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u sure you really know abt marketing, or is this the system and training nti has?Originally posted by Success87:ya.. i also feel sleepy.. haha.. i like wat u say the last sentence.
when ppl are angry over nti... no one can tok win them de ba.. haha.. they have their answers n excuse.
btw.. no need get back by tomorrow.. cuz this is not urgent de. u should have more things to do de ba..
take care.
rule number one: you got angry customers, never ever brush them off, i mean it seriously
it tells alot abt the culture and attitude within ur company towards customers, prospects and the public -
NTI is not pure mlm. Network marketing n mlm is not totally the same too.
No no, i am not interested in VE. Why use this analogy? Basic idea of MLM is to sell products cheaper and directly, eliminating intermediaries, as claimed by many MLMers. now you are telling people the price is higher other than the reason of good quality. U mean, people are paying for agents income, products are priced more expensive even tho some competitors are selling it cheaper? Then why dont sell at it retail shops right? economies of scale and all that...goodness....
i study business law too. but maybe not as comprehensive as u.NTI have products. n there r more n more. furthermore. most mlm companies products are expensive. cuz they need to pay distributors income. for example VE. how much their mattress cost? u should know alot more den me.
MLM and NM not the same? Meaning there can be no focus on products in NM? Thats hogwash. Its akin to pyramid scheme.training .. ppl are paid for training programs.
consumers are paying for training programs? u just said its for agents incomeagents are paid through commission in MLM.. and will increase in percentage when do more sales. NTI do not treat agents as pure consumers.. instead biz partners. thats the difference.
meaning there is no consumers base? all biz partner are buying the products themselves? that is a disguised pyramid. can u see the big hole in this? self survival when agents themselves buy more, contributing to uplines income, not thru pure selling....
and in better, its front loading....
keep on trying, u are beginning to describe a disguised pyramid scheme -
why not?Originally posted by Success87:what makes me wonder most is y would ppl come here to chat about such topic. yes. but would they chat until so much pages..? hmm.. i cant afford so much time. but i will come see once in awhile. paiseh.
a) provide more info on shady companies
b) create awareness
c) usual flaming from nti agents who cant defend
want me to point out the very first original flamer from nti? funny names, like donkeys....... -
Look, its not as if i meant to be difficult
Success87, i dont noe who u are, but u got to answer to the point. Things that will not convince, for me at least, are suggestive and circuitous answers.
If you reread your posts carefully, there are many suggestive answers, most are towards emotions of the ex agents here, and the suggestion that people spending their time chatting here abt nuthing.
I would have expected u to answer, saying things like "This point or claim is not true because of a)...b)...c).." Does it help when i read your posts, and u suggest ex agents are too emotional, therefore exaggerate their claims or falsify their claims? Or suggesting ex agents stirring things up to the max? I have been emphasising, questioning their integrity or character assasination isnt going to help nti repair its reputation in long time.
Second part, the reasons why i got bones to pick with ur points is because its not direct. Check out parts eg, using cost of mattress in VE as an analogy, when the question is on why nti price its stuff higher, when somebody, i'll give u benefit of the doubt, claim he could get it cheaper elsewhere?
Another one is when i asked in what way some black sheeps as u claim, do things diff from the system, and i ask u what system nti has, u noe very well the issue is on unethical behaviour of nti agents, and u talked abt filial piety?
U also got to watch out for ur claims. U noe the reputation of nti. Back up ur claims, instead of saying u think the IT is good, nti is advancing at an alarming rate. As far as i can see, they dont add value to ur arguments.
Lastly, u might wanna watch out. The way u are describing the system, with no pure consumer base, is one of the characteristic of disguised pyramid scheme with no focus on products and income thru own downlines buying the products only. -
wow.. u come here everyday ah.. are u paid to post here??? cuz i feel tt there is no need for u to come here to post such things.. u dun seem like those who are doing nothing..Originally posted by laurence82:Look, its not as if i meant to be difficult
Success87, i dont noe who u are, but u got to answer to the point. Things that will not convince, for me at least, are suggestive and circuitous answers.
If you reread your posts carefully, there are many suggestive answers, most are towards emotions of the ex agents here, and the suggestion that people spending their time chatting here abt nuthing.
I would have expected u to answer, saying things like "This point or claim is not true because of a)...b)...c).." Does it help when i read your posts, and u suggest ex agents are too emotional, therefore exaggerate their claims or falsify their claims? Or suggesting ex agents stirring things up to the max? I have been emphasising, questioning their integrity or character assasination isnt going to help nti repair its reputation in long time.
Second part, the reasons why i got bones to pick with ur points is because its not direct. Check out parts eg, using cost of mattress in VE as an analogy, when the question is on why nti price its stuff higher, when somebody, i'll give u benefit of the doubt, claim he could get it cheaper elsewhere?
Another one is when i asked in what way some black sheeps as u claim, do things diff from the system, and i ask u what system nti has, u noe very well the issue is on unethical behaviour of nti agents, and u talked abt filial piety?
U also got to watch out for ur claims. U noe the reputation of nti. Back up ur claims, instead of saying u think the IT is good, nti is advancing at an alarming rate. As far as i can see, they dont add value to ur arguments.
Lastly, u might wanna watch out. The way u are describing the system, with no pure consumer base, is one of the characteristic of disguised pyramid scheme with no focus on products and income thru own downlines buying the products only.
firstly.. things have change le.. from yr understanding of NTI.. i feel its a little outdated. no offense.
we are becoming more consumer base.. thats y we are launching in more n more products. but tt will take some time. furthermore.. we are not all about recruitment.. we have agents doing sales too. i personally do tt.
PYRAMID
a. no products-
but we have. and u know how much more we are going to have now? i bet u dunno cuz its top secret.
b.unreasonable large sum for signup-(without knowing what they are paid for)
if u reali understand pryamid. it can go up to few k to 10k to 50k.
while we offer 300plus. or min activation cost of 35 to start the biz.
c.top earn the most while below lose money.
i earn alot more than my uplines. do i need to explain more?
d.pryamid cant last more den a year. it will collaspe!
the top will definitely run away wif the pool of money and more n more new recruits are required each level.( go study the structure of pryamid more.. u will know) furthermore.. we already 2 years le.
e. they dun have good location. they often in places difficult to trace.
we even have website lor.. lol.. n we are at..? haha..
f. cannot escape from police
today we are safe is due to the fact tt the police know we are not doing pyramid. i ask a policeman b4. n my relatives are police. lol.
there are alot more.. but some u may presume to be suggestive but take my advise.. u should not spent yr time in this topic.. unless u feel u r a victim.
plus i dun think i will be back so early. cuz i have to help my downlines earn too. thats more important. take care. -
why my posting here got to do with everything? most of us come here post almost everyday, yet we also go outings and have fun? does it matter?Originally posted by Success87:wow.. u come here everyday ah.. are u paid to post here??? cuz i feel tt there is no need for u to come here to post such things.. u dun seem like those who are doing nothing..
firstly.. things have change le.. from yr understanding of NTI.. i feel its a little outdated. no offense.
we are becoming more consumer base.. thats y we are launching in more n more products. but tt will take some time. furthermore.. we are not all about recruitment.. we have agents doing sales too. i personally do tt.
PYRAMID
a. no products-
but we have. and u know how much more we are going to have now? i bet u dunno cuz its top secret.
b.unreasonable large sum for signup-(without knowing what they are paid for)
if u reali understand pryamid. it can go up to few k to 10k to 50k.
while we offer 300plus. or min activation cost of 35 to start the biz.
c.top earn the most while below lose money.
i earn alot more than my uplines. do i need to explain more?
d.pryamid cant last more den a year. it will collaspe!
the top will definitely run away wif the pool of money and more n more new recruits are required each level.( go study the structure of pryamid more.. u will know) furthermore.. we already 2 years le.
e. they dun have good location. they often in places difficult to trace.
we even have website lor.. lol.. n we are at..? haha..
f. cannot escape from police
today we are safe is due to the fact tt the police know we are not doing pyramid. i ask a policeman b4. n my relatives are police. lol.
there are alot more.. but some u may presume to be suggestive but take my advise.. u should not spent yr time in this topic.. unless u feel u r a victim.
plus i dun think i will be back so early. cuz i have to help my downlines earn too. thats more important. take care.
everything is top secret? its the first time i heard an mlm company using top secret as a reason for not telling people everything. always clarify and tell the truth, then hide under guise of being mysterious
do u have figure proving only pyramids will last only a year? u shld be the one studying structure of disguised pyramid more
u heard of commodities trading scams b4? they got really nice office and stuff. having good physcial location isnt a factor anymore, and its agonising that people says good location, good office is not equal to having pyramid scheme. in fact, good office, having website are superficial, many scams are conducted online too...
policemen? NPP or CAD?
even CAD wouldnt tell u much unless he wants to flout the Official Secrets Act....
Why in hurry to shoo me away? Again, i told u not to give suggestive or circuitous answers. Asking me what i am doing here or why i am posting so much isnt relevant to what questions people are asking abt nti now. -
did some calculation
1 USD = 4 merchant point
spent 720 mp on the obsidian, tht is 180 USD and if i use the rate from NTI which is 1.75 sgd for 1 usd. i get 315 SGD
which means i spent $315 on a $100+ obsidian
the price varies with each obsidian, but most are still cheaper
immitiation? dunno abt tht.
i didn't ask wat brand they are, so not sure abt tht
but if it is immitation, they sure go through alot of trouble copying alot of products from tiangongfang (www.tiangongfang.com)
anyways,
u dun practice hard-selling, tht's gd for u. and i hope u also dun resort to "tricking" people to come down.
maybe if u were the upline i met, things would've been different? perhaps i will still be 1600 richer, cos u would advice me to go home and think carefully 1st? would u do tht, knowing tht if i went home, 99.9% possiblity is tht i wun join at all, hence u dun get any money.
if u would, then wat can i say.. u are rare
but no point thinking abt tht.. i can't change the past
true, the money can be earned back...
however, it's not a matter of how much, but how i lose it in the 1st place
hate myself for being so stupid
besides, does it really matter whether i hate the ppl, or the company?
the way i see it,
no NTI --> no upline --> i still have my money
so bottomline is, i still hate NTI, and i hate the people even more, wish they never been born. all they do is screwed up my life
the only gd thing tht comes out of all this, is my realisation of how cruel this world is... was too naive to think tht some random people will actually care -
hey... 20k "i noe everything" guru. u are stil alive !!!??? =)
damn... so how's being superheroes so far...?? look like u have a villian to eliminate. haha... but u stil suk. anyway... sry for not coming for so long... haha.. cos.. i got life. haha. so unlike u. this is our difference..
got miss me???
dcx 5k "i noe more than L82 " guru... lol... ya.. i noe.. it's stil heavier on the left ball...
it's funny to see so many people debating over this NTI.. LOL.
can i join in?? -
guess who's back..
haiz... L82.. got take my advice?? go cut ur hair.. so long never cut.... like wolfman like that already... -
wow... ill fate.. shampooboi...
arhh.. but im sure L82 will help u... im veri sure he will be most willing to help... maybe u can mail him ur address... L82 can send it through post.
L82 : blah blah blah... disguised pyramid scheme.... (wow..)
L82 = disguised "i noe everthing" guru.
hah.. talk big only... do something lah... post post post... go call police lah. go sue nti lah.
super hero talk big. condamned to core SOB.
haha.. i hate cowards. -
There is no point of ranting people down with words that carry no substance.Originally posted by IHateCowards:wow... ill fate.. shampooboi...
arhh.. but im sure L82 will help u... im veri sure he will be most willing to help... maybe u can mail him ur address... L82 can send it through post.
L82 : blah blah blah... disguised pyramid scheme.... (wow..)
L82 = disguised "i noe everthing" guru.
hah.. talk big only... do something lah... post post post... go call police lah. go sue nti lah.
super hero talk big. condamned to core SOB.
haha.. i hate cowards.
I hope this does not reflect badly on our capability and the company we try to represent. -
hmm.. have the sudden urge to add u to my death wish listOriginally posted by IHateCowards:guess who's back..
can i have your photo, full name, address, and ic number?
since you are not a coward i figured u are brave enough to give me that? no?
PS: you're gonna die either because of testicular cancer or lung cancer or AIDS within the next 10 years. gd luck! -
Yeah ...sure...u got life...yea rite...meaningless life....that's wonderful...wow...Originally posted by IHateCowards:hey... 20k "i noe everything" guru. u are stil alive !!!??? =)
damn... so how's being superheroes so far...?? look like u have a villian to eliminate. haha... but u stil suk. anyway... sry for not coming for so long... haha.. cos.. i got life. haha. so unlike u. this is our difference..
got miss me???
dcx 5k "i noe more than L82 " guru... lol... ya.. i noe.. it's stil heavier on the left ball...
it's funny to see so many people debating over this NTI.. LOL.
can i join in??
This's my 1st time seeing "a dog eating its own sh!t"...oh great....simply eye-opening...
Oh....nah....dun be sorry...your "apologise's worthless...dun worry abt it...
I wonder who taught you to understand languages n words...it's alright if you sux at interpreting sentences...but dun be so proud of your disabilities...
Oh ya....i really wonder if you really ever know what i'm trying to tell you in the above sentences...yea...all of them...but i guess it doesn't really matter much to you anyway...coz STUPIDITY can't be cured...THIS, you should be proud of it... -
yo...idiot....i mean...nvm... taken your medicine already or not???Originally posted by IHateCowards:guess who's back..
haiz... L82.. got take my advice?? go cut ur hair.. so long never cut.... like wolfman like that already... -
Dun be such a sore loser lah....if you can't play along, then dun play....dun act like a retarded pig...this's the kinda of pigs which i've seen that're working in NTI....and perphaps, you're really the "CANNOT MAKE IT" NTI agents and still think you're one damn big fcuk...Originally posted by IHateCowards:wow... ill fate.. shampooboi...
arhh.. but im sure L82 will help u... im veri sure he will be most willing to help... maybe u can mail him ur address... L82 can send it through post.
L82 : blah blah blah... disguised pyramid scheme.... (wow..)
L82 = disguised "i noe everthing" guru.
hah.. talk big only... do something lah... post post post... go call police lah. go sue nti lah.
super hero talk big. condamned to core SOB.
haha.. i hate cowards.
Let me tell u something...if you're so successful in NTI, you won't be in here rebutting us...i certainly will see you in the news or Fortune 500...otherwise, pls shut your arsehole...it stinks...Btw, stop using NTI as a shield to hide your "FRAGILE" pride & ego....if you cannot make it,it simply means that you CANNOT MAKE IT...Dun rob a bank if u dun have a gun with bullets, dun use a banana to do it.... -
if my company's integrity is well known or strong, do i even need to be bothered abt what others say?
so what happened? your downlines leaving you in droves? so want to retort and call them blind? -
haha... here cums a new challenger!
lolX...
I was searching for MLM and then i came to this page where i could c practically all was about tis NTI thingy.
WaA LaN..... NTI power sia~
haha...muz be a famous MLM company...
so many ppl toking abt it...
Anyone wanna jio me down NTI?
Mind me having a look?
I read tis book on Rich Dad Poor Dad -Business School...
It toks about Network Marketing..which theres one part on how to look for a good Network marketing company...
haha...lolx...
Wanna koe whether NTI have the 8things the BUSINESS SCHOOL toks abt anot...
haha...steady anot?Anyone from NTI???
Anyway...
To the dumbass heros hu's saying all the crap:
U guys toking in this forum are so dumb...lolx....It juz reflects u guys as TRADITIONAL SINGAPOREANS...
haha...typically negative IQ...
To the NTI guys:
SOMEONE PLEASE BRING ME DOWN!!!!!
If u guys can recruit me, hahahaha...i will sure bring all my VE/DW/Bel air/Gold Quest/Commandos downlines to join u guys...
A bit of my history :
Im from all this NWM companies-VE/DW/Bel air/Gold Quest/Commandos and i've been doing all for 3years now...
Current status: all managers except in Bel air (do sales do like shit) haha...
I'm getting bored at all of them...
Onli sales sales sales and nothing but sales...
lolx...Im looking for the 8things the BUSINESS SCHOOL toks abt...
haha...Peace to all... yall.... -
Y always come new "challenger" then after "vanished" into thin air huh??? All the patterns the same....wanna change nick muz also change style lah....Originally posted by uGuysAreShitty:haha... here cums a new challenger!
lolX...
I was searching for MLM and then i came to this page where i could c practically all was about tis NTI thingy.
WaA LaN..... NTI power sia~
haha...muz be a famous MLM company...
so many ppl toking abt it...
Anyone wanna jio me down NTI?
Mind me having a look?
I read tis book on Rich Dad Poor Dad -Business School...
It toks about Network Marketing..which theres one part on how to look for a good Network marketing company...
haha...lolx...
Wanna koe whether NTI have the 8things the BUSINESS SCHOOL toks abt anot...
haha...steady anot?Anyone from NTI???
Anyway...
To the dumbass heros hu's saying all the crap:
U guys toking in this forum are so dumb...lolx....It juz reflects u guys as TRADITIONAL SINGAPOREANS...
haha...typically negative IQ...
To the NTI guys:
SOMEONE PLEASE BRING ME DOWN!!!!!
If u guys can recruit me, hahahaha...i will sure bring all my VE/DW/Bel air/Gold Quest/Commandos downlines to join u guys...
A bit of my history :
Im from all this NWM companies-VE/DW/Bel air/Gold Quest/Commandos and i've been doing all for 3years now...
Current status: all managers except in Bel air (do sales do like shit) haha...
I'm getting bored at all of them...
Onli sales sales sales and nothing but sales...
lolx...Im looking for the 8things the BUSINESS SCHOOL toks abt...
haha...Peace to all... yall....
I can see you're very SUCCESSFUL....been MANAGER for so many MLM companies...izzit you cannot make it or the companies cannot make it huh??? Or is it a trend for MANAGERS to jump boats from one MLM company to another huh???
What surprised me is that you've been a MANAGER for so many MLM companies but you dunno how POWERFUL NTI is??? Still need NTI agents to bring you down and you'll be their downline???Nv heard of agents recruiting Managers...maybe i sua ku or the BOSS of NTI see you no up ???? So cannot make it ahz???? Manager~~~ I wonder if you'll to join NTI, will you be a Manager or an agent???
Been a Manager for 4 MLM companies in 3yrs....wow....i'm still a 3yrs old kid...i wonder which idiot will leave a company when he/she's has reached a managerial position in the company ? Tot got simi Director or something???
Next time say you've been in MLM for 10yrs lah....more convincing..u've very HIGH IQ leh...3yrs....haha..i really 3yrs old lehz....... -
yawnz
must drink more kopi, some posts makes me sleepy... -
All MLM are Good.
Why should we spend more money to get the bonus?
How about we spend money as usually we spend to buy things that we need each month, but we can get the bonus?
I think it's a good idea. -
Why should we eat fruits to get the vitamin c?Originally posted by comac:All MLM are Good.
Why should we spend more money to get the bonus?
How about we spend money as usually we spend to buy things that we need each month, but we can get the bonus?
I think it's a good idea.
How about we eat some fruits like we eat some apples, but we can get the vitamin c?
Cant help it, i just logged in and saw this, gotta to say its like steamrolling somebody and call it a massage. -
Why all of you debate all of these thing?
It'll be continued and continue...save your energy.
Just tell the people what system you are using in your company, and let people thing themselves about that.
No need to argue with them
My opinion is when people want to join one of the MLM, they want to get extra money but don't ask they to spend more money.
We want to help them to get better life
So....Let them think and choose. -
this thread must have broken all records in being the longest and most argumentative, and seems going no-where
Whatever company, you choose, just use your head , use your research and compile a checklist of critical points to look for in a company that can deliver what you are looking for in the first place.
(financial returns that can sustain lon term / income from growing global markets? a unique product range with few or no competitors? / the profile of people that make up the company distributors. /no maintenance required to enjoy over-riding commissions )
Dont just join because a friend asked you to join or
dont defend something because you happen to join for whatever reasons.
Choose a leader that can show a proven income statement that can prove that consumption income (repeat purchases and re-ordering) is more than recruitment income. This test alone, let me assure you, many MLM companies will fail.
Can you get faster results with another vehicle? Put "face" , "pride" and "prestige" aside - Go where your heart and brain tells you.
Cheers to all ! -
NTI change Name ,
Empire Group Alliance -
Hi, I have no objection for anyone who want to join any networking company. I will only object and discourage if an individual did not do enough research before joining. Must find out and understand the negative and positive part of it.
In addition, people in any networking company will tell you it is easy to make $$$$$. If you join the business because you think it is easy money, than I think you deserve to fail and be cheated. Reason is that you cheat yourself first by believing that it is an easy making $$$ machine. They can't cheat you if you are not overwhelmed my greed with no work. Do the business when you have done your research and prepare to work hard and be responsible to your people.