CAD officially investigates NTI and EGA
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hmm.. i'm back
Shapeshifter, the 'correct', or taught method in which the agents on our side present is that the amount they pay for is purchasing for a package comprising the EmCall service plus Mall Points. Presentations which emphasise -only- on "Rewards Programs" and "Loyalty Programs" that promise big "investment returns" should be discouraged, and are considered a form of misrepresentation.Originally posted by shapeshifter:And we hear the GPs are paying USD66 per month (or deducted from their rebate) for Emcall services. Why is it that no one in SE realise they're really in fact paying for this callback service, this service which was already started by a few companies but not popular with Sporeans? On top of that they've already parted with 11k, boo hoo hoo.
Instead, they're showered with idealistic and ridiculous "rhetoric" like this:
"So, if you ask me, should I look at $12000 being deducted $66 monthly for 4 years or it is the beginning of Loyalty Program payment of $60000, I rather choose to look forward to the payment of Loyalty Program and besides its more money involved for us."
EmCom is currently looking to expand server space to accomodate the volume of calls made through EmCall. The volume of calls is the reason why there are possible lapses in quality in current calls.
And if anyone wishes to ask why there are frequent alterations to the plan, i would just like that say that the company management frequently reviews the feasibility of current plans and makes necessary changes if the plan is unsatisfactory or when the integrity (pls dun snigger.) of the company is undermined. Changes are made for the benefit of its members, so if anyone here doesn't understand why a specific change was being made this year, voice it out and i'll answer it. I'm not going to leaf through dozens of pages of trolling and rebuttals.
I hope my answer has been sufficiently concise. *nods to laurence*
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sure got more rebutt from the anti sunshine members here la.. haha dun waste ur time proctor, anyway emcom limited has acquired a listed company in HK!.. Cheers!
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True, there were numerous third party providers like these, but somehow they do not have the infrastructure the local telecoms have, putting the price and quality in doubt. Especially the price, when I see packages being introduced at 12k, you got to wonder why are people paying hefty sums when you could be pay under $50 $100 bucks monthly for your own bills from local telecoms.Originally posted by shapeshifter:It's funny how "christopher" consistently encourages "emcom" to "chiong sales". From magnanimity in wanting to share wealth to chasing people for their money, what is this world coming to.
It's really so sad when the top people continually change their approach and the rest blindly follow their lead and believe every single rubbish thrown at them. From the potentially successful Taichung project, the company is suddenly shifting it's focus to Emcom and Emcall, saying that it would enable it to be listed in HK by the end of the year. I wonder if they mean in the HKSE or commercial affairs blacklist.
From their official forum:
"I understand from the recent meeting that Mr. James Phang wants us to get back our returns in a shortest time possible, so this EmCall will enable EMCOM to be listed in HK faster rather than to wait for Taichung, Jan 2008 and Taipei, sometime 2009 to be ready and generate handsome profit for us."
And we hear the GPs are paying USD66 per month (or deducted from their rebate) for Emcall services. Why is it that no one in SE realise they're really in fact paying for this callback service, this service which was already started by a few companies but not popular with Sporeans? On top of that they've already parted with 11k, boo hoo hoo.
Instead, they're showered with idealistic and ridiculous "rhetoric" like this:
"So, if you ask me, should I look at $12000 being deducted $66 monthly for 4 years or it is the beginning of Loyalty Program payment of $60000, I rather choose to look forward to the payment of Loyalty Program and besides its more money involved for us."
Anyway, Emcall is hopeless, the quality is poor and calls keep getting disconnected or disrupted. I know because two of my friends keep trying to show it off to me, though very much in vain often times. SingTel ain't dumb, and for once, I'm so glad we've got the real people looking out for us and stopping these scam buggers.
Oh, and when my friend tried to ask her upline about the complaints and open doubts that were aired on 95.8FM sometime ago, they (SE) told her it's a stunt pulled by one of their rivals who is "doing something very similar". HAHA. Talk about evasion man, this sunshine empire sure is dodgy even to their own members.
Then come the issue of rewards points, which doesnt make more sense, and your point regarding incentives to earn. They seem to shift between the lines of earning and purchasing.
As for putting up a conspiracy theory that a rival firm did it, I am not surprised SE agent would say such things
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Its not about concise. You are just being politically correct, or give general statements...which doesnt really answer the question of what was really being done at the marketing side, or why they are changing the plans frequently.Originally posted by Procter:hmm.. i'm back
Shapeshifter, the 'correct', or taught method in which the agents on our side present is that the amount they pay for is purchasing for a package comprising the EmCall service plus Mall Points. Presentations which emphasise -only- on "Rewards Programs" and "Loyalty Programs" that promise big "investment returns" should be discouraged, and are considered a form of misrepresentation.
EmCom is currently looking to expand server space to accomodate the volume of calls made through EmCall. The volume of calls is the reason why there are possible lapses in quality in current calls.
And if anyone wishes to ask why there are frequent alterations to the plan, i would just like that say that the company management frequently reviews the feasibility of current plans and makes necessary changes if the plan is unsatisfactory or when the integrity (pls dun snigger.) of the company is undermined. Changes are made for the benefit of its members, so if anyone here doesn't understand why a specific change was being made this year, voice it out and i'll answer it. I'm not going to leaf through dozens of pages of trolling and rebuttals.
I hope my answer has been sufficiently concise. *nods to laurence*
Cheers!
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how do you explain the successful takeover of the listed company in HK?
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for us to explain that,Originally posted by kokov:how do you explain the successful takeover of the listed company in HK?
why don't u give us all the information about this HK company instead?
the website, the Nature of the Industry which the company is in, the Net-Profit Annually generated by the company, and who are the boss , chairman, and vice chairman of the company, and their background history.
if you don't even know the background of the company, nor the details, than anybody and everybody can say they takeover the listed company like nobody business.
and when you say TAKEOVER, is it just buy the 51% shares for total acquire?
The listed company was listed was how long before the takeover?
Which board is the company listed? Main board, 2nd or other small boards?
If you don't have answers to those technicial answers, don't think that you're in a good situation and position to promote the company when you all are kept in the dark with regards to the information and know NOTHING..
If it's a good business, than it would already have being published in the news etc..but why aren't there any to begin with?
What a joke..
Disclaimer: The above remarks and pointers are based on my experience before when i was still in the company when it ABUSED my money and I learnt to be smart when it comes to investment, never rush into it, unless u have made the related information which is sufficient than go into it.
If you have not done any research, and just listen to the 'management' words and taking it for granted, it's as good as gambling without calculating the risk factor. -
Not as if they take over PCCW..
which is why we need more detailed info, and detailed info is best left to financial analysts to gauge a company's strength
not any ah gao ah mao who could possibly mislead people by saying they take over (if its true) listed companies
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Originally posted by Procter:
Procter, the basis of SE's money-making scheme has always been focused on Taichung and the profits that would ensue once the project is completed. Unfortunately, SE has some whistle blowers *cough*initials c.y*cough* around and are saying Taichung is suffering, which really explains the recent abrupt push of EmCall to the fore.
EmCom is currently looking to expand server space to accomodate the volume of calls made through EmCall. The volume of calls is the reason why there are possible lapses in quality in current calls.
And if anyone wishes to ask why there are frequent alterations to the plan, i would just like that say that the company management frequently reviews the feasibility of current plans and makes necessary changes if the plan is unsatisfactory or when the integrity (pls dun snigger.) of the company is undermined. Changes are made for the benefit of its members, so if anyone here doesn't understand why a specific change was being made this year, voice it out and i'll answer it. I'm not going to leaf through dozens of pages of trolling and rebuttals.
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People put their money in because they believed (what shouldn't be believed) that SE was going to earn big time from Taichung. Ironically, the top members are earning off their gimmick, feeding off the greed of the people.
If you think about it then, SE and Emcom are nothing but a lowly callback-service company with a big story and a big lie.
Oh and an email just in, just in case some SE agents got their facts wrong:
"The EmCom is a private corporation , they don’t have any partnership with Taichung City government. Regarding the city government’s plan on building a wireless internet network, it is a part of the “Mobile Taiwan Application Promotional Plan” proposed by the Industrial Development Bureau, Ministry of Economic Affairs. This government initiated project has been handled by Asia Pacific Telecom Group(APTG). After contacting APTG & Emcom(http://www.emcomgroup.net/),we understand that Emcom is not involved in the government funded M-Taichung project.If you have any further question, please do not feel hesitate to contact us. Best regards Taichung City Government".
Either EmCom is not involved in Taichung City or they are, but only in some sad suburban part of Taichung. If that's the case, how is the money going to roll in, as they tell the people rushing to Toa Payoh HDB Hub all the time? -
EMCOM has successfully acquired China Photar Limited, a listed company in Hong Kong GEM board, counter No. 8220. It's all over the Hong Kong Chinese news, you can check it online.
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Originally posted by the_fallen:
Do your homework, kid.
for us to explain that,
why don't u give us all the information about this HK company instead?
the website, the Nature of the Industry which the company is in, the Net-Profit Annually generated by the company, and who are the boss , chairman, and vice chairman of the company, and their background history.
if you don't even know the background of the company, nor the details, than anybody and everybody can say they takeover the listed company like nobody business.
and when you say TAKEOVER, is it just buy the 51% shares for total acquire?
The listed company was listed was how long before the takeover?
Which board is the company listed? Main board, 2nd or other small boards?
If you don't have answers to those technicial answers, don't think that you're in a good situation and position to promote the company when you all are kept in the dark with regards to the information and know NOTHING..
If it's a good business, than it would already have being published in the news etc..but why aren't there any to begin with?
What a joke..
[b]Disclaimer: The above remarks and pointers are based on my experience before when i was still in the company when it ABUSED my money and I learnt to be smart when it comes to investment, never rush into it, unless u have made the related information which is sufficient than go into it.
If you have not done any research, and just listen to the 'management' words and taking it for granted, it's as good as gambling without calculating the risk factor.[/b] -
This is the company (do your math here?)-Originally posted by laurence82:Not as if they take over PCCW..
which is why we need more detailed info, and detailed info is best left to financial analysts to gauge a company's strength
not any ah gao ah mao who could possibly mislead people by saying they take over (if its true) listed companies
like i always tell people, do your math..
http://www.chinaphotar.com/
http://www.chinaphotar.com/uploadfiles/20070802225951_705547.pdf -
Doing math is answering what the fallen asked forOriginally posted by kokov:This is the company (do your math here?)-
http://www.chinaphotar.com/
http://www.chinaphotar.com/uploadfiles/20070802225951_705547.pdf
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Its Emcom, not Sunshine Empire anywayOriginally posted by kokov:EMCOM has successfully acquired China Photar Limited, a listed company in Hong Kong GEM board, counter No. 8220. It's all over the Hong Kong Chinese news, you can check it online.
oh i forgot, it turns out to be a subsidiary of Sunshine, not the reputable Emcom in Taiwan
and looking at the shift of focus from Taichung project to this Emcall, i cant help but laughing at the changing schemes victims are subjected to
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This Emcom, issit the Emcom in Taiwan, or the so called subsidiary of Sunshine Empire which someone posted some time ago?Originally posted by shapeshifter:"The EmCom is a private corporation , they don’t have any partnership with Taichung City government. Regarding the city government’s plan on building a wireless internet network, it is a part of the “Mobile Taiwan Application Promotional Plan” proposed by the Industrial Development Bureau, Ministry of Economic Affairs. This government initiated project has been handled by Asia Pacific Telecom Group(APTG). After contacting APTG & Emcom(http://www.emcomgroup.net/),we understand that Emcom is not involved in the government funded M-Taichung project.If you have any further question, please do not feel hesitate to contact us. Best regards Taichung City Government".
Either EmCom is not involved in Taichung City or they are, but only in some sad suburban part of Taichung. If that's the case, how is the money going to roll in, as they tell the people rushing to Toa Payoh HDB Hub all the time?
And if none of these entities are involved in the Taichung Project, this means all along its a hoax?
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so what's the difference? Isn't Emcom and SE the same? With the money they have taken from the investors, they are capable of doing almost anything...imo, they are probably going to stay for another 2 years..Originally posted by laurence82:Its Emcom, not Sunshine Empire anyway
oh i forgot, it turns out to be a subsidiary of Sunshine, not the reputable Emcom in Taiwan
and looking at the shift of focus from Taichung project to this Emcall, i cant help but laughing at the changing schemes victims are subjected to
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Yeah, of course, with money they taken from investors, doesnt matter what exact entity or project or return it is right?Originally posted by kokov:so what's the difference? Isn't Emcom and SE the same? With the money they have taken from the investors, they are capable of doing almost anything...imo, they are probably going to stay for another 2 years.. -
yes...the investors are paid punctually without having to do anything, enjoying high returns every month. The company continues to stay and expand, there's nothing the authorities can do to them. this thread is no longer relevant.
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This is fishyOriginally posted by kokov:yes...the investors are paid punctually without having to do anything, enjoying high returns every month. The company continues to stay and expand, there's nothing the authorities can do to them. this thread is no longer relevant.
One said the scheme is for purchase of products and earning reward points, the other talk about high returns and earnings. The scheme change, the Taichung project is conveniently forgotten, notwithstanding the email containing denial of Emcom as a participant in the project, and the investors talk about income they could not prove.
And now to distract the issues at hand, you have to talk about buyover of an almost unknown listed company to emphasise Sunshine's expansion, the expansion which has no known correlation to the schemes at hand.
Sounds fishier and fishier. Of course, the authorities could not do anything because you guys are not forthcoming with your information either. Lack of information is a powerful tool you know, if you study the use of it in sales techniques.
This thread is now of course still relevant, we could not see any of the lowly affliates get rich, or that the scheme still change, as usual, and that the question remain unanswered. -
so? What can you do? nothing...Originally posted by laurence82:This is fishy
One said the scheme is for purchase of products and earning reward points, the other talk about high returns and earnings. The scheme change, the Taichung project is conveniently forgotten, notwithstanding the email containing denial of Emcom as a participant in the project, and the investors talk about income they could not prove.
And now to distract the issues at hand, you have to talk about buyover of an almost unknown listed company to emphasise Sunshine's expansion, the expansion which has no known correlation to the schemes at hand.
Sounds fishier and fishier. Of course, the authorities could not do anything because you guys are not forthcoming with your information either. Lack of information is a powerful tool you know, if you study the use of it in sales techniques.
This thread is now of course still relevant, we could not see any of the lowly affliates get rich, or that the scheme still change, as usual, and that the question remain unanswered.
I'm not a SE investor but I'm seeing many getting rich because of this. It juz made me more frustrated cos there r pple like u who still refused to accept this fact. When r u going to crawl out of ur mountain, tortise? -
Well, sorry for asking difficult questionsOriginally posted by kokov:so? What can you do? nothing...
I'm not a SE investor but I'm seeing many getting rich because of this. It juz made me more frustrated cos there r pple like u who still refused to accept this fact. When r u going to crawl out of ur mountain, tortise?
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Difficult questions? Which one?
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Of course
You claim not to be one, you are defending out of goodwill, and you dont have answers because you are not an affliate...so..the point of this exercise is to? -
I'm not surprise as to why laurence is still rebutting even though we are getting bigger and rebating customers on times, no one is complaing about the rebates even after one year,
why i'm not surprise is because, 5 years of condamning and trying to pull us down, infact we have grown so much, its the ego.
anyway just say i'm doing personal attacks again or what, your posts have no logic at all
Its ok, i will not ask u eat back ur words, you can continue leaving in your own "mountain" or one year later still be here posting lo..
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please, you guys could not answer the issues, there is no proof the company has grown, in fact, the company resorted to telling people about some link to Taichung project which someone else has cast deep strong doubt on, so now Taichung was conveniently forgotten and Emcall is the emphasis now, the Emcall scheme even has to go through makeovers as someone else has admittedOriginally posted by christopher_rf:I'm not surprise as to why laurence is still rebutting even though we are getting bigger and rebating customers on times, no one is complaing about the rebates even after one year,
why i'm not surprise is because, 5 years of condamning and trying to pull us down, infact we have grown so much, its the ego.
anyway just say i'm doing personal attacks again or what, your posts have no logic at all
Its ok, i will not ask u eat back ur words, you can continue leaving in your own "mountain" or one year later still be here posting lo..
hhaa nice one kokov, tortoise...
what expansion and growth?
in fact, if for five years its has grown and expand, where are the older groups who should come here to boast their earnings, even if they cant prove?
not forgetting, yet again, you guys conveniently neglected the points even presented on this page
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