my condolences to the rx7 driver
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aiya kb la! over liao right this thing? alex just wanna set up this thread for ppl who wanna give their condolences, wanna kb start another thread about kids or fr/ff dun kb here. see all this nonsense also du lan
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Im mentioned saying correct me if i'm wrong
1. Let me remind you what had initially transpired, and I would like you to show where I have been discourteous.
I had the courtesy statng so
and u?
look lyk idiots wuld rush in a lion's den witout surveyingwell the way the driver was driving,i'm pretty sure he was speeding,correct me if im wrong
If one speed,den he shld not b pitied,If fact hes already a nusciance on the road..
If i were to race on the road,I'll have the preparation that if i die racing,I expect no condolence
bcuz what i do i do is purely risky...no need for condolencePray tell, what would you do if your loved one was in his or her final hours, and time was of the essence? Take a bus?
If you don't even have an inkling of an idea what the circumstances were at that time, please refrain from parading your ingeniousness around here.
[This message was edited by Kr0n on 2006-05-14 14:34:42.]
2. More importantly, since you now claim that all along your remarks have been directed at the consequences of speeding in general, then doesn't my very first reply already hit your so-called stand on the head? (If there even is one behind that statement)Now tell me
3. Following that, you say that I, as well as the driver, are using "selfishness to justify ur(our) acts". Also, trying to tell me to grow up? Oh, come on, who's
If my loves one need $ for an operation and i got no $...
U mean i can rob a bank and claim that the $ is to pay for my love one operations?
Wuld this justify my cause?
Even if hes love one were in their final hrs,so what?
I believe if he really cared for them,even if he culdnt make it on time,they wuld have know that he was a caring person
from what he has done to them in his daily life..
Theres no reason to use selfishness to justify ur act
and suppsoe the person had knock down into a pedestrain of other motorist,whos gonan make up for the victim cause?
THINK AGAIN!
U still got alot to grow in terms of ur mind!
being discourteous now? Bear in mind, I'm not picking on that. I'm just highlighting your ostentatious display of obnoxious obstinance.Aiya KNN LA FLAMERS
4a. I refer you to your very post once again. If you have problems, do try to click "View", "Text Size", select "Largest". Or visit your nearest neurologist. The optician can't help.
LEt me make myself clear OK
IF U UNDERSTAND ENGLISH
The whole post wasnt meant to b direct at the drivver
but more of speeding
My point:if a person sped,he shldnt b pitied
reason why?hes endangering other
U can feel pity for all i care but this is my opinion
Second:no matetr what reason he got,one is not entilted to speed!
And for fake sake,if juz bcuz i used the word"driver" instead of "he" (No.4a)
and it makes u guys tink i'm pinpoitn at driver,den pity u who allow words cloud ur judgement
simple and cleaar
nothing associated with driver (No.4b)
SATISFIED?
U flamers use ur heart to judge the pitiful state of a person who died while speeding[person as in not that rx driver,but of an anyone who sped]
and then using his plight to justify his cause
I on the other hand use my mind and seperate logic and sympathy for the drivers
Thats y the reason calling u lowlife
4b. Once again, refer to your very first post. Don't think we are effing morons to believe your ridiculous claim that you were not referring to him. If you were not, then WTF are you doing spurting verbal diarrhoea in this thread?
Lastly, I challenge you to answer my questions on page 2, posted on May 15th at 1.30am. I am not here to fight for nothing. But I won't stand down after seeing a little sh1tbag leak a deluge of dungspeak about how the deceased deserved it. I maintain that you owe the victim's family an apology, as well as anyone who sympathizes with their family and friends.
PS: You can't send your condolences to someone deceased, assho1e (I'm not calling you that. I'm just addressing the source I'm assuming all this sh1t is spurting out from). -
Ok. both side have said their piece. This thread is supposed to be for condolences, please stick to that.
I will remind Olala again, please show respect to the dead, NO MATTER what caused the accident. -
okok ... hmmm ... i tink this olala 17 this year rite?? he's young and ignorance nvm.... but i was wondering does he know the speed limit of the road?? does he noe wad the guy is running on ??? does he noe how a spun out or skidd look like?? does he noe the condition of the area?? have he ever drive a FR in rainy day?? get involve with an accident before??? get the impact of accident?? btw ... if u are driving at 80km/r with headon collision with a tree is a sure die thingy and this is proven by experts ... 60 km/r has a high chance of dying too ?? so wad u tink??
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olala:
Go read ur first post.
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I agree with an earlier post: "wat a waste"... and i mean the car.
Nothing immature here or anything like dat. Possibly i am older and have driven longer den most people here. It is not without pity that a life has been lost, but one has to be responsible for your own doing. You cannot simply blame a car or the weather for such a mishap. I drive safely to my own limits and i hardly ever even scratch my rims. Not becos i am a perfect driver but i take extra care to ensure my car does not get damaged nor my own life. The RX7 is not a motorbike or even an old van which is one of the worst handling vehicles on the road. So i find it hard to believe the element of young punk rashness can be absent on an incident like this. Of course, this is exactly the reason why insurance is always higher for younger drivers and especially for a car like such.
Now for the car..... a RX7 which many have dreamed of owning but cant due to the size of our town and its measures to curb traffic woes. I fell in love with this car since 1993 and although i may be able to afford a COE example of one, i cannot due to maintenance costs. And here it is, wrecked by a person in a moment's folly, and along took his own life with it. What can i say.... but "wat a waste". Period. -
nvm u guys still dun get it
U guys keep digging everything up and up
wun b wastign my time
cuz i already said from the recent post
its not directed at driver but about speeding
nt gonna waste time liao..
type til sian liao,if i cant get it thro ur skulls,wun b bothered
my time is for me,myself..considered my generousity in explaning so many times
lets juz all keep our view to ourselve
let me juz see how many r still itchign to flame over this post
yawnz -
granted whatever u said might be valid, but one thing above all, should be considered when u're making statements like this: Please respect the dead.Originally posted by tOs:I agree with an earlier post: "wat a waste"... and i mean the car.
Nothing immature here or anything like dat. Possibly i am older and have driven longer den most people here. It is not without pity that a life has been lost, but one has to be responsible for your own doing. You cannot simply blame a car or the weather for such a mishap. I drive safely to my own limits and i hardly ever even scratch my rims. Not becos i am a perfect driver but i take extra care to ensure my car does not get damaged nor my own life. The RX7 is not a motorbike or even an old van which is one of the worst handling vehicles on the road. So i find it hard to believe the element of young punk rashness can be absent on an incident like this. Of course, this is exactly the reason why insurance is always higher for younger drivers and especially for a car like such.
Now for the car..... a RX7 which many have dreamed of owning but cant due to the size of our town and its measures to curb traffic woes. I fell in love with this car since 1993 and although i may be able to afford a COE example of one, i cannot due to maintenance costs. And here it is, wrecked by a person in a moment's folly, and along took his own life with it. What can i say.... but "wat a waste". Period.
This is a condolence thread for the driver. U wish to comment about how the car is a waste, pls do so in another thread. What if there are some members of the driver's family or friends reading this thread? How do u think they'll feel?
I do suggest that you modify your post to reflect a more sensitive manner towards a deceased person and his next of kin.
And once again I'll remind everyone this thread is being monitored. Thanks. -
now u say this, but earlier u cannot deny u were definately aiming at the driver. People do not "dig" up earlier posts for no reason. The evidence is clear, u cannot escape what u've said.Originally posted by olala:nvm u guys still dun get it
U guys keep digging everything up and up
wun b wastign my time
cuz i already said from the recent post
its not directed at driver but about speeding
nt gonna waste time liao..
type til sian liao,if i cant get it thro ur skulls,wun b bothered
my time is for me,myself..considered my generousity in explaning so many times
lets juz all keep our view to ourselve
let me juz see how many r still itchign to flame over this post
yawnz
And yes u very much WAS directing it at the driver. Things u said such as about his getting a call from a customer and having to rush back to the wkshop does not justify his speeding, is defintely directed at the driver, because u've involved him as the exact subject matter of the statement.
Yes I do notice that your later posts in this thread has shifted focus more to speeding itself as the issue.
My advice is that U should admit that at the start, yes u did aim at the driver, but after a certain number of behest to respect the dead, u've changed tack to the issue of speeding itself, and apologise for having directed any sort of judgement at the driver to begin with.
I'm not taking either side, I'm just saying this from a neutral POV.
U ask others to understand. But do u also try to understand what others keep pointing out to u? U say u cannot get it into their skulls, but do u realise what they say is not getting into yr skull as well? -
monitored by who?Originally posted by HENG@:And once again I'll remind everyone this thread is being monitored. Thanks.
aren't all threads more or less monitored by the moderators? -
ok i rephrase. this thread is being monitored with EXTRA concern.Originally posted by Icemoon:monitored by who?
aren't all threads more or less monitored by the moderators?
monitored by who, quite obvious wad... who here got the power to close threads? -
Many don't really read the thread title and the 1st post hor........
Amazing that when in "flaming", some can look word for word....but in a condolences tribute thread to the rx7 driver, not many read word by word....
1st thought of rx7....fast, speeding,drifting...seems like not many really care about the driver's family or death.....sigh...
ID ah.......ID......... -
in the initial yes,cuz after viewing some forumlites has post,i tho the driver was speedingOriginally posted by HENG@:now u say this, but earlier u cannot deny u were definately aiming at the driver. People do not "dig" up earlier posts for no reason. The evidence is clear, u cannot escape what u've said.
And yes u very much WAS directing it at the driver. Things u said such as about his getting a call from a customer and having to rush back to the wkshop does not justify his speeding, is defintely directed at the driver, because u've involved him as the exact subject matter of the statement.
Yes I do notice that your later posts in this thread has shifted focus more to speeding itself as the issue.
My advice is that U should admit that at the start, yes u did aim at the driver, but after a certain number of behest to respect the dead, u've changed tack to the issue of speeding itself, and apologise for having directed any sort of judgement at the driver to begin with.
I'm not taking either side, I'm just saying this from a neutral POV.
U ask others to understand. But do u also try to understand what others keep pointing out to u? U say u cannot get it into their skulls, but do u realise what they say is not getting into yr skull as well?
some mentioned he has to rush to meet cus
so i took his view
after which,to incus lesser misudnerstanding,i played safe and shifted to speeding
u mentioned i've alread apologise,well by some ppl dun read the above thread
bob bian
what the fuk can i do -
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well my advice was to apologise again, just to make it clear that u have, and discontinue the discussion. Most of us here know its not safe to speed, and for some of those who don't, well, they've already had their just deserts(for some, a few times over too!)Originally posted by olala:in the initial yes,cuz after viewing some forumlites has post,i tho the driver was speeding
some mentioned he has to rush to meet cus
so i took his view
after which,to incus lesser misudnerstanding,i played safe and shifted to speeding
u mentioned i've alread apologise,well by some ppl dun read the above thread
bob bian
what the fuk can i do -
eh supposed to be condolences thread leh.. how come so funny one?!
Condolences to the deceased family btw -
If cars were to run on bullsh1t, then we need not worry about oil prices. There'll be more than enough of it to go around. Too much in fact.
Heng, actually, there is no hint of any apology from him. I want to see a proper apology from him now, addressing all who are concerned.My advice is that U should admit that at the start, yes u did aim at the driver, but after a
certain number of behest to respect the dead, u've changed tack to the issue of speeding it
self,
and apologise for having directed any sort of judgement at the driver to begin with.in the initial yes,cuz after viewing some forumlites has post,i tho the driver was
1. To incur lesser blows to your stupid remarks, as well as your personality (if that can
speeding
some mentioned he has to rush to meet cus
so i took his view
after which,to incus lesser misudnerstanding,i played safe and shifted to speeding
u mentioned i've alread apologise,well by some ppl dun read the above thread
bob bian
what the fuk can i do
even be counted), you shifted your stance, NOT to incur lesser misunderstanding. Either you
are stupid to have posted it in a manner welcoming an offence, or you don't know what you're
talking about. I am not as stupid as to have misunderstood your comments.
2. The abovementioned thread in question, which supposedly contains your apology, does not
exist, if you cannot see.
3.and worst of all...its some final request from customer at workshop
Do I need to point out to you again what you have said before? Stop trying to LIE your way through this. The only place it's going to get you is into more trouble. This was your response waaaay after you had initially wrongfully accused him of speeding. Besides, there is still no proof, at the time of your posting, that he was speeding.
to kron
so u think its ok to speed?
Next time,tell the tp that ur speeding so as to meet cus
DARE?
Until so,DUN TALK COK!
4. What the fuk can you do? Apologise PROPERLY to anyone whom you have shown the slightest
inkling of disrespect to, in particular to his family members and friends.U flamers use ur heart to judge the pitiful state of a person who died while speeding[person as in not that rx driver,but of an anyone who sped]
5. Do show us where these "flamers" have done such a thing. I want to see. If not, you'd better retract your statement and apologise again.
and then using his plight to justify his causestop ur bullshyt,What i'm talking all along is about his actions
6. Once again, you want to bullsh1t your way through. First, you say that all along you were talking about his actions. Then, you claim here "The whole post wasnt meant to b direct at the drivver". WTF are you trying to say? You brain's not functioning well? Or is it even present? Are you suffering from multiple personality disorder?
I'merly pinpointing that his actions were wrong if he have sped
Have u seen me insulting or flaming him or his family?
what i've posted is not about the driver in whole but of the consequence
of speeding[suppose he did]Aiya KNN LA FLAMERS
LEt me make myself clear OK
IF U UNDERSTAND ENGLISH
The whole post wasnt meant to b direct at the drivverAnd for fake sake,if juz bcuz i used the word"driver" instead of "he"
7. You make a rollercoaster look like a wading pool. In this case, we'll have to wade through
and it makes u guys tink i'm pinpoitn at driver,den pity u who allow words cloud ur judgement
simple and cleaar
nothing associated with driver
SATISFIED?
your bullsh1t. Here you claim "nothing associated with driver". Who will believe you? Yes,
your bullsh1t will.ok...then thats really good
8. If this is about as close as you can get to providing an apology, I suggest you'd better
Yes,feel sad that life have been lost and family have to pick the pieces
But note that the previous post are about speeding and nt directly posted about the driver..
thanks alot
Deepest condolence to the family
try much harder.
If you are still man enough to uphold your claim of having made an apology, then post another one to make it clear for everyone what your stand is and where you have been wrong.
Here is an example:
I, Takumi Fujiwara Wannabe, do solemnly, and most sincerely, apologise to all involved parties, especially to the family members and friends of the deceased, for having made wrongful accusatory insults and remarks to the victim, as well as to those I have irresponsibly labelled as "flamers".
I hereby wish to retract all my unwarranted and mischievous statements regarding all involved parties, and do declare them as false and misleading.
THIS IS WHAT YOUR APOLOGY SHOULD LOOK LIKE. Now show us you have some decency to do it in your own words. -
Holy FAK
seem like u still dun get me
Read the post on the 1st page
I alread said that IF the driver was speeding,than i dun think any form of sympathy shld b given
And its not juz directed at that particular driver who crash
it applies to any driver
what i feel now is that ur angry that u think I'm directing all these to the driver
After which,I pin point to the actions of speeding itself
simple as that,ur making lotsa grey matter
Allow me to give u a clear mind
1.
If a particular person was speeding and crash
and I think he deserve it
Is it any wrong?
U might say he died and we shld feel smpathy
But on the whole,speeding is danger and if the person crash from speeding than its a part and parcel
In short,A GAMBLE
2.If that person wasnt speeding but crash due to technical faliure,then
I'll express my deepest condolence and give regards to the family
On the first page
U flame me by saying that I'm paading y insolence
care to explain?
To add,edgar_davis too elaborate about the danger of speeding and consequences[1st page]
Norx too read the article and claim that the driver was rushing to the workshop and driving faster than usual
hence the happening of the accident
That is why,initially,I claim that the guy was speeding base on what the others have read about the article
And since u said he wasnt speeding.
I then started with the dangerous act of speeding -
quote:Originally posted by olala:ok...then thats really good
Yes,feel sad that life have been lost and family have to pick the pieces
But note that the previous post are about speeding and nt directly posted about the driver..
thanks alot
Deepest condolence to the family
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Originally posted by babyys:
Guys, guys, guys,
can we please have a little respect for the deceased & his family? Its really sad that a Life has been lost, the last thing we need is to argue bout how the accident happened.
If u guys really wana know, He is an aquaintance of mine. At the scene of accident a taxi driver has witnessed that he was not speeding. tyres lost traction, he fought to counter unfortunately otherwise. Driver is a local scene PROFESSIONAL racer in carpark rallies & malaysian tracks and has been known to have a sense of mind and responsibility to be safe on the roads.
Kindly spare a thought for his wife & poor kid. Had u been in the family shoes loosing a breadwinner in the house is a BIG DEAL!!!
My deepest & heartfelt condolences to the family.
To add
after hearing what his aquaintance had said
I've already apologise since he mentioned the driver wasnt speeding
U juz need to use more of ur eyes and less of ur mouth -
The first post i've already made my stance so which part do u not understand?Originally posted by olala:well the way the driver was driving,i'm pretty sure he was speeding,correct me if im wrong
If one speed,den he shld not b pitied,If fact hes already a nusciance on the road..
If i were to race on the road,I'll have the preparation that if i die racing,I expect no condolence bcuz what i do i do is purely risky...no need for condolence
This entire post[qouted above]
was what i wuld have said if he was speeding
I really dun get which part u dun understand
the above qouted is stated very clear
if he sped i wun feel sorry
if he werent speeding,i'll have given my condolence
This is a very simple comment
what more do u wanna dig and brood? -
Ok... so what made you assume he was driving in a certain way, speeding and racing?
And seeing how you aren't even qualified to learn driving, why so quick to condemn people who speed? -
u dun need to get ur license to knwo that speedign is danggerous on public roadOriginally posted by Rexdriver:Ok... so what made you assume he was driving in a certain way, speeding and racing?
And seeing how you aren't even qualified to learn driving, why so quick to condemn people who speed?
from what norx said so i assume that driver was speeding
i too qouted my post wif 'If' -
u stil dun get it do u? even at 70km/h is gonna get u killed if u crashed into the tree.. i guess the rx7 aint even stock, the amount of torque on the real wheel on a rainin day aint gonna be nice at all.. if u ask mi, amk has many potholes and puddles of water.. will u wil be able to guess intelligently wat would happen.. and for ur info, i live in yishun. i cycle to amk to a bikeshop located at blk 451 for like at least 3times a week.. encountered rain and saw the road condition myself first hand..Originally posted by olala:u dun need to get ur license to knwo that speedign is danggerous on public road
from what norx said so i assume that driver was speeding
i too qouted my post wif 'If'
if u wana emphasize on the 'IF' word, i can safely conclude that u ran out of excuses to fight back..
and once again, my condolence to the driver's family.. has there been any new abt the accident? maybe we can do something to help them.. i noe how it feels to lose someone dear to u..
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Originally posted by olala:
since u alrdy noe u are wrong, pls state it clear instead of shiftin to speedin onli..
in the initial yes,cuz after viewing some forumlites has post,i tho the driver was speeding
some mentioned he has to rush to meet cus
so i took his view
[b]after which,to incus lesser misudnerstanding,i played safe and shifted to speeding
u mentioned i've alread apologise,well by some ppl dun read the above thread
bob bian
what the fuk can i do[/b]
wat u can ... do? simple, apologise again, clear tis thing up. -
Read the post on the 1st page
1. This obviously does not coincide with your poorly misinformed judgement that he was speeding. If you haven't learnt the differences yet, let me show you. Saying that "IF the driver was speeding" and "well the way the driver was driving,i'm pretty sure he was speeding" are two unmistakably different statements. First, you said you are pretty sure, given the way he was driving. God knows how you saw it, or learnt about it. Then, you contradict it to claim that you said "IF the driver was speeding". I would have an easier time conversing with apes in Sanskrit. Edgar Davids made it clear by adding "if he was speeding". You said you were pretty sure.
I alread said that IF the driver was speeding,than i dun think any form of sympathy shld b given
And its not juz directed at that particular driver who crash
it applies to any driverwell the way the driver was driving,i'm pretty sure he was speeding,correct me if im wrong
Norx too read the article and claim that the driver was rushing to the workshop and driving faster than usual
hence the happening of the accident
That is why,initially,I claim that the guy was speeding base on what the others
have read about the article
2. nOx did not claim anything. Don't put things in other people's mouths again. He said "the article in the link above says tt the guy was rushing back to his workshop cos his customer got some last min request..", which is quite distinctly different from him claiming anything at all. "prob tt constitutes to him driving faster than usual" is a suggestion of possibility that he MIGHT have sped, vastly contrasting to your claim that you are pretty sure he was speeding, based on whatever witness accounts you might claim to have.
3. Based on what others have read about the article, the only comment which surfaced cited the report that it was raining and he crashed. I want you to justify how you managed to conclude that he was speeding, based on that one and only reference to the contents of the article.its not that the rx-7 speed... its just that the wheel nut came of,
4. SBS9828X said that of the accident. Whether or not is true, I have no idea. I am not trying to say that he is spouting rubbish either. What I am saying is, since you have claimed to base your comments on the speculations from other forummers, how and why did you fail to pick up this crucial piece of information, given your admittedly great propensity to poorly expound on such speculatory comments?
tyre den came of, rear axle came of, differential came of and the car
vanished. case closed. And also my condolencesif he sped i wun feel sorry
if he werent speeding,i'll have given my condolencewell the way the driver was driving,i'm pretty sure he was speeding,correct me if
5. Most importantly, LOOK HERE. You want me to deconstruct your statement? I'll do just that.
im wrong
If one speed,den he shld not b pitied,If fact hes already a nusciance on the road..
If i were to race on the road,I'll have the preparation that if i die racing,I expect
no condolence bcuz what i do i do is purely risky...no need for condolence
Firstly, by mentioning that judging from the way the driver was driving, and then proceeding to allege that he was quite definitely speeding, you have, whether unintentionally or not, implicated the aforementioned driver of the RX-7. By doing so, without shifting your focus of the person in mention, all your following statements will be quite reasonably regarded as in reference to the victim.
Continuing on with your speculation that he had been speeding, you pressed on to call him a "nusciance" ( "nuisance" ). Furthermore, you introduced the idea of racing, which was clearly never brought up by anyone but you, despite your admittance of making comments based on what the other readers "have read". This, obviously, was only surfaced by yourself and is a clear indication that you have attempted to draw a connection between speeding and racing as the cause of the accident.
Ending that, you declared that there is "no need for condolence" if you died racing. It is, quite explicitly shown, that you had concluded he was racing and therefore need no condolence.
Two days after that, on page 3, you finally declare your "deepest condolence" to his family, and now even try to uphold your despicable show of righteousness by claiming to have apologised, while it is evidently absent. Such an act, as to express one's condolences, is clearly incongruent in comparison to one who is truly sympathetic with the victim's family and friends. It is disgusting and abusive, and most definitely not one of an easily
forgettable action.
Quote from page 3:ok...then thats really good
Yes,feel sad that life have been lost and family have to pick the pieces
But note that the previous post are about speeding and nt directly posted about the driver..
thanks alot
Deepest condolence to the familyTo add
Now, again, you dare to perverse the facts which have been openly shown and claim that you have already apologised, when it is clearly lacking?
after hearing what his aquaintance had said
I've already apologise since he mentioned the driver wasnt speeding
There is really no hope for you. Let me make it clear. Even exceeding the speed limit by 1kmh is already considered speeding by law. Are you going to withdraw any sense of sympathy if the circumstances were so? You apologise now or I will continue to make you face your own embarrassing bullsh1t.
Refer to the example of the apology above. I expect no less.