Bel' Air
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Originally posted by fganti:
what is the 'he' whom duke don is referring to doing?! the girl loved him so much and imo, her love was being used! 100k of debts. what the hell is these ppl thinking of? are they sending her to die or what? the poor girl. i wonder how is she doing now.
There a Marquis inside, she was ask to cut 1+5 twice. Duke Don sat down with her and said "[b]DO YOU LOVE HIM? IF YES DO YOU WANT TO HELP HIM, TRUST AND BELIEVE US!", end up she in debt over 100k SGD. Sometimes crying at the stairway near lvl 3.
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Originally posted by chokolatte:
None of the above.
"Direct selling is the sale of a consumer product or service, person-to-person, away from a fixed retail location. It is a popular alternative to traditional employment for those seeking to supplement their household income, or whose responsibilities or circumstances do not allow for regular part-time or full-time employment," said Mr Tan.
[b]Pyramid selling on the other hand, requires participants to make a lump sum payment upfront to join the scheme, and the driving force to recoup the initial fee is the recruitment of more members, rather than the sale of goods and services. Many participants lost huge amounts of money under the scheme, and subsequently an Act was passed in 1973, declaring pyramid selling illegal in Singapore.
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Strictly speaking, Pyramid Selling does not involve the sales of goods and services. There should be a third definition for Disguised Pyramid Scheme:
Disguised Pyramid selling on the other hand, requires participants to make a lump sum payment upfront($12K or $72K) to join the scheme (Count, "1+5" ) and the driving force to recoup the initial fee is the recruitment of more members(Counts), rather than the sale of goods and services. Many participants lost huge amounts of money under the scheme, and an Act should be passed in 2006/2007, declaring Disguised pyramid selling illegal in Singapore.
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Originally posted by k2wanviet:
Yeah anybody here knows how to go about doing it? We can all petition to the authorities or something... reading about all this evil acts really make my blood boils!
None of the above.
Strictly speaking, Pyramid Selling does not involve the sales of goods and services. There should be a third definition for Disguised Pyramid Scheme:
[b]Disguised Pyramid selling on the other hand, requires participants to make a lump sum payment upfront($12K or $72K) to join the scheme (Count, "1+5" ) and the driving force to recoup the initial fee is the recruitment of more members(Counts), rather than the sale of goods and services. Many participants lost huge amounts of money under the scheme, and an Act should be passed in 2006/2007, declaring Disguised pyramid selling illegal in Singapore.
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Originally posted by k2wanviet:
there is a higher scheme: 1+15=200+ thousand targetted to those businessmen or naive people
None of the above.
Strictly speaking, Pyramid Selling does not involve the sales of goods and services. There should be a third definition for Disguised Pyramid Scheme:
[b]Disguised Pyramid selling on the other hand, requires participants to make a lump sum payment upfront($12K or $72K) to join the scheme (Count, "1+5" ) and the driving force to recoup the initial fee is the recruitment of more members(Counts), rather than the sale of goods and services. Many participants lost huge amounts of money under the scheme, and an Act should be passed in 2006/2007, declaring Disguised pyramid selling illegal in Singapore.
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sighs...
AAA stories just cant stop going on and on...
well authorities wont care, CAD speed is too slow, they do not offend DSAS rules...
AAA is really smart...
but well...
when u are smart, someone is always smarter...
i guess if given the chance if there are enough ppl to bring this matter up...
the best place to bring it up is to the newspapers..
look at Xin Min and Wan Bao aka the chinese papers..
the chinese papers are always 1st on to disclose such things...
ultimately, if ppl are aware of such con tricks and take precautions, then no one will go AAA and they will have to pack their bags up sooner or later..
i bet that taking this step and ability to put this up on papers will once and for all settle AAA into their graves..
i was originally like thinking that this matter is over..
but now after reading the new posts that are written..
i really feel that closure of this unethical group is the best way to stop ppl from suffering further...
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LATEST LIST OF HORRIBLE BEINGS IN AAA
Duke Diron Chua
Duke Leon Neo
Duke Ronald Lim
Duke Don Lim
Marquis Ong Kay Yong
Marquis Kenny Ong
Marquis Chua Wanyi
Marquis Mike Lim
Marquis Hwee Hwee
Marquis Guo Zijun Fion
C.Marquis Emmanuel
Any unethical marquis from FGN??
List them all out for ppl to know...
in case these ppl are friends of someone else... they can take precautions..
btw..
seems to me that there are a lot of friends of Baldwin here...
well if u guys do care about him as friends...
go show ur concern to that poor guy cos i think he is in really bad shape...
nevertheless...
everyone is friends from the beginning..
even thou paths may be different..
still can show ur concern as a friend..
Dont be like those heartless beings inside AAA who only think about $$$... -
Originally posted by dokono:
I first brought up the issue of Bel'Air promoting "1+15" investment that cost up to S$200,000 in August 2005:-
there is a higher scheme: [b]1+15=200+ thousand targetted to those businessmen or naive people[/b]
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=search&search_str=K2wanviet
I did not add in this time as I thought they would lie low after the bad publicity and I am not sure whether it is still on "promotion". Are they still promoting the "1+15"?
The "1+5" is bad enough.Those dastards should be prosecuted and punished for promoting the"1+15". Just hope no one is stupid enough to believe this get rich scheme.
AAA/Bel'Air for sure is running a Disguised Pyramid Scheme. Unlike the topic which I started and a Bel'Air Marquise trying hopelessly to defend, non has openly tried to defend this time. Why??? Simply, no one is running a smearing campaign against AAA/Bel'Air. What have been said about their unethical practices are all TRUTH. -
becos it is hard to fight against e truth
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yes the truth is hard to fight against -
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$$$$$ it $$$ that blind them lor
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I wonder if Baldwin is reading this. Just in case u are.
Do u know there are a lot of ppl whom u disregard as friends but are all concern about u. at least let them know that u are alive by replying an sms.
i don't really care thou u are the one who talked to me when i was there to see e biz cos i really don't care enough about u. but for those who care, cant u jus let them know how u are doing? -
Hi, newbie here.
I'm real glad that I stumbled upon this forum while researching on bel'air.
I was so close to being $12,000 in debt!
however, the friend that introduced me to this "business" is really sincere about it.... he really thinks that he can help me! i don't doubt his sincerity. but he is really..."into" the system.
but now that i think about it, why do they keep evading questions when i ask them how to raise the 12,000?
"don't worry, through legal means"
"what is your why? if your why is not strong enough, then no point talking about it!"
i know i'll be flamed if i say this, but i think that mlm is a good concept, IF and only IF everyone is ethical about it.
Sadly, bel'air system just cannot make it. I was too blinded by my ambition to even think about the faults in their system.
basically, once you join, you have to pull in more people to join. who are the biggest consumers now? the distributors. what will happen if the distributors leave? the whole system will collapse.
as simple as that.
why did i take so LONG to reason this out??? hai
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so you guys are saying Duke Diron, the Lim bros are people to avoid? what about the other dukes in Bel'air? Are they okay? Are there other dukes in AAA to avoid as well?
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Hi I'm new here, but if you guys planning to take action, count me in. I am sick of all these nonsense by that AAA group. If you guys meeting up to discuss this lets do it fast. But only communicate through phonecalls. I want to hear a human voice, not someone hiding behind a nick (who knows he might be an AAA crony)
I say its time we stop this crap.
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yes! count me in too!
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I was told tat one stupid idiot believe tis & cut 1+15 by evil Diron under evil Mike Lim group. Now tat 180K in the drain liao & all the evils suck BIG commission. There is why Diron Chua name always listed no. 1 , stink liaoOriginally posted by k2wanviet:I first brought up the issue of Bel'Air promoting "1+15" investment that cost up to S$200,000 in August 2005:-
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=search&search_str=K2wanviet
I did not add in this time as I thought they would lie low after the bad publicity and I am not sure whether it is still on "promotion". Are they still promoting the "1+15"?
The "1+5" is bad enough.Those dastards should be prosecuted and punished for promoting the"1+15". Just hope no one is stupid enough to believe this get rich scheme.
AAA/Bel'Air for sure is running a Disguised Pyramid Scheme. Unlike the topic which I started and a Bel'Air Marquise trying hopelessly to defend, non has openly tried to defend this time. Why??? Simply, no one is running a smearing campaign against AAA/Bel'Air. What have been said about their unethical practices are all TRUTH.
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It seems like it's getting from bad to worse. I am one of those who had taken up 1+5. Everyone who is new to mlm, I would like to say... yes they have a refund policy of 90% of initial investment for a period of 6months..
BUT
What they did not say is that if the uplines can't afford to pay, or don't want to pay, there is nothing you can do about it. You can just suck your thumb. It's another way of saying, "F**k off, this is your problem, not ours"
(Is my contract valid since certain terms and conditions are veiled from me when I signed it? They have deliberately withheld it from me...)
There are many more terms & conditions, many more sad stories... and I vouch that every single bad points brought up by everyone here IS true.
I hope that we can do something soon. I for one would want to organise somekind of meeting for all those interested in bringing those evil con men to their knees...
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Ya, That time I'm still there, that guy is a Cow under Mike's Group one of his cousin also thanks to me achieved to become "M". All long ago, this guy is not quite active althought he is a full timer and he had only cut 1 line which is his sis at that time, after few weeks his sis didn't come for any classes. Then when the promo of 1+5, then they encourage 1+15. This guy went to approach his ex-boss and under Diron's group, all "planned & act" then successfully cut 1+15 that also help Diron to achieved to become Duck. This guy 1+15 lines were named under a Company, since then for a couple of months we can see this guy as he a full timer cat walking around AAA areas, didn't bring in any people.Originally posted by VeryFree1:I was told tat one stupid idiot believe tis & cut 1+15 by evil Diron under evil Mike Lim group. Now tat 180K in the drain liao & all the evils suck BIG commission. There is why Diron Chua name always listed no. 1 , stink liao
So this B'A, especially AAA game is for rich people, anyone whose have huge $$$ can invested in just to achieve the statues with empty lines under you!!! And during that time under Diron's group alot of 1+5 propects been cut in, that was used to be his golden time, but times & days flew fast,
to hear some "unfortune" things happened to him. All his group are been scattered & messy now!!!!! -
[quote]Originally posted by Life2BfUn:
Ya, That time I'm still there, that guy is a Cow under Mike's Group one of his cousin also thanks to me achieved to become "M". All long ago, this guy is not quite active althought he is a full timer and he had only cut 1 line which is his sis at that time, after few weeks his sis didn't come for any classes. Then when the promo of 1+5, then they encourage 1+15. This guy went to approach his ex-boss and under Diron's group, all "planned & act" then successfully cut 1+15 that also help Diron to achieved to become Duck. This guy 1+15 lines were named under a Company, since then for a couple of months we can see this guy as he a full timer cat walking around AAA areas, didn't bring in any people.
So this B'A, especially AAA game is for rich people, anyone whose have huge $$$ can invested in just to achieve the statues with empty lines under you!!! And during that time under Diron's group alot of 1+5 propects been cut in, that was used to be his golden time, but times & days flew fast, to hear some "unfortune" things happened to him. All his group are been scattered & messy now!!!!
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Originally posted by k2wanviet:
it doesn't matter if not everyone can be saved because some people will still believe their so-called stories. as long as one person can be saved we should be happy.
[quote]Originally posted by Life2BfUn:
[b]Ya, That time I'm still there, that guy is a Cow under Mike's Group one of his cousin also thanks to me achieved to become "M". All long ago, this guy is not quite active althought he is a full timer and he had only cut 1 line which is his sis at that time, after few weeks his sis didn't come for any classes. Then when the promo of 1+5, then they encourage 1+15. This guy went to approach his ex-boss and under Diron's group, all "planned & act" then successfully cut 1+15 that also help Diron to achieved to become Duck. This guy 1+15 lines were named under a Company, since then for a couple of months we can see this guy as he a full timer cat walking around AAA areas, didn't bring in any people.
So this B'A, especially AAA game is for rich people, anyone whose have huge $$$ can invested in just to achieve the statues with empty lines under you!!! And during that time under Diron's group alot of 1+5 propects been cut in, that was used to be his golden time, but times & days flew fast, to hear some "unfortune" things happened to him. All his group are been scattered & messy now!!!!![/quote
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Earlier, many of us were waiting for big new that will rock AAA's Diron Group.
Now you mentioned that "unfortunate" things has happened and his group is now scattered and messy. The " Jaguar " has become toothless
It seems AAA/Bel'Air is sinking fast . Thanks to SgForum for providing an avenue to expose an unscrupulous company running a Disguised Pyramid.
We did not plot against AAA/Bel'Air. It's reputation is now one of the most stinking in the whole MLM industry.
Like I have always said, they are digging their own grave for promoting the "Count","1+5" and "1+15". The leaders are idiotic to think the scam are going to turn them into millonaires. They have no one to blame but themselves for their eventual downfall.
The last 2 days have been an eye opener with many new forumers joining and condemning their comtemptible acts. I am sure more people will choose to believe us and recruitment numbers will dwindle:- No Count >> No Money and the network will just collapse. Let's see
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Well...
I said before that i do not wish to post the story up..
but after reading so much...
I guess its fair that everything is being brought up to be scruntinise..
I didnt post this thing earlier on is because the fact that it had not happen!
Thats why ppl whom read it might think that its untrue..
But anyway...
Diron Chua always like to boast to ppl about his jaguar isn't it? And he always said he live in condo in bukit timah...
Well...
Here comes the fact..
Condo in bukit timah had already long been sold..
dunno where the hell he is living right now but quite sure he is eagerly looking for a new place to live..
As for the jaguar,
i heard from sources that he was intending to sell it off in order to pay his debts.
In fact, it was said that he was quite heavy in debts.
He tried to push the price high and i think thats the reason why it isnt sold yet.
And another thing, ever wonder how Diron Chua manage to challenge duke?
he pump in the money himself to buy up a Marquis position under him...
something similar to a 1+15.
These are all facts that are unescapable..
I tried using these to verify with my upline Marquis.
He put it in another way that Diron Chua indeed is wanting to sell his car but the reason because is he wanted to change a new car. And truth is he is not in need to sell it at all...
if thats the case, y bother to sell it in the first place?
Furthermore, i've met up with another sideline for dinner once.
Without even near AAA topic, she started to explain to me how busy is Diron Chua everyday going around looking at houses and new cars because he wanted to change them liao...
Wonder ifs shes blind & deaf or just simply stupid?
Obviously my upline marquis knows and afraid i could use this news and affect my sidelines and thus come up with such a stupid story to hide everything from them..
How rubbish...
So when he really sel his jaguar, everything will come to light..
But i wonder he still dare to sell it, because if he does then he got to come up with so much excuses..
And also,
all the blind downlines...
take a look at all the uplines..
no one is being true to themselves at all..
living their life in a pack of lies..
if u all really like to believe them so much,
continue to stay in ur dreams..
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Originally posted by ForsakenBeing:
I've been reading this thread for some time now and am really curious: Who is this Baldwin guy and what about the RX8 incident? Convenient to say here or not? Or can PM me
seems to me that there are a lot of friends of Baldwin here...
well if u guys do care about him as friends...
go show ur concern to that poor guy cos i think he is in really bad shape...
nevertheless...
everyone is friends from the beginning..
even thou paths may be different..
still can show ur concern as a friend..
Dont be like those heartless beings inside AAA who only think about $$$...
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