate the chinese and any other non-white race, even their own aboringal people are depised! There was a recent racist attack in Perth.
The Brits hate the Indians to the core, then come the chinese but less since they like chinese food but still look down on the chings.
In Singapore, no race calls another race names, except for the ang mo. Hardly any racist fights at all... mostly pub/club brawl... but thats a diff story. So compared to these two other countries, we are pretty harmonious.
Me with my chink name and Singapore education as well as Gedanken will never get jobs.
Not even interviews. Have you been to Australia? Have you had funny looks like those that Singaporeans give me and my friend?
Racism exists everywhere pls.. Maybe you fail to realise that sg newspapers would keep any kind of racial disputes hush hush.. After all they want to create some sort of facade that everything is happy dandy.
Let me explain what's going on in these two countries.
One is.. both of them.. have a welfare system. This is supported by obviously huge taxes on the people who work here.
When they get into the country, they get the dole. They can also earn cash in hand (undeclared income) on the side. There was a documentary of a Russian or wherever he came from man who was renting out a flat that the Brit govt has given to him and making lots of money. He was driving a Merc, of course some people genuinely want to contribute to this society. But let me tell you, there's lots more who are coming for a free lunch. -
i'm not saying that all singaporeans are racist... all the singaporean friends that i have, they are very good, always helping and i treasure them.Originally posted by Lingos:I agree that not all of them are.
But I was reading and defending indians, caucasians and every other race on this forum. Guess what happened? Been called s|ut, caucasian lover and everything you can imagine.
I read lots of threads.. my boyfriend was indian.. or from some other race. Guess what? Everyone (especially in another forum) jumps on board and starts saying they are 'diluting', 'polluting' the chinese race. HAHAH..
My response is.. yes.. they are racists. My friend from India, whom i met in Melbourne came down to Singas with me. We were sitting in my neighbourhood coffeeshop in the morning. The aunties that walked past with their groceries in their hands stared at us. Every one of them did that. My friend asked what on earth is wrong with them. I had to shrug my shoulders and hide my embarrassment.
i totally agree with Lingos. being in a relationship with a non-chinese put a lot of pressure on chinese counterpart. actually my girlfriend is a chinese from mainland and i love her more than wildest imaginations of your. i'm here in singapore just because of her refusing all the good career opertunities in other countries, my homeland just to be with her in singapore and doing an ordinary underpaid job hardly meeting both ends. she is still studying and she'll have to serve six year MOE bond and i'm planning to arrange the money for her to pay back the grant and to take her out of singapore as soon as possible and forever... actually whenever, i go out with her people like to have a second look on us and sometime pass the remarks in chinese... initially she didn't tell me the meaning but later when i insisted she told me and now i give it a damn about this.
may be this is the reason for my reaction to incidents in MRT and KFC ... by the way that lady wasn't some old, she was in her 30's -
most racial prejudice comes from the way we were brought up. but these mindsets can be changed.
if any of you ever become a parent, don't say things like "if you're naughty, i go ask ah bu neh neh to catch you" or "they are so smelly" to your child.. -
Yes, been to more places in aussie than you have and I can atest that.Originally posted by Lingos:Mr SK, if this is true.
Me with my chink name and Singapore education as well as Gedanken will never get jobs.
Not even interviews. Have you been to Australia? Have you had funny looks like those that Singaporeans give me and my friend?
Perth, went to casino there once. Went to margaret river as well, which is a 2hr + drive from Perth, went there for some vino and golf.
Gold Coast - usual adventure places
Sydney - maybe could add up all the times there and I could get fill a year. Was there recently to visit my friends, spent 2 weeks there, won $900 from Star City. Also driven around the outskirts of Sdyney and driven up to mel b4.
Melbourne - again could add up the number of times I have been there and it could fill 6 mths. tons of friends there as well.
Tasmania - to see that fuzzy looking animal
A few outback places....
So, what I gather is not just one place, one visit, once upon a time thing, its through countless visits, stays and from my friends experiences there, a couple of whom are PRs already and citizens as well... all had multiple encounters of racist remarks. -
Neither am I! I'm not..Originally posted by I'm out there:i'm not saying that all singaporeans are racist... all the singaporean friends that i have, they are very good, always helping and i treasure them.
i totally agree with Lingos. being in a relationship with a non-chinese put a lot of pressure on chinese counterpart. actually my girlfriend is a chinese from mainland and i love her more than wildest imaginations of your. i'm here in singapore just because of her refusing all the good career opertunities in other countries, my homeland just to be with her in singapore and doing an ordinary underpaid job hardly meeting both ends. she is still studying and she'll have to serve six year MOE bond and i'm planning to arrange the money for her to pay back the grant and to take her out of singapore as soon as possible and forever... actually whenever, i go out with her people like to have a second look on us and sometime pass the remarks in chinese... initially she didn't tell me the meaning but later when i insisted she told me and now i give it a damn about this.
may be this is the reason for my reaction to incidents in MRT and KFC ... by the way that lady wasn't some old, she was in her 30's
I'm not questioning why you're in singas.
I'm trying to say they exists in Singas.. but i always get flamed by everyone who thinks aussies are darn racists.
IÂ’m not defending angmohs, in fact.. i think some of them are darn lazy compared to us asians.
IÂ’m just trying to get the point across that people in sg are racists.
Govt propaganda has worked really well indeed since everyone seems to feel that sg is darn friendly to different races. Check out the number of indian workers threads.. Check out the response that someone said to this girl who had an indian boyfriend before. He said, “oh..j.. you used to like chocolate skin right, now you’re reformed ah?” I just sat there in disbelief. After all, we were sitting in Crown casino.. and these people are suppose to be educated? -
Omg then you are the minority.Originally posted by :Yes, been to more places in aussie than you have and I can atest that.
Perth, went to casino there once. Went to margaret river as well, which is a 2hr + drive from Perth, went there for some vino and golf.
Gold Coast - usual adventure places
Sydney - maybe could add up all the times there and I could get fill a year. Was there recently to visit my friends, spent 2 weeks there, won $900 from Star City. Also driven around the outskirts of Sdyney and driven up to mel b4.
Melbourne - again could add up the number of times I have been there and it could fill 6 mths. tons of friends there as well.
Tasmania - to see that fuzzy looking animal
A few outback places....
So, what I gather is not just one place, one visit, once upon a time thing, its through countless visits, stays and from my friends experiences there, a couple of whom are PRs already and citizens as well... all had multiple encounters of racist remarks.
I haven't heard anything at all.
HHAH.. My friends here are all working and part of the society. Unless they refuse to have anything to do with the aussies? C'mon SK, didn't think you were that narrow.
What is wrong? You refuse to acknowledge that sgreans are racists as well?
If they are really targeted by racial remarks, why be citizens then? Just go home.. the thing is.. i get hell from people here as well. -
Originally posted by Lingos:Racism exists everywhere pls.. Maybe you fail to realise that sg newspapers would keep any kind of racial disputes hush hush.. After all they want to create some sort of facade that everything is happy dandy.
Yes, I do know there is a strict media censorship in Singapore. However, there has not been any racist attacks on a group of people. Unlike in Aussie and Briton, where such attacks are common.
Let me explain what's going on in these two countries.
One is.. both of them.. have a welfare system. This is supported by obviously huge taxes on the people who work here.
When they get into the country, they get the dole. They can also earn cash in hand (undeclared income) on the side. There was a documentary of a Russian or wherever he came from man who was renting out a flat that the Brit govt has given to him and making lots of money. He was driving a Merc, of course some people genuinely want to contribute to this society. But let me tell you, there's lots more who are coming for a free lunch.
Lingos, I do know the welfare system in the UK and aussie, I am an economist by training. What does welfare have to do with our topic though?