Hi everyone
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i seeOriginally posted by Thusness:Now is wife doesn't allow.
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Spirituality is about death.
Die before you die.
Spirituality is about surrender.
What are you grasping, hanging on to?
Spirituality is about letting go.
It is about not knowing.
What scaffolding are you clinging to?
Beliefs?
Teachings?
The body?
The world?
Desires?
Clear present moment awareness.
Does It have any limits, any scaffolding?
Does It rely on any teachings , on any content or experience for it's knowing?
Does It concern itself with past or future?
Present moment awareness is.
What more do you need??? -
Yes indeed, any form of mental perception on truth is to be ignorant.. all spoken words are merely pointersOriginally posted by JonLS:It is about not knowing.
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Hi Thusness,
When every single moment is purely nothing but the unfolding of total presence under differing conditions, there is only chirping birds, drum beats, foot steps, sky, mountainÂ…there never was a Witness hiding anywhere!
There is no mirror reflecting
All along manifestation alone is.
The one hand claps
Everything IS!
Yes!!!
Present moment awareness is!
No witness, simply this!After some thoughtÂ…to prevent one from getting overly excited about the experience of total vitality, total intelligence, total luminous clarity aspect of our pristine awareness and forgot about the importance of causes and conditions Â…
Uh,oh, it seems like thought had crept back in! All is Presence! But “TONGSss…” is radically different from “the blue sky”….
When conditions are, there is. There is no need for a 'who', ‘when’ or ‘where’, only causes and conditions are necessary. This is its nature.
From your description, "TONGSss..." must have been an amazing revelation!
However, should it be remembered? Clung to?
All that is real is the present moment.
Should we cling to the past in any way? -
We are the clear self-shining present moment awareness.
What more is needed?
What more can be said?
Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity.
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From Thusness,
The self-luminous awareness from beginningless time has never been separated
Amen! -
Hi Thusness,
I see you are a 53 year old male and that you are married.
Once, when I was travelling through India, I met a psychiatrist.
The first thing he asked me was "Are you happy or are you married?"
He was joking of course!
Wasn't he???
I'm a 55 year old bachelor from Canada. I was able to retire this year and am now living a life of leisure which is great because I can focus on my one true passion!
The present moment!!!
You mentioned that you went through a difficult financial situation a while ago. How did it turn out? Did you recover from it? -
Wa! Jon! Can you see how old am I? Are u psychic?Originally posted by JonLS:Hi Thusness,
I see you are a 53 year old male and that you are married.
Once, when I was travelling through India, I met a psychiatrist.
The first thing he asked me was "Are you happy or are you married?"
He was joking of course!
Wasn't he???
I'm a 55 year old bachelor from Canada. I was able to retire this year and am now living a life of leisure which is great because I can focus on my one true passion!
The present moment!!!
You mentioned that you went through a difficult financial situation a while ago. How did it turn out? Did you recover from it? -
Originally posted by OCEANOS:
Oops sorry...! hee..
[b]Merry Meet luv me or hate me,
I am "Oceanos" not "Oceanus". Usui Reiki? You from which lineage? Going for Mastership is good, other stuffs aside, it will greatly increase & intensify your healing.
Blessed Be,
Oceanos[/b]
So Oceanos, where do you practise? Do you still teach or? Do you do attunements? -
Hi love me or hate me,
Wa! Jon! Can you see how old am I? Are u psychic?
Thusness posted the fact that he is 53 years old and that he is married.
If you post your age also then I will be able to see how old you are. -
Wahahahaha!!!!! :p -
DBL POSTING AGAIN...
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Originally posted by JonLS:
Hi Jon,
Hi Thusness,
[b]
From your description, "TONGSss..." must have been an amazing revelation!
However, should it be remembered? Clung to?
All that is real is the present moment.
Should we cling to the past in any way?[/b]
You are constantly seeking, yet not seeking
You are looking yet not looking,
You are hearing yet not hearing,
knowing but yet not knowing
Seeing yet not seeing,
Sense but yet you don't feel.
Close your eyes and think of naught'
See the none and know the none.
I wish you serenity Jon. -
Actually, what you said was quite true. someone went to my master for healing. He sensed a presence, and there were about 40 spirits residing in the woman's body. Her complaint was she is not she and she always have different voices in her head. After he expelled them, (cant remember if he expelled all of them, dont think so, he is healer, not exorcist). he fell sick for 3 days and could not get out of bed. I guess someone has to do the job to help others. And he dont turn people away. He said the lady self-invited the spirits to reside in her body. Cos he talked to the spirits/ voices in her body, male and female... Scary..Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Reiki shld be quite good as far as i know... with only one exception: don't anyhow heal people you dont know.. Teacher chen warned before, using spiritual powers to interfere someone else illness can bring you harm, especially if that particular person's illness is due to inflictments by spirits (due to revenge, etc). And you may never know. Even li zhu lao shi don't practise public healing, she healed her mother but never usually do it to others. (but not reiki la)
Eternal-now, Reiki uses Universal Energy, as taught by the masters. I usually imagine it as white light, brightness that does the healing. -
I am 39.Originally posted by JonLS:Hi Thusness,
I see you are a 53 year old male and that you are married.
The experience came when I was 18 and it continues to unfold till today. Yes I am happy with my marriage and my wife has been very supportive mentally during the financial crisis.
In the "no mirror reflecting" I did not write much about certain experiences, I do not know how to express it. I was in Korea with my family and my relatives, there is a sudden outburst of energy and the clarity was tremendous...It just came! The 'bond' must have broken loose, I thought I will just float...lol (The rapture was intense)
I experience incredible bliss over a period of 3+ months in total transparency. Much more intense than all other previous experiences.
I agree with you that Presence cannot be contained by any religion and there is no monopoly over truth. My deep respect for Buddha is the amazing depth of his clarity, insight and compassion and of course the 'missing link' that I most needed to live as pure consciousness. The rest are culture.
Yes...I managed to pull through and am planning to retire in 3 years. Been hinting to my wife that I want to spend time for my spiritual development...hahaha...I think she is mentally prepared. Just "no monk"! I do not want to waste my life in endless mundane pursue. Thanks.You mentioned that you went through a difficult financial situation a while ago. How did it turn out? Did you recover from it?
No wonder u can just 'drop' everything right in the immediate momentI'm a 55 year old bachelor from Canada. I was able to retire this year and am now living a life of leisure which is great because I can focus on my one true passion!
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Khitaka (Thag 1.104) {v. 104} [go up]Originally posted by Thusness:In the "no mirror reflecting" I did not write much about certain experiences, I do not know how to express it. I was in Korea with my family and my relatives, there is a sudden outburst of energy and the clarity was tremendous...It just came! The 'bond' must have broken loose, I thought I will just float...lol (The rapture was intense)
I experience incredible bliss over a period of 3+ months in total transparency. Much more intense than all other previous experiences.
How light my body!
Touched by abundant
rapture & bliss,
— like a cotton tuft
borne on the breeze —
it seems to be floating
— my body!
~ Buddha -
Wow... yes, I mean, normal people like me better not interfere in such cases. But since your master can talk to the spirits, then something could be done so as not to directly confront them firstOriginally posted by luv me or hate me:Actually, what you said was quite true. someone went to my master for healing. He sensed a presence, and there were about 40 spirits residing in the woman's body. Her complaint was she is not she and she always have different voices in her head. After he expelled them, (cant remember if he expelled all of them, dont think so, he is healer, not exorcist). he fell sick for 3 days and could not get out of bed. I guess someone has to do the job to help others. And he dont turn people away. He said the lady self-invited the spirits to reside in her body. Cos he talked to the spirits/ voices in her body, male and female... Scary..
Eternal-now, Reiki uses Universal Energy, as taught by the masters. I usually imagine it as white light, brightness that does the healing. -
Hi Thusness,
There is thinking, no thinker
There is sound, no hearer
Suffering exists, no sufferer
Deeds there are, no doer
I was meditating the above stanza deeply…about its meaning until one day, suddenly I heard ‘tongss…’, it was so clear, there was nothing else, just the sound and nothing else! And ‘tongs…’ resounding…. It was so clear, so vivid!In the "no mirror reflecting" I did not write much about certain experiences, I do not know how to express it. I was in Korea with my family and my relatives, there is a sudden outburst of energy and the clarity was tremendous...It just came! The 'bond' must have broken loose, I thought I will just float...lol (The rapture was intense)
In the first paragraph, you heard "tongss", in the second paragraph there was a sudden outburst of energy and tremendous clarity.
My question for you is do you think that you did something that caused the events to happen or do you think they just happened spontaneously, randomly.
The reason I ask is because the teaching by Tony Parsons says that all events such as you describe, and also enlightenment itself happen spontaneously. There is the appearance that you have done something to bring it about but this is just appearance, it is not real.
What do you think?Yes...I managed to pull through and am planning to retire in 3 years. Been hinting to my wife that I want to spend time for my spiritual development...hahaha...I think she is mentally prepared. Just "no monk"! I do not want to waste my life in endless mundane pursue. Thanks.
You are going to retire at 42 years of age. Wow. Good for you.
I hope your wife lets you.
I agree with you completely about not wanting to waste time with mundane pursuits. I am so glad I don't have to work and waste time earning money anymore. Although I don't think it would change my spiritual development very much if I was very busy. The desire for spiritual development would still remain as strong. -
Hi Thusness,
I'm sorry to bother you again but I just thought of something else.
As I was rereading your experiences and it occured to me that all the teachings I have read have said that experience is not "it".
That experience is just part of the story of becoming , it is part of ego, of appearance.
We are the clear radiant present moment awareness, that is completely free and unfettered NOW.
In your description of your beautiful experiences were you fully identified with the experiences?
I sense there is a point that you have arrived at where what I have just written above is not true. Such as when you mention no more witnessing presence.
So it seems to me that the experience of no "I" would be no experience at all, but just "being".
Could you clarify please? -
He can talk to them cos the voices can be heard. Coming from the woman's mouth but a man's voice... shiver....Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Wow... yes, I mean, normal people like me better not interfere in such cases. But since your master can talk to the spirits, then something could be done so as not to directly confront them first -
Hi JonLS,Originally posted by JonLS:Hi Thusness,
I'm sorry to bother you again but I just thought of something else.
As I was rereading your experiences and it occured to me that all the teachings I have read have said that experience is not "it".
That experience is just part of the story of becoming , it is part of ego, of appearance.
We are the clear radiant present moment awareness, that is completely free and unfettered NOW.
In your description of your beautiful experiences were you fully identified with the experiences?
I sense there is a point that you have arrived at where what I have just written above is not true. Such as when you mention no more witnessing presence.
So it seems to me that the experience of no "I" would be no experience at all, but just "being".
Could you clarify please?
Whatever you experienced and whatever you said is right. It is the degree of clarity. Do not have doubt about these experiences. The way Presence is unfolding in you is amazingÂ…Perhaps your life experiences has helped in the rapid unfolding. It is the thoroughness of being nobody.
For the purpose of discussion, I would like to introduce you one concept, it is the "seed of pre-conscious propensities". It is a layer of ‘bond’ that prevents us from ‘seeing’ something…it is very subtle, very thin, very fine…it goes almost undetected. What this ‘bond’ does is it prevents us from ‘seeing’ what “WITNESS” really is and makes us constantly fall back to the Witness, to the Source, to the Center . Every moment we want to sink back to Witness, to the Center, to this Beingness, this is an illusion. It is habitual and almost hypnotic.
But what exactly is this “witness” we are talking about? It is the manifestation itself! It is the appearance itself! There is no Source to fall back, the Appearance is the Source! Including the moment to moment of thoughts. The problem is we choose, but all is really it. There is nothing to choose.
There is no mirror reflecting
Manifestation alone IS.
There is no invisible witness hiding anywhere. Whenever we attempt to fall back to this “an invisible transparent image “, it is again the mind game of thought. It is the ‘bond’ at work. I wonder this make sense to you. -
I see.. yes the common symptom of spirit possession.Originally posted by luv me or hate me:He can talk to them cos the voices can be heard. Coming from the woman's mouth but a man's voice... shiver.... -
I see it is all about thinking less and less.
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on one hand, it is true as spiritual development unfolds, one becomes less caught up by thoughts. But the bondage that binds us - like a hypnotic bond - is subtle and pre-conscious (meaning it is there whether we think or not). In fact in john's stage one experience, the sense of 'i am' is a sense of self that is beyond thoughts. It is very subtle, like i said, 7th consciousness is pre-conscious. The rest of the journey is deepening the realisation, loosening the bond.Originally posted by Cenarious:I see it is all about thinking less and less. -
What can you do about something pre-conscious?