Why God and Jesus are asterixed in some posts?
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INTERESTING...Originally posted by Devil1976:[QUOTE]Originally posted by pulse:
[b]Hi there,
What an interesting thread of discussion this is. So far, there's been views from Buddhism, Taoism and Christianity. So let me contribute the Islamic perspective.
The Quran, which incidentally enough is the Quranic scriptures, mentions that the meaning of the word Islam is peace. It's a literal translation that's reiterated by this verse in the Quran.
"Religion with God means a commitment to peace. [The Quran, 3:19]
In this vein, Islam, or peace, was the first thing that God imparted to men. Islam, hence, is not a particular faith, but the theme of all of the world's religions. Whichever faith you delve into, you'll find elements of peace, or Islam, in it.
The Quran explains the situation quite succiently.
"And verily, We have sent among every nation a Messenger (proclaiming): 'Worship God (Alone), and avoid all false deities.' Then of them were some whom God guided and of them were some upon whom the straying was justified" (Quran 16:36)
Hence, all religions belong to God, and preach the most essential message of peace.
In Islam, there is a beautiful concept that is called fitrah.
"Then set your face upright for religion in the right state-- the nature made by Allah in which He has made men; there is no altering of Allah's creation; that is the right religion, but most people do not know." (Quran 30:30)
Fitrah refers to the nature of man that God has ordained for all mankind. All men were created pure monotheists, but his upbringing and the surroundings push him towards other creeds, other forms of religious expression. It is man who has gone about twisting the numerous revelations that God sent to us.
"How can you say, 'We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us'? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie." (NIV Bible, Jeremiah 8:
Fitrah manifests itself when a baby reaches out for his mother's teat for milk; that is a sign of the fitrah working where intelligence has yet to be nurtured. When a human cries out for a god in times of dire peril; that is the person's fitrah reaching out towards the Creator. When the study of genetics established the fact that all animal, plant and human life share the same genetic language of A (adenine), T (thymine), C (cytosine) and G (guanine), we know that the Creator is One who had established One blueprint for life. Fitrah is all of these and much, much more.
Well, anyway, this is my 2 cents worth...hope I fulfilled FireIce's expectations of not posting something that's gonna run for at least ten thousand pages.
May I know if you're a busy man? I would like to get your e-mail address from you and stay in contact if possible? Would like to learn more about Islam.... Hmm... I love the way ya see things objectively and your approach for such subject till now... (Probably because you post very little? [/B][/QUOTE]
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ya hor. this pulse bery interesting hor. did u guys go to the site i pointed out where the afghans and the middle east ppl discuss this tyope of subjects. there are many enlightened discussions like what pulse did. but of cos got equal share of flammings when don't agree. www.afghan-web.com click on "Forums".
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friends, of course not a problem, i neber come here to make enemies... anyway it is okie to say anything about your faith, but to move my heart back into your world, it is difficult as if i will to pull you out of your world. Kyo may be aggressive, but i think everyone has his own temper and views, maybe he just like to post his stuffs this way... nobody can judge a person by the cover, or by some comments he made, maybe he is a damn good guy, or maybe im a criminal, who knows...Originally posted by HitSquad:my dear jedi-knight obiwan,
that is exactly it. how can true religion be only what u like?
how can u paint God in the way u like Him to be?
the answer is no, u cannot.
then it wouldn't be the True God.
like it or not, Jesus is the Son of the One and Only God.
ever think abt it? the whole world hates Christianity more than Islam, or any other religion. Why?
becos, we SO insist that we r right n anything else is wrong.
we cannot shuddup. i'm sorry.
becos we love u n the rest of this world, we cannot shuddup.
u can continue to da and ma wo men, but we cannot shuddup. what we have to say is true, we say u r wrong, not becos we hate u, but becos we want the best for u. we want u to know the real God.
n know this, that He made u in His image.
u cannot make Him in ur image (or the way u like Him to be).
that would be nothing but an idol.
the True God, does not take to being shaped into ur liking.
He is zhen chai shi liao.
i like u, u rn't as aggressive n rude as someone else here.
can we be friends?
Please go ahead and witness, no problem and shout your good news to the world... if your god has given you this task, by all means. I have think about it why ppl hate christian, the reason is as what you said. But there are also ppl who is netural and never bother about religion, ppl like me. I believe ppl lead by examples and by words and actions.
As for me, i never make god into my liking nor did i idol one too. you can say what i believe is wrong, but i myself know i am right, just as you believe you are right.
To you, maybe in this life you will neber understand what i learn from deep mediation, and it is difficult to explain it to you since it has to be experience by oneself.
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There are at least a dozen religions out there that can boast the same "evidences" of Buddhism, Christianity or Islam: holy scriptures, saviours, "witnesses", etc etc. There is no way to prove whether these "evidences" are true. So why put down other religions when you cannot prove your own?
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Do you know why a lot of people hate christians and manchester united fans? because they have one thing in common: ARROGANCE.
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on the last day of this world (if it comes while u r still alive) or when u r dead, u will know that i am right and regret that u did not listen to the gospel of Jesus Christ.Originally posted by Wes Brown:Do you know why a lot of people hate christians and manchester united fans? because they have one thing in common: ARROGANCE.
by the way, 'gospel' means 'good news'
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God made this world with laws, such as that of gravity, the disobedience of which will lead to serious consequences. Similarly He made the world with moral/spiritual laws as well, such as that the disobedience of which will prove eternally costly. Therefore, let the God who so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten son, Jesus Christ, heal your hurts in the way that He knows best. While it may not be in your ways, trust that He who made you and I, knows the best way, His way. Have a blessed day! -
Then so be it.
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Well...there are people that have seen the things abt Buddha..its just that it is written in scriptures and Buddhist readings..that most ignored it...well..look at the story of Damo..remember abt the shadow that he has imprinted on the walls of the cave...well..if i am not wrong..the shadow is still there...so..what does that mean??Originally posted by HitSquad:well doom, wherever buddha went. nobody saw it. but 40-50000 saw Jesus resurrected after He died on the cross.
as for sai baba, he never walked on water nor calmed the storms. and if u ask him to die, i dont think he dares, becos he doesnt know if he can come back.
and for the sai baba's case...you are right..neither did he calm the storm nor did he walk the sea..but then...what makes you so sure that Christ did??i am not trying to doubt the bible..or to question things written in the bible..but remember..what that are written in the bible..are all incidents that men has written down and handed down generations after generations..its just like a history text..without anyone verifying the contents of it...imagine...twenty years donw the road..when sai baba passed away...then his believers will start to write stories of him..and after generations of handing and passing down..whatever he said will become a religion..and that events that did not occur might just be added in...i'm sure that you agree with me that bibles nowadays are not really the true contents as it was generations back..coz you should also know that some contents will be altered..if you feel offended..i apologoze...i dun mean to insult anyone here or offend anyone...
you are right...he is afraid to die..but who isn't??no-one knows what it is like after death..will there be life after death??or will you just vanish in the face of the earth..well..as i have mentioned before..every religion has its own endings and its own starting...so whatever it is...its really up to the believers...
With regards to your previous postings abt those that do not know abt the good news will be judges differently...but then..with the way that some..and i mean only some...not all christians are doing it..they are just trying to push more people to hell by the way that they are spreading the news...and i really mean those very persistant once who does not have respect to other religions...imagine i was approached by these 3 chrstians in my home..and infront of my home's religious altar..they are preaching the gospel to me..i mean..how absurb can these people get and some even going to the extend of insulting the other religions of praying to mud idols and statues..well...if they want people to respect christianity..in the first place..these people should learn to respect the other religions...i must say again..please do not feel offended..sorry... -
1) let me clarify, there was NO original bible. what we have now is the canon. and its the inspired word of God, which doesnt mean it has no spelling mistakes, becos God who is loving did not have the writers as robots, copying every word He said, but expressing the general meaning with their own literary flair. now if u understand literature, u will know that literary flair doesnt affect the textual meaning in any way.Originally posted by Doom:[QUOTE]i'm sure that you agree with me that bibles nowadays are not really the true contents as it was generations back..coz you should also know that some contents will be altered..if you feel offended..i apologoze...i dun mean to insult anyone here or offend anyone...
you are right...he is afraid to die..but who isn't??no-one knows what it is like after death..will there be life after death??or will you just vanish in the face of the earth..well..as i have mentioned before..every religion has its own endings and its own starting...so whatever it is...its really up to the believers...
..and i mean only some...not all christians are doing it..they are just trying to push more people to hell by the way that they are spreading the news...and i really mean those very persistant once who does not have respect to other religions...imagine i was approached by these 3 chrstians in my home..and infront of my home's religious altar..they are preaching the gospel to me..i mean..how absurb can these people get and some even going to the extend of insulting the other religions of praying to mud idols and statues..well...if they want people to respect christianity..in the first place..these people should learn to respect the other religions...i must say again..please do not feel offended..sorry...
the Bible while with spelling errors here and there, is in a way, inerroneous. and even more so than the Pope. meaning that it is not wrong. don't believe it? well when the end of the world comes, all will be clarified. hope u clarify it sooner though, cos it might be a little too late then.
2) i know that Jesus wasnt afraid to die for u. sai baba is not Jesus.
3)well, trust me, Christians who dont evangelize to u, just dont give a shit abt u. well, those who r like me, well, we're more free and more determined. n no matter how irritating u find us, and even considering us 'insulting' to preach in front of ur home altar, then i'm sorry, but we hv to do it, becos we dont wanna see u burn.
its all abt love, crazy though it may sound. love for u.
anywayz, if we were to show reverence to ur altar, then we might as well not worship God, becos we shud worship God only, and only Him shall we serve.
we r not afraid of ur altar. it has no powers, i am sorry to say.
i realize i am very blunt. but i really wanna speak my mind here.
so many fellas been launching into vulgarities abt us here, at both me n rapture, that i think its time i gave the truth to u pple without any 'icing'. just the plain hard facts.
think abt it this way. the sunrise every morning is beautiful.
well, God could hv just made a plain old boring sunrise to get the function of warmth and photosynthesis to start kicking off in the early morning.
But no. He chose to call forth and paint a beautiful sunrise each morning for u.
Why? Because He gives a shit. hv a nice day pal.sorry, but shit is not a vulgarity. look it up in the dictionary.
Thank u.
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God made this world with laws, such as that of gravity, the disobedience of which will lead to serious consequences. Similarly He made the world with moral/spiritual laws as well, such as that the disobedience of which will prove eternally costly. Therefore, let the God who so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten son, Jesus Christ, heal your hurts in the way that He knows best. While it may not be in your ways, trust that He who made you and I, knows the best way, His way. Have a blessed day! -
I will die knowing that I have made the right choice by not believing in Jesus the false god. What makes you think that the god personifies himself in Israel to save the world. Why does he not appear in China instead? Please lah, Christianity is a Jewish religion, just like Islam is an Arabic religion and Taoism is a Chinese religion.
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sorry to disappoint u, but adam and eve were not jewish. neither were noah or abraham (initially for the latter) ...Originally posted by Wes Brown:I will die knowing that I have made the right choice by not believing in Jesus the false god. What makes you think that the god personifies himself in Israel to save the world. Why does he not appear in China instead? Please lah, Christianity is a Jewish religion, just like Islam is an Arabic religion and Taoism is a Chinese religion.
Sorry, Christianity is THE world, and universe's religion.
And u r wrong, Jesus didn't just appear to and in Israel. He appeared to Caesar Augustus, the Roman governor, to Pontius Pilate, another Roman and countless non-Jews as well.
hmmm. there is but one religion, wes brown.
And that is faith in Jesus Christ.
Amen!
think abt why u find me so irritating, and why u dont find osama half as irritating (imagine even if he were here).
why?
the reason is not me. but the things i talk abt that irritate u.
ur sinful soul is reacting to Jesus, and His Gospel!
its ok, it was like that for me at first too, until i accepted His Grace, then i saw what a joy it was to live in the forgiveness of God!
AMEN!
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God made this world with laws, such as that of gravity, the disobedience of which will lead to serious consequences. Similarly He made the world with moral/spiritual laws as well, such as that the disobedience of which will prove eternally costly. Therefore, let the God who so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten son, Jesus Christ, heal your hurts in the way that He knows best. While it may not be in your ways, trust that He who made you and I, knows the best way, His way. Have a blessed day! -
I am indeed irritated, but not by your religion. It's your ARROGANCE that pissed everyone totally off. Why would I be irritated by something that I know is not true.
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arrogance? hmmm. in that i know that God is right?Originally posted by Wes Brown:I am indeed irritated, but not by your religion. It's your ARROGANCE that pissed everyone totally off. Why would I be irritated by something that I know is not true.
then let it be the arrogance of God then, not mine.
becos He is also very sure He is right.
if we r right, why cant we be a little more xiao zhang?
u rnt sure thats why u find our confidence unacceptable.
im hving fun seeing u this angry. r u happy? ni kuai le ma?
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God made this world with laws, such as that of gravity, the disobedience of which will lead to serious consequences. Similarly He made the world with moral/spiritual laws as well, such as that the disobedience of which will prove eternally costly. Therefore, let the God who so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten son, Jesus Christ, heal your hurts in the way that He knows best. While it may not be in your ways, trust that He who made you and I, knows the best way, His way. Have a blessed day! -
Your arrogance is not due to the fact that you know you are right, but because you insist that you are right. The government is promoting religious harmony and here you are, trying to irritate everyone. I wonder if the ISD has done wrongly by detaining the muslim extremist and not you.
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Well...so far..i have been trying to be as objective and as tactful with my words as possible..and if thats the case..then let me ask you.,..when is the end of the world as said in the bible?? some biblic Scholars decifered it to be yr 2000..but what happen??we are still here typing to each other over the internet...Originally posted by HitSquad:1) let me clarify, there was NO original bible. what we have now is the canon. and its the inspired word of God, which doesnt mean it has no spelling mistakes, becos God who is loving did not have the writers as robots, copying every word He said, but expressing the general meaning with their own literary flair. now if u understand literature, u will know that literary flair doesnt affect the textual meaning in any way.
the Bible while with spelling errors here and there, is in a way, inerroneous. and even more so than the Pope. meaning that it is not wrong. don't believe it? well when the end of the world comes, all will be clarified. hope u clarify it sooner though, cos it might be a little too late then.
2) i know that Jesus wasnt afraid to die for u. sai baba is not Jesus.
3)well, trust me, Christians who dont evangelize to u, just dont give a shit abt u. well, those who r like me, well, we're more free and more determined. n no matter how irritating u find us, and even considering us 'insulting' to preach in front of ur home altar, then i'm sorry, but we hv to do it, becos we dont wanna see u burn.
its all abt love, crazy though it may sound. love for u.
anywayz, if we were to show reverence to ur altar, then we might as well not worship God, becos we shud worship God only, and only Him shall we serve.
we r not afraid of ur altar. it has no powers, i am sorry to say.
i realize i am very blunt. but i really wanna speak my mind here.
so many fellas been launching into vulgarities abt us here, at both me n rapture, that i think its time i gave the truth to u pple without any 'icing'. just the plain hard facts.
think abt it this way. the sunrise every morning is beautiful.
well, God could hv just made a plain old boring sunrise to get the function of warmth and photosynthesis to start kicking off in the early morning.
But no. He chose to call forth and paint a beautiful sunrise each morning for u.
Why? Because He gives a shit. hv a nice day pal.sorry, but shit is not a vulgarity. look it up in the dictionary.
Thank u.
how about the marking on the forehead??
the bible has said..that those with the marking will be dammed into hell..and those that accept food from these people will be dammed as well...so how are those believers going to survive??base on their believes alone??
you are right...the answer to these questions will come at the end of the world..so let me ask you...which event will be faster according to the bible??the end of the world or the usage of the markings on the forehead??
Well..for one thing...if you think that i am trying to launch vulgarities onto you and rapture.,.then sorry pal..you are totally wrong..the postings that i am puting up here..is just my discussions..yes..it may not sound nice...but then...thats what discussions are for...
there is no one in this world that can prove that whatever we said or whatever you said is truth..what i am trying to say..everyone has the right to believe in whatever he believes...let me ask you something.,..would you..and all other christians feel offended if some monks were to go to your house and begin to preach the teachings of Budddha??i would think so...in any case..what i mean..is not that you are afraid of its powers or things like that..but more of a respect for its believers...y do those christians not learn to respect other religions..there is nothing wrong if they want to spread the good news...in the streets..in churches..in meetings and lots of other places..but..what i am trying to put across..maybe out of the point..but...shouldn't they consider the believes of the rest...yes..the religion of christianity tells that there is one and only one god...and it is a sin to believe in the rest....
Whatever it is...you have found your god...and thats good for you...and please..i am not trying to insult/degrade/defame or critize your religion.... -
Originally posted by Wes Brown:Your arrogance is not due to the fact that you know you are right, but because you insist that you are right. The government is promoting religious harmony and here you are, trying to irritate everyone. I wonder if the ISD has done wrongly by detaining the muslim extremist and not you.
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God made this world with laws, such as that of gravity, the disobedience of which will lead to serious consequences. Similarly He made the world with moral/spiritual laws as well, such as that the disobedience of which will prove eternally costly. Therefore, let the God who so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten son, Jesus Christ, heal your hurts in the way that He knows best. While it may not be in your ways, trust that He who made you and I, knows the best way, His way. Have a blessed day! -
and if you think that i'm getting aggresive and rude..then i apologize for that...Originally posted by HitSquad:1) let me clarify, there was NO original bible. what we have now is the canon. and its the inspired word of God, which doesnt mean it has no spelling mistakes, becos God who is loving did not have the writers as robots, copying every word He said, but expressing the general meaning with their own literary flair. now if u understand literature, u will know that literary flair doesnt affect the textual meaning in any way.
the Bible while with spelling errors here and there, is in a way, inerroneous. and even more so than the Pope. meaning that it is not wrong. don't believe it? well when the end of the world comes, all will be clarified. hope u clarify it sooner though, cos it might be a little too late then.
2) i know that Jesus wasnt afraid to die for u. sai baba is not Jesus.
3)well, trust me, Christians who dont evangelize to u, just dont give a shit abt u. well, those who r like me, well, we're more free and more determined. n no matter how irritating u find us, and even considering us 'insulting' to preach in front of ur home altar, then i'm sorry, but we hv to do it, becos we dont wanna see u burn.
its all abt love, crazy though it may sound. love for u.
anywayz, if we were to show reverence to ur altar, then we might as well not worship God, becos we shud worship God only, and only Him shall we serve.
we r not afraid of ur altar. it has no powers, i am sorry to say.
i realize i am very blunt. but i really wanna speak my mind here.
so many fellas been launching into vulgarities abt us here, at both me n rapture, that i think its time i gave the truth to u pple without any 'icing'. just the plain hard facts.
think abt it this way. the sunrise every morning is beautiful.
well, God could hv just made a plain old boring sunrise to get the function of warmth and photosynthesis to start kicking off in the early morning.
But no. He chose to call forth and paint a beautiful sunrise each morning for u.
Why? Because He gives a shit. hv a nice day pal.sorry, but shit is not a vulgarity. look it up in the dictionary.
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Dun be So How Lian jus becos u posess a 10 inch dicky!!!Originally posted by Wes Brown:I am indeed irritated, but not by your religion. It's your ARROGANCE that pissed everyone totally off. Why would I be irritated by something that I know is not true. -
You are right, arrogance, but at the same time also ignorance and sturborn. his mind has already been "fixed" and "washed" entirely with his god. He will accept nothing except that. But still I am happy at least what I believe there are ppl who support me, so all my friends, in their words, we meet in hell... or is it paradise, who knows....
It is not about love for us that your ppl came to witness, the love i should said is for your own god more. As for the altar, indeed it has no power, since when we said it got powers, you have been a buddhist and taoist, who told you got powers...
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The sun rises not becos of your christian god, everything you do not know, please dun always said it is the work of your god, becos it is not the truth, bring me some proof and we can talk about it.
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Thats rite Obiwan..Originally posted by obiwan:You are right, arrogance, but at the same time also ignorance and sturborn. his mind has already been "fixed" and "washed" entirely with his god. He will accept nothing except that. But still I am happy at least what I believe there are ppl who support me, so all my friends, in their words, we meet in hell... or is it paradise, who knows....
It is not about love for us that your ppl came to witness, the love i should said is for your own god more. As for the altar, indeed it has no power, since when we said it got powers, you have been a buddhist and taoist, who told you got powers... it is just an altar for worship..just like what christians have altars in churchs...sometimes..really hope that respect can be given by the christians to other religions...there is no absolute right or wrong in religion...just do what your religion teaches you..... -
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SO ludicrious, quarrelling over something which lead to nothing. I guess you guys just love berating each other over such matters.. Sometimes i onli read the first few pages then give up liao cos the stuff is purely regurgitated. You people and your senless quotations, explanations, theories, self belief, 'me' and my 'religion' onli, dun believe at your own 'peril', take it at your risk attitude.
It is a bit senseless to talk about one's religion to santify or to glorify it among others. Nobody seeks to know what, which religion is the best. You believe what you want to believe, it is as simple as that. I learned that myself.
To those who wants to followers, it is fine by me, but PLEASE dun treat non-followers as people who are condemned to eternal hell blah blah blah..
Similarly, to those non-followers, dun bamblast those followers with scientific proof and wayward reasonning kekekeke (i admit i was one of those).
It is no fun talking about religion. It is worst with senseless merry go rounding/carousel style quarrelling..
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But..but..but.. they are concerned. You might burn in hell eternally, and within the confines of heaven gates, they will see it and wept.Originally posted by dotandcross:It is no fun talking about religion. It is worst with senseless merry go rounding/carousel style quarrelling.. -
But if all go to heaven I would be VERY LONELY after Judgement Day? <- Which day issit huh? I can't remember liao... Wish to note it down in my calendar...?Originally posted by Illegal Operation:But..but..but.. they are concerned. You might burn in hell eternally, and within the confines of heaven gates, they will see it and wept. -
Think my 'belief' is BETTER..? Don't even need what TEXT or STUPID SCRIPTs... WAHAHA... Whenever you HAPPY you just CURSE and SWEAR.... It's ALL in YOU!Originally posted by dotandcross:HMMM............................................................................................................................................................................. ... .................................................................................................................................................................................... .......................................................................................................................................
SO ludicrious, quarrelling over something which lead to nothing. I guess you guys just love berating each other over such matters.. Sometimes i onli read the first few pages then give up liao cos the stuff is purely regurgitated. You people and your senless quotations, explanations, theories, self belief, 'me' and my 'religion' onli, dun believe at your own 'peril', take it at your risk attitude.
It is a bit senseless to talk about one's religion to santify or to glorify it among others. Nobody seeks to know what, which religion is the best. You believe what you want to believe, it is as simple as that. I learned that myself.
To those who wants to followers, it is fine by me, but PLEASE dun treat non-followers as people who are condemned to eternal hell blah blah blah..
Similarly, to those non-followers, dun bamblast those followers with scientific proof and wayward reasonning kekekeke (i admit i was one of those).
It is no fun talking about religion. It is worst with senseless merry go rounding/carousel style quarrelling.. Don't even have to memorise ANYTHING... WHY can you do that...? Because our LORD loves you! So you are born NATURALLY with this 'special ability'....? -
You SURE..??! I WANNA SEE!!!Originally posted by RuthBaby:Dun be So How Lian jus becos u posess a 10 inch dicky!!! -
I LOVE YOUR SMILE!!!Originally posted by HitSquad: