Bel' Air
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Originally posted by Sabelli:
Wah, this thread has grown so long haha. Hmm... if want to take actions, very hard. i think Scorpio76 once contacted CAD, but nothing was done. The thing is, they got products to sell and it covers up what they are really selling i.e 'marketing plans'.
As long as what they do are within the contact that you sign, they are by all means considered legal. Thus the recruitment or 'pyramid' scheme still remains hidden.
Although their means of getting people into this biz and hiding facts and figures, telling lies and faking being rich is more than despicable, nothing can be done unless the authorities bother to go undercover and unveil how many of these people are now in debt, bankrupt, and how many have actually earned money. And the failure rate and sucess rate of this company.
I also hate this company, alot. Because it makes me sick. My 'friend' also makes me sick. People changed so much do to greed, this really taught me a lesson. Maybe this really expose me to the dangers of the working society, and that things are not as they seems. (I am still young, 24 this year
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I dunno what you guys think, but I once cautioned another friend about this company (cos my friend knows him as well). All he gave me as an answer was that this business is do-able, if not why is it still around. As a friend, I think I have done alot to warn him about it. I told him about the lies they make, brainwashing that they do, and even asked him to look at this forum and particularly this thread. I personally hope that he is smart enough about this business, and even that he can tell my Bel' Air friend to come clean about it.
(Hey Aaron, if you are reading this, I hope you are thinking about what I am saying, this is not some taxi-drivers talking coffeeshop talk, this is real people sharing what they know and experienced in this MLM coy. I know by doing this, you know who I am, but I really dun fuking care. I also dun care about friendship anymore. Earning good friendships are hard, BUT bad friendships can be easily broken. As you can see, I am real pissed off about it. So just wake up your friend.)
Scorpio76 has not replied for sometime... does anyone reading this know of something that the Bel' Air people and particularly the AAA group did that is really against the law?
Can 'front-end' loading promotions such as '1+2+2', '1+5', '1+15' be considered legal? Especially since this scheme is actually targeted at the younger 16-24 age group?
Think only when someone from Bel' Air commit suicide or if the media decides to investigate it like the NKF saga then can something really be done. Meanwhile the only thing that we can do is try our best to let people be aware of this company.
Or if someone by any chance wants to contact Susan Long about it...
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Sabelli,
Below thread was posted by BrandSing who contributed to a Bel'Air topic started by me. It answers to your question about the "1+5" and "1+15" investment schemes promoted by Bel'Air.
Hi All,
I read with interest the commentaries posted here. I would like to share my personal views on this matter as I have attended one of those 1+5 / 1+15 seminars.
Please refer to the MLM Act Section 2(c) (vi), I quote
"A promoter of a scheme shall not, and shall take reasonable steps to ensure that participants in the scheme :
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(D) in promoting the scheme or the commodity, use, or cause or permit to be used, fraud, coercion, harassment, or unconsciounable or unlawful means"
After the attending one of such seminars, I observed that there was alot of hype in it. (i.e. loud music, people sharing, lots of yelling, showing their pay cheques....) With some basic knowledge of human pyschology, if a persons' mind is not sufficiently strong, he/she may be swayed into making a decision which is not based on clear facts but emotions/ group dynamics.
So, my question is Belair infringing on the ACT by practicising 'unconsciounable' means to promote the scheme. Can the relevant authorities please look into it as we may not be qualified to ascertain it.
Promoting 1+5/ 1+15 is basically creating a virtual network before finding the recruits. Based on my reading knowledge of some US MLM consultants, creating a virtual network is not a professional MLM practice! It is not a representation of the TRUTH of doing MLM i.e. Not all will recover their 'so-called' investment into the essential oils.
For your friend Aaron, I think you have done your part as a friend to warn him the dangers of Bel'Air. If he wants to learn the hard way, let him be. There is nothing much we could do.
Aaron, if you follow this thread, hope the information provided will lead you to making a wise decision. Many have regretted and we do not want you to be another victim of this unethical company. Take care. -
Aaron, especially if you join in AAA tis group, you will "Si de hen can". They are really "mei ren xin"
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wow, i think i should ask my belair friend come and read all those thread here, em, but i think he is being brainwashed seriously, non stop attending those brainwashing lesson, and some how what i feel sad is, many of belairian i met in marina square, many of them same secondary school with me..and graduate from NTU, NUS...ai~
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No point asking him to come here to read, they are told not to read this kind of forum from the beginning. They say it's a forum for losers and who don't know how their system works bla bla bla~~~Originally posted by remychan:wow, i think i should ask my belair friend come and read all those thread here, em, but i think he is being brainwashed seriously, non stop attending those brainwashing lesson, and some how what i feel sad is, many of belairian i met in marina square, many of them same secondary school with me..and graduate from NTU, NUS...ai~
The more they attend the lessons the more brainwashed they get. It's what happened to me and I can't imagine in my life that I would be conned so badly. I thank god for rescuing me from this hell hole before it was too late. -
I do agree with youOriginally posted by SavedSoul:No point asking him to come here to read, they are told not to read this kind of forum from the beginning. They say it's a forum for losers and who don't know how their system works bla bla bla~~~
The more they attend the lessons the more brainwashed they get. It's what happened to me and I can't imagine in my life that I would be conned so badly. I thank god for rescuing me from this hell hole before it was too late.
Its bothers me that some MLM companies actually bar their members from coming to any such sites.
For one, at certain stages in their MLM career, especially the top distributors, should be competent enough to answer any question forumer pose to them, or to challenge any points forumers raise about them.
Such online forums provide an equitable debating venue, without the pressure of the environment. Of course, to be fair, anyone who seen what happened to me back few pages, where I was assumed to be a Bel-Air agent and was told rather imprudently that I should only engage anti Bel-Air discussion, should be discouraged.
The second, as I can see, is the potential damage an online forum would do to a company, hopefully not by defamation, but by presenting facts, and some startling ones even.
I cant say for this thread, because I have not read through, but anyone who hop over to the topic on SwissCash, would see shocking information including Swiss Embassy's advisory on SwissCash as a scam. Imagine you are a member of SwissCash scheme and you were told not to come in here. Chances are some chaps wouldnt know of that advisory. -
If your friend just joined not long, give him some time lah....now he is still dreaming of making easy $$$..... let him dream lah since he already paid S$12k......Originally posted by remychan:wow, i think i should ask my belair friend come and read all those thread here, em, but i think he is being brainwashed seriously, non stop attending those brainwashing lesson, and some how what i feel sad is, many of belairian i met in marina square, many of them same secondary school with me..and graduate from NTU, NUS...ai~
At the moment, a sweet dream to him cost S$12k is worth.... after a few months later when he cannot get propects, he didn't got income & his uplines no more "chap" him anyone, then he will regret a nightmare cost him S$12k + wasting alot of his valuable time.....
Wait until he wake up, i m sure if you ask him to read this forum, he will immediately join member & write more than us just wait & C 
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______________________________________________________________Originally posted by SavedSoul:No point asking him to come here to read, they are told not to read this kind of forum from the beginning. They say it's a forum for losers and who don't know how their system works bla bla bla~~~
The more they attend the lessons the more brainwashed they get. It's what happened to me and I can't imagine in my life that I would be conned so badly. I thank god for rescuing me from this hell hole before it was too late.
Yes, it is for losers. Losers who are not able to cheat. I have yet to see a Bel'Arian who dare to present their system here. The duke in the audio recording talks about earning 5 or 6 figures income. Talk is cheap. Show the forumers how their system works. I will disappear for good if readers, after the presentation, are convinced that Bel'Air is not a disguised pyramid.
Of course, their will be questions which they must be prepared to answer. I have noticed a rather strange phenomenon in Bel'Air thread. Even some notorious MLMs have members coming out to defend the company though in many cases, they disappear completely because they they could not handle when tough questions were raised.
For Bel'Air? None, except for a Marquis who was exposed by me and not because he comes clean. What do they do when they are not able to convince or argue a case? Create clones and spit expletives or spread rumours in a desperate attempt to discredit the other party. This is a most dishonourable thing to do.
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same as what happened to the nti topicOriginally posted by k2wanviet:______________________________________________________________
Yes, it is for losers. Losers who are not able to cheat. I have yet to see a Bel'Arian who dare to present their system here. The duke in the audio recording talks about earning 5 or 6 figures income. Talk is cheap. Show the forumers how their system works. I will disappear for good if readers, after the presentation, are convinced that Bel'Air is not a disguised pyramid.
Of course, their will be questions which they must be prepared to answer. I have noticed a rather strange phenomenon in Bel'Air thread. Even some notorious MLMs have members coming out to defend the company though in many cases, they disappear completely because they they could not handle when tough questions were raised.
For Bel'Air? None, except for a Marquis who was exposed by me and not because he comes clean. What do they do when they are not able to convince or argue a case? Create clones and spit expletives or spread rumours in a desperate attempt to discredit the other party. This is a most dishonourable thing to do.
none could pose a challenge, so they sent one chap to flame, and the other to spawn clones and spew expletives
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some notorious MLMs have members coming out to defend the company though in many cases, they disappear completely because they they could not handle when tough questions were raised.
Well, the reason is, they do not want to spend time in here to defend their company. Use 2 hours to read all the thing here? nono, use 2 hours to cheat someone or find prospect. That why they are disappeared. -
cos they know that they will kanna "jialat jialat" here.Originally posted by k2wanviet:______________________________________________________________
Yes, it is for losers. Losers who are not able to cheat. I have yet to see a Bel'Arian who dare to present their system here. The duke in the audio recording talks about earning 5 or 6 figures income. Talk is cheap. Show the forumers how their system works. I will disappear for good if readers, after the presentation, are convinced that Bel'Air is not a disguised pyramid.
Of course, their will be questions which they must be prepared to answer. I have noticed a rather strange phenomenon in Bel'Air thread. Even some notorious MLMs have members coming out to defend the company though in many cases, they disappear completely because they they could not handle when tough questions were raised.
For Bel'Air? None, except for a Marquis who was exposed by me and not because he comes clean. What do they do when they are not able to convince or argue a case? Create clones and spit expletives or spread rumours in a desperate attempt to discredit the other party. This is a most dishonourable thing to do.
i also like to change the title of a "duck" to a "dick"....anyone disagree? -
absolutely agree, but change to dixk, will be funny..since clown and monkey under the dick, haha, dick conduct brainwash lesson, highest position is arch duke, then should be "A dixk" wow wow..grade A dixk, hahaha.
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Hello hello .... any belairian or dixks or monkeys come out to defend lah. Give you all a chance . If you all guy think what you are doing is ethical , come out to defend lah... Enterprise1, 2005wss, GSXR~RACER, teampreneurs , halftime90, savedsoul's upline monkey or dixk & who else ar..... ai ya don care lah all the succccc....... where r u?????coward
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Well ,what they think is they wont spend time to defend here, since we all wont be cheated right? so they will spend their time for their future prospect and suck their moneyOriginally posted by VeryFree1:Hello hello .... any belairian or dixks or monkeys come out to defend lah. Give you all a chance . If you all guy think what you are doing is ethical , come out to defend lah... Enterprise1, 2005wss, GSXR~RACER, teampreneurs , halftime90, savedsoul's upline monkey or dixk & who else ar..... ai ya don care lah all the succccc....... where r u?????coward -
Hi, savedSoul did u manage to get back the refund? Could u share with us about their Annivesary & Award dinner on 20th May over here to us?
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If they think that they are "so good", come & prove us wrong lah. If they dare to defend & convience everyone that what they are doing is right & enthical, they will get the respect from forumers & he or she will have more prospects. I was told some "Speakers" very powerful (or powderful?) But so far........Originally posted by remychan:Well ,what they think is they wont spend time to defend here, since we all wont be cheated right? so they will spend their time for their future prospect and suck their money 
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Bel Air is disgusting
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I'm still waiting for my check from Bel'Air. The clerk told me it will be ready within 2 weeks from the day I quit. I've called earlier just to make sure they are processing my forms. I was really infuriated at that time and I think I scared the clerk real bad.Originally posted by Life2BfUn:Hi, savedSoul did u manage to get back the refund? Could u share with us about their Annivesary & Award dinner on 20th May over here to us?
So far, what I lost is $1k for franchise rights. Actually I did not really lose the money, it's all converted to $1k of products which I find pretty highly priced. And I also lost about $400 for the fees for AAA's so called "brainwash" center. $60/mth til Dec. That money I tried to get it back but the "ducks" said I already signed the stupid form and I cannot get it back. It's their "rules". The thing that pissed me off is that on the form itself, there were no so called "rules & regulations" printed! I guess this is another way they can suck money from poor souls like us. That is why I suggest we make this a big news so that more people won't fall into this trap.
Lately I heard alot of people are quitting from AAA. I guess more and more people are waking up from their "slumber" and wish to get out. I really hope AAA close down and those people who run the center be trialled in court for operating a Pyramid Scheme in disguise. -
I went to listen to the speech made by Bel Air ppl posted on the net, I dont find the speech motivating or convincing, sounds more like a fish monger auntie shouting.
I went for the NDO and OPP conducted by LB ppl at JB, they do have much better and powerful speakers compare to BA. Dont misunderstood me, I'm not promoting LB, just to express my personal feel of both company. The Dukes at LB seems to be better of than BA, cause at their level they dont need to do recruit anymore. -
Even DCHL has a better website compare to BA.
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http://lampebergerhelp.blogspot.com/Originally posted by Duke Slayer:I went to listen to the speech made by Bel Air ppl posted on the net, I dont find the speech motivating or convincing, sounds more like a fish monger auntie shouting.
I went for the NDO and OPP conducted by LB ppl at JB, they do have much better and powerful speakers compare to BA. Dont misunderstood me, I'm not promoting LB, just to express my personal feel of both company. The Dukes at LB seems to be better of than BA, cause at their level they dont need to do recruit anymore.
http://antilampeberger.blogspot.com/
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i find it strange too. while other mlm people are defending their companies, look what B'A had done to its people? i think that after listening to "dicks" brainwashing, no bel'airian actually knows how to access to outside world anymoreOriginally posted by VeryFree1:If they think that they are "so good", come & prove us wrong lah. If they dare to defend & convience everyone that what they are doing is right & enthical, they will get the respect from forumers & he or she will have more prospects. I was told some "Speakers" very powerful (or powderful?) But so far........
or the "dicks" are afraid that the truths are even more powerful than their brainwashing sessions that the active members are forbidden to access to other information sources...hmm, didn't know that the fish monger auntie is so dictatorship and "kiasi"
so i presumed that all that we had discussed in this forum is true then? all the poor souls who are still active, if you may chance upon this thread, PLEASE WAKE UP!!!!! you are trained to obey 100% and picture B'A as the ultimate euthopia, but after you left, you cannot but agreed with us that its a hell in disguise. "tio bo"? -
Becos LB "Dua Pau" (tell lias) better then BA. So they cover & hide more thing ma. After you cut count , then you will know.Originally posted by Duke Slayer:Even DCHL has a better website compare to BA.
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LB (elder brother Huang Shu Xiong) = BA (younger brother Huang Shu Li)Originally posted by VeryFree1:Becos LB "Dua Pau" (tell lias) better then BA. So they cover & hide more thing ma. After you cut count , then you will know.
For you guys info, they belongs to the same distributor years ago, until younger brother huang shu li decided to form BA (can't fulfill his greed, need to suck more $$). Basically all the com plan, products, even the way they con people is the same. DO NOT ATTEND TO ATTEND TO JOIN LB ALSO.
Recently 1 friend tried to "A" me, asking me to attend his "glamarous" LB conference in Sentosa (he din know my background). He said that they will reserve the WHOLE sentosa just for this conference. PUI!!! reserve siloso beach for BBQ then more like it. WHOLE Sentosa? In another thread, the leader also claimed that he'll book helicopter to fetch his guests and close Orchard Road for this events. All craps, all these will only happen if my "2nd brother" manages to touch the floor while standing!! pui!! pui!!
I know that i'm out of topic here, but since LB=BA (RM$30K / clown), equally stink, equally "tua pao sian" , all should know -
they are sama sama, lets reserve this thread for BA. and discuss LB in this threadOriginally posted by remychan:http://lampebergerhelp.blogspot.com/
http://antilampeberger.blogspot.com/
a lot of issue i think u don know yet..even worst than BA
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lets reserve this thread for BA, LB discussions can be done at the below threadOriginally posted by remychan:http://lampebergerhelp.blogspot.com/
http://antilampeberger.blogspot.com/
a lot of issue i think u don know yet..even worst than BA
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=189843