What's Buddhism's view abt Aggression towards other faiths?
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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
Talking facts. I know, sometimes facts hurt. Sorry !
yah playing with ppl's gender is fun . lol
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Buddha: "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one getting burned."
sigh. looks like my views about encouraging forgiveness in this forum is totally unwelcomed and have gone down the drain. just continue with what you are doing now, if you think this is what a peace-loving and forgiving Buddhist ought to be.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
ironfist is a lady fyi.
Actually I can attest to the fact that ironfist is male because I have met him many times.
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Originally posted by Dondontan:
Alert 2nd christian troll in buddhism forum!
Just a note, I don't think TS is a Christian.
He appears to be from Soka Gakkai, though Soka Gakkai is linked with Nichiren which has Buddhist origins, this forum does not recognise Soka Gakkai and as such links from SGI are not allowed (though they are allowed to post/discuss).
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Originally posted by I Am Oneness:
There appears to be quite a few learned and wise Buddhists in this forum. But I noticed something strange when I found regular Buddhists in this forum behaving so aggressively on a daily basis in another SGforum: Eternal Hope (http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1381). I'm not sure if such behaviour also appears in other similar forums elsewhere.
I'm sure other regular and peace-loving readers of this forum will also like to know: what's Buddhism's views about aggression towards people of other faiths and religions?
Will the moderators or learned Buddhists in this forum like to share your views, and provide relevant quotes to support or condone such aggressive behaviour towards people of other faiths?
PS: I am a regular reader of SGforums, and I didn't feel the need to post, until now, as it's a pretty disturbing situation, especially for new Buddhists.
I think so far the only Buddhist that post articles against Christian beliefs is Rooney.
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Originally posted by xXIron_fistXx:
yah playing with ppl's gender is fun . lol
Don't get what you mean ? Gender is referring to male or female. Can you be more specific ?
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Originally posted by I Am Oneness:
Buddha: "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one getting burned."
sigh. looks like my views about encouraging forgiveness in this forum is totally unwelcomed and have gone down the drain. just continue with what you are doing now, if you think this is what a peace-loving and forgiving Buddhist ought to be.
This is not a matter of anger and forgiveness. This is about facts. Buddhists must put the facts straight and correct wrong perceptions. If you are a Buddhist, I will encourage you to correct wrong perceptions of others instead of keeping quiet, thinking that is forgiveness.
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Originally posted by I Am Oneness:
Buddha: "Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one getting burned."
sigh. looks like my views about encouraging forgiveness in this forum is totally unwelcomed and have gone down the drain. just continue with what you are doing now, if you think this is what a peace-loving and forgiving Buddhist ought to be.
Say it to the christians, they are the first to show how unforgiving and wicked they are in the EH so don't bring that over to this forum.
http://bible.cc/matthew/7-5.htm
Admit it, you are a troll.
Don't talk as if that peaceloving is not preached in Christianity, you want point fingers point at yourself and the ill behaved christians in EH first.
Jesus is an example, the saviour of Christians for them to follow instead they follow the ways of Satan to "kill" non christians.
I asked decent questions in bother Eternal Hope and Buddhism forums. ONly the buddhists in buddhism forum bother to be kind to answer it. The christians in EH not only did they not reply but they bash me. So if you do not get facts right, you are no different from those evil christians in EH. IN fact, you are most likely a clone of one of them like SomebodyinSG, and so on.
In fact, people who are level headed, mature, objective, kind and sensible can tell that the people in buddhism forum are the ones who are peaceloving, sensible and kind.
So if you are all the way to destroy this forum, no way. God is forgiving and loving, waiting for you to go to him to acknowledge your sin of attempting to bring harm here, if you acknowledge your sins and repent God will forgive you. If not you will be judge jialat jialat on judgment day.
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Hi Oneness
You were right rather right about the trend. I supposed they were hurt by the strong remarks directed at their faith which is Buddhism. Of course, most mature buddhist will be brushed off those remarks as lack of understanding. Beside, it also imply that they were ready to stand and defend their faith. In the Christian circle, such people were known as apologetic. Among this group of apologetic, there are some who are well versed in the Buddhism Scripture and teaching but some who is out to defend and put down due to the emotion outburst.
Personally, I would encourage the latter group to follow Eternal Now and Wisdom Eye recommendation. I am reminded of a story. When CiñcÄ�-MÄ�navikÄ� accuse Buddha of impregnanting her due to an illict affair, he was silent. Although most of the disciples reacted knowing that the Buddhism community reputation will be affected. However, Buddha always remind them that the truth will be reveal in due time. True enough, one fine day, Cinca stumbled and fall. People discovered that her pregnancy was a hoax. It was actual a wooden disc which she has been tying around her body.
Well, the story did reveal 2 things EQ and maturity. Neither Buddha nor the community is wrong. It just the way we handle things. Thats make the difference between Buddha and us. Thankfully, we have the Buddha nature is within us and we can always change to be more like him.
Lastly, I would like to conclude by quoting from the bible Luke 6:31,"Do to others as you would have them do to you" and Confucius analect , " Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself. " Perhaps is good for all us(Christian, Buddhist, Atheist etc) to reflect if we are applying this GOLDEN RULE our life in the midst of our posting.
Gassho
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Originally posted by wisdomeye:
In general, when others criticise one's own beliefs, the main impulse to respond roots partially from a sense of insecurity in one's own faith which is really lack of faith or confidence. If something is true, it remains true no matter the amount of averse opinions against it. One does not feel in the slightest threatened. Suppose i shd insist that you are blind, when you can perfectly see, then it doesn't become much of an issue for you. You know you can see, that's all that matters. Would you engage in a lively debate on it?
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Originally posted by I Am Oneness:
There appears to be quite a few learned and wise Buddhists in this forum. But I noticed something strange when I found regular Buddhists in this forum behaving so aggressively on a daily basis in another SGforum: Eternal Hope (http://www.sgforums.com/forums/1381). I'm not sure if such behaviour also appears in other similar forums elsewhere.
I'm sure other regular and peace-loving readers of this forum will also like to know: what's Buddhism's views about aggression towards people of other faiths and religions?
Will the moderators or learned Buddhists in this forum like to share your views, and provide relevant quotes to support or condone such aggressive behaviour towards people of other faiths?
PS: I am a regular reader of SGforums, and I didn't feel the need to post, until now, as it's a pretty disturbing situation, especially for new Buddhists.
Dear TS,
Generally most Buddhists do not behave in such ways; not just because of their faith in the Buddha's teachings, but they also believe in self-discipline, self-respect and respect for others.
Most Buddhists also do not react aggressively when others (religious members or not) are harsh or fierce towards them.
If you are a Buddhist, then it would be in your best interest to remind yourself about what anger does to oneself and others using the Buddha's teachings. And then take the opportunity to understand the nature of anger and strive to transform it into something equally strong but yet positive and truly beneficial - compassion and equanimity.
Speak up and quote relevant teachings from wise people of ancient and modern time about anger and how it affects peace and harmony whenever it is appropriate to defuse the tense situation at that time.
If you are a non-Buddhist, then you can also understand anger from a secular perspective - it raises your blood pressure, creates unnecessary mental and emotional disturbance in oneself and/or in others, etc.
But take note, even Buddhists are humans. Not all are saints or enlightened people. Even I can make mistakes of saying things that make fellow Buddhists feel uncomfortable even though I don't have the real intention to...
To sum up, we can only keep on learning how to deal with our emotions (through self-reflection for example), and how to respond with peace and love when experiencing the raw negative emotions from others, online or otherwise.
It is very hard to do, no doubts about that. I had failed many times, and am still making mistakes. But hey as long we are truly willing to learn to understand our emotions and the real consequences that have come to us or will eventually come to us, we will know what we should really do to enjoy real peace and harmony with all fellow human beings, one day.
All the best, TS. =)
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As I said before, I was surrounded by Christians, my relatives used to say I ä¸æ¯’太深。I always tell them I know better whether I am "poisoned" or not. When it is time to rebut, we have to rebut. I don't need their apologies, I just need a fair statement. What facts they have to say Buddhism is not true ?
There is a saying that most of the broken families are Buddhists or Taoists. I heard that many times from Christians. They remind of the story "Frog in the Well". I always tell them that it is general knowledge that the divorce rates in western countries (e.g. UK. European countries, U.S. etc.) are very much higher than here. They were kind of shock when they heard that, as if they suddenly realised what I said was true.
At the end of every chanting, we used to recite :ä¼—ç”Ÿæ— è¾¹èª“æ„¿åº¦ If we don't speak up, how to度 ?
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Being aggressive itself does not mean that the idea will beconveyed across properly and accepted by people. It can just put people off. I don't think one should judge a religion based on someone's behaviour in a forum. I have never heard of a religion without its black sheeps admist the rest. So why associate a religion and someone's behaviour when we cannot really see there someone can be representation of the person's particular religion.
I think in singapore... we emphasis on racial and religious harmony because we learn from the past how much bloodshed disharmony racial riots can be..
I don't think we can say for our religion but we learn from the Buddha - his compassionate and wisdom in dealing with life. relying on his teaching to become a better person.
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Originally posted by I Am Oneness:
I consider Gandhi a good role model . Do you think peace-loving Buddhists ought to be like him? I hope the more experienced seniors here will share more real-life lessons about what Buddhism really means, and the good it does in improving a person's character. Wonder how many SOKA members are readers of this forum. hopefully they'll share more insights to help.
speaking of SOKA, i just heard this story from my mom.............
one of her friends has a son and daughter-in-law that are christians that virtually forced her to be converted to a christian...........
and you know what ? the priest from their church took the (Gohonzon) without knowledge of the old woman and BURNED it.................
by the way, are you Googoomuck ? if you are, you're doing a great job so far.............your new style of writing is so different ! keep it up............brudder..............
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Originally posted by As romanista2001:
speaking of SOKA, i just heard this story from my mom.............
one of her friends has a son and daughter-in-law that are christians that virtually forced her to be converted to a christian...........
and you know what ? the priest from their church took the (Gohonzon) without knowledge of the old woman and BURNED it.................
by the way, are you Googoomuck ? if you are, you're doing a great job so far.............your new style of writing is so different ! keep it up............brudder..............
That old woman you mentioned is not strong and fierce enough. I know an old woman whose children are all Christians. She told me they threw away the Buddha statue and scriptures without her knowledge and even brought their pastor to talk to her. She told me she scolded and chased the pastor out of her house. She even debated with the pastor, telling the pastor it was nonsense that those who believe in Jesus will go to heaven.
I really admire her wisdom and courage. Imagine she is already more than 70 years old. She told me we have to stay firm to our belief.
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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
That old woman you mentioned is not strong and fierce enough. I know an old woman whose children are all Christians. She told me they threw away the Buddha statue and scriptures without her knowledge and even brought their pastor to talk to her. She told me she scolded and chased the pastor out of her house. She even debated with the pastor, telling the pastor it was nonsense that those who believe in Jesus will go to heaven.
I really admire her wisdom and courage. Imagine she is already more than 70 years old. She told me we have to stay firm to our belief.
omfg. I cant believed what I read. pastor going down to people's house to harrass people? this is just so much. what a bunch of washed out people. they are the ones who are ä¸æ¯’太深 lol. t here is another chinese follow up to this. no medicine can cure
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
I think so far the only Buddhist that post articles against Christian beliefs is Rooney.
i'm one of those jokers too...............i think i was more prolific than Rooney9.
by the way, why is Soka not recognized by this forum ?
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Originally posted by Dawnfirstlight:
That old woman you mentioned is not strong and fierce enough. I know an old woman whose children are all Christians. She told me they threw away the Buddha statue and scriptures without her knowledge and even brought their pastor to talk to her. She told me she scolded and chased the pastor out of her house. She even debated with the pastor, telling the pastor it was nonsense that those who believe in Jesus will go to heaven.
I really admire her wisdom and courage. Imagine she is already more than 70 years old. She told me we have to stay firm to our belief.
that's why i say a lot of old people convert to christianity becoz of their children..............
the best part is the son and daughter-in-law actually living off the mother.....................
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Soka Gakkai is not recognised as mainstream Buddhism locally and in Japan for several reasons. As I explained in http://buddhism.sgforums.com/forums/1728/topics/362888:
From my previous discussion with an SGI member, I sense that Soka Gakkai has very little about walking the eightfold path, about attaining liberation, realising our true nature and enlightenment. Their teachings is very skewed towards humanism and their idea of Buddhahood is also warped. There is very little emphasis on teaching the core Buddha's teachings.
Buddhism isn't about morality, humanism, etc.. but about awareness, ending the cycle of birth and death and attaining liberation from all sufferings. Humanism helps the world to become a better place but does not solve the root ignorance in human being that is perpetuating the cycle of rebirth and suffering.
Those looking into Buddhism, I would advise them to look into mainstream Buddhism teachings, understand them first.
Also from Nichiren Buddhism:
Dear all,
Nichiren Buddhism has been in the mainstream Buddhist circle as seen in the website of Japan Buddhist Federation (http://www.jbf.ne.jp/) where Nichiren Buddhist schools are members with exception to Nichiren Shoshu & Soka Gakkai.
Probably what needs to be banned from this forum is actually "Nichirenism". Well, I'll make a summary explanation of this.
In Japan, Buddhism is almost exclusively of the Northern tradition (Mahayana). The lineages are mainly from Tiendai (Tien-tai), Shingon, Jodo (Pure Land), Zen, Nichiren & Nara schools. Due to the sectarian nature of Japanese Buddhism, each lineage consists of subsects together with the main sect.
For Nichiren Buddhism, the main sect will be Nichiren Shu with subsects such as Kempon Hokke Shu, Honmon Butsuryu Shu, Honmon Hokke Shu & 3 offshoots of Hokke Shu. There are 2 sects that advocates "Nichirenism" instead & they are Honmon Shoshu, Nichiren Shoshu & its one-time lay organisation Soka Gakkai.
Here's the brief difference between Nichiren Shu, Nichiren Shoshu & Soka Gakkai:
3 Treasures of Buddhism
- Buddha
- Dhamma
- Sangha
1) Nichiren Shu
- Buddha : Eternal Sakyamuni Buddha
- Dhamma : Mahayana Tripitaka with the Lotus Sutra as base, Namu Myoho Renge Kyo
- Sangha : Nichiren Shonin (with the monastics & lay community)
2) Nichiren Shoshu
- Buddha : Nichiren Daishonin
- Dhamma : The Lotus Sutra, Nam Myoho Rengo Kyo (with emphasize on the Goshos)
- Sangha : Nikko Shonin & successive High Priests
3) Soka Gakkai [2 types]
{A} Official
- Buddha : Nichiren Daishonin
- Dhamma : The Lotus Sutra, Nam Myoho Rengo Kyo (with emphasize on the Goshos)
- Sangha : Nikko Shonin
{B} In Reality
- Buddha : President Daisaku Ikeda
- Dhamma : Writings & Teachings of the President & Soka Gakkai
- Sangha : Soka Gakkai organisation & members
Reason for stating the above 3 organisations is that they are more known thru out the world & are ones with branches in Singapore.
For more info about Nichiren Shu, check out http://nichiren-shu.org/ , Malaysia branch (http://www.nshumy.org/) & Indonesia branch (http://www.nishi.org/)
Homage to the Original Teacher Lord Sakyamuni Buddha
Buddha's Grace,
Supa Naga -
one thing i find weird about the Japs is that they say the Amitabha buddha will create a Pure Land for them to achieve nirvana ??
but i find that idea disturbing since it sounds like a kind of private heaven..............and didn't the Buddha said that no one can create any such place ?
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Originally posted by As romanista2001:
one thing i find weird about the Japs is that they say the Amitabha buddha will create a Pure Land for them to achieve nirvana ??
but i find that idea disturbing since it sounds like a kind of private heaven..............and didn't the Buddha said that no one can create any such place ?
Actually pure land buddhism did not originated from Japan.
It is taught by Buddha in Amitabha Sutra which is from India, which led to the Pure Land sect focusing on this dharma door in China, before it was imported into Japan later on.
I am not aware of Buddha saying he cannot create such places. Buddha is all powerful. It is just an expedient, skillful means. Pure land is also not the same as heaven, as heaven is a samsaric plane.
Others can answer better than me because I am not a pure land Buddhist.
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As romanista2001 you're from SGI?
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so is pureland within samsara?
cos to achieve enlightenment and Nirvana, one has to realise it himself/herself. the buddha's are only teachers.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:
so is pureland within samsara?
cos to achieve enlightenment and Nirvana, one has to realise it himself/herself. the buddha's are only teachers.
Those who are born in pure land is no longer in the cycle of rebirth, and will surely attain enlightenment there.
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Originally posted by An Eternal Now:
Those who are born in pure land is no longer in the cycle of rebirth, and will surely attain enlightenment there.
but pureland is not Nirvana. when one attained enlightenment, they realised the truth. when they die, they pass into Nirvana. if pureland is no longer in samsara, then it must be Nirvana. This is what the Buddha taught isnt it. some contradictions here.