Repost: Sunshine Empire
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U always have nothing to say besides flaming ppl. Say something mighty to defend your beloved mlmOriginally posted by mlmlover:smart kids make me love mlm !
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i m reli glad tat my comments made u concern abt me thx pal! -
show ur worth brather... n dunnn keeep on acting cute lik tis hor.Originally posted by mlmlover: i m reli glad tat my comments made u concern abt me thx pal! -
Judging from my TPY eaves dropping session, pretty sure they gonna last for at least 1 year or longer ~Originally posted by Phaze:I found this site rather interesting:
http://www.firstmillionchallenge.com/sunshine-empire-too-good-to-be-true/
Read the comments as well.
It seems like SE members know it's a scam. They just want to get their money back before it collapses. But of course, they are willing to make other people suffer.
Their friend questioned the SE Agent throughly, smart friend who had asked some dubious questions about SE ~
In the end, the SEA Male said " " this business model, it will collapse but just a matter of time ~ !"
hehehe ~
Which means (my speculation), that friend who invested knew the risk too, but since his SE friend had assured his money back "guarantee" before SE collapses ~
Carry on.Originally posted by kyoshirou77:Went down to HDB Hud To Sunshine Empire.
Nice Set up, but kinda chessy ~
Hmm Emcom gonna shift to TANNERY ROAD for business expansion, HUAT AR !
after that, saw 2 SE Agent couple at SUBWAY around 4-530pm, explaining the plan one of their wise friend bought.
No, didnt used any FORCED Selling, rather friendly conversation going on.
very smart friend, ask a lot of dubious questions, and guess what ~
the male SEA said, " this business model, it will collapse but just a matter of time ~ ! *Yes in Madarin, I Heard it, he told this to his sincere friend, I Sweared *
and please dont gossip so loud in public area, there are ears anywhere especially MAC!
then they gossiped about some SWISSCASH with someone relations *This part totally of loss transmission, noisy enviroments, a MIC FT talking loudly on HP*
only heard a person name being mentioned "SEAN".
So SE Agent "The Sooner or Later Part" can prove/clarify its is not happening any sooner by not using FIRE but solution?
I Still can pin point the SEA faces, both with Burberry Bags, well dressed and great manners.
Cheers ~
until SE can prove their income source, else better stay in SE office. Ears is Everywhere ~
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actually it happened before...in NTI
if you read the earlier topics, NTI agents behave the same way as the SE agents
whereby they keep coming back and say they got their monthly returns and even capital back
except the capital invested that time were pretty small, from $288 onwards
they also tried means and ways to discourage refunds
by last year, NTI and its schemes no longer exist and we no longer hear people boasting they got, or rather, will have BMWs and what not
it seems now SE agents know they are only cashing in for the short time
i guess thats why SE, and not its agents, could last... -
whenever im bored, i wld visit this forum. Only to realise tat there is an increasing amt of smart alex in our beautiful lion city
Conclusion : i will nv get bored! -
Some quote that amazes me from that site,
We will be there forever
Loser
Join and con people to join.
Why u join but never jio people to join
In money game, the objective is to get back yr money asap
Even the auntie also know how to con her friend to join.
U are a damn loser
So stop posting inflammatory remarks about sunshine empireGo attend more james phang seminar
Surprised, Astonishing isn't it
Then u know who our father is
If u join and warn the public about our scam, how on earth are u and I going to get our money back
My advice to u, is pls recruit more people b4 u lose yr capital.
Unlike u I have already got my capital back.
Ironically, if sunshine empire collapse today, u suffer more than me.
There is enough bad press about our, pls be objective.
Once u join us, pls dont sabo us.
I have recouped my capital, but there are those who have not
So pls dont anyhow sabo the company.
If u got nothing good to say about us, just shut up and leave us alone.
Hope u get the light and without recruitment, how long u think the scam will last.
There is no business cycle cause there is no business.
I have been in the money game for yrs.
Heard of swiss cash?
~He actively scam
Good friend, put their friendship in perils to saved their own ass? Perfectly put the quote "A friend in Need, is a FRIEND in debt"
U passively share the spoils.
So once u join the scam, there is no turning back.
Most of the scammers I know are good people.
All they want is to get their money back.
i think there is nothing wrong with them
I not vested in this, but many friends jio me to join.
They admit, they dont want to scam but they cant get refund so no choice
Anyway what can not continue forever will stop.
Good luck.
Not much time to scam others anyway.
How good a scammer can be? Haiz................ -
It's all about trading friends for money.Originally posted by kyoshirou77:Some quote that amazes me from that site,
Good friend, put their friendship in perils to saved their own ass? Perfectly put the quote "A friend in Need, is a FRIEND in debt"
I guess their thinking is if you have money, you can always find new friends.
And if you scam someone to get your money back, you are not a good person. -
Why would u wanna invest in something worrying about your capital, instead of worrying for your returns?
Mind numbing really -
Nov 13, 2007
CAD begins probe into MLM firm Sunshine Empire
THE Commercial Affairs Department (CAD) has begun investigation into the affairs of Sunshine Empire following reports of its converversial business practices.
A police statement on Tuesday advised those who have placed money with the company to wait for further updates by the CAD.
"More information will be released in due course and persons who have placed money with the company may be requested to come forward to assist the CAD in the investigation," said the statement.
On Oct 24, The Straits Times reported that the multi-level marketing firm had come under scrutiny because it appeared to be operating like a pure investment scheme, something it did not have the licence to do.
The MAS placed Sunshine on its September's investor alert list, which means the company is not allowed to conduct regulated activities.
MAS has warned people against making investments with unregulated firms and individuals.
And a new consumer alert has been issued to inform consumers about get-rich schemes that sound too good to be true.
Based at Toa Payoh HDB Hub, Sunshine Empire has attracted 20,000 people here since it was set up last July.
The man behind Sunshine is Mr James Phang, 48, the founder,director and international president of Empire Group Alliance, a group spanning several Asian countries. Sunshine is part of the group, but Mr Phang does not own it.
MLM firms, which are legal here, typically invite people to pay cash for the right to market goods to other people. They also get cash for recruiting other MLM marketers.
Under Sunshine's scheme, people usually put down $12,000 to become a 'merchant', as it calls users of its online shopping platform offering thousands of goods, including health supplements, lingerie and electronics goods.
After signing up, they can buy Sunshine's online goods.
But they are also rewarded with potentially hefty cash rebates, though these are not guaranteed. Merchants can build their own sales force as well.
The scheme is structured in such a way that participants are not required to use the rebates to buy Sunshine's goods.
The cash rebates are based on Sunshine's global turnover. The option of converting the rebates into cash only makes Sunshine more attractive than other MLM firms where people must maintain sales quotas.
Sunshine also operates in Indonesia, Thailand, Hong Kong, Korea and Taiwan, and has 50,000 merchants. It plans to expand to the United States by next year.
According to its marketing brochure, Sunshine projects global monthly turnover of US$100 million ($146 million) for December.
By Lorna Tan
Hmmmm, i thought only one project that got up, the rest still "on-going".
Wow, as bold as a lion, going after Uncle Sam Ass.
If CAD clears SE, oh my oh my oh my, better start going to Q at SE for a Lower Priced GP, before it surged to 20k a GP~"
off topics,
so far any "bad" news that posted by ST never get a slammed down? -
CAD clears SE??
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Opps my bad, forget to used their favorite word "If"Originally posted by laurence82:CAD clears SE??
amended ~
Cheers
off topics for SAW Fans,
Jigsaw: Hello James, I want to play a game. For years you have burned those around you with your lies, cons, and deceits. Now you will have a chance to redeem yourself, for the games you've played with others, by playing one of mine. Inside the device in front of you are two antidotes for the poison coursing through your veins. One is my gift to you for being smart and stands out among the delusional, the second is for you to donate. However, one will come with a price. Remember James, once you're in Hell, only the devil can help you out.
Jigsaw: Hello, Jackie, I want to play a game. It's similar to the game you play as a MLM Merchant, the game of giving hope to the desperate. I think we can agree that your situation is desperate, so I'm going to offer you hope. By entering this room, you have started a timer on the door in front of you. When the timer runs out the door will be locked forever, locking away the antidote inside it. If you want to find the key, you will have to crawl through the same squalor that your customers have. The password is written as fine print in one of the form among the 50,000 forms your downlines had signed.
Jigsaw: It will be like finding a needle in a haystack.
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1. Sunshine Empire is a network marketing company. It is not an investment company. It is associated with the Empire Group Alliance (EGA) and through EGA to other companies. However, Sunshine Empire itself is a solely a network marketing company.
2. Sunshine Empire is on the alert list by MAS and Malaysia Securities Commission. However, neither body has charged Sunshine Empire with any illegal or misappropriates activity.
3. Sunshine Empire believes in the power of leveraging. Hence it works in business association with other companies which are legally-unrelated to it. It is for the purpose of developing business opportunity and marketing positioning only.
4. Press reports on Sunshine Empire from the middle October have been garbled and inaccurate on the issue of Sunshine Empire and Empire Group Alliance (EGA). The media confuse EGA and other associate (but legally unrelated) companies with Sunshine Empire. They lump everything together and so allege that Sunshine Empire is financial investment scheme. This is untrue.
5. Sunshine Empire does provide its merchants access to information and business opportunities in companies that Sunshine Empire believes to be good investments. This is only access and information. It is NOT a part of Sunshine EmpireÂ’s operations or business. Nor is any investment transacted by, with or through Sunshine Empire.
6. Mr James Phang is the International President of and adviser to Sunshine Empire, but nor a director or shareholder. In his personal capacity, he is a consultant of adviser to several companies other than Sunshine Empire.
7. Sunshine Empire has been operating successfully, providing real tangible products on an Internet-based trading platform that yield healthy profit for its merchants. It is not a fraudulent scheme. If it had been, it would not be operating today.
JACKIE HOO
Asia Pacific President Sunshine Empire Holdings -
James Phang is not a director so if something goes wrong he can run away with his share AND sue the company, something like what he did with NOP and magic kingdom where he turned around on his own guys and sued them to get away scot-free!!
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Oh? They first say they're not mlm company, now say they're network marketing company.
So who is their beloved boss of SE if not JP? -
i pity sheeps like Jackie HooOriginally posted by Rigante:James Phang is not a director so if something goes wrong he can run away with his share AND sue the company, something like what he did with NOP and magic kingdom where he turned around on his own guys and sued them to get away scot-free!! -
Malaysia authorities said it does not have license for MLMOriginally posted by redstone:Oh? They first say they're not mlm company, now say they're network marketing company.
So who is their beloved boss of SE if not JP?
therefore, SE is illegal in Malaysia, as to whether the Malaysian police decides to charge SE, i think its a question of capability and will
i guess, thats what contradictory remarks always get people confused and bamboozled
by the way, whether or not they have run an investment scheme, licensed or not licensed, its not up to them to say
only MAS and MSC can determine whether they have done so -
FAQ on Sunshine Empire Pte Ltd found on CAD website
Q Who is investigating into the affairs of Sunshine Empire Pte Ltd (“Sunshine Empire”)?
A The Commercial Affairs Department (“CAD”) of the Singapore Police Force is investigating the case.
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Q What is the matter investigated by CAD regarding Sunshine Empire?
A The CAD is investigating into the business practices of Sunshine Empire.
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Q Why is CAD investigating into Sunshine Empire?
A There is reason to believe that the business practices of Sunshine Empire may have breached the law.
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Q What is the status of the investigation?
A The investigation is on-going.
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Q I have paid money to Sunshine Empire. Will I continue to receive the payout of returns during the investigation?
A You will have to approach Sunshine Empire for information regarding payout of returns.
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Q I have paid money to Sunshine Empire. Do I need to make a report?
A There is no need to make a report to police at this point in time. The CAD will soon request for persons who have paid money to Sunshine Empire to come forward to provide their particulars and details of their dealings with Sunshine Empire. CAD will do so by a press release. The request will also be posted in the CAD website at www.cad.gov.sg.
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Q What will happen after I provide CAD with my particulars and details of my dealings with Sunshine Empire?
A The CAD will contact you, if you are required to further assist in the investigation. Updates of significant developments on the investigation will be posted in the CAD website at www.cad.gov.sg.
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Q Will CAD assist to recover monies placed with Sunshine Empire?
A The purpose of the investigation is to determine whether any criminal offence has been committed. If there is criminal wrongdoing, the CAD will do its best to ensure that monies that have been illegally obtained are recovered and properly dealt with according to law, which may include restitution to the victims.
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Q I have already reported the matter to CAD. Do I have to report the matter to the Police again?
A CAD is a unit of the Singapore Police Force. There is no need to lodge another police report, if a report has been made to the CAD.
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Q What can I do now?
A If you have reported your dealings with Sunshine Empire to the CAD and provided your personal particulars and details of your dealings, including payment of monies to Sunshine Empire, you should wait for updates from the CAD.
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Q Are there any hotlines that I can call if I have queries on the matter?
A You can contact the CAD office at 6557 3918 during office hours. Our office hours are 8.30 am to 6.00 pm on Mondays to Thursdays and 8.30 am to 5.30 pm on Fridays. -
[QUOTE]From CAD's website:
http://www.cad.gov.sg/topNav/faq/Sunshine+Empire+Pte+Ltd.htm[/QUOTE]
Nothing Much yet, still need the final verdict ~ -
wowOriginally posted by kyoshirou77:[QUOTE]From CAD's website:
http://www.cad.gov.sg/topNav/faq/Sunshine+Empire+Pte+Ltd.htm[/QUOTE]
Nothing Much yet, still need the final verdict ~
the CAD is serious this time
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Black MLMs like this gives me the impression that it's out to say half truths to confuse people. And if ppl say they're lying, MLMers can just shoot back say it's their own misunderstanding.Originally posted by laurence82:i guess, thats what contradictory remarks always get people confused and bamboozled
by the way, whether or not they have run an investment scheme, licensed or not licensed, its not up to them to say
only MAS and MSC can determine whether they have done so
The biz ethics is a disgrace, if they have any in the first place. -
Sunshine Empire Pte Ltd
Q Who is investigating into the affairs of Sunshine Empire Pte Ltd (“Sunshine Empire”)?
A The Commercial Affairs Department (“CAD”) of the Singapore Police Force is investigating the case.
Back to Top
Q What is the matter investigated by CAD regarding Sunshine Empire?
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The CAD is investigating into the business practices of Sunshine Empire.
Back to Top
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Why is CAD investigating into Sunshine Empire?
A There is reason to believe that the business practices of Sunshine Empire may have breached the law.
Back to Top
Q What is the status of the investigation?
A The investigation is on-going.
Back to Top
Q I have paid money to Sunshine Empire. Will I continue to receive the payout of returns during the investigation?
A You will have to approach Sunshine Empire for information regarding payout of returns.
Back to Top
Q I have paid money to Sunshine Empire. Do I need to make a report?
A There is no need to make a report to police at this point in time. The CAD will soon request for persons who have paid money to Sunshine Empire to come forward to provide their particulars and details of their dealings with Sunshine Empire. CAD will do so by a press release. The request will also be posted in the CAD website at www.cad.gov.sg.
Back to Top
Q What will happen after I provide CAD with my particulars and details of my dealings with Sunshine Empire?
A The CAD will contact you, if you are required to further assist in the investigation. Updates of significant developments on the investigation will be posted in the CAD website at www.cad.gov.sg.
Back to Top
Q Will CAD assist to recover monies placed with Sunshine Empire?
A
The purpose of the investigation is to determine whether any criminal offence has been committed. If there is criminal wrongdoing, the CAD will do its best to ensure that monies that have been illegally obtained are recovered and properly dealt with according to law, which may include restitution to the victims.
Back to Top
Q I have already reported the matter to CAD. Do I have to report the matter to the Police again?
A
CAD is a unit of the Singapore Police Force. There is no need to lodge another police report, if a report has been made to the CAD.
Back to Top
Q What can I do now?
A
If you have reported your dealings with Sunshine Empire to the CAD and provided your personal particulars and details of your dealings, including payment of monies to Sunshine Empire, you should wait for updates from the CAD.
Back to Top
Q Are there any hotlines that I can call if I have queries on the matter?
A You can contact the CAD office at 6557 3918 during office hours. Our office hours are 8.30 am to 6.00 pm on Mondays to Thursdays and 8.30 am to 5.30 pm on Fridays. -
wow.. a FAQ just for SE... must be big business!!
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For Everyone's Information, the above FAQ is taken out of CAD (Criminal Affairs Department) website.Originally posted by kyoshirou77:[QUOTE]From CAD's website:
http://www.cad.gov.sg/topNav/faq/Sunshine+Empire+Pte+Ltd.htm[/QUOTE]
Nothing Much yet, still need the final verdict ~
SE agents please have a look too and start planning on getting your money back unless you are one of the unscrupulous early ones who have gotten full return of investment
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haha seem like this thread is active again haha congraz to all SE Members
You have juz make it to the FAQ of the CAD which mean this is free advertisement.
it is a positive thing SE has not been charge
it is a positive thing that SE has a FAQ in CAD
it is a positive thing that/if SE is investigated to shown we are innocent
it is a positive thing that more people will be aware of us
it is a positive thing that SE is so popular and gain so much media coverage
it is a positive thing that SE........pls continue
lol....being investigated and make it to the FAQ. this is what happen when transparency and good corporate governance is not in. Every proper investment has information which you can gather. i mean concrete information from third party source like CNN, CNBC, BCC, Finance, Stock Exchange, Brokers. Judgement dont come from I believe in Him and he is better than warren buffet. alot of ppl now trust strangers so easily now. and u know company information can be faked. without proper auditing by accounting firms, we never know whats going on behind the scene.