Chineseboy marries Muslimgirl -Scenario
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i will get disowned, im sure?
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Originally posted by book79:
I don't think this is possible. The gal will be treat as outcast and will be deny any claim when come to law matters and under Syariah law it is an offence. If this happen is muslim country, she could be stone to death. Think twice before u want to torment the girl
Thanks people. (for the advice)
[b]& what if the chinese boy decides to remain as he is:
- no NEW Muslim name.
- no conversion to Muslim.
- no circumcision (i think it's a personal private preference)
(Bottomline is that they love each other & they registered the marriage.)
..does it involve enthnicity/ moral issues & stuff?
Will the boy/ girl suffer in the longterm relationship?
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2day U post something that make senseOriginally posted by SibeiSuayKia:i will get disowned, im sure?
my parents is very strict pple..
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well, we should let both of them decide
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Originally posted by Maya061:
just have to tell u guys that the above is very untrue.
nowadays not only Muslim do circumcise.
n it's a lot better (better look, better sex, healthier, more clean, etc) too.
so..why not ? eventhough u wouldn't marry a Muslim gal, still reccomended to circumcise.
recent indepth studies show that circumcision DOES NOT EQUAL Cleaner/Healthier. It is in fact recommended NOT TO CIRCUMCISE. However, it has become a norm for many people, whether be it cultural or religious there seems to be ALOT of implications involved (not only muslims, most American boys are circumcised), so there wasnt enough 'push' for this to be publicised. If u would bother to do to a web search, u can definitely find relevant sites on the topic.
It definitely does not guarantee better sex. in fact it makes the male less sensitive, meaning worse sex. The foreskin is there for a reason - to protect the sensitive glands.
As for the claim of better look, i would say it depends on individual. But I'd have to vote for the natural look. I like things to be natural.
BTW, do u think nature will make it such that males are naturally 'unhealthy'? I am not circumcised but I dont have any disease or infection or any illness coz of my foreskin. Do you think most of the guys in the world actually suffer from any such illness? I would say it is a matter of personal hygiene!
Have u also thought about girls? Should they remove all the extra skin so as to be healthier, cleaner, better sex and look nicer? Girls, having more discharge, have even more to think about for hygiene, but is there any talk about removing the skin? We seldom hear about female circumcision! (Actually, there are. Some girls in Africa do indeed get circumcised by removing their skin, but it is to be noted that many activitists consider that practise to be very cruel and are trying their best to stop it.)
If u believe in a God, then u believe in his 'Intelligent Design', but how come u dont believe that his design is intelligient enuff to be natually 'healthy'. Contradicting huh?
Originally posted by book79:
It's nonsense to say that you MUST do this or that! You dont have to convert to be a muslim, you dont have to circumcise, and u dont have to get a new muslim name. Remember, u can do watever you want about your name and your life, dont let others tell u what to do.
& what if the chinese boy decides to remain as he is:
- no NEW Muslim name.
- no conversion to Muslim.
- no circumcision (i think it's a personal private preference)
(Bottomline is that they love each other & they registered the marriage.)
..does it involve enthnicity/ moral issues & stuff?
Will the boy/ girl suffer in the longterm relationship?
however, you have to know what consequences will be involved, and also consider the impact on your wife-to-be, and relatives on both sides. this is the more sensitive issue, and it all depends on the level of tolerance on both sides, and the willingness to accept. give and take ba. -
haha.... no wonder so many muslims in the world... it spreaded v quickly lo... anw... the kings who married muslim princesses also have to convert... haha... tts how so many muslim nations come about.. all the way fro,m arab.Originally posted by hiddengal:1. The boy must convert to Muslim? Can he retain his origin religion?
No. Muz convert... Name will oso change to a muslim name.
2. By law, after ROM, the chinese boy must stay with the muslim girl? (That is, the boy moves to the girl's side)
Doesn't matter if the muslim side dun mind.. They can even stay on their own...
3. What happens if the muslim girl stay with the chinese boy & his parents?
4. Any not-so-nice things that you can think of, about this type of marriage?
Wat is not-so nice???
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Originally posted by Poopie-Head:
I don't know where you got that info, but my friend recently had to circumcise (doctor's recommendation) because his foreskin was infected.
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recent indepth studies show that circumcision DOES NOT EQUAL Cleaner/Healthier. It is in fact recommended NOT TO CIRCUMCISE. However, it has become a norm for many people, whether be it cultural or religious there seems to be ALOT of implications involved (not only muslims, most American boys are circumcised), so there wasnt enough 'push' for this to be publicised. If u would bother to do to a web search, u can definitely find relevant sites on the topic.
It's a little the other way round. According to Islam, it's a "God told us to cut off the foreskin" kind of thing. In the bible, Isaac and Ishmael's convenant thing...they were also circumcised because God instructed it.
If u believe in a God, then u believe in his 'Intelligent Design', but how come u dont believe that his design is intelligient enuff to be natually 'healthy'. Contradicting huh?
I also see it as a test of obediance. We (Muslims) believe that God is perfect, which means he knows all. He tells us to do it, so we do it, even if it sounds crazy (like the story of Abraham and his son, Abraham was told to sacrifice his son. In the end, his son did not die and it was all a test of faith). And people...just in case you all are curious...God's orders does not include violence...I don't want this thread to go out of control.
Hey I hope I'm not getting you wrong, but if the non-muslim decides to convert, it musn't be because of the advantages he may get or people force him to. A Muslim convert has to convert willingly! No forcing involved!
It's nonsense to say that you MUST do this or that! You dont have to convert to be a muslim, you dont have to circumcise, and u dont have to get a new muslim name. Remember, u can do watever you want about your name and your life, dont let others tell u what to do.
Muslims aren't allowed to marry Non-muslims (unless they convert). Unfortunately, some muslims have been marrying non-muslims. -
well malay girls are easyOriginally posted by gUms:chinese girls below all nv wash one , all so smelly , proven over n over again !
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Jews circumcise the males not for the sake of hygiene and watever medical reasons. Like wat some of u mentioned...how can God Almighty make something tt is unhygiene and we need to manually remove it?
Circumcision is a ritual to remind the descendants of Abraham of the covenant God made with the people of Israel that they are His own people and His blessing is upon them. -
Think very hard... There is cultural difference and expectations are different
plus a whole lot of other pressures. Even couples with same race, color, religion and etc can also have issues, now much less one of a different race, color, religion, and etc. What you take for granted everyday in your own home will be the simple issues you face with another race. So would the families have problems as well ... its a very difficult union but does not mean its not possible. -
I don't know where you got that info, but my friend recently had to circumcise (doctor's recommendation) because his foreskin was infected.
Some people's toes are infected and need to be severed, so does it mean anything? What I'm saying is that this is obviously an isolated case. Most males on the planet are not circumcised, and most of us are not suffering from anything resulting from it. On the other hand, I can give examples of circumcised guys having it bad becoz their glans are not protected. The simple fact that the foreskin is there in the first place is to protect the glans, why remove it? Sure, some people need help becoz once in a while people have insolated cases that need treatment. Isolated cases include no-opening, cant pull back, yada yada. To think that it is more hygenic is a very erroneous misconception that people had since way back in history. If u wanna talk about hygene, consider it is said that every single girl, even in modern times, will have an infection at least once in their lifetime. Doesnt this call for more attention for them to be 'cleansed'/circumcised?
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If u believe in a God, then u believe in his 'Intelligent Design', but how come u dont believe that his design is intelligient enuff to be natually 'healthy'. Contradicting huh?
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It's a little the other way round. According to Islam, it's a "God told us to cut off the foreskin" kind of thing. In the bible, Isaac and Ishmael's convenant thing...they were also circumcised because God instructed it.
Yes, i know that it is God's instruction. Why didnt He mention about the girls' problems or how to maintain hygene in their cases? Like I said, if humans were a result of His intelligent design, we need not have to do with all these 'imperfect' natural causes of unhygenic conditions in the first place.
I also see it as a test of obediance. We (Muslims) believe that God is perfect, which means he knows all. He tells us to do it, so we do it, even if it sounds crazy (like the story of Abraham and his son, Abraham was told to sacrifice his son. In the end, his son did not die and it was all a test of faith). And people...just in case you all are curious...God's orders does not include violence...I don't want this thread to go out of control.
we wouldnt wanna talk about violence at all
ok back on topic, yes, i understand it is becoz of faith and obedience. But it is exactly also becoz of faith that u do not question His instructions - aka blindly follow without understanding (pardon me, i dont mean to sound disrespectful). IMO, I prefer to understand the answers to my questions, rather than to follow others without questioning. Just like when u do a maths question, do u just use a formula without understanding how to derive the formula in the first place? Of coz it is easier to just use the formula without understanding... If God made us with free-will, would He not want us to have wisdom and intelligence as well?
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It's nonsense to say that you MUST do this or that! You dont have to convert to be a muslim, you dont have to circumcise, and u dont have to get a new muslim name. Remember, u can do watever you want about your name and your life, dont let others tell u what to do.
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Hey I hope I'm not getting you wrong, but if the non-muslim decides to convert, it musn't be because of the advantages he may get or people force him to. A Muslim convert has to convert willingly! No forcing involved!
Muslims aren't allowed to marry Non-muslims (unless they convert). Unfortunately, some muslims have been marrying non-muslims.
Hmm ok, so what happens if a muslim and a non-muslim wanna get married to each other but the non-muslim dont wanna convert? So is it wiser for them to be together without being married?
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Ah, I can understand if that is the case.Originally posted by NeonTetra:Jews circumcise the males not for the sake of hygiene and watever medical reasons. Like wat some of u mentioned...how can God Almighty make something tt is unhygiene and we need to manually remove it?
Circumcision is a ritual to remind the descendants of Abraham of the covenant God made with the people of Israel that they are His own people and His blessing is upon them.
Thanks for the info. Do u have links regarding this topic?
The local tv series 'Ah Char!' is one funny interpretation of such issues.Originally posted by mistyblue:Think very hard... There is cultural difference and expectations are different
plus a whole lot of other pressures. Even couples with same race, color, religion and etc can also have issues, now much less one of a different race, color, religion, and etc. What you take for granted everyday in your own home will be the simple issues you face with another race. So would the families have problems as well ... its a very difficult union but does not mean its not possible. -
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In my case, this is the main reason. The health thing is also part of it .Originally posted by NeonTetra:Jews circumcise the males not for the sake of hygiene and watever medical reasons. Like wat some of u mentioned...how can God Almighty make something tt is unhygiene and we need to manually remove it?
Circumcision is a ritual to remind the descendants of Abraham of the covenant God made with the people of Israel that they are His own people and His blessing is upon them. -
Originally posted by Poopie-Head:
It's more hygienic without the foreskin. The doctor said it himself (check back to the infection...I didn't mention this though)! I can't go deep in this since I don't know how it can get dirty. IF it is healthier with the foreskin anyway, I'm sure the government would take steps to help this be known.
Some people's toes are infected and need to be severed, so does it mean anything? What I'm saying is that this is obviously an isolated case. Most males on the planet are not circumcised, and most of us are not suffering from anything resulting from it. On the other hand, I can give examples of circumcised guys having it bad becoz their glans are not protected. The simple fact that the foreskin is there in the first place is to protect the glans, why remove it? Sure, some people need help becoz once in a while people have insolated cases that need treatment. Isolated cases include no-opening, cant pull back, yada yada. To think that it is more hygenic is a very erroneous misconception that people had since way back in history. If u wanna talk about hygene, consider it is said that every single girl, even in modern times, will have an infection at least once in their lifetime. Doesnt this call for more attention for them to be 'cleansed'/circumcised?
Girls get infected? What do you mean? I don't know about this.
Like Neontetra said. The main reason was the convenant. I don't know what you mean when you talk about the girl's problems...
Yes, i know that it is God's instruction. Why didnt He mention about the girls' problems or how to maintain hygene in their cases? Like I said, if humans were a result of His intelligent design, we need not have to do with all these 'imperfect' natural causes of unhygenic conditions in the first place.
So the result of the Big Bang ended up so perfectly, until the Earth happened to be just right for human life, we evolved from "fish" to "apes"? Until now we haven't seen anything that evolved. How is it that the human body system is so mechanically good? Even Charles Darwin denied the evolution theory before he died.
As long as (people who've seen the miracles in religion+ prophecies being fulfilled) exist, they would deny that evolution is the origin of mankind.
Convenant
ok back on topic, yes, i understand it is becoz of faith and obedience. But it is exactly also becoz of faith that u do not question His instructions - aka blindly follow without understanding (pardon me, i dont mean to sound disrespectful). IMO, I prefer to understand the answers to my questions, rather than to follow others without questioning. Just like when u do a maths question, do u just use a formula without understanding how to derive the formula in the first place? Of coz it is easier to just use the formula without understanding... If God made us with free-will, would He not want us to have wisdom and intelligence as well? [/color] That's the main reason. The hygiene thing is an additional advantage.
Yeah, if they did marry, the girl would be breaking Islamic Law, and there would be lots of conflicts. The family thing just won't work out.
Hmm ok, so what happens if a muslim and a non-muslim wanna get married to each other but the non-muslim dont wanna convert? So is it wiser for them to be together without being married? Prolly not. So wat better solution? -
Eh don't let this topic slip to "The reason for circumcision" !
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Originally posted by Poopie-Head:
Alamak...then I wasted my time explaining
Ah, I can understand if that is the case.
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hahah. I can understand if it is some sort of a ritual. But contrary to 'common understanding', it is definitely NOT better hygene.Originally posted by 6White_Pawn9:Alamak...then I wasted my time explaining
It's more hygienic without the foreskin. The doctor said it himself (check back to the infection...I didn't mention this though)! I can't go deep in this since I don't know how it can get dirty. IF it is healthier with the foreskin anyway, I'm sure the government would take steps to help this be known.
Girls get infected? What do you mean? I don't know about this.
Like what I said, everyone thinks and dont bother to find out, or do more research.
As for the girls, I tot i said very clearly. It is said that (statistically proven) girls will at least get an infection of some kind (on their privates) once in their lifetime.
It is also a fact that most uncircumcised males do not have hygene or infection problems as opposed to popular believes.
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Yes, i know that it is God's instruction. Why didnt He mention about the girls' problems or how to maintain hygene in their cases? Like I said, if humans were a result of His intelligent design, we need not have to do with all these 'imperfect' natural causes of unhygenic conditions in the first place.
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Like Neontetra said. The main reason was the convenant. I don't know what you mean when you talk about the girl's problems...
So the result of the Big Bang ended up so perfectly, until the Earth happened to be just right for human life, we evolved from "fish" to "apes"? Until now we haven't seen anything that evolved. How is it that the human body system is so mechanically good? Even Charles Darwin denied the evolution theory before he died.
As long as (people who've seen the miracles in religion+ prophecies being fulfilled) exist, they would deny that evolution is the origin of mankind.
if it is for ritual, then it is fine and reasonable, in the view of the religion, that is. Personally, I still dont think it is reasonable to circumcise a boy without his consent (is he old enuff to understand?), and it is painful and some people consider it a cruel act. FYI, there are activitists who are against circumcision.
If the reason used was for hygene, then we are off the track.
The problem of Big Bang, Evolution should not be seen in such a simplistic view. Big problems can be solved when we break them down into parts. There was a great discussion about Evolution vs Creation when I first joined this forum. I must say I have learnt alot about this after the discussion. More on this if u want, but on another thread perhaps.
The story about Charles Darwin is one of the most CRAP and underhand strategies used by Creationists and religious people to MISLEAD people, solely becoz his Theory of Evolution was running against what was in their religious scriptures - that Mankind evolved from animals. Please take note that the rumour about Darwin denying his own theory is COMPLETELY UNTRUE = This is what happens when people blindly follow or listen to others without checking it out themselves.
Evolution is a FACT and it is happening as we speak, whether u like it or not, whether there is God or not. Denying it is as good as 'refusing to acknowledge your very existence'.
Those interested in the scientific answers and rebuts of rumours and doubts can visit http://talkorigins.org/ (i'm sure most questions are answered there).
Yeah, if they did marry, the girl would be breaking Islamic Law, and there would be lots of conflicts. The family thing just won't work out.
So there is no solution to this problem huh? Sad. -
tats why muslim are stupid and u ahve to convert.....like a one way trip to hell..
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now i know why they say u deserve to be beaten to a pulp.Originally posted by ceecookie:tats why muslim are stupid and u ahve to convert.....like a one way trip to hell..
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wow, ceecookie i think ur going to be condemn if u were in iranOriginally posted by ceecookie:tats why muslim are stupid and u ahve to convert.....like a one way trip to hell..
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ceecookie the next salman rushdie?!?!
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Come to thinkof it.. going into marriage requires certain sacrifices.. marrying a muslim girl will have its own distinct sacrifices..
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Agreed, but then that's talking about 'sacrifices' or 'giving and taking'.Originally posted by Gackt247:Come to thinkof it.. going into marriage requires certain sacrifices.. marrying a muslim girl will have its own distinct sacrifices..
However, as mentioned, you are not supposed to feel 'forced' into the religion, you are suppose to accept it from the bottom of ur heart. If the boy dont really feel he can accept the religion but still the two of them wanna marry, then how?
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little boy go and study dont talk nonsense here, U havent see the world enough. I believe there is some other religion also forbid their follower to marry with other religion. I think some of u might have known that for sure.Originally posted by ceecookie:tats why muslim are stupid and u ahve to convert.....like a one way trip to hell..
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