Review of our moderator - FireIce (OWNER MUST READ!!!)
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The thread will continue if people continue to retaliate to each other's flames and people continue to be defensive towards comments aimed at them. So for thread to stop, posters need to stop being defensive and being so quick to shoot others.Originally posted by L@gSoN:The bot speaks!
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No need to die die call it perverts forum right? Female magazines like Her World also have an editorial called 'The Sex Page'. Think can choose something else as a forum name right?Originally posted by DXuan:Because perverts have a problem with acknowledging they are perverts
They usually do it at a place where it does not show they are perverts, in which this case to be the forum 'Bar'. Simple ain't it? -
Just wondering, is that guy in the Speakers' Corner actually panja_v under a new nick?
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If you label it sex page on Her World it's fine. People don't know who you are.. People here want to be able to go out and mix around with each other still. If you put yourself into a sex forum, People might think otherwise of you. Not so nice now is it? Of cos it depends very much on thinking and right now I think Singapore is too much of a protected country when it comes to sex and its topics don't you agree?Originally posted by SumOne:No need to die die call it perverts forum right? Female magazines like Her World also have an editorial called 'The Sex Page'. Think can choose something else as a forum name right?
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11 pages filled mostly with flames.
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Hi, I am a new member in sgforums though I have been reading sgforums for quite a period of time.
I must say that I do enjoy some of the topics posted here, though some are so lame, it gets painful to read.
FireIce more often than not has witty replies that enliven the forums even if she does not contribute positively to the thread. kudos to you gal.
As for someone and ben, please do not get offended by things that are out of your control. There are other forums that suit you better perhaps? I used to be a regular contributor at channelnewsasia.com forums but have stopped for sometime. There, the moderators are very strict and some of the topics are very serious and intense. Of course there are differing opinions but flaming and personal attacks are not allowed. Perhaps you guys can go there, where the mod is not too vocal?
As for bar forum, correct me if i'm wrong, but it said adult forum, not sex forum. There is nothing wrong with discussing sex as we are all supposed to be matured adults, but there is so much more to being an adult than sex. Maybe we can start a thread to explore this possiblity for those that have shown in this thread that they need guidance and supervision?
FI, it is normal for those who are in the open or in authority to be attacked by those who are not, like terrorists attacking governments. I'm sure you should be used to it by now.
Finally, it there is no value in hiding behind a nick, using the computer to conduct flaming attacks on others, going as far as to start a thread. I would respect you more if you could either conduct a dialogue rather than just trying to rebutt everything others say. If you want to do personal attacks, then make it in person.
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So i guess it's goodbye to ben and crew for being shrewed?Originally posted by SilverPal:As for someone and ben, please do not get offended by things that are out of your control. There are other forums that suit you better perhaps? I used to be a regular contributor at channelnewsasia.com forums but have stopped for sometime. There, the moderators are very strict and some of the topics are very serious and intense. Of course there are differing opinions but flaming and personal attacks are not allowed. Perhaps you guys can go there, where the mod is not too vocal?
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Actually, I was using the 'Sex Page' in Her World as an example, my main point was that the alternative forum didn't have to be called pervert forum. As for your last sentence I just want to be clear, do you mean that there is too much control when it comes to the discussion of sex related topics, or do you feel that singaporeans are not mature enough to handle such topics?Originally posted by DXuan:If you label it sex page on Her World it's fine. People don't know who you are.. People here want to be able to go out and mix around with each other still. If you put yourself into a sex forum, People might think otherwise of you. Not so nice now is it? Of cos it depends very much on thinking and right now I think Singapore is too much of a protected country when it comes to sex and its topics don't you agree? -
English lesson to milk sucker No. 1:Originally posted by arse-fan:So i guess it's goodbye to ben and crew for being shrewed?
There's no "ed" in shrew. Should bring a dictionary out next time. Study hard or u might break ur mummy's heart. Poor boy. -
Originally posted by SilverPal:Hi, I am a new member in sgforums though I have been reading sgforums for quite a period of time.
I must say that I do enjoy some of the topics posted here, though some are so lame, it gets painful to read.
FireIce more often than not has witty replies that enliven the forums even if she does not contribute positively to the thread. kudos to you gal.
As for someone and ben, please do not get offended by things that are out of your control. There are other forums that suit you better perhaps? I used to be a regular contributor at channelnewsasia.com forums but have stopped for sometime. There, the moderators are very strict and some of the topics are very serious and intense. Of course there are differing opinions but flaming and personal attacks are not allowed. Perhaps you guys can go there, where the mod is not too vocal?
[/quote]To say I'm offended is kind of extreme, I was just voicing out against what I felt was a discrepency in the manner of moderating here. There are other forums out there but it's just a matter of where i choose to post.
As for bar forum, correct me if i'm wrong, but it said adult forum, not sex forum. There is nothing wrong with discussing sex as we are all supposed to be matured adults, but there is so much more to being an adult than sex. Maybe we can start a thread to explore this possiblity for those that have shown in this thread that they need guidance and supervision?
FireIce has already given a very good reply regarding what BAR should or shouldn't be. BAR did not start out as a place for sex-related topics, it's just that after a while they made it official that sex-related topics should go to BAR.
My point was that if there are so many people being unhappy with sex-related topics being in BAR, why not just let it be officially in another forum instead of BAR?
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FI, it is normal for those who are in the open or in authority to be attacked by those who are not, like terrorists attacking governments. I'm sure you should be used to it by now.
Finally, it there is no value in hiding behind a nick, using the computer to conduct flaming attacks on others, going as far as to start a thread. I would respect you more if you could either conduct a dialogue rather than just trying to rebutt everything others say. If you want to do personal attacks, then make it in person.
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Mod to some youngsters is an example tat they might follow. If flaming starts by u & u alone, all others w follow esp those die-hard fans of urs, which i dun understand wat attracts them to u... ur baby fats? ur pimples? kekeke oops.... better dun disclose too much.... wait u ask me how i knw.....Originally posted by FireIce:nah.........
the point of some ppl is.....they wanna get positive, sarportive replies on their "heroic act".....
well, if u post something in a public forum, be prepared for opinions from all sides, whether to ur liking onot....
when their ego get hurt or their hero story backfired, they cry and hide behind shield and say got flames.....
Mod this title became their weapon of retaliation bcos they think tt Mod shd follow some rules.....but they forgot tt Mod is jus a regular forumite like eberyone else.....entitled to post, entitled to comment, entitled to crap......
the oni diff is the extra responsibility to read all crap and non-crap to ensure some order is maintained and act at sgforums' best interests......
i dun care if no one appreciates my job, im not here for recognition anyway....
Anyway, not much time to reply the rest but who cares, i dun actually reply to ur subordinates/gen ban/apprentices.....tat will spoil my reputation...
I only answer to Arse-hole only....cant really rem his nick...dun bother too....
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hmm... according to this thread... http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=87560 maybe FI is bengoh2003??
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too lo soh for me to read thru the whole thread...but i got something to say....
BLOODY REVOLUTION
You talk about your revolution, well, that's fine But what are you going to be doing come the time? Are you going to be the big man with the tommy-gun? Will you talk of freedom when the blood begins to run? Well, freedom has no value if violence is the price Don't want your revolution, I want anarchy and peace You talk of over throwing power with violence as your tool You speak of liberation and when the people rule Well ain't it people rule right now, what difference would there be? Just another set of bigots with their rifle-sights on me But what about those people who don't want your new restrictions? Those that disagree with you and have their own convictions? You say they've got it wrong because they don't agree with you So when the revolution comes you'll have to run them through Yet you say that revolution will bring freedom for us all Well freedom just ain't freedom when your back's against the wall You talk of over throwing power with violence as your tool You speak of liberation and when the people rule Well ain't it people rule right now, what difference would there be? Just another set of bigots with their rifle-sights on me Will you indoctrinate the masses to serve your new regime? And simply do away with those whose views are too extreme? Transportation details could be left to British rail Where Zyklon B succeeded, North Sea Gas will fail It's just the same old story of man destroying man We've got to look for other answers to the problems of this land You talk of over throwing power with violence as your tool You speak of liberation and when the people rule Well ain't it people rule right now, what difference would there be? Just another set of bigots with their rifle-sights on me Vive la revolution, people of the world unite Stand up men of courage, it's your job to fight It all seems very easy, this revolution game But when you start to really play things won't be quite the same Your intellectual theories on how it's going to be Don't seem to take into account the true reality Cos the truth of what you're saying, as you sit there sipping beer Is pain and death and suffering, but of course you wouldn't care You're far too much of a man for that, if Mao did it so can you What's the freedom of us all against the suffering of a few? That's the kind of self-deception that killed ten million Jews Just the same false logic that all power-mongers use So don't think you can fool me with your political tricks Government is government and all government is force Left or right, right or left, it takes the same old course Oppression and restriction, regulation, rule and law The seizure of that power is all your revolution's for You romanticise your heroes, quote from Marx and Mao Well their ideas of freedom are just oppression now Nothing's changed for all the death that their ideas created It's just the same fascistic games, but the rules aren't clearly stated Nothing's really different cos all government's the same They can call it freedom, but slavery is the game There's nothing that you offer but a dream of last years hero The truth of revolution, brother.......... is year zero -
Please use paragraph very hard to read.
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Again making a simple comment but some "thinks-he-knows it all and can rule the whole world" but come and flame and insult...sigh...now i know why you are worth only 2 cents and have no friends...poor guyOriginally posted by bengoh2003:English lesson to milk sucker No. 1:
There's no "ed" in shrew. Should bring a dictionary out next time. Study hard or u might break ur mummy's heart. Poor boy. -
wah biang eh..... still going at it ah......
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Oh oh... stop whining boy... u shld feel appreciative tat somebody cares to point out ur mistakes...... This is called continual learning mah, rite?Originally posted by arse-fan:Again making a simple comment but some "thinks-he-knows it all and can rule the whole world" but come and flame and insult...sigh...now i know why you are worth only 2 cents and have no friends...poor guy
Huo dao lao xue dao lao mah. kekeke
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I dont mind learning but not from an arrogant and rude like yourselfOriginally posted by bengoh2003:Oh oh... stop whining boy... u shld feel appreciative tat somebody cares to point out ur mistakes...... This is called continual learning mah, rite? Huo dao lao xue dao lao mah. kekeke
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hMz...shld i say that this's one of best topic or rather voicing out of opinions discussion? Isn't it wat a forum shld be? I dunno...juz felt that i'm actually delightful that we can actually learn something from something/someone thru this kinda forum...wellz..with an open heart...=)
Well..., i "m actually more on sumone and bengoh's side..i do agreed with wat he has pointed out...coz i've seen quite a few topics whereby when FI post a comment,be it a negative or positive one..most of others will go by,supporting her...well..it's true that some of them have the same opinions as FI...but seems that it's most of the time...wondered if "Lao Niang"(FI)has realised abt that?
On the other hand, with FI ard and her replies and posts, it never fails to entertain me...in fact, some of her opinions are really knowledgeable...as a matter of fact, i do like FI,the way she expresses herself n opinions...direct and straight-forward...
Is it becoz she's a moderator n that's y she's so been well-liked n popular(as seen as most ppl would "follow" her"? Or is it juz the way she's? -
Interesting thread...have read all 11 pages of this thread (amazing, or is it????) and here are my thoughts:
1) Most of the postings in this thread are not related to the topic at all. In fact, I saw postings of pictures of girls from Sggirls, some posts saying FI had a birthday, etc...my point is: should a post that is unrelated to the thread be allowed to remain in the thread? I would think that the moderator has the responsibility to ensure that the subject of the thread does not stray into unrelated territory, and here lies one of the responsibilities of the moderator: to ensure that any posts that do not discuss about the subject should be removed. Agree?
2) A good number of FI's posts do spark off some unwanted and unrelated posts by other forumites, in the sense that the topic in duscussion turn into crap threads, talking about something totally different altogether, deviating from the subject originally intended, such that it almost becomes like a chit chat session between several regular forumites. I have seen this in so many threads. Should that happen? I would think not. I particularly like to read Aunt Agony, where even though the posts are cheeky and sometimes really outrageous, THEY ARE STILL RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC. There are of course some totally irrelevant posts, but it is not as numerous as in BAR. IMHO, what makes BAR so difficult and unpleasant to read is because whole pages can contain totally irrelevant and unmeaningful posts. Such posts should IMHO go into CHIT CHAT, and not BAR. I think CHIT CHAT or KPKB is the perfect place to crap and not BAR I feel, since BAR has a more sensitive, and probably more serious theme.
3) I really appreciate some of the forums though, especially Singapore Buses, Speakers corner, where the moderators really ensure that whatever is posted is related. There can be personal flames, but the subject matter is hardly deviated, as I believe most people who post want serious and constructive discussion. I see no flaming in Singapore Buses, maybe because of the nature of the topic, where everything that is posted is factual. As for Speakers Corner, everything is on the other hand is more on opinion, and thus the common flames. In BAR, there is a little of both, so the mod can actually exercise some flexibility in deciding what is suitable and what is not.
4) I have to ask this: Why is there such an obsession with forum ratings and number of posts generated? This I completely do not understand: hope someone will enlighten me.
5) Coming back to the review of FireIce, I feel without her, this BAR forum would not be as lively as it is. But well, is it lively for the right reason? (right reason being that sexual topics are discussed with maturity, since BAR is the established forum to talk about sex issues). The fact that there are some forumites who post only similes, +1, X1, etc....how do such posts contribute to the relevancy of the topic?
6) There will always be the talk that "if you dont like it, dont read, dont come into Sgforums". That I think is a self defeatist and self protectionist mentality. Why I say so? Because by saying that, it defeats the purpose of having a discussion - you are not welcoming alternative views. Then what is the use of having a forum? Stand up to scrutiny by counterarguing with relevant and rational points, if one does not agree with a certain argument. Make responsible posts, one that does not incite flaming.
7) It is so true, that the moderator dictates the tone and spirit of the forum. Well IMHO, some of the threads are simply not worth reading, because they are threads about certain forumites. For example, sgboy2004 wants war with Ah Ma. I feel something like this would be perfectly acceptable in CHIT CHAT or KPKB, but not BAR. (of course this topic is not in BAR) When I see a thread like "who here likes Fann Wong?" or "Today SIbei Suay ah" I ask myself, how is these related to BAR? I think such topics should go elsewhere. But to the moderators' credit, most of the topics here relate to sex issues, whether questions or experiences or otherwise.
about the point about fun made right at the beginning by ditzy: It would depend what kind of fun in a forum you are taking about. There is a specific purpose in this Bar forum - originally as a clubbing forum, then it migrated to sex issues. If the fun means flaming others for fun, then CHIT CHAT and KPKB will do nicely.
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erm......maybe you should change your nick to ass wipe instead.Originally posted by arse-fan:So i guess it's goodbye to ben and crew for being shrewed? -
loud monkey, kudos to u for reading all 11 pages, u obviously haven't been here long enuff. i only read that last page!
there's something called "forum culture" just like the management experts like to call "company culture"
in some forums, discussions usually stick on topic, in others they NEVER. this is one of them.
as for FI being mod and all that crap, aiyah put it this way lar, 90% of pple here won't post differently, more or less, on topic or off topic, whether or not there's a mod. i mean we have a few entertainers that post their fantasies of how a JC girl squeesed her breast against his hand. cmon, he's gonna post that kind of stories whether or not FI is a mod. i think if she's gonna have to remove all "crappy" threads, she's gonna have to del ALL of them.
and the best part of all. do u think this forum's set up was for everyone to join in lively discussions to do the community good? by "this forum" i dun mean just bar, i mean the whole site.
ehheh u (and alot of others here) have no idea why this forum was created. that it became huge, well that's another matter. i've made frens here, and that's good enuff for me.
and i REALLY dun care who's mod of bar, or whether that person is doing a good job. take it from a senior member who's been here a while.
most of the regulars here have grown used to, even enjoy the out of topic posts. it's also becos many of us actually know each other in real life. those that have gotten "sick" of this place, have left, but honestly, the population of this forum only gets bigger, not smaller. -
Good morning jOhO,
Like loud monkey I have been following all 11 pages and so far, I think he has given a pretty objective view on what happens in the forums. Whether what happens is right or wrong, loud monkey has only pointed out the truth of what goes on.
Just as how you've said loud monkey knows less about the forums since he hasn't been around as long, to be fair to him, perhaps you should read more of the 11 pages to get a better idea what has been posted in this thread so far.Originally posted by jOhO:loud monkey, kudos to u for reading all 11 pages, u obviously haven't been here long enuff. i only read that last page!
To point out, it's not just that this forum is one of them, in the sgforums, BAR is probably the best example of were discussions do not stick on topic. It happens more here than in any other forum.
there's something called "forum culture" just like the management experts like to call "company culture"[/quote]
Just because a system has been around for very long doesn't mean that it's perfect. A culture doesn't necessarily have to be correct, of course neither is a culture necessarily wrong. But just because it happens, doesn't mean its right.in some forums, discussions usually stick on topic, in others they NEVER. this is one of them.
No offence, but this is one part where I truly disagree with you. If according to what you say there the moderators have totally no power in their own forums. I don't think you really mean that do you?as for FI being mod and all that crap, aiyah put it this way lar, 90% of pple here won't post differently, more or less, on topic or off topic, whether or not there's a mod. i mean we have a few entertainers that post their fantasies of how a JC girl squeesed her breast against his hand. cmon, he's gonna post that kind of stories whether or not FI is a mod. i think if she's gonna have to remove all "crappy" threads, she's gonna have to del ALL of them.
True enough that some people, not all, will still post in the same manner no matter who the mod is. And some people will still post the topics, even if the mod is another person. But the mod's activity or inactivity towards what is posted will set the trend within the forum. Whether a topic is lame or serious, if the moderator comes into the thread, starts crapping and being sarcastic towards the thread starter, then others would feel it's ok and join in. It get worse if the mod doesn't control the crapping and the flaming. Afterall, since the mod is doing it why can't they do it too? But if the mod takes part seriously in the discussion, then others won't have the excuse will they?I think it's really depends on Jason and his moderators what the purpose of sgforums was for. Whether it has achieved its purpose or not is another thing.and the best part of all. do u think this forum's set up was for everyone to join in lively discussions to do the community good? by "this forum" i dun mean just bar, i mean the whole site.
ehheh u (and alot of others here) have no idea why this forum was created. that it became huge, well that's another matter. i've made frens here, and that's good enuff for me.
Good for you that you've managed to make friends here. It's always nice to be friendly towards each other rather than being sarcastic towards people at every oppurtunity, even if you have the wit. Of course in a perfect world everyone would be friends, but the world is imperfect enough so why not just try being nice?
Well you may not care but how you think may not be how others think. Senior or not, there are others who are more concerned than you are or have actually voiced out from what they observe. You however have chosen not to care and if that makes you happy, well good.
and i REALLY dun care who's mod of bar, or whether that person is doing a good job. take it from a senior member who's been here a while. [quote]most of the regulars here have grown used to, even enjoy the out of topic posts. it's also becos many of us actually know each other in real life. those that have gotten "sick" of this place, have left, but honestly, the population of this forum only gets bigger, not smaller.Again like I said earlier, a system that has been in place for a long does not gurantee that it is perfect. By saying that most of the regulars have "grown used to" it is acknowledgement in itself that the system is flawed. Right or wrong, perfect or imperfect, that is how the system is for now.
And according to your last line, it would seem as if most people are fine with the system at present. This is true only for those who remain.
If the original number of forumites was 100, then 300 came in, but 250 left because they didn't like it here, it would leave us with 50 new forumites making it 150 in total. So even if among the newbies, more people left than those who stayed, so long the old group stays, the number would increase. Then again, why would an old bird care what the newbies think? Again this should be up to Jason and his moderators whether they want to try and make this newbies stay or let them just go.
I'm not really sure whether among newly registered forumites whether more leave or more stay, but to assume that the system is perfect based on the increasing numbers isn't really correct.
Overall just to highlight once again, there is more discrepancy in the manner of moderating here than in the other forums in sgforums. Right or wrong, culture or not this is what is happening so far. So are you saying that this should never be changed? That the system is perfect and nothing should change?
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nothing's perfect.
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then you should change yours from free-eagle to dick-lessOriginally posted by free_eagle:erm......maybe you should change your nick to ass wipe instead.