CAD officially investigates NTI and EGA
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in what way i dont understand?Originally posted by emcom:Thats why i said, up to you to decide.
u just sums up u dun understand the reality n dun understand MLM.
as usual, you cant put reason why, so u end off by concluding?
so, in another words, what i have been saying is right -
I believe the whole 4 years of your antiNTI was all by conclusions..Originally posted by laurence82:in what way i dont understand?
as usual, you cant put reason why, so u end off by concluding?
so, in another words, what i have been saying is right
you didn't have any real proof only words.. hmmm i believe you are speaking about yourself.. -
you believe? so its not reality but your perceptionsOriginally posted by christopher_rf:I believe the whole 4 years of your antiNTI was all by conclusions..
you didn't have any real proof only words.. hmmm i believe you are speaking about yourself..
proof? already got...tell me you become a millionaire four years from your join date lor
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self-denial?Originally posted by laurence82:self declare? 
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hanorOriginally posted by kokov:self-denial? 
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Originally posted by laurence82:in what way i dont understand?
as usual, you cant put reason why, so u end off by concluding?
so, in another words, what i have been saying is right
After a few days chat with you, my perception on you is that, you dun understand the reality of MLM. Not even say anything near to what SE concept.
You can keep on being a "niu jiao jian" against SE.
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I know many pro-mlmers come to this forums. Emcom, trying to say ppl like laurence don know much about mlm ? You ppl are too afraid that this forum prevent ppl from joining mlm. I gone thru several mlm company & know their tricks. Lots of they keep telling their new distributor that ppl who are against mlm are losers or ppl who failed. These are bullshit, just techniques to prevent victims from listening to good advice to leave or not to join mlm. Any more techniques?Originally posted by emcom:
After a few days chat with you, my perception on you is that, you dun understand the reality of MLM. Not even say anything near to what SE concept.
You can keep on being a "niu jiao jian" against SE.
Btw, many anti-mlmers like me do succeed in mlm but choose to leave after discovering that most mlms are disguised pyramid scams.
Next step is to claim that i know nothing much aabout mlm, not all mlm are pyramid scam, or saying mlm are legal else why government did not ban it?
All these techniques are too cheap! What a shame for those who promote "mlm" pyramid scams. -
look who's talkingOriginally posted by emcom:
After a few days chat with you, my perception on you is that, you dun understand the reality of MLM. Not even say anything near to what SE concept.
You can keep on being a "niu jiao jian" against SE.
the novice talking against the people who know their stuff.
for you to make such a comment.
YOU than know NOTHING about mlm.
Naive, Greedy are the terms which I'll use to describe those poeple in this company and that includes some other company like Belair.
If you don't know than don't act like you know.
Disclaimer: I'm not pin-pointing on you, but rather, before you make such a comment, can u even answer to the replies which we posted in forums? If you can't, you don't even have the BASIC Level of MLM knowledge. Let alone business (that's what Emcom Claims to be - when I went down there) -
how many have you gone to?Originally posted by RachelX:I know many pro-mlmers come to this forums. Emcom, trying to say ppl like laurence don know much about mlm ? You ppl are too afraid that this forum prevent ppl from joining mlm. I gone thru several mlm company & know their tricks. Lots of they keep telling their new distributor that ppl who are against mlm are losers or ppl who failed. These are bullshit, just techniques to prevent victims from listening to good advice to leave or not to join mlm. Any more techniques?
Btw, many anti-mlmers like me do succeed in mlm but choose to leave after discovering that most mlms are disguised pyramid scams.
Next step is to claim that i know nothing much aabout mlm, not all mlm are pyramid scam, or saying mlm are legal else why government did not ban it?
All these techniques are too cheap! What a shame for those who promote "mlm" pyramid scams.
I've being to 15, still in the process of going to more companies.
PS: Don't ask me what companies I have gone to for I will not Reveal it to protect my professionlism of Bad-Name the company. (But if it's really Illegeal, I will not hestitate to High-Light and Go hard on the Company)
There are lots of methods by which Intermediate Level of Agents who can hide their tatics before new rookies, acting for 1st - Good Impression.
But through-out interaction and observation of going to various different companies, I've captured a few points that can identify the negative points or force the agent to reveal the negative points to me.
Disclaimer: I'm not bragging, but rather, I learnt this method when I was still a novince back than, haha, luckily i can remember all the faults of distributors. (Thanks to the painful lesson which made me to remember MLM Scam/Trick Tatics by hard) to prevent me myself from being cheated again.
Btw, for people who choose to leave mlm, all i can comment is that they have yet to find a company which meets their criteria.
I know I have, and I'm proud of being in the company.
(All my frens knows I'm in MLM, but they didn't avoid me at all - that's the best part.)
Haha..
Perhaps one day you might find yours.
But even when you find it, make sure u find a good upline, coz if have all the best stuff, but no guidance also = as good as nothing.
so u have to observe and think carefully. -
Dear all,
I've been looking into this SE thing for some time now because it's catching up really fast with the people in Singapore. Apparently though, the maths just doesn't work out for SE, they will not be able to support their cash outflow in due time, as much as they try to convince people that they will be paid through the projects in Taiwan. For that I must still thank SE for their magnanimity, for coming to Singapore and letting us earn off the people in Taiwan paying for their contracts and what not. For many of the SE agents posting online, I would say thus far it has been a dismal mistake, given the lack of professionalism shown and clear sense of low qualification, need I say education. Just explains why they have no other way to earn money and use this to boost whatever ego that's left to boast about. It puzzles me how Singaporeans are still willing to part with their money to such people, and 11k for GPs indeed! The education system may be going on to cyber schools and the like, but we still have those left so far behind.
I like what SE did with their office, especially the huge poster of lions and the new people streaming in. Ooooh, SE agents, did u get that innuendo? Still thinking it looks so majestic does it not? A lot of people tell me seeing is believing, but an office like that can easily be funded by well, 5GPs? At least people now know where their money is going, nice office in cosy HDB hub. Will we have gold taps in the offices too I wonder?
So many of us have lost track of the purpose of this thread, and in others too about SE. Inasmuch as people are frustrated and slamming SE, nothing is done, and we get useless point-scoring arguments between SE agents and outsiders. Whatever happened to CAD, CASE, or now I heard, that 95.8FM investigation?
The thing is this my friends. Pressure CAD to come up with an official statement. CAD is meant to serve the people, as do the media as the independent fourth estate of a state, and we should seek their help in helping us solve this mystery. If CAD says that there isn't anything to go against SE, then the whole Singapore, all happy 4million (smiles) of us should just throw in whatever money we have to support this wireless project in Taiwan. It's amazing how much money we put in and yet the governments don't seem to be shaking hands over this.
We know how SE will respond, seeing how they cannot cope with the cash outflow. They will close the GPs, and get ready to run.
No point calling SE a scam, because their agents will insist on meeting you 1-on-1, and they will insist that you provide evidence when they themselves fail to do so. The elusive James Phang will always be somewhere as the great holy President, and his knights and representatives, Regional Business Managers for example, will be around to ease your fears *blink blink* So friends, keep it up and keep calling your favourite radio stations, keep blogging, keep writing to the press and let's help SE do a bit advertising shall we. If SE is that good, we should help spread the word. If it isn't then these foreign knaves should stop manipulating Singaporeans and just leave. Remember people, the key is to raise SE to the national level, and let our friendly govt help us deal with this fiasco too.
James Phang made a revolution in creating a fantasy world for the weak and helpless. I say, let's join hands creating a revolution to rid him once and for all.
P/S: Oh darling SE agents, here's a link for you: www.dictionary.com. And I so love your SE website - the Spore and HK sites are almost carbon copies! Not to mention all the cool presentations - "Wealth you cannot denial (sic)", complete with enrapturing music from Pirates of the Caribbean to keep people at the edge of their seats! Awesome work guys! Cheers. -
Originally posted by the_fallen:
Ya both of you can shake hand. Naive?
look who's talking
the novice talking against the people who know their stuff.
for you to make such a comment.
YOU than know NOTHING about mlm.
Naive, Greedy are the terms which I'll use to describe those poeple in this company and that includes some other company like Belair.
If you don't know than don't act like you know.
[b]Disclaimer: I'm not pin-pointing on you, but rather, before you make such a comment, can u even answer to the replies which we posted in forums? If you can't, you don't even have the BASIC Level of MLM knowledge. Let alone business (that's what Emcom Claims to be - when I went down there)[/b]
I already mention days ago.. n im still waiting for the past question? Lau ask me to read from page 1... Im not to start any quarrel or even close to def SE yet. All this while, its im being challenged by lau.
btw u dun have to stick that disclaimer thing to show u are really that neutral. if u are not guility of what u posted against someone. Or it shows that u try to be against something yet dare not openly post it. -
Hi,Originally posted by RachelX:I know many pro-mlmers come to this forums. Emcom, trying to say ppl like laurence don know much about mlm ? You ppl are too afraid that this forum prevent ppl from joining mlm. I gone thru several mlm company & know their tricks. Lots of they keep telling their new distributor that ppl who are against mlm are losers or ppl who failed. These are bullshit, just techniques to prevent victims from listening to good advice to leave or not to join mlm. Any more techniques?
Btw, many anti-mlmers like me do succeed in mlm but choose to leave after discovering that most mlms are disguised pyramid scams.
Next step is to claim that i know nothing much aabout mlm, not all mlm are pyramid scam, or saying mlm are legal else why government did not ban it?
All these techniques are too cheap! What a shame for those who promote "mlm" pyramid scams.
From what lau posted and you who post only shows what kind of exposure level you are in.
But no one is a loser even if they dun join MLM.. he/she will be only a loser when he/she cannot make it in mlm and start to bad mouth the whole industry. They are just ppl who cannot accept they "fail".
thats why i said lau dun understand the reality on network marketing in general, not just SE. -
u might have to wait for a very long time before your wish come.. erm..it might not even come true! Just stay ard lo.. many ppl likes to see whats happening and sort of arguement on forums. Many of the ppl will keep you guys entertained.Originally posted by shapeshifter:Dear all,
I've been looking into this SE thing for some time now because it's catching up really fast with the people in Singapore. Apparently though, the maths just doesn't work out for SE, they will not be able to support their cash outflow in due time, as much as they try to convince people that they will be paid through the projects in Taiwan. For that I must still thank SE for their magnanimity, for coming to Singapore and letting us earn off the people in Taiwan paying for their contracts and what not. For many of the SE agents posting online, I would say thus far it has been a dismal mistake, given the lack of professionalism shown and clear sense of low qualification, need I say education. Just explains why they have no other way to earn money and use this to boost whatever ego that's left to boast about. It puzzles me how Singaporeans are still willing to part with their money to such people, and 11k for GPs indeed! The education system may be going on to cyber schools and the like, but we still have those left so far behind.
I like what SE did with their office, especially the huge poster of lions and the new people streaming in. Ooooh, SE agents, did u get that innuendo? Still thinking it looks so majestic does it not? A lot of people tell me seeing is believing, but an office like that can easily be funded by well, 5GPs? At least people now know where their money is going, nice office in cosy HDB hub. Will we have gold taps in the offices too I wonder?
So many of us have lost track of the purpose of this thread, and in others too about SE. Inasmuch as people are frustrated and slamming SE, nothing is done, and we get useless point-scoring arguments between SE agents and outsiders. Whatever happened to CAD, CASE, or now I heard, that 95.8FM investigation?
The thing is this my friends. Pressure CAD to come up with an official statement. CAD is meant to serve the people, as do the media as the independent fourth estate of a state, and we should seek their help in helping us solve this mystery. If CAD says that there isn't anything to go against SE, then the whole Singapore, all happy 4million (smiles) of us should just throw in whatever money we have to support this wireless project in Taiwan. It's amazing how much money we put in and yet the governments don't seem to be shaking hands over this.
We know how SE will respond, seeing how they cannot cope with the cash outflow. They will close the GPs, and get ready to run.
No point calling SE a scam, because their agents will insist on meeting you 1-on-1, and they will insist that you provide evidence when they themselves fail to do so. The elusive James Phang will always be somewhere as the great holy President, and his knights and representatives, Regional Business Managers for example, will be around to ease your fears *blink blink* So friends, keep it up and keep calling your favourite radio stations, keep blogging, keep writing to the press and let's help SE do a bit advertising shall we. If SE is that good, we should help spread the word. If it isn't then these foreign knaves should stop manipulating Singaporeans and just leave. Remember people, the key is to raise SE to the national level, and let our friendly govt help us deal with this fiasco too.
James Phang made a revolution in creating a fantasy world for the weak and helpless. I say, let's join hands creating a revolution to rid him once and for all.
P/S: Oh darling SE agents, here's a link for you: www.dictionary.com. And I so love your SE website - the Spore and HK sites are almost carbon copies! Not to mention all the cool presentations - "Wealth you cannot denial (sic)", complete with enrapturing music from Pirates of the Caribbean to keep people at the edge of their seats! Awesome work guys! Cheers. -
just came back from ipoh?
who wants ipoh snacks can pm me
as for yesterday and today's posts, and which i briefly went through, i must say rachelx, shapeshifter and fallen made some good points
i am not saying they are 100% right or in agreement with one another, but i wish somebody here (you all know who) do read their points and make the same kind of intellectual arguments
its not point for the someone to come here and personally flame and divert issues away
who cares if the fallen, rachelx or this laurence82 are novices or not, as long as they raise valid issues and someone dont answer to those issues, their points still stand
its not point coming in here with clones and troll the forums, causing mod to ban several nicks
and i must say, personal flaming or ad hominem arguments are one of the oldest tricks in the book to divert attention away
SE didnt sue 95.8 FM, so we can safely say 95.8 FM is correct
therefore, its imperative that everyone knows that joining pyramids scams are illegal, even as a participant -
Emcom, nice of you to reply.Originally posted by emcom:u might have to wait for a very long time before your wish come.. erm..it might not even come true! Just stay ard lo.. many ppl likes to see whats happening and sort of arguement on forums. Many of the ppl will keep you guys entertained.
I bet you are the one wishing that we will have to wait for a long time before it happens, not me. Are you scared emcom, that the intelligentsia of singapore are rising to take you on, people who don't go "many pple likes (sic)" and "sort of arguEment (sic)"? Alas, the influence of poor powerpoint presentations again.
It's not me to stay around and watch. I'm here to accelerate the process dear boy. Are you sure you can trust all your SE agents and managers, because I've got people in there claiming to work and die for SE, when actually, they're with me. Life's a play, and SE is just a scene that we should end soon.
The actors are moving. -
Funny what issue did I avoid..Originally posted by laurence82:just came back from ipoh?
who wants ipoh snacks can pm me
as for yesterday and today's posts, and which i briefly went through, i must say rachelx, shapeshifter and fallen made some good points
i am not saying they are 100% right or in agreement with one another, but i wish somebody here (you all know who) do read their points and make the same kind of intellectual arguments
its not point for the someone to come here and personally flame and divert issues away
who cares if the fallen, rachelx or this laurence82 are novices or not, as long as they raise valid issues and someone dont answer to those issues, their points still stand
its not point coming in here with clones and troll the forums, causing mod to ban several nicks
and i must say, personal flaming or ad hominem arguments are one of the oldest tricks in the book to divert attention away
SE didnt sue 95.8 FM, so we can safely say 95.8 FM is correct
therefore, its imperative that everyone knows that joining pyramids scams are illegal, even as a participant
As for you guys, u should be hapi that im still willing to entertain u all even bad remarks.
Lau, 1 things i reallt must prise u for.. u are best in assuming.. haha!
Make gd use of tat ability, u might make it big! -
After i pointed out the issues you missed, you got the cheek to come back after a delay to ask me again
I bet SE agents got nothing to prove
Is this a desperate attempt after the 95.8 FM broadcast?
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U got nothing to prove eitherOriginally posted by laurence82:After i pointed out the issues you missed, you got the cheek to come back after a delay to ask me again
I bet SE agents got nothing to prove
Is this a desperate attempt after the 95.8 FM broadcast? What is there to delay.. why I do not have the cheek to come and post here? U dare to stay ard here so long proving nothing much either! You think you own this thread ar? haha
Its does matter the news is reporting about us, bec it also doesnt prove anything, and its an speculation just like you like to assume. -
Like i said, i dont have duty to proveOriginally posted by emcom:U got nothing to prove either What is there to delay.. why I do not have the cheek to come and post here? U dare to stay ard here so long proving nothing much either!
Its does matter the news is reporting about us, bec it also doesnt prove anything, and its an speculation just like you like to assume.
I am not the one marketing the scheme anyway
People raise issues, affliates are clueless...these are dangerous points
News report are not speculations, if got guts go sue 95.8
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Im not here to market anything to you. So why are you keep forcing me to prove anything to you?Originally posted by laurence82:Like i said, i dont have duty to prove
I am not the one marketing the scheme anyway
People raise issues, affliates are clueless...these are dangerous points
News report are not speculations, if got guts go sue 95.8
People are rising issue in forum, is it thru a proper channel? And you guys like to point out SE ppl are just independent affiliates, so whats make u want to hear from Se ppl online here? -
Again, if anyone is to market or defend their company, they have duty to prove anything they said to the public
Remember, if you were to sell your stuff, you owe it to the society to support you, it will be rather idiotic to think the society owes you a living and must prove to you why you are wrong instead
Again, can see someone is rather a novice in this area
So if emcom do not wish to defend and only chat, we can safely ignore him
He doesnt wish to talk about anything in line with the discussions anyway -
I must agree with your first paraOriginally posted by RachelX:I know many pro-mlmers come to this forums. Emcom, trying to say ppl like laurence don know much about mlm ? You ppl are too afraid that this forum prevent ppl from joining mlm. I gone thru several mlm company & know their tricks. Lots of they keep telling their new distributor that ppl who are against mlm are losers or ppl who failed. These are bullshit, just techniques to prevent victims from listening to good advice to leave or not to join mlm. Any more techniques?
Btw, many anti-mlmers like me do succeed in mlm but choose to leave after discovering that most mlms are disguised pyramid scams.
Next step is to claim that i know nothing much aabout mlm, not all mlm are pyramid scam, or saying mlm are legal else why government did not ban it?
All these techniques are too cheap! What a shame for those who promote "mlm" pyramid scams.
Often i have reiterated that these people come here to ruin the progess of discussions, so as to prevent people from knowing more about their shady activities
We have to spread the message to more people and wait and see who is actually 'successful' from such schemes. -
Originally posted by the_fallen:
Flaming to divert attention
[b]Disclaimer: I'm not pin-pointing on you, but rather, before you make such a comment, can u even answer to the replies which we posted in forums? If you can't, you don't even have the BASIC Level of MLM knowledge. Let alone business (that's what Emcom Claims to be - when I went down there)[/b]
Should be one of the oldest trick in their books -
CAD isnt exactly making moves against errant MLM companies, and even declare they will be focusing more on other white collar crimes.Originally posted by shapeshifter:Dear all,
I've been looking into this SE thing for some time now because it's catching up really fast with the people in Singapore. Apparently though, the maths just doesn't work out for SE, they will not be able to support their cash outflow in due time, as much as they try to convince people that they will be paid through the projects in Taiwan. For that I must still thank SE for their magnanimity, for coming to Singapore and letting us earn off the people in Taiwan paying for their contracts and what not. For many of the SE agents posting online, I would say thus far it has been a dismal mistake, given the lack of professionalism shown and clear sense of low qualification, need I say education. Just explains why they have no other way to earn money and use this to boost whatever ego that's left to boast about. It puzzles me how Singaporeans are still willing to part with their money to such people, and 11k for GPs indeed! The education system may be going on to cyber schools and the like, but we still have those left so far behind.
I like what SE did with their office, especially the huge poster of lions and the new people streaming in. Ooooh, SE agents, did u get that innuendo? Still thinking it looks so majestic does it not? A lot of people tell me seeing is believing, but an office like that can easily be funded by well, 5GPs? At least people now know where their money is going, nice office in cosy HDB hub. Will we have gold taps in the offices too I wonder?
So many of us have lost track of the purpose of this thread, and in others too about SE. Inasmuch as people are frustrated and slamming SE, nothing is done, and we get useless point-scoring arguments between SE agents and outsiders. Whatever happened to CAD, CASE, or now I heard, that 95.8FM investigation?
The thing is this my friends. Pressure CAD to come up with an official statement. CAD is meant to serve the people, as do the media as the independent fourth estate of a state, and we should seek their help in helping us solve this mystery. If CAD says that there isn't anything to go against SE, then the whole Singapore, all happy 4million (smiles) of us should just throw in whatever money we have to support this wireless project in Taiwan. It's amazing how much money we put in and yet the governments don't seem to be shaking hands over this.
We know how SE will respond, seeing how they cannot cope with the cash outflow. They will close the GPs, and get ready to run.
No point calling SE a scam, because their agents will insist on meeting you 1-on-1, and they will insist that you provide evidence when they themselves fail to do so. The elusive James Phang will always be somewhere as the great holy President, and his knights and representatives, Regional Business Managers for example, will be around to ease your fears *blink blink* So friends, keep it up and keep calling your favourite radio stations, keep blogging, keep writing to the press and let's help SE do a bit advertising shall we. If SE is that good, we should help spread the word. If it isn't then these foreign knaves should stop manipulating Singaporeans and just leave. Remember people, the key is to raise SE to the national level, and let our friendly govt help us deal with this fiasco too.
James Phang made a revolution in creating a fantasy world for the weak and helpless. I say, let's join hands creating a revolution to rid him once and for all.
P/S: Oh darling SE agents, here's a link for you: www.dictionary.com. And I so love your SE website - the Spore and HK sites are almost carbon copies! Not to mention all the cool presentations - "Wealth you cannot denial (sic)", complete with enrapturing music from Pirates of the Caribbean to keep people at the edge of their seats! Awesome work guys! Cheers.
Just wait for the bubble to burst when many people got cheated out of their money from disguised pyramid scams?
But nice post there really -
hoho... then it will be rather more idiotic that someone are not convince about something and insist someone might prove something to change that person's mind.Originally posted by laurence82:Again, if anyone is to market or defend their company, they have duty to prove anything they said to the public
Remember, if you were to sell your stuff, you owe it to the society to support you, it will be rather idiotic to think the society owes you a living and must prove to you why you are wrong instead
Again, can see someone is rather a novice in this area
So if emcom do not wish to defend and only chat, we can safely ignore him
He doesnt wish to talk about anything in line with the discussions anyway
You dun even know what u are asking here, "got guts go sue 95.8".. rather childish act! If you wanna make this kind of comment, go and call up JP and ask him why lo..
(Disclaimer: Not to Tee down your reputation, but the recent chat here from really makes you sounds like someone out of mlm industry, and yet acting like a some experience industry players. And the way you post rather always involve some nice technique that provoke others. Thats how others not so experience forum users fall for you tricks n get banned in some way. Bec sometime i really feel like scolding you as u are just like living in your world talking to urself. After 4 yrs, maybe you should reflect on yourself, the way you behave and maybe ur character.. So you dun take it to heart what i said, but i realise since no one ever mention to you, thats why you become like that.)