DW Group & EastWing Group - My Experience
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They have claimed that they are going to take over Apex tower more than 2 years ago, and they have always told applicants that they need marketing manpower as admin jobs are all taken.Originally posted by char|ene:was havin doubts bout this dw company when i went for interview ytd noon... really want to thx god for letting me come across this forum... nearly join up-to-no-gd company... phew... wat a relief...
went for an interview ytd. cuz saw on newspaper tt it is lookin for administrator... so me and a grp of frenz decided to call tt compay up... dey claimed tt dey are doing lifescience stuffs and would like us to go down for an interview... at first i tot it was some kind of biopolis stuffs... so juz go see see lor...
when we went der, it was like "wow! so many pp goin for interview, muz be some big company wor" and we met a couple of schoolmates der as well... the 1st impression dw gave me when i stepped into the office is "how come so many ah beng??? secret society huh?" but the pp der are v frenly and joke with us... gt 1 guy take us ard for a tour and say some lifescience thingy and dey r takin their concept frm japan life(wateva)... and say china, germany, msia blah blah blah also doing the same thing (i was wondering why no USA when dey are the 1st to create nuclear bombs??? also pro-science country mah) and say tt dey own almost half the building of apex tower... we were like WOW!!! and he claimed tt dey are intending to buy over the whole tower as soon as dey meet some criteria (dunno wat criteria lahz)...
tt tour guide brought us to 9th floor, 23th floor and one more which i 4got liao. he also showed us to a rm whr one magnetic machine can be used to check ur pulse or blood circulation one lahz... tt guy told us tt dw has made a name for itself and is goin to be listed and tt's y they need plenty of manpower... so dey put up job interview everyday... after tt, tt guy asked us to go inside a rm for interview... me n my frens go thru tt interview together...
the fishy part about tt boss' office is tt all his stuffs v portable... 3 to 4 files near the window, no laptop, a cellphone on the table, our application forms and a file on tt fellow's table... a portable radio near the door... it seems like if anything happens (fire or explosion) tt boss can simply take all the stuffs in this office and siam(dunid ntuc trolley also can make it one)... nothing in the office is 'FIXED'... unless u count the yellow n blue certificates pasted on the wall... during the interview, it was like chit-chatting session cuz tt boss noe one of us... and he said der is v little chance tt we will get admin work but he say the company needs alot of marketing wateva position thingy... so we were like ANYTHING LOR and he said give us time to consider... den we told him to call one of us to confirm can le...
when i gt home, decided to check up this fishy company online and saw this forum... so i know wat the hell dw or biomagnetism is all about... juz about lies, money-and-against-conscience based of lifestyle... not my cup of tea... guess my decision is set... gotta remind every1 i know to stop goin to tt place... it's behaving like a cult!!! and it seems tt dignity is worthless to them(kneeling down and ask pp to buy tt product??? wat the hell has the world become???)... and hey, dignity is not worthless, it's priceless!!!
I've been in the company for a short period of time, and managed to pull myself out of it in the nick of time. The main consumers of their biomagnetic products are basically your friends and family. The moment you join that company, they will tell you to write down a list of phone numbers, that of your friends and relatives. To get 'promoted', you gotta reach a certain quota of sales, $10k if i remember correctly. They claim that family and relatives tend to support their children, so it's easy to sell the products to them. They will then instruct you to arrange a meeting for them and your family/relatives, so that they can 'teach you how to make sales'. Your mom/dad/best friend will tend to try to help you out and that is their marketing strategy. -
TIS COMPANY IS REAL PATHETIC, LAST TIME I IN SCH OSO PART TIME WORK THERE AND ALWAYS GO TO THE OFFICE AROUND EVENING. OFTEN WHEN I REACH THERE, I WOULD OPEN MY NEWSPAPER AND READ OR JUZ IDLE AROUND DOING SHIT. WHEN AROUND 8PM, CAN GO HOME LIAO, KNN WASTE MY TIME ONLY AND I ONLY CARRY TIS ROUTINE FOR AROUND 1 WEEK OR LESSER. OFTEN GO TO THE NEARBY OLD FOODSHOP TO HAVE THE CHEAP NASI LEMAK TO COMPENSATE MY BUS AND MRT FEES AS WELL AS LOST TIME. REALLY, IF U HEARD A PERSON CALL JEFF, TELL HIM TO FUCK OFF, NABEI CHAO AH BENG, TEMPERAMENT IS DAMN WEIRD AND ALWAYS RUSH U TO REACH THE QUOTA. KNN CHEATED ABIT OF MONEY BUT LUCKILY I QUIT FAST, A LAME COMPANY WIF LOTSA YOUNGSTERS BUT UNDERAGED. LAST TIME MY DIVISION GOT 2 14YRS OLD KID SOMEMORE, NABEI DROP OUT OF SCH OSO.
ANYWAY, THOSE WHU READ MY MSG SHOULD NOT HARBOUR ANY INTENTIONS OF GOING FOR AN INTERVIEW WIF TIS COMPANY, OFTEN SAYING ADMIN SPACE NO MORE, ONLY GOT SALES. SOMEMORE, AT MY TIME, THE CHEEBYE AM STILL SAYS THT U WORK SALES GOT COMMISSION+BASIC, MAKE ME HAPPY LIKE HELL. NABEI ALL COMMISSION ONLY LA -
Sunday Times 25th Jan 2004
His teen daughter joins company selling 'biomagnetic' mattresses
She starts drinking, smoking and keeping late nights
Now, she wants to quit school
By Arlina Arshad
BUSINESSMAN Tan Pin Ho set a curfew for his 16-year-old daughter and made her sign an undertaking that she would not sneak out of school to work as a salesgirl.
Nothing has worked, laments Mr Tan (above), who has been trying to get daughter Yi Zhen to concentrate on her studies. -- ENRIQUE SORIANO
He even threatened to lock Yi Zhen up and paid $800 for professional counselling. But she dropped out after a few sessions, he said.
Nothing has worked and Mr Tan, 57, says he is at his wit's end.
Instead, Yi Zhen wants to drop out of school to sell expensive 'biomagnetic' mattress pads and comforters for a direct-marketer called DW Group.
She was 15 when she joined DW in August last year, on a referral by a schoolmate who is her boyfriend, and she has definitely changed for the worse, said Mr Tan.
She attends group gatherings and talks that end at midnight or later, wakes up too late to go to school, and once came home drunk, he said. And her grades have nosedived.
Yi Zhen says she can earn $100 to $200 for every item she sells. She has not sold a thing so far, but gets $300 a month in transport and meal allowances.
Mr Tan said he has tried to get the Ministry of Manpower (MOM), the police and her teachers to help. He has even spoken to DW's bosses. But to no avail.
MOM said that a child may be employed if he is 12 or older in 'light work suited to his capacity'.
The Direct Selling Association of Singapore (DSAS) says that direct marketers should not recruit anyone below 18.
But because DW Group is not registered with DSAS, it is not bound by its rules.
'Whatever it is, there must be parental consent in writing,' said DSAS chairman Benjamin Tan.
Mr Tan Pin Ho never consented. He didn't even know Yi Zhen was working with DW till she started bugging him and their relatives to buy its $2,880 mattresses.
'She said she needed to sell one to get promoted to a 'supervisor',' he said.
'She used to be obedient but now she doesn't believe anything I say. The company has influenced her and she doesn't realise this.'
He and his wife got divorced in 2001, and Yi Zhen lives with her mother, a 42-year-old insurance agent who wanted to be known only as Madam Tay.
Madam Tay said: 'We split but that doesn't mean we don't love her.
'Her colleagues take her to pubs and she smokes. It's not logical that they're selling a health product and yet they do all this.'
Yi Zhen told The Sunday Times that she sees a 'future with the company'.
'I used to be quiet but now I can make my own decisions. I want to quit school after my N levels this year and do this full-time,' she said.
'I want to prove to my parents that 16-year-olds can make it in this industry.'
She said she goes to DW's office at Apex Tower in Anson Road at 3pm every day, after school, to set up appointments with clients, and she makes two-hour sales presentations outside until as late as midnight.
Sometimes, she said, she stays back to attend gatherings with the directors because 'I want to learn more from them'.
'It's not a must but the directors said I've been specially selected because of my good performance and work attitude. So I go,' she said.
A 17-year-old said he quit DW after six months because his father cut his pocket money and threatened to disown him.
He said his superiors would take small groups out to pubs in the Orchard and Tanjong Pagar area for drinking sessions, sometimes as often as three times a week.
'I'd come home late and fall asleep during lessons,' he said.
His sister, Miss Liu, 24, an administrative executive, said he spent so much time working and earned only $400 a month.
She said: 'These are just impressionable kids. They dress smartly and think 'biomagnetism' sounds professional. But they know nothing.'
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Boss: She's not too young to start work
AT 16, Yi Zhen is not too young to sell mattresses, said DW Group's managing director Joey Tan, 34.
She's not staff, he said, but gets $100 to $200 for referring clients.
There are 10 other under-18 'recommenders', he said.
'It's not wrong to give her some money because she helps me, like a brother to a sister, right?' he said.
So how can she be a 'supervisor' if she's not on the staff?
'It's just a term to motivate her,' said Mr Tan, who set up the company in May 2002 and claims it has an annual turnover of $2 million.
He also said it had 200 staff working in 10 subsidiaries, all selling biomagnetic mattress pads and comforters from Japan.
A quarter are younger than 20.
He said his company gives her $300 a month for transport and meals, even if she doesn't make a sale, and she can attend daily two-hour talks to pick up communication, convincing and interpersonal skills.
'She earns as she learns,' he said. 'Out of so many youngsters, I feel that she has a vision. I feel that she's mature enough to work,' he said.
But he denies influencing her to cut classes and to quit school.
'She's not interested in studies, and isn't it better that she works with me than spend her time mixing with bad company?' he said.
Paper qualifications aren't everything, he added. Mr Tan, who holds a diploma in electrical engineering, said: 'I've never used it to be where I am today.'
Of the late-night gatherings, Mr Tan said he was aware that his employees go to pubs, but said that the 10 underaged 'recommenders' only get soft drinks.
Whether or not the teenage workers want to work or study, it is their decision, he said, and added: 'Their parents and I have no right to stop them from doing so.'
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Another article on DW Group
Big bucks and a BMW... for selling mattresses?
People get the hard sell from direct marketing firm
By Arlina Arshad
THE teenagers who attended a 'career opportunity' talk by a direct marketing company were told they could earn at least $2,000 a month and own a BMW if they helped sell biomagnetic mattress pads and comforters.
After watching a short videotape on biomagnetism, the youngsters toured DW Group's Apex Tower office in Anson Road, where certificates of top sales personnel lined the walls.
Later, they were taken to the carpark, where several BMW and Mercedes sedans were parked, and were told that these were owned by the directors.
A Sunday Times reader who once sold mattresses for the company said this was how it recruited people.
She was one of 10 people who called after The Sunday Times published a report last week about a man whose 15-year-old daughter told him she wanted to quit school to sell mattresses for the company.
Miss Tan Rui Lin, 17, a polytechnic student, who worked with DW for seven months last year, said: 'The company director would say, 'So-and-so didn't complete his studies but he's now a supervisor. Even if you were a graduate, you'd earn only $3,000 to $4,000'.'
She said she was asked to do a 'market listing' during a two-day training stint. She had to list of the names and telephone numbers of people she knew and specify if they were 'financially stable', 'generous' or 'supportive'.
Then she was told to make appointments with them, telling them she was doing a health survey. Follow-up action would be taken by her seniors.
She quit when she found she was spending more than she earned.
She said: 'I'd spend $200 on cab fare every month, going to meetings with customers. And I only got $180 in commissions in seven months. It was not worth it.'
Madam Claire Bang, 31, a health-care consultant, said her 15-year-old cousin had called her on the eve of her exams, pestering her to buy a mattress.
'She would call to say she was staying overnight at the office. Directors took her out to party at KTV pubs, telling her it was the way to entertain clients,' said Madam Bang.
She added: 'When I called the company to ask why staff were made to stay overnight, someone said clients sometimes called at 8am and they needed people to man the phone lines.'
Her cousin has since left the company.
When asked, DW Group said its management was willing to clarify any misunderstanding and concerned parties should call 6220-3827 to make an appointment.
It declined further comment.
In last Sunday's report, Mr Tan Pin Ho, 57, said his daughter, Yi Zhen, attended group gatherings and talks that ended at midnight or later, and woke up too late to go to school.
But the company does not just recruit youngsters.
Mr D.L. Loo, 26, an engineer, wrote to say that his 22-year-old wife quit her second-year polytechnic course last year to work full-time with the company.
She leaves home at 9am and may return at 7am the following day.
'I see her only once or twice a week, sometimes once a month as she spends all her time at work. I tell our two-year-old daughter that mummy is working,' he said.
Mrs S. Adam, 42, said her 21-year-old niece, had shelved plans to study overseas after being involved with the company.
The police said there had been no complaints so far, but they would look into the matter if a report was lodged.
Mr Benjamin Tan, chairman of the Direct Selling Association of Singapore, which DW Group does not belong to, said: 'Most of the youngsters are still in school and should be concentrating on their studies. There may be those who may not wish to study but we should not distract them. Even if they are ready and mature, they should get their parents' approval before signing up.' -
WHERE U FOUND ALL THESE LAMBO. I NVR SEEN IN ON LIFETSYLE LEH. WHEN IS THE NEWS BTW TOO
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Did u even read the article?
From first few lines already stated the year 2004
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yeap this are from the articles a few years ago..
my fren got cheated buying the pillow which cost almost $400. He quitted the job after buying it and he did not even receive the pillow.. he kept msging the manager and the manager dint even bother to reply the message. such a fark up company, take money and run already.. and i dont like the way they run the company at all. some1 should do something about this soon man. they are recruiting more n more pple everyday. Especially now its the holiday seasons and there are more innocent youngsters/students joining in.. they will get conned cos the pple working inside will make use of their relationship with parents/relatives/frens to buy their product, knowing that their parents will support them(most of the time). -
$400 for a pillow? there's a reason why there's super marts like K mart, Target, even Carrefour. my pillow also cost $400 bucks.. bought at $20 inside stuffed $380 for good luck!!
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Now is sch holidays 4 sec sch liao...Sure got a lot of kids wanna cheat 2 join liao....Haizz....Wat can we do?
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ya tats wat i tot.. cos sch kids very naive. n the company give titles like "Account Executive", "Supervising Officer" etc etc which makes those students sound like they are damn proffesional like that.. If those pple inside tell pple outside that they are Executive Directors or watever pple will LMAO ROFL. ur jus seen as a salesperson/conman outside man.Originally posted by Heartzzz:Now is sch holidays 4 sec sch liao...Sure got a lot of kids wanna cheat 2 join liao....Haizz....Wat can we do?
nth much we can do.. maybe post in established forums(eg. hardwarezone, delfi forums etc.) to warn the general public? -
yeap, you're right. at 16, 1990, i got a temp job in a local bank.Originally posted by Lambo:ya tats wat i tot.. cos sch kids very naive. n the company give titles like "Account Executive", "Supervising Officer" etc etc which makes those students sound like they are damn proffesional like that..
doing some simple credit card bills reconciliation. the title was accounts assistant, and for a while it drove me nuts. pay was $4 per hour 1.5 rate for OT. very very good for a temp job in those days.
but hey, that's Wee Cho Yaw's bank, not some lousy shhit ah beng MLM company. -
at least ur accounts assistants makes sense and is relevant to the work that u were doing. those "account executives, managers, or even directors"in DW are actually making appointments with pple everyday to push them to buy their products... very professional indeed
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Juz asking..have any1 of u here actually persuaded or convince ur fren who is working in DW 2 quit?? Coz i think its realli a hard task lor...if the person had worked in DW 4 a long time le....
If u hav some1 whom u realli cared about, who is working in DW, wat would u do? If u keep telling bad things about DW 2 her, it will spoil the frenship de...but if u dun say or do anything, r u still her fren? Haiz....No matter wat i do, she would think its wrong....haiz..this world is full of shit sometimes... -
show them the link over here
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Guess wat? i told her about this website le lor...n she said she c b4 le!! She even said those who said bad things about the company r those who cannot make it in the company..thats y got so many negative comments...u think i nv tried meh.....haizzz
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dont bother la bro... just let her suffer that way she will learn
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Haiz...if i can dun care about her then good liao....she is a veri important fren2 me loh...noe wat i mean? But now me n her nv tok 2 each other le...haizzz
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there's little u can do. only her alone can help herself... i've seen ppl whom i thought are strong minded individuals with a mind of their own, gave in to the greed of money and the promise of financial freedom that mlm is said to be able to provide... they wasted thousands of their parents and relatives and friends hard earn money... and they themselves getting nowhere in life... while ppl who chose not to follow them are enjoying considerable success and happiness in their lives...
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Ya...i'm now working damn hard loh...coz DW made me lose so much money....If i got the money, i sure support her 1...ha...But 1 thing i realli admire about her is her nv say die attitude...Regardless of how many setbacks she had, she also can overcome 1...this is something i realli admire about her...she work 2 yrs liao...still proving pple wrong...but i realli wonder how far can she go...Originally posted by leddy:there's little u can do. only her alone can help herself... i've seen ppl whom i thought are strong minded individuals with a mind of their own, gave in to the greed of money and the promise of financial freedom that mlm is said to be able to provide... they wasted thousands of their parents and relatives and friends hard earn money... and they themselves getting nowhere in life... while ppl who chose not to follow them are enjoying considerable success and happiness in their lives...
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hai she don believe then let it be lor.. that time my fren also like tat. in the end he ended up being the loser n regretting.Originally posted by Heartzzz:Guess wat? i told her about this website le lor...n she said she c b4 le!! She even said those who said bad things about the company r those who cannot make it in the company..thats y got so many negative comments...u think i nv tried meh.....haizzz
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Ya lor...Tats y most of my frens said..."U can't make a person grow up..." There's a limit 2 wat u can do, but in the end, its still up 2 the person 2 make the decision....Haiz....She's realli a veri important person 2 me lor....But looks like now our frenship is going thr a tough test now...looks like i'm losing the battle le...losing her completely le....Originally posted by Lambo:hai she don believe then let it be lor.. that time my fren also like tat. in the end he ended up being the loser n regretting. some people are just too naive n must learn the hard way -
posted by Heartzzz:
Ya lor...Tats y most of my frens said..."U can't make a person grow up..." There's a limit 2 wat u can do, but in the end, its still up 2 the person 2 make the decision....Haiz....She's realli a veri important person 2 me lor....But looks like now our frenship is going thr a tough test now...looks like i'm losing the battle le...losing her completely le
posted by Lambo:
hai she don believe then let it be lor.. that time my fren also like tat. in the end he ended up being the loser n regretting. some people are just too naive n must learn the hard way
both of you are correct , 100%.
i have seen this b4 too.
thats how i am able to write out my TYPICAL LIFE CYCLE OF A MLMer theory. -
Originally posted by scarletfever:
Hi...Care 2 share wat u mean by the TLC of a MLMer theory?? Looks like u have been thr all these....care 2 share more?? Thanks..
both of you are correct , 100%.
i have seen this b4 too.
thats how i am able to write out my TYPICAL LIFE CYCLE OF A MLMer theory.
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to heartzzz,
honestly, i really feel sorry for you.
i believe that you are interested in that girl fren of
yours or maybe you both are already a pair.
its bad but normal if you break off due to incompatibility or some differences or 3rd party.
but its totally fuccking unbelievable and ridiculous to lose your GF to some stupid dreams of financial freedom coming from some MLM company.
thats why i have also emphasized this a zillion times in this forum and elsewhere. GUARD YOUR LOVE ONES FROM THIS MLM GARBAGE.
and if you think MLM is bad, wait till you see those LGATs like asiaworks. i believe the next big scam is LGATs after MLM.
(large group awareness training)
do a google on this. i am not going to tell you what it is. i want you to read for yourself and be on your guard against this.
i don't want to see ppl losing their 1st GF to MLM and 2nd GF to LGATs.
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my apologies if this post bores some of those lau ciaos in this forum.
TYPICAL LIFE CYCLE OF MLMER
1) Mr X gets enticed into joining MLM.
He persuades people around him (including YOU) to join him in a new business opportunity,quoting the need to have dual income, need to have entrepreneur spirit, need to change mindset..... He will also quote big and prominent names and corporations and say they are into MLM also...names like Bill Gates, IBM, Microsoft, Nike etc.....
He also claims that his MLM company is the best, with the best product, best mgmt, best team, best remuneration structure.
bankers, lawyers, heart surgeons and 747 pilots have joined this company.
top men in this company drives Porsche, lives in 2 bungalows etc....
He also mentions why things like why work for 40 years and retire for 10years. why not work for 10 years and retire for 40 years.
2) Mr X stops bothering you, taking it that you are hopeless and stubborn and ignorant.
Off he goes on his new "business" venture.
typical paraniod questions thrown at you in the heat of frustration trying to
convince you includes:
i) pyramid selling? can you explain to me what exactly is pyramid selling and the difference between pyramid selling and MLM????????
ii) you not interested then you ask so many questions for what???!!!!!
iii) if I answer this question of yours, you agree to buy and join???, then???!!!!
You will see him approaching people in all scenarios from a wedding banquet, a drinking session, a mahjong session, lunch, Incamp training etc.....
3) Mr X having been rejected by the numerous people that he approaches, now complains to you, and starts to bad-mouth those who reject him, labelling them as no ambition, kiasi, no entrepreneurship and so on. But notice that he will not mention a slight hint of the MLM business he is involved in to you, even if you ask him. Vague answers will be given like new way, new business, new concept of selling.
4) Mr X now having failed considerably to make good on his MLM business, now makes a call to you, asking casually if you are interested in joining his business venture. at most, he will mention the product itself,(magnetic mattress, health food, gold coin) but not the MLM company name itself.
5) Mr X could have approach his MLM upline trying to refund the product, but this will not be made known to people whom he had approached. Whether the refund is successful or not, only Mr X knows, (I would see this as something being done BACKSTAGE, away from the audience)
6) Mr X now still stuck, keeps to himself and stop mentioning the business. this is where the embarassment part comes into play. Extreme embarassment meaning he has shown to you so much faith, hope and promise in the thing at the very beginning and now it has failed him entirely and make him so lost. still he presists and refuses to admit its not working, for saving face sake,
7) so once in a while Mr X unleashes it again,"how would you like to join me in my business."
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Scarletfever, wat u had said is so true....Losing sum1 2 a "job" or "career", as wat she said, is totally unbelievable loh....The worst thing is, she tinks i'm destroying her future by influencing her 2 quit....Haizz...
Regarding the theory, its also veri accurate....I almost become sum1 like tat...but i managed 2 wake up from this nightmare in time.....