Chineseboy marries Muslimgirl -Scenario
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Ceecookie.... Bloody hell.... I (and so many other people) have already blasted you in another forum for being so insensitive with regards to the earthquake/ tsunami disaster in Sumatra..... now you show your nonsense here as well..... Religious harmony is a delicate thing which we all work hard at to maintain, and it is walking pieces of sh*t like you who try to destabilise everything.Originally posted by ceecookie:tats why muslim are stupid and u ahve to convert.....like a one way trip to hell..
*phew*
Before I blast you some more, I suggest you take back what you said.
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well serves you right for all the problems..so many girl u dont want u want a girl whose ideologies and customs bring you all these "problems", serves u right lor..now u gotta settle yourselves.actually can what..perenakan were half chinese half malay but they arent muslim..so i suppose u can don't convert and stuff.
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Never heard that before...well now I know. At least you know the reason for circumcision
As for the girls, I tot i said very clearly. It is said that (statistically proven) girls will at least get an infection of some kind (on their privates) once in their lifetime.
It is also a fact that most uncircumcised males do not have hygene or infection problems as opposed to popular believes.
*phew* .
I'm quite unwilling to talk about the convenant part 'cause it my explanations may offend the Christians...
And about the uncircumcised males thing...the popular belief is actually that they are more prone to get an infection, not "confirmed that they will get unless they circumcise".
IF all guys WILL get infection if they don't shed the foreskin, then guys world-wide would be circumcising!=pPp.
There's just one problem about the Darwin thing. It's confusing if you ask me. Some say what you said, but others oppose, and say that he really did deny the theory at his deathbed.
The story about Charles Darwin is one of the most CRAP and underhand strategies used by Creationists and religious people to MISLEAD people, solely becoz his Theory of Evolution was running against what was in their religious scriptures - that Mankind evolved from animals. Please take note that the rumour about Darwin denying his own theory is COMPLETELY UNTRUE = This is what happens when people blindly follow or listen to others without checking it out themselves.
Evolution is a FACT and it is happening as we speak, whether u like it or not, whether there is God or not. Denying it is as good as 'refusing to acknowledge your very existence'.
Those interested in the scientific answers and rebuts of rumours and doubts can visit http://talkorigins.org/ (i'm sure most questions are answered there).
The only scientific explanation available for the existence of the world is the Big Bang. I think it's too miraculous for things to exist in such proportion, but that is what I think.
It's the same as Poopie-Head's belief that a god can't exist, but it's his opinion. We can discuss this, but I don't think the forum is suitable. The thread will most likely turn into religion-bashing/no-religion bashing. Explanations are easily misinterpreted too.
Anyway, evolution happening now? So far, nothing has evolved. In case we DO evolve, let's take a picture of ourselves so that the future generations can check if they did=P
There really is no solution to the marriage. It just won't work out. People tried it before (yes, that means the muslim broke the Islamic law), and the kids ended up screwed up.
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C'mon. Act your age. You're 14 years old this year aren't you? You're being one of the ignorant people in society who assume that Muslims are violent, dillusioned people. Well, they're not.Originally posted by ceecookie:tats why muslim are stupid and u ahve to convert.....like a one way trip to hell..
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Agreed.. majority r moderates.. they juz feel victimised byt the Western world esp the US.. but will not resort to violence.. rather via lobbying..Originally posted by 6White_Pawn9:C'mon. Act your age. Your 14 years old this year aren't you? You're being one of the ignorant people in society who assume that Muslims are violent, dillusioned people. Well, they're not.
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true.. sometimes i wonder how fair is it.. marrying a muslim u muz convert to ISlam but nv the other way..Originally posted by Poopie-Head:Agreed, but then that's talking about 'sacrifices' or 'giving and taking'.
However, as mentioned, you are not supposed to feel 'forced' into the religion, you are suppose to accept it from the bottom of ur heart. If the boy dont really feel he can accept the religion but still the two of them wanna marry, then how?
that's the problem
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actually i remember this woman who called up my workplace and spoke in chines
and she refered to her self as mrs "chinese surname" so i naturally thought she's a chinese, but when she came to pick up her stuff , i got a surprise cos she looks 100%malay and even spoke malay to her companions, later i asked my colleagues , they told me that she married a chinese guy and coverted to chink -
Originally posted by Gackt247:
The non-muslim has to convert if the Musim girl stays a Muslim, which means that she continues to follow Islamic law. Most of the time the guy gets converted because Islam makes sense to him, the girl convinces him that it's a true religion.
true.. sometimes i wonder how fair is it.. marrying a muslim u muz convert to ISlam but nv the other way..
If you don't have a religion, there aren't any rules. You can, in a sense, do anything you want.
The conversion applies for a Muslim, and if the Muslim knows that his/her partner is a Non-muslim, the Muslim must know that he/she cannot marry him/her. -
convert to chink????Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:actually i remember this woman who called up my workplace and spoke in chines
and she refered to her self as mrs "chinese surname" so i naturally thought she's a chinese, but when she came to pick up her stuff , i got a surprise cos she looks 100%malay and even spoke malay to her companions, later i asked my colleagues , they told me that she married a chinese guy and coverted to chink -
i think there is a good chance tt pple marrying malays need not convert in sg.. sg having one of the most modernised malays could possibly break tradition.. i know of a malay lady who doesnt even bother to fast as Hari Raya Puasa approaches.. i tink this scenario is not very far-fetched..
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But "Chinese" is a race...and Malays don't have surnames. Who knows? If she was a Muslim, that means she abandoned Islam since you said she converted...Originally posted by oldbreadstinks:actually i remember this woman who called up my workplace and spoke in chines
and she refered to her self as mrs "chinese surname" so i naturally thought she's a chinese, but when she came to pick up her stuff , i got a surprise cos she looks 100%malay and even spoke malay to her companions, later i asked my colleagues , they told me that she married a chinese guy and coverted to chink
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Malays are arace...not a religion. Hari Raya is an Islamic thing, and the words Hari Raya are malay words. "Hari Raya" is called "Eid Day" in English.Originally posted by Gackt247:i think there is a good chance tt pple marrying malays need not convert in sg.. sg having one of the most modernised malays could possibly break tradition.. i know of a malay lady who doesnt even bother to fast as Hari Raya Puasa approaches.. i tink this scenario is not very far-fetched..
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i've heard of this guy, his gf and her family are very open minded, they said he need not convert, she, instead converted to buddhist. it's up to individual i guess.
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As for the girls, I tot i said very clearly. It is said that (statistically proven) girls will at least get an infection of some kind (on their privates) once in their lifetime.
It is also a fact that most uncircumcised males do not have hygene or infection problems as opposed to popular believes.
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Never heard that before...well now I know. At least you know the reason for circumcision *phew* .
Before I get misunderstood, lets just say circumcision, male or female, is NOT the solution to infection. Female circumcision has met with even more fierce objection and is considered a very cruel act.
I'm quite unwilling to talk about the convenant part 'cause it my explanations may offend the Christians...
And about the uncircumcised males thing...the popular belief is actually that they are more prone to get an infection, not "confirmed that they will get unless they circumcise".
IF all guys WILL get infection if they don't shed the foreskin, then guys world-wide would be circumcising!=pPp.
Yup, like i said, it is only an 'assumption', with no statistical evidence to back it up. Also, i'm not saying 'ALL guys will get infection' too. Rather I'm saying most who did not circumcise did not get any infection at all. So the term 'more prone' is highly arguable, since most people didnt get infection anyway. If this is the case, then why prevent something that is so rare? It's just as good as shaving every single person's head bald just so to prevent spreading of head lice. The end result is very similar - you do something that affects alot of people to prevent the rare occurence of some infection, and finally, you might reduce the occurence but then on the other hand, introduce other problems.
As for the convenant part, me being the ever curious guy
, can we talk in PM, or better yet exchange email addr so we can discuss/share info?
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The story about Charles Darwin is one of the most CRAP and underhand strategies used by Creationists and religious people to MISLEAD people, solely becoz his Theory of Evolution was running against what was in their religious scriptures - that Mankind evolved from animals. Please take note that the rumour about Darwin denying his own theory is COMPLETELY UNTRUE = This is what happens when people blindly follow or listen to others without checking it out themselves.
Evolution is a FACT and it is happening as we speak, whether u like it or not, whether there is God or not. Denying it is as good as 'refusing to acknowledge your very existence'.
Those interested in the scientific answers and rebuts of rumours and doubts can visit http://talkorigins.org/ (i'm sure most questions are answered there).
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There's just one problem about the Darwin thing. It's confusing if you ask me. Some say what you said, but others oppose, and say that he really did deny the theory at his deathbed.
It's not confusing if u ask me. Say all your life u've been working on a breakthru formula which u have struggled against all odds, even almost died for it. Do u think the chance is high that you will just suddenly, at ur deathbed, DENY your own lifetime work which u strongly believed to be true, and to deny it straight with no known reason? Bare in mind, Darwin is a scientist, rational reasoning is in his nature.
Anyway, the point is - it doesnt really matter! Why?
Ok, lets just take it that he DID deny his own work. So does that matter? No. How come? Becoz Evolution is part of nature - it is a natural phenomenon, there are so many overwhelming evidence to support it. So what if a person (even Darwin for that matter) denies it? It doesnt make nature go away. Just like if Newton rejects the law of Gravity, it doesnt make gravity go away. It's here to stay, whether u like it or not.
The only scientific explanation available for the existence of the world is the Big Bang. I think it's too miraculous for things to exist in such proportion, but that is what I think.
It's the same as Poopie-Head's belief that a god can't exist, but it's his opinion. We can discuss this, but I don't think the forum is suitable. The thread will most likely turn into religion-bashing/no-religion bashing. Explanations are easily misinterpreted too.
Anyway, evolution happening now? So far, nothing has evolved. In case we DO evolve, let's take a picture of ourselves so that the future generations can check if they did=P
There really is no solution to the marriage. It just won't work out. People tried it before (yes, that means the muslim broke the Islamic law), and the kids ended up screwed up.
Big Bang, Evolution, etc are separate fields in science, so it is better to view them separately. Like I said, big events like Big Bang, etc should be broken down and looked at separately and in detail before we are able to start to understand its nature. Dont jump to conclusions just by looking at the surface. For example, to solve a very complex mathematics question, we need to look at each part separately and break it down to smaller parts. We can never solve a complex problem just by looking at the problem at the surface level. We can discuss this privately if u want.
And what do u mean 'the kids ended up screwed up'? Pls elaborate?
The non-muslim has to convert if the Musim girl stays a Muslim, which means that she continues to follow Islamic law.
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i'm veri racist,dun wan to marry another race...so no comments
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Why must the muslim force the groom to convert ? I mean why not let him remains as his religion while the bride remains as a muslim, much like wat christians do now.
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talk cock sing song all of u. i marry a malay i also nvr convert. i also nvr change my name in my ic. but i have a muslim name whh my in laws used. and my kids name very stylo one. my wife's still a muslim and we celebrate both hari raya and cny. dun know wat's the big deal all abt. u guys really frog in a well. hahahaha
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hey BTW can muslim pple convert to other religon??? i heard they very strong in beliving islam and they will not convert.....
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they can. but the price to pay is greatOriginally posted by ceecookie:hey BTW can muslim pple convert to other religon??? i heard they very strong in beliving islam and they will not convert..... -
hmmm..care to read this. my own experience...Originally posted by Poopie-Head:And what do u mean 'the kids ended up screwed up'? Pls elaborate?
my dad is a Muslim n my mum was a Christian.
dun say i din have much troubles during my youth in searching for God. i was born as a Muslim. but my mum was still a Christian back then. it was a hard times, bcos my mum's family are most Christian, my mum's friends are Christian, even my friends at school were Christian. yes, they did told me to convert to Christian. as i was abt to convert, my dad said NO ! although my mum had said yes. i was abt. 12 year-old that time. so..there was i..12 - 15 y.o.kid..trying to search for God..who's God ? what's God ? still..until almost my last year at junior high school, still hasn't decided yet what religion that i belong. until...there was one time, i HAVE TO join 'pesantren kilat' (Islam term for retreat). i was..huh ??? i din even know how to pray 5 times a day !!! OMG !!! i din wanna go, but i HAVE TO, cos the school required all Muslim to go. i was learning how to pray in a short time... i did go for the retreat. must say that all of my Muslim friends n teachers are very nice n so helpful. and i felt so blessed that i did go for that retreat. i finally found what i was searching for for a long time. i finally accept Islam as my religion. not because of my dad told me to. but because i want to and i do believe it. and i am so content now that i am a Muslim. i dun care how people or my mum's family say that Islam is bad or Muslim are poor (yes, my relatives did say that). i know what's good for me n i know that i'm in the right way.
and oh...after junior high school ended, i studied in a Christian Private School (cos that school was n still is known as a very good school). so i also did learn abt. Christian. but at that moment i'm already a Muslim. n i din hv even a slight thought to convert to any other religion. it's ok to know abt. other religions, n they also teach good things.
at last...after i finished high school, my mum decided to convert to Islam. not because of my dad told her to. but because she wanted herself.. here we are now..become a Muslim family n i can say that i'm more than just content now -
what price???Originally posted by NeonTetra:they can. but the price to pay is great
IMO many pple including me
seems to be prejudice against Islam or so i ahve heard in the news..........a muslim guy recieved an sms saying dont hide under islam or so...........etc etc..........
The problem seems to be that Many Muslim is helping Osama thats why pple prejudice eh..........
just my 2 cent worth..........
Im a racist btw...thats why im together with the prejudiced group....
even in my class all is chinese.......
I support France banning al the muslim headscarve and singapore should do the same.......malaya angry then war lor......we have good defence anyway....... -
thanks for the info, Neon.Originally posted by NeonTetra:For more information about the Marriage Preparation Course please contact:
Muhammad Rashidi Saidi at 6354-8131
or
email at [email protected]
or
visit the MUIS website
will be very useful for me if i'd live there someday.. -
kembali.Originally posted by Maya061:thanks for the info, Neon.
will be very useful for me if i'd live there someday..
kamu ingin tinggal di singapura sesudah kamu menikah? -
bodoh!!!!Originally posted by NeonTetra:kembali.
kamu ingin tinggal di singapura sesudah kamu menikah?
Bodoh binatang!!!!!
just a phrase my friend taught me to say at pple....