Pei du mama
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the recent case of the massage lady shed light once again on china lady who come to singapore to accompany their child to study... apparently they are doing more than mere company... many got jobs.. and it seems many are associated with the sex service industry... some cry foul saying we discrminate them...
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whose fault?
gahmen want them kid to come study and the mother to accompany them but cannot work. If they got so much money that they need not work, then they would have gone to states to study liao.
Of course, i do not agree to them doing shady biz but what else can they do? Anyway i think gahmen is at fault if they don't allow them to work.
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true... but the choice lies with them... if they forsee a financial difficulties... dont come... if they do really need to make money... there are other means... i see some work as food stall helpers... some do cleaning in some private clinic... those are decent jobs... i wonder if they are really here to accompany their child or mere excuse to sponge off the men here
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Decent industry/trade dont have to hire PRC women illegally, they can hire chinese(or other countries) thru agencies.
So if these "pei du mama"s want to work, they cant look for decent job(cos these decent jobs dont want them), so they have to go for something indecent trade. -
those stall owner usually do not employ thru agency... they usually employ jus like tat... ok tat aside... stil this is not an excuse to deal in sex industry...
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Majority of these PDMM are into sex related trade like massage palour or those tui na center ( all are fake ). They come here wif their children ( really theirs??? ) and enrol them into local schools. High sch fees and our high cost of living bitting deep into their pockets. With no other choice, most end up working in tui na centers in order to survive. And whats going on inside those tui na centers, no one know
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So, you pity them or hate these PDMM leh?
My own views on these china ladies, NEVER trust them. They know its very expensive to live in sg and yet die die borrow from loan shark in order to come to sg. Main reasons not to come here study or learn English ( in this case I refer to students ) but to earn fast cash. You really think Singapore standards of English so high meh???
There are many institutes or centers offering English lessons in China. No need come Singapore learn. -
not a case of hate nor pity... just skeptical of their intention here... but lets not shift all the blame to them... no demand no supply... so guys in singapore do need to do some souls searching... not point fingers and go hey you are wrong when something happens
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Every woman wants a better life than what they can get at home , so they are able to do lots of things including cheating to get what they want.Originally posted by tys:not a case of hate nor pity... just skeptical of their intention here... but lets not shift all the blame to them... no demand no supply... so guys in singapore do need to do some souls searching... not point fingers and go hey you are wrong when something happens
If they(Immigration) do not allow pei du ma mas at all then the problem will be solved !
Massage parlours will then have to pay more to get cheap labour from other countries.
Who needs a Pei du mama when Locals can be paid to house them and take care of their children, its another business left to locals who are hospitable than to the business of massage parlours who abuse the massage into indecent services. -
Not all are saints, but all are married.
If they can degrade to be of cheap trade, it show so much of their character.
Prevention is better than cure.
Singapore have to wait for some one to be killed to show that they have done their job efficiently.
Just some ministers to come out and talk rot.
Same as the mosquito issue, wait till people die, hospital full house then come out and wayang.
This is the Singapore system.
Society problem not solved as they will turn underground.
Maybe using the rented flat for extra services.
Prepare for worse when the casino starts.
The world cup fever have already burnt lots of wallets. -
Where there is demand, there will surely be supply.
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but it do speak volumes about their characters... interesting is some cry foul as singaporeans label them as whore... some claim innocence... some say they are disgusted by how singaporean view them
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Student hostels build for show one eh?
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PDMM is becoming a social phenomena or problem in Singapore. That's why the polices took actions these days. There are many reasons that why it is what it is right now. I believe most of PDMM are in Singapore for good intension. There must be something that we can do from both PDMM and the Government side to make the situation better.
Everyone - no matter ladies or guys, from China or from Singapore - wants to have a better life or create a better life for people their love. The ways they do it can be good or bad. Many Singaporeans study/work overseas, and there are many PRC students are studying/working in Singapore as well. We also observed illegal immigrants/workers became a serious problems in many developed countries, e.g., US, Germany, France, Singapore. In the night, Girls from Thailand, China, Malaysia are all over Geylang, Orchard tower area. Among them, some are PDMMs. I believe, however, most of PDMM are coming to Singapore for good. There are many things in Singapore attracts them here. 1 of the most significant drivers is the better education system in Singapore, not only for language, but also for the opportunity going overseas and working in Singapore for future. They gave up their established life in China and came to Singapore with their kids.
As many early immigrants, many of they also believe they can find something to do in Singapore even they were told it is illegal. The only thing, however, they could do in Singapore is the 'lowest level' job that Singaporean would not want to do, e.g., cleaning, massaging.
There are many of them are providing 'special services' for extra money. We definitely see a strong demand for this market. The government is doing the right thing now. The only worry that I have is whether those PDMM will start to do the same thing underground. Here are couple of recommendations that I would like to give both the government and PDMM:
1: Tighten the visa processes for PDMM, and set the right expectations for them
2: Allow PDMM to do certain kind of jobs for certain amount of time, especially those jobs that Singaporean do not enjoy doing
3: PDMM should get organized and help each other to live in a healthy life
I believe most of the people would not enjoy being harm to others as long as they have a proper living. We all can make the society better by working together.
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would they want to do such jobs? true there are some with goond intentions... but why dont these good fellow country mates of theirs help those that went into dirty business... dont jus whine and say we discrminate youOriginally posted by waterw_00:There are many of them are providing 'special services' for extra money. We definitely see a strong demand for this market. The government is doing the right thing now. The only worry that I have is whether those PDMM will start to do the same thing underground. Here are couple of recommendations that I would like to give both the government and PDMM:
1: Tighten the visa processes for PDMM, and set the right expectations for them
2: Allow PDMM to do certain kind of jobs for certain amount of time, especially those jobs that Singaporean do not enjoy doing
3: PDMM should get organized and help each other to live in a healthy life -
When there are no customers there will be no suppliers.
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It is cleary not my intention to start a fight among 2 groups here. 2 points to make:Originally posted by tys:would they want to do such jobs? true there are some with goond intentions... but why dont these good fellow country mates of theirs help those that went into dirty business... dont jus whine and say we discrminate you
1: I do not think majority of Singaporean, especially well-educated singaporean, dicriminate people from other countries.
2: We all live in Singapore, it is everybody's responsibility to build a better socity. Of course, people from China do help each other. That's why I suggested people should get organized to help each other -
Well, if they are here to do legitimate business, I've no bones to pick.Originally posted by waterw_00:It is cleary not my intention to start a fight among 2 groups here. 2 points to make:
1: I do not think majority of Singaporean, especially well-educated singaporean, dicriminate people from other countries.
2: We all live in Singapore, it is everybody's responsibility to build a better socity. Of course, people from China do help each other. That's why I suggested people should get organized to help each other
Secondly, they have to do much more to gain the respect of our society. Every immigrant has to go in with a humble attitude and hardworking values to succeed. The problem is that the ones making a honest living have been smothered by those who are here to do illicit business, and they do not speak out or attempt to correct that impression.
Furthermore, they have not been seen to be able to accept tempered criticism of their countrymen who are not doing a honest living, and get all worked up.This is not the PRC, this is Singapore.
We welcome immigrants and foreigners, but they must show effort to integrate into our way of life first and foremost, before attempting to inject what they want into our melting pot.
It also doesn't help that the State chooses to delineate racial relations and not propagate a single Singaporean melting pot identity which we all can subscribe to. -
Originally posted by LazerLordz:Well, if they are here to do legitimate business, I've no bones to pick.
Secondly, they have to do much more to gain the respect of our society. Every immigrant has to go in with a humble attitude and hardworking values to succeed. The problem is that the ones making a honest living have been smothered by those who are here to do illicit business, and they do not speak out or attempt to correct that impression.
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Agree. A handful bad example can destroy the image of the entire group. I hope most of us can see what are the majority of immigrants are doing, not only those appearing on newspaper.
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Furthermore, they have not been seen to be able to accept tempered criticism of their countrymen who are not doing a honest living, and get all worked up.This is not the PRC, this is Singapore.
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Can you elabrate a little more on this? What's the diff between PRC and Singapore?
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We welcome immigrants and foreigners, but they must show effort to integrate into our way of life first and foremost, before attempting to inject what they want into our melting pot.
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Well. Understandable, but not completely agree. It is always important for immigrants to work hard for integrating into local culture. At the same time, it is also important for the local culture to take good things out of immigrants. America is a good example of learning from various culture.
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It also doesn't help that the State chooses to delineate racial relations and not propagate a single Singaporean melting pot identity which we all can subscribe to.
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Fair point. I beleive the goverment is working on this to create a singaporean identity. It is, however, a long term vision.
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i think it is true... we welcome anyone... for it be from china taiwan america and etc.... as long as you do not put yourself in the limelight of our society and disrupt our peace and order
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They are providing an essential service from the looks of it.
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shadower u need their service?Originally posted by shandower:They are providing an essential service from the looks of it. -
before questioning the women, u shld ask and see around, in yr family members, are yourself, your fathers, your uncles, your relatives, are they visiting those massage parlours. i am sure there are such pple. shame on them! shame on those who talk so much but behind have all these disgraceful relatives.
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You cannot control what your relatives do what.Originally posted by curio t:before questioning the women, u shld ask and see around, in yr family members, are yourself, your fathers, your uncles, your relatives, are they visiting those massage parlours. i am sure there are such pple. shame on them! shame on those who talk so much but behind have all these disgraceful relatives.
EVen if they did, you probably wouldn't know.
HOw can you judge someone based on their family members?!!!!!!?!?!?!? -
think about it. though the economist Keynes proved his point that when there's no demand, there will not be supply, can ANYONE tell us why u just feel like eating pop-corns when u catch a movie? cuz the popcorn bar is simply situated in the cinema! REASON: BECAUSE IT IS THERE