心经新释, Heart Sutra Online Cartoon

• An Eternal Now

  21 Aug 08, 20:57

  A friend of mine introduced me to this page, which contains Heart Sutra and an explanation of Heart Sutra.

  Check out the 2nd video, which is a video explanation of Heart Sutra.

  http://www.tudou.com/playlist/playindex.do?lid=3173479

  UPDATE: SORRY I MADE A MISTAKEN STATEMENT EARLIER, PLEASE LOOK AT THE POST BELOW. Please note that though the cartoon maker clearly has non-dual experiences (but not insight into non-dual as the pathless reality), it is neither the understanding of Emptiness nor Buddhist understanding of No-Self.
  

• An Eternal Now

  21 Aug 08, 21:04

  a quote from someone else...

  "To meditate implies seeing very clearly and it is not possible to see clearly, or be totally involved in what is seen, when there is a space between the observer and the thing observed. That is, when you see a flower, the beauty of a face, or the lovely sky of an evening, or a bird on the wing, there is space -- not only physically but psychologically -- between you and the flower, between you and the cloud which is full of light and glory; there is space -- psychologically. When there is that space, there is conflict, and that space is made by thought, which is the observer.

  Have you ever looked at a flower without space? Have you ever observed something very beautiful without the space between the observer and the thing observed, between you and the flower? We look at a flower through a screen of words, through the screen of thought, of like and dislike, wishing that flower were in our own garden, or saying 'What a beautiful thing it is.' In that observation, whilst you look, there is the division created by the word, by your feeling of liking, of pleasure, and so there is an inward division between you and the flower and there is no acute perception.

  But when there is no space, then you see the flower as you have never seen it before. When there is no thought, when there is no botanical information about that flower, when there is no like or dislike but only complete attention, then you will se that the space disappears and therefore you will be in complete relationship with that flower, with that bird on the wing, with the cloud, or with that face.

  And when there is such a quality of mind, in which the space between the observer and the thing observed disappears and therefore the thing is seen very clearly, passionately and intensely, then there is the quality of love; and with that love there is beauty."

  ~ J. Krishnamurti

• maggot

  21 Aug 08, 22:47

  Nice video:)
• An Eternal Now

  21 Aug 08, 23:31

  Academic and Zen teacher Dr. David Loy:

  http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-PHIL/david.htm
  
  That sa�s�ra is nirv�ṇa is a major tenet of Mah�y�na philosophy. "Nothing of sa�s�ra is different from nirv�ṇa, nothing of nirv�ṇa is different from sa�s�ra. That which is the limit of nirv�ṇa is also the limit of sa�s�ra; there is not the slightest difference between the two." [1] And yet there must be some difference between them, for otherwise no distinction would have been made and there would be no need for two words to describe the same state. So N�g�rjuna also distinguishes them: "That which, taken as causal or dependent, is the process of being born and passing on, is, taken noncausally and beyond all dependence, declared to be nirv�ṇa." [2] There is only one reality -- this world, right here -- but this world may be experienced in two different ways. Sa�s�ra is the "relative" world as usually experienced, in which "I" dualistically perceive "it" as a collection of objects which interact causally in space and time. Nirv�ṇa is the world as it is in itself, nondualistic in that it incorporates both subject and object into a whole which, M�dhyamika insists, cannot be characterized (Chandrakīrti: "Nirv�ṇa or Reality is that which is absolved of all thought-construction"), but which Yog�c�ra nevertheless sometimes calls "Mind" or "Buddhanature," and so forth.

• An Eternal Now

  22 Aug 08, 00:54

  OOPS salah liao! Posted wrong video!!

• An Eternal Now

  22 Aug 08, 01:02

  Regarding:

  Thusness said it shows "non-dual insight" and "there is deep clarity. :)"

   

  Very sorry, Thusness was refering to another video... a talk by 元音�人.

  The video on the Heart Sutra explanation is still Thusness's Stage 2 level of understanding (see http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/thusnesss-six-stages-of-experience.html), or like the Hindu Advaita Vedanta sort of understanding, not Buddhist understanding of Anatta.... that is, though the video shows deep non-dual experience, it is still not the insight into the pathless (without entry and exit). Reality is still mistaken as the I AMness (see first 2 paragraphs of http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2007/03/mistaken-reality-of-amness.html).

  The cartoon does not show the Buddhist understanding of No-Self. That means Non-Duality still becomes a stage to enter rather than an insight into what Always Is (i.e. there never was a subject-object split, all along in hearing just sounds and no hearer, in seeing just sceneries but no seer).

  Actually I already thought so initially and I told my friend the exact same thing yesterday, but I misunderstood what Thusness told me today morning. This is because he was led from that URL to another video, and he was not refering to the above video.

  The video above on Heart Sutra explanation is NOT the understanding of Emptiness. Though Thusness also said, "Some explanations r still ok".

   

  (12:29 AM) Thusness:  U must watch the second video (AEN: the one by 元音è€�人, see 元音è€�人's videos)

  (12:34 AM) Thusness: 元音�人
  (12:35 AM) Thusness: I will watch all of it.
  (12:35 AM) Thusness: If I got time. 
  
  (12:38 AM) Thusness: Then u posted wrongly on the buddhism forum. 
   
  (12:38 AM) Thusness: Too bad.  He (元音è€�人) is the level of practitioner I m looking for. 
  (12:38 AM) Thusness: But dead liao. 
  
  (12:46 AM) Thusness: If u can understand what he said, u will understand the essence of 5 and 6. 
  (12:48 AM) Thusness: One that broke the stage 5 and understand 6 but no philosophical concepts 
  (12:48 AM) Thusness: Direct experience 
  
  (12:49 AM) Thusness: Got to listen more. 
  (12:50 AM) Thusness: he is the sort of practitioner I seek for. 
  (12:50 AM) Thusness: Self liberation 
  
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  (about the cartoon in the first post, different from what Thusness is talking about above)
   
  (12:41 AM) Thusness: The cartoon is not about emptiness 
  (12:42 AM) Thusness: Some explanations r still ok 
  (12:43 AM) Thusness: Not pathless 
  (12:44 AM) Thusness: That is just my view. 
  (12:44 AM) Thusness: U just hv to know.

  Earlier on:

  (12:39 PM) Thusness: The understanding is stage 2 but the experience is stage 5.
  (12:39 PM) Thusness: therefore it is advaita sort of understanding.

• An Eternal Now

  22 Aug 08, 01:04

  I wonder anyone knows or read about 元音�人 before?

• An Eternal Now

  22 Aug 08, 01:20

  Just found out...

  元 音�人 passed away 8 years ago at the age of 96 in a sitting position while chanting the Sukhavati. Vyuha Dharani loudly. He displayed no signs of sickness or dying during his last days but foretold his disciples that he will be leaving. When he died many miraculous visions of golden and 5 coloured lights, lotuses, auspicious clouds, etc etc were seen by masses. After his body was cremated there were alot of sharira and sharira-flowers.

  
  
  

  

  元音�人�利

  

  

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  近�年�，于阿阇黎处�法人数达数万，��全国�地�美国�德国�法国�加拿大�日本等国，而修有�就者也略有其人，明心�性者为数�多，往生净土� 已�具足往生资格者更是��胜数，故许多汉人去�地大活佛处求法，而大活佛皆告以汉地元音�人乃真实�就之大善知识，故�地回汉的学法者多亲近阿阇黎。在 此末法浊世，人根�其陋劣的当今，尚能使许多众生得佛法真实利益，此何其之难哉�阿阇黎犹如是冰雪大地上一根�红的钢炭，在�化众生的执�，�如是沙地上 行驶的航船，在艰难地渡人迈�彼岸，此诚���议之伟业�相信在未�的�月里，必将有阿阇黎门下之有学有修有�的优秀佛�，广���大愿，为拯救众生于水 �，出而弘扬正法，此乃有志于真实修学并�之佛�翘首以盼之美事耳�

  
  阿阇黎于闲暇时，著有《略论明心�性》�《悟心铭浅释》�《碧岩录讲座》�《禅海微澜》�《心�抉�》�《谈谈往生西方的关键问题》等皆汇集在《佛法 修�心�》中，�外还有《中有闻教得度释义》也已出版，《楞严�直解》惜已散失，《�河大手�浅释》�《佛法修�心�问答集》�久将�世，《问答集》必将 给修�而无从请益者带��大利益。

  
  �人虽已�报而法身常在，并以��方便加��弟�们，此诚许多修法弟�之所默祷者也。

  二○○○年三月三�日

• An Eternal Now

  22 Aug 08, 02:10

  Talks by 元音�人: http://www.tudou.com/playlist/playindex.do?lid=1672155&iid=9857580

  But I don't know which talk did Thusness watched...

• Thusness

  22 Aug 08, 11:23

  Originally posted by An Eternal Now:

  Talks by 元音�人: http://www.tudou.com/playlist/playindex.do?lid=1672155&iid=9857580

  But I don't know which talk did Thusness watched...

  
  Ai yoh... don't over emphaiszed. Told you it is just my opinion.

   

  It is at this link http://www.tudou.com/playlist/playindex.do?lid=3173479

  The

  心�大�

  by 元音�人.

  Discern with your own wisdom.  :)

   

   

   

• An Eternal Now

  22 Aug 08, 14:20

  Originally posted by Thusness:

  
  Ai yoh... don't over emphaiszed. Told you it is just my opinion.

   

  It is at this link http://www.tudou.com/playlist/playindex.do?lid=3173479

  The

  心�大�

  by 元音�人.

  Discern with your own wisdom.  :)

   

   

   

  I see... thanks

• maggot

  22 Aug 08, 22:42

  Please look at the link the last few videos are the ones by 元音�人