LKY is not only in self-denial, but also not humble.
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President Wee Kim Wee says 'If you were to remove the president from my name, I would be just like any ordinary person, like a taxi driver...'
PM Abdullah says 'Government Leaders should take citizen's curse as a form of blessing. They should not be arrogant and always think they are right, they should listen to the people.'
BUT LKY SAYS:
Between being loved and being feared, I have always believed Machiavelli was right. If nobody is afraid of me, IÂ’m meaningless." (Lee Kuan Yew, 1998, The Singapore Story)
"If I were in authority in Singapore indefinitely without having to ask those who are governed whether they like what is being done, then I would not have the slightest doubt that I could govern much more effectively in their interests." - Mr Lee Kuan Yew, 1962
"I ignore polling as a method of government. I think that shows a certain weakness of mind - an inability to chart a course whichever way the wind blows, whichever way the media encourages the people to go, you follow. You are not a leader." - Mr Lee Kuan Yew, Success Stories, 2002 -
i guess for what he has done he earned the right!!!
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hey caramon get a life la.if w/o LKY singapore wouldn't be wad it is today?
have at least some respect for those pple who have paved the paths for the future generations ...
and lastly hu are u to comment on them?
dey can accomplished much and bigger things den u. -
anyway lky not the only one. his buddy caramon is in self-denial also
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haf respect for LYK la.
he's reallie someone worth looking up too. -
you are giving caramon too much credit by comparing him to LKY!!Originally posted by crazy monkey:anyway lky not the only one. his buddy caramon is in self-denial also -
It was well after the 1994 million-dollar upward pay revision for ministers, Lee Kuan Yew, son Lee Hsien Loong, their extended family members and cronies, including a high court judge showed their avaricious greed in the purchase of luxury condominiums from Hotel Properties Ltd (HPL).Originally posted by dragg:i guess for what he has done he earned the right!!!
The condos were grabbed at greatly discounted prices by extended Lee family members and their associates through Lee Kuan YewÂ’s brother Lee Suan Yew, a director of HPL at the material time. Though Suan Yew was in total violation of stock exchange rules and regulations he was allowed to quietly resign from the company while others in similar but unrelated cases were severely punished by Lee Kuan YewÂ’s kangaroo court headed by his judicial crony Yong Pung How, a Malaysian political refugee.
Is that a corruption?
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Caramon likes to say everyone else in the world is in self-denial except for himself
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it is not up to me to decide if anyone is guilty!!Originally posted by caramon:It was well after the 1994 million-dollar upward pay revision for ministers, Lee Kuan Yew, son Lee Hsien Loong, their extended family members and cronies, including a high court judge showed their avaricious greed in the purchase of luxury condominiums from Hotel Properties Ltd (HPL).
The condos were grabbed at greatly discounted prices by extended Lee family members and their associates through Lee Kuan YewÂ’s brother Lee Suan Yew, a director of HPL at the material time. Though Suan Yew was in total violation of stock exchange rules and regulations he was allowed to quietly resign from the company while others in similar but unrelated cases were severely punished by Lee Kuan YewÂ’s kangaroo court headed by his judicial crony Yong Pung How, a Malaysian political refugee.
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Dear, are you coming over for dinner?Originally posted by elindra:Caramon likes to say everyone else in the world is in self-denial except for himself 
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Then its up to you to think if you are in self-denial, when the prove and evidence is there for you to see..Originally posted by dragg:it is not up to me to decide if anyone is guilty!!
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hey loser caramon.jus sit down and shut up la.
if u haf the guts post ur no.ass. -
Warning.
Never talk abut LKY to taxi drivers. You will get heated arguments from them. -
Why leh?Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Warning.
Never talk abut LKY to taxi drivers. You will get heated arguments from them. -
ya just type "caramon" in the search box on ur leftOriginally posted by caramon:Then its up to you to think if you are in self-denial, when the prove and evidence is there for you to see.. -
Caramon back in self-denial modeOriginally posted by caramon:Dear, are you coming over for dinner? -
Take a cab and talk to the driver about LKY.Originally posted by caramon:Why leh?
Seat back and try to relax. -
Wicked..may I have some popcorn too?Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Take a cab and talk to the driver about LKY.
Seat back and try to relax.
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shut up la caramon.u're fcuking irritating ya noe.
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where is the love???
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Can u do better if u were LKY?? U do not know how hard it is to make everyone listen to u as there are people ready to take advantage if u are soft so he has to have this method but at least its better than communist methods right?Originally posted by caramon:President Wee Kim Wee says 'If you were to remove the president from my name, I would be just like any ordinary person, like a taxi driver...'
PM Abdullah says 'Government Leaders should take citizen's curse as a form of blessing. They should not be arrogant and always think they are right, they should listen to the people.'
BUT LKY SAYS:
Between being loved and being feared, I have always believed Machiavelli was right. If nobody is afraid of me, IÂ’m meaningless." (Lee Kuan Yew, 1998, The Singapore Story)
"If I were in authority in Singapore indefinitely without having to ask those who are governed whether they like what is being done, then I would not have the slightest doubt that I could govern much more effectively in their interests." - Mr Lee Kuan Yew, 1962
"I ignore polling as a method of government. I think that shows a certain weakness of mind - an inability to chart a course whichever way the wind blows, whichever way the media encourages the people to go, you follow. You are not a leader." - Mr Lee Kuan Yew, Success Stories, 2002 -
So in your own context, what is communist methods? Rather, are we a democracy state? This can be seen in the casino issue, you as a peasant, just obey.. right or wrong, moral or no moral is not for us, peasants to decide..Originally posted by StarPuppy:Can u do better if u were LKY?? U do not know how hard it is to make everyone listen to u as there are people ready to take advantage if u are soft so he has to have this method but at least its better than communist methods right?
<< The message sent from the Singapore's PAP Government to its citizens during the casino issue is that, we the former are giving you people of Singapore both the freedom and right to vote, view your opnions and speak out your minds on different issues here concerning the nation and the people..
HOWEVER, we the PAP government are the BEST and the FIRST in the world and we do know what is the best for you people, so whatever you people say yes or no, it doesn't matter and nothing will change our policies, therefore you people can say whatever you want, but we the PAP will do whatever we want!! >> -
tell me which democratic country let their citizens make decisions on policies?Originally posted by caramon:So in your own context, what is communist methods? Rather, are we a democracy state? This can be seen in the casino issue, you as a peasant, just obey.. right or wrong, moral or no moral is not for us, peasants to decide..
<< The message sent from the Singapore's PAP Government to its citizens during the casino issue is that, we the former are giving you people of Singapore both the freedom and right to vote, view your opnions and speak out your minds on different issues here concerning the nation and the people..
HOWEVER, we the PAP government are the BEST and the FIRST in the world and we do know what is the best for you people, so whatever you people say yes or no, it doesn't matter and nothing will change our policies, therefore you people can say whatever you want, but we the PAP will do whatever we want!! >> -
Actually, some people asked for the PAP to be in government. Residents in opposition contested areas voted the PAP candidates to be their MP. It was a pity that I can't contribute to the right cause in the previous election which my constituency has a clean walk over.Originally posted by caramon:So in your own context, what is communist methods? Rather, are we a democracy state? This can be seen in the casino issue, you as a peasant, just obey.. right or wrong, moral or no moral is not for us, peasants to decide..
<< The message sent from the Singapore's PAP Government to its citizens during the casino issue is that, we the former are giving you people of Singapore both the freedom and right to vote, view your opnions and speak out your minds on different issues here concerning the nation and the people..
HOWEVER, we the PAP government are the BEST and the FIRST in the world and we do know what is the best for you people, so whatever you people say yes or no, it doesn't matter and nothing will change our policies, therefore you people can say whatever you want, but we the PAP will do whatever we want!! >> -
The General Elections are conducted with unfair rules, uneven playing field, and lawsuits. What is the purpose of all these?Originally posted by Cindyfeh:Actually, some people asked for the PAP to be in government. Residents in opposition contested areas voted the PAP candidates to be their MP. It was a pity that I can't contribute to the right cause in the previous election which my constituency has a clean walk over.
The lawsuits can hit any contesting candidate, depending on who the sniper wants, and occurs in the last few elections - and few people are willing to stand for GE contests which explains the massive walkovers.
The unfair rules, the defamation lawsuits, the biased public media reporting, the little exposure given to opposition in printed and broadcast media, the restrictions on opposition rallies, denial of police permits for campaigning, the sudden changes to electoral boundaries, etc, works in favor of the ruling party and resulting in landslide wins for them.
There is also the Elections Commission whose members are appointed by the SG government dominated by the PAP, and they are the only authority to audit the elections process. How honest are they? Lastly, in the event that opposition candidates managed to win a few seats, they can be expelled via lawsuits and disqualified from Parliament.
The opposition parties made no headway in the last 10 years. More citizens are unable to vote due to walkovers. The voices of the people had been silenced, their woes unrepresented, and their interests neglected, their hard earned savings taken away - by a Parliament which is supposed to represent them, but didn't.
The present elections system is no longer a means for the people to choose their own govt, which even without the citizens casting a single vote, the ruling PAP party will have enough walkovers to form the next government.