Repost: Sunshine Empire
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Originally posted by KitKen:Hello? Anything wrong with that?
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It's a common tactic used by scam artists.Originally posted by KitKen:Hello? Anything wrong with that?
This is what SCO did as well in their lawsuit against IBM.
SCO accused IBM, in a public forum, of inappropriately contributing SCO's copyrighted code to Linux.
The response to the accusation was, of course, "show us the code".
Even though SCO made their allegations in public, they only agreed to show the code to a select group of journalists. This was so their allegations would not have to undergo detailed public scrutiny.
Ultimately, SCO's allegations were shown to be just smoke and mirrors. They also faced a lot of backlast from the journalists that they fooled.
This is the same situation. Basically, Sunshine does not want their claims to be examined critically.
Sunshine Empire does not want outsiders to be able to rebut their explanations as they preach to their faithful. I am pretty sure if they had any evidence at all (eg. signed contracts, etc.) they would immediately show it as it's essential that they restore confidence. -
Just ask these scammer/ cheater to just go and die !!!!!! ... no shame at all... don't even have any feeling for a fellow human being ... imagine can go round cheating old folks with their hard earned money and still dare go round justifying their act .. they should be condemmed to hell and never to be re-born !!!
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I think whatever this and that and speculation and stuff, only time will prove which party is right.
What I'm looking at is that no matter wat, the truth will speak for itself.
If the company have nothing to hide, no matter how hard the media, or others go against it, it will still stand tall
if the company is shady in its operations, no matter how well it cover up, end of day, it still get exposed (NKF!!!)
So whether SE's people are disillusion or faithful. Time will tell. -
They should recruit all those China phone scammers cos those people can lie without blinking and in such a convincing manner, with friendly tones and false courtesy.
These will be perfect for the job as they can cheat just about everyone without any dent to their conscience.
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This is bad .... then more people will be victim ... can you imagine, these China phone scammers don't have anything at all and they can con millions out of it .. if there is a company there, more will suffer ... !!Originally posted by Rigante:They should recruit all those China phone scammers cos those people can lie without blinking and in such a convincing manner, with friendly tones and false courtesy.
These will be perfect for the job as they can cheat just about everyone without any dent to their conscience. -
Say..... up til now no one has confirm where SE pumps their money into? Yes, all the property, telcoms stuff? But they have yet to take off, from what I see. So where are the returns from?
If SE's so good, get the big banks to invest in it. -
The SE supporter seem to be keeping a low profile on this... make you wonder . . .Originally posted by redstone:Say..... up til now no one has confirm where SE pumps their money into? Yes, all the property, telcoms stuff? But they have yet to take off, from what I see. So where are the returns from?
If SE's so good, get the big banks to invest in it. -
I bet SE is going into damage control mode. Not damage control for the 'business', I think that's already a write off, but damage control in terms of legal liability.Originally posted by ORIGAMIST:The SE supporter seem to be keeping a low profile on this... make you wonder . . .
The first step is to clamp down on all public statements so that no one inadvertently says the wrong thing.
The other thing is that even the most loyal SE supporter (as long as he's honest) must have a lot of questions. If he takes even a cursory look at the business plan, he will realize a lot of it doesn't add up.
Questions like - If James Phang is an investment genius, why isn't he running a hedge fund or managing private equity. Oh well, maybe Citigroup and Merrill Lynch are quietly headhunting him to be their new CEO? -
out of so mani treads, the onli logical person tat finally raised a smart qns is PHAZE! LOL!welldone. u will find ur ans soon. -
SE is also getting feedback from forums all over and acting on them.Originally posted by Phaze:I bet SE is going into damage control mode. Not damage control for the 'business', I think that's already a write off, but damage control in terms of legal liability.
The first step is to clamp down on all public statements so that no one inadvertently says the wrong thing.
The other thing is that even the most loyal SE supporter (as long as he's honest) must have a lot of questions. If he takes even a cursory look at the business plan, he will realize a lot of it doesn't add up.
Questions like - If James Phang is an investment genius, why isn't he running a hedge fund or managing private equity. Oh well, maybe Citigroup and Merrill Lynch are quietly headhunting him to be their new CEO?
Some examples....from this forum, just earlier someone mentioned that the SE property arm (http://www.empirepropertyventure.com/contact.html) has no contact numbers, and now presto!... there are now many.
This forum also mentioned about brainwashing in the SC forums (http://www.trizzard.com), and now it has been taken offline... for 'refining' no doubt.
Thus in a way, the critics have become the troubleshooters for SE. -
The big banks have cut off SE and put it on their blacklist - so no more connections with the local banks which will escalate their downward spiralOriginally posted by redstone:Say..... up til now no one has confirm where SE pumps their money into? Yes, all the property, telcoms stuff? But they have yet to take off, from what I see. So where are the returns from?
If SE's so good, get the big banks to invest in it. -
huh?where? dun mouth talk lampa big. show proof!heeOriginally posted by biangbiangbiang:The big banks have cut off SE and put it on their blacklist - so no more connections with the local banks which will escalate their downward spiral -
Go and read your papers child
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oh well... post online la! dun cok with me
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Since you admit you are a child with your response then shoo shoo go and play with your toysOriginally posted by mlmlover:oh well... post online la! dun cok with me
This is an adults' forum
And must grow up ah, cannot expect mummy daddy to spoonfeed you all the time, things must do yourself hor
daddy Phang already give you a lot of crap spoonfeeding, you must also go and learn to dig out some things by yourself hor...cannot everytime want people do this for you do that for you very gullible you know?
ok ok dun cry lah -
im glad my 1 sentence can help to produce paragraphs frm u! cant show proof jus *** off
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Okok good boy k? Now go sleep sleep lah
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This thread is becoming shamelessly unapolegetic in its accussations.
I am not a SE or EGA supporter BUT neither am I interested in rumours or untrue stories.
I think forumers should speak the truth that they know (as best as they know it to be) and deserve to know the truth (as best as another forumer is able to share) and not come to a forum and spread stories, spreading a wild fire, riding on current sentiments.
It is so easy to talk only and especially talk bad about others but at least base your stories on some measure of truth. When other forumers ask you for sources, we want to know if this is true or just another rumour or another flame.
I'd like to see the downfall of a rotten company. It is a great hr, marketing and management case study. But spreading fake stories is altogether another thing. It is malice. -
updates??
me lost track with all the rubbish in here liao lei...
so when toh?? 
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Agree in a wayOriginally posted by fire & ice:This thread is becoming shamelessly unapolegetic in its accussations.
I am not a SE or EGA supporter BUT neither am I interested in rumours or untrue stories.
I think forumers should speak the truth that they know (as best as they know it to be) and deserve to know the truth (as best as another forumer is able to share) and not come to a forum and spread stories, spreading a wild fire, riding on current sentiments.
It is so easy to talk only and especially talk bad about others but at least base your stories on some measure of truth. When other forumers ask you for sources, we want to know if this is true or just another rumour or another flame.
I'd like to see the downfall of a rotten company. It is a great hr, marketing and management case study. But spreading fake stories is altogether another thing. It is malice.
But its business and not some charity organisation, civic rights group or a political organisation
There will always be prevailing rumours and untrue stories on top of the real ones. From business perspective, companies should know how to manage these and salvage their reputation, if there is any shred of it left.
Unfortunately, it doesnt help that if the agents dont respond in a professional manner. Lets just say, nobody else beside the company and its members will care if the company is losing money from image problems, and if that even the members couldnt care less, there is less need to talk about right and wrong.
Actually, its always confound me that some business dont act like well...business, ie, marketing its products and selling them...but like some religio-political organisation where they think they have god-given rights and people are obliged to them -
Haha this Co. I heard it before but the person was taking to my 2 freinds I was sitting there to listen nia...Originally posted by Beachy Composer:Hi all,
I've a friend who is now working in this so called a company that are trying to absorb fund from the public retailer *Uncle auntie granny*.
They offered a few scheme where I think it's rubbish but attractive in marketing to greedy people.
Buy 1 GP for nearly S$12,000 and every month you can get back about average 10%
But you are not able to sell your GP back to company again. If people who doesn't know this They will keep on buying GP when they got the profit and Up till when the company starts to pay low return to the Gp that holder has, they can't sell it away and will stuck their money in the company, it can't be a shares to have a voting right to say anything. They are doing Taiwan 'Dan Shui' Islandwide Internet Wifi...
I heard about this project, but i doubt they will be doing this.
So my point to this company will be a Scam in the long term when they can't absorb anymore fund they will collaspe and run away, meanwhile they're earning ..... People who just buy 1 GP... Just leave it there and stop buying, So you will be getting back your 100% in 10months time.... So Please comment
My two friends immediately buy the GP from them... It sound like scam to me... -
bro. u pin pointing biang piang biang?Originally posted by fire & ice:This thread is becoming shamelessly unapolegetic in its accussations.
I am not a SE or EGA supporter BUT neither am I interested in rumours or untrue stories.
I think forumers should speak the truth that they know (as best as they know it to be) and deserve to know the truth (as best as another forumer is able to share) and not come to a forum and spread stories, spreading a wild fire, riding on current sentiments.
It is so easy to talk only and especially talk bad about others but at least base your stories on some measure of truth. When other forumers ask you for sources, we want to know if this is true or just another rumour or another flame.
I'd like to see the downfall of a rotten company. It is a great hr, marketing and management case study. But spreading fake stories is altogether another thing. It is malice. i very the confused le. but im vely clear sunshine gona survive! 
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I found this site rather interesting:
http://www.firstmillionchallenge.com/sunshine-empire-too-good-to-be-true/
Read the comments as well.
It seems like SE members know it's a scam. They just want to get their money back before it collapses. But of course, they are willing to make other people suffer. -
smart kids make me love mlm !